SB700 vs SB750.....

A while back I upgraded my HTPC by shifting my Biostar TA770 to my HTPC with a inexpensive 4050e 45W dual core and I bought a ASUS M3A78 motherboard to replace the Biostar board. With the Biostar I could never get 3.2Ghz out of the 5000+ Black Edition, but after I moved the 5000+ Black Edition to the ASUS board I can get 3.2Ghz easy with just the change of the multiplier. In fact, if I add volts I can get 3.3-3.35 max out of the Black Edition now....but it gets too hot due to my cooling not being sufficient.

Now I know the SB700 doesn't support ACC, but it sure helps me overclock my chip better over my previous SB600. Overall, I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. I am gearing up for Deneb and was wondering if I should go with SB750 or stick with what I have. Overall, I have to upgrade because I am selling my wife's system and I am doing the ol' shifting of hardware deal. I can either keep what I have and buy cheaper hardware for her or do another upgrade for myself.

List of systems....
1. Q6600/Biostar mobo(Great room PC)
2. 5000+/ASUS mobo(Gaming Rig ...for now)-Opted to wait for Deneb instead of getting 9950.
3. 4060e/Biostar mobo(HTPC)
4. 4800X2/MSI mobo(Wifes system) Note: This is the one I am selling.

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Originally Posted by Throwed

Now I know the SB700 doesn't support ACC, but it sure helps me overclock my chip better over my previous SB600. Overall, I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. I am gearing up for Deneb and was wondering if I should go with SB750 or stick with what I have. Overall, I have to upgrade because I am selling my wife's system and I am doing the ol' shifting of hardware deal. I can either keep what I have and buy cheaper hardware for her or do another upgrade for myself.

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Here is a pic of my SB700 board with the 9950 in it....This was the highest I could get on that Board...for reference I have hit 280 Ht ref on the 4200+ Brisbane

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/9950/32bi....1_HTT_231.JPG

Now my SB750 board with the same Penom 9950, the verify link is in my sig..

http://3800z24.info/Phenom/9950/32bit/3.5ghz_9950.JPG

Dude, people like you make me spend. They ought to ban you!:mad: :rofl: I guess I will have to go SB750. The thing now is I need to find one that DON'T have on board video and only one PCI E slot. I am totally against using a board with onboard video. So I am open to any suggestions as long as it is a name brand board. Amy thoughts?

BTW, nice clocks man. :up::clap:

yeah im in the same dilemma..... but i have a SB600 and ive only really gotten 3.0ghz stable on my board...

i was looking at maybe getting a SB750 board around the holidays and i have my eye on some 790FX boards...



FOXCONN

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186149

ASUS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131339

even the DFI one looks nice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136057


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Originally Posted by Throwed

Dude, people like you make me spend. They ought to ban you!:mad: :rofl: I guess I will have to go SB750. The thing now is I need to find one that DON'T have on board video and only one PCI E slot. I am totally against using a board with onboard video. So I am open to any suggestions as long as it is a name brand board. Amy thoughts?

BTW, nice clocks man. :up::clap:

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LOL...oops.. I don't mean to make people spend money :p: Although just browsing the 9950 over clocking thread will make you do that;) Good luck with what you get. I just listed my 9950 140w on ebay..making room for Deneb ( wife made me sel it :rolleyes:)

Why not just wait for Deneb to be fully released rather than sttling for the current kit?

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

LOL...oops.. I don't mean to make people spend money :p: Although just browsing the 9950 over clocking thread will make you do that;) Good luck with what you get. I just listed my 9950 140w on ebay..making room for Deneb ( wife made me sel it :rolleyes:)

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Yeah, they should ban you. :D LOL Do you know of any boards that have the SB750 chipset without the darn on board video deal? Sorry your wife made you sell. My wife games just as hard as I. She was console only when we met. Now she only games on PC. :up: Overall, I am going to wait for Deneb, but need to buy a motherboard now.

BTW, the 9950 thread is sick. :shocked: I hate all those guys with 9950's in that thread. :mad:...Got me so jealous. Atleast I have my Q6600......but it's not as much fun as AMD. ;)

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Originally Posted by NidStyles

Why not just wait for Deneb to be fully released rather than sttling for the current kit?

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Because I am selling off hardware and don't like for my systems to be torn down in my house. Overall I can wait for the Deneb but need a motherboard now. I have a spare AM2+ I can toss in it until Deneb is released. Besides most AM2+ (SB750) boards will run Denebs without a hitch.

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Originally Posted by Throwed

......but it's not as much fun as AMD. ;)

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i agree :up::yepp::clap:

790FX boards with sb750, don't have onboard video.

ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX
Foxconn A79A-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX
DFI LP DK 790FXB-M2RSH AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX

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Originally Posted by Throwed

Yeah, they should ban you. :D LOL Do you know of any boards that have the SB750 chipset without the darn on board video deal? Sorry your wife made you sell. My wife games just as hard as I. She was console only when we met. Now she only games on PC. :up: Overall, I am going to wait for Deneb, but need to buy a motherboard now.

BTW, the 9950 thread is sick. :shocked: I hate all those guys with 9950's in that thread. :mad:...Got me so jealous. Atleast I have my Q6600......but it's not as much fun as AMD. ;)

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demonkevy has a list above for the non onboard video boards...
I have had a few Phenoms and My wife said if I want another..I need to sell it :rolleyes:. So far no one has bid on it.. but I did just lisy it.
I must say, the 9950 was a lot of fun...

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

790FX boards with sb750, don't have onboard video.

ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX
Foxconn A79A-S AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX
DFI LP DK 790FXB-M2RSH AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX

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The ASUs board is 188.99 at Newegg.
The Foxconn is 164.99.....and gets bad reviews too. Also not name brand.
The DFI board IS 174.99 at Newegg.

Overall, I always use simple/inexpensive boards. I want a non-Crossfire/non-SLI motherboard that don't have on board video. A board similar to my current ASUS M3A78, but with the SB750 chipset is something I would buy ASAP right now. It seems there aren't any that suit my needs/taste. I find this weird because ASUS usually have alot of choices to choose from. I think I may just have to buy one of the ones with onboard video....atleast I can sell it later. It's either that or wait for more board to be released.:shrug: All I want is single slot PCI E 2.0 and no onboard video. Maybe later ASUS will make a M4A79(non-delux) like they did with the M3A78 series.(*Crossing Fingers*)

AMD Gaming.....
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8317/123cf1.th.jpghttp://img379.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
AMD HTPC....(Only 1280X720p due to my Projector's native)
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5066/1234of2.th.jpghttp://img379.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Currently reformating the other so I can sell it.:yepp:

i just bought myself the asus m3a79-t. my dfi 790fx lan party dark just died on me. actually, i turned it on over the weekend and the south bridge got fried :(. it's about time for a new mobo anyway, but it was tough to shell out $200 during hard times. hopefully this asus board will be good. it'll be a new learning curve for me again. i've been search all weekend for bios tweaking on this asus board. anyone got good links for bios tweaking?

im thinking they will release a new boards with the release of deneb....meaning new am2+ versions...maybe i dunno

i hope this asus board will support deneb. i'm looking forward to deneb. i've been holding out on quad cores for a long time.

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Originally Posted by dng

i hope this asus board will support deneb. i'm looking forward to deneb. i've been holding out on quad cores for a long time.

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the am2+ denebs will work...(think there are 2 versions coming out, 2.8ghz and 3.0ghz....)

the later deneb versions will be am3

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

the am2+ denebs will work...(think there are 2 versions coming out, 2.8ghz and 3.0ghz....)

the later deneb versions will be am3

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Yeah, I want one of those!:up: Any word on these two Denebs being BE's? It's would be awesome if they were. :D

X2 :up:

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Originally Posted by lennyvee

X2 :up:

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X4:up:

I would just keep your current mobo,
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/screenshot/396425.png
AMD Phenom X4 9850 Black Edition
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition SP1 (Build 6001)
CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 4 Cores - 4 Threads
CPU PSN : AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core Processor
CPU EXT : MMX(+) 3DNow!(+) SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSE4A x86-64
CPUID : F.2.3 / Extended : 10.2
CPU Cache : L1 : 4 x 64 / 4 x 64 KB - L2 : 4 x 512 KB
CPU Cache : L3 : 2048 KB
Core : Agena (65 nm) / Stepping : DR-B3
Freq : 3500.87 MHz (200.05 * 17.5)
MB Brand : Biostar
MB Model : TA770 A2+
NB : ATI RD770 rev 00
SB : ATI SB600 rev 00
GPU1 Type : ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
GPU1 Clocks : Core 160 MHz / RAM 500 MHz
GPU2 Type : ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
DirectX Version : 10.0
RAM : 4096 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 400.1 MHz (1:2) @ 5-5-5-18
Slot 1 : 2048MB (PC2-6400)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : A-Data Technology
Slot 2 : 2048MB (PC2-6400)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : A-Data Technology
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=396425

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Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

I would just keep your current mobo,
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/screenshot/396425.png
AMD Phenom X4 9850 Black Edition
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition SP1 (Build 6001)
CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 4 Cores - 4 Threads
CPU PSN : AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-Core Processor
CPU EXT : MMX(+) 3DNow!(+) SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSE4A x86-64
CPUID : F.2.3 / Extended : 10.2
CPU Cache : L1 : 4 x 64 / 4 x 64 KB - L2 : 4 x 512 KB
CPU Cache : L3 : 2048 KB
Core : Agena (65 nm) / Stepping : DR-B3
Freq : 3500.87 MHz (200.05 * 17.5)
MB Brand : Biostar
MB Model : TA770 A2+
NB : ATI RD770 rev 00
SB : ATI SB600 rev 00
GPU1 Type : ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
GPU1 Clocks : Core 160 MHz / RAM 500 MHz
GPU2 Type : ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
DirectX Version : 10.0
RAM : 4096 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 400.1 MHz (1:2) @ 5-5-5-18
Slot 1 : 2048MB (PC2-6400)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : A-Data Technology
Slot 2 : 2048MB (PC2-6400)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : A-Data Technology
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=396425

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Damn man!:shocked: Nice Kick Azz Overclock you have there.:clap: What do you have for cooling?:eek2: I have that exact same board inside my HTPC. How in the heck did you get that 9850 to go so far? I am going to take your advice and keep this ASUS board. If it does OC a Deneb well then I will try it in the Biostar TA770 and see what it will do. Looking at SS like yours make me so stoked about AMD. My Credit Card is burning a hole in my pocket right now. I want to buy a Phenom now, but with Deneb so close I don't see the point in doing so........ but when I see SS like yours I start getting that itch. Again, great clock you have there.:up: :bravo:

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Originally Posted by Throwed

Damn man!:shocked: Nice Kick Azz Overclock you have there.:clap: What do you have for cooling?:eek2: I have that exact same board inside my HTPC. How in the heck did you get that 9850 to go so far? I am going to take your advice and keep this ASUS board. If it does OC a Deneb well then I will try it in the Biostar TA770 and see what it will do. Looking at SS like yours make me so stoked about AMD. My Credit Card is burning a hole in my pocket right now. I want to buy a Phenom now, but with Deneb so close I don't see the point in doing so........ but when I see SS like yours I start getting that itch. Again, great clock you have there.:up: :bravo:

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I used an XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 for cooling. Note his overclock is not at all stable.:D But another user of XS(gOtVoltage) got an oc similar to this stable on a TA 770 A2+, XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 .
http://67.90.82.13/forums/showthread.php?t=195614

Also I would use the Biostar instead of the asus because the power circuity on it looks a little better. Also if you are going to use a phenom with this board I STRONGLY recommend you actively cool the mosfets.

I would get these mosfet heatsinks, http://www.petrastechshop.com/enmomohekit.html , and get some small fans to go over them, http://www.petrastechshop.com/40scmcafan4c.html .

Also, I do not have this process and motherboard anymore, I really need to update my sig.

Here is some info about the TA 770 A2+ at the Rebels Haven,(aka Biostar Heaven:p:)
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;f=45;t=000006

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Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

I used an XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 for cooling. Note his overclock is not at all stable.:D But another user of XS(gOtVoltage) got an oc similar to this stable on a TA 770 A2+, XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 .
http://67.90.82.13/forums/showthread.php?t=195614

Also I would use the Biostar instead of the asus because the power circuity on it looks a little better. Also if you are going to use a phenom with this board I STRONGLY recommend you actively cool the mosfets.

I would get these mosfet heatsinks, http://www.petrastechshop.com/enmomohekit.html , and get some small fans to go over them, http://www.petrastechshop.com/40scmcafan4c.html .

Also, I do not have this process and motherboard anymore, I really need to update my sig.

Here is some info about the TA 770 A2+ at the Rebels Haven,(aka Biostar Heaven:p:)
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;f=45;t=000006

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Hmmm, that cooler looks nice. Is that "The Best" AM2 cooling solution ATM? I guess I spring some money on one of those while I wait for Denebs to be released. As far as the circuit comment.....I thought the ASUS was better. It officially supports 140W CPU's and has better Mosfets than the TA770. Both have the same 770NB, but the ASUS has the better 700SB. The ASUS has come nice capacitors and etc. on it too.

I was affraid to buy a 9850 when I was using the TA770 in my main gaming system due to it not officially not supporting the 9850's at first. NTM, a few guys claimed they burned there boards up with a 9850. In any case, I will give this link a look. That for the link BTW. :pimp:

Here is a detailed overview of my board...
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...09&modelmenu=1

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Originally Posted by Throwed

Hmmm, that cooler looks nice. Is that "The Best" AM2 cooling solution ATM? I guess I spring some money on one of those while I wait for Denebs to be released. As far as the circuit comment.....I thought the ASUS was better. It officially supports 140W CPU's and has better Mosfets than the TA770. Both have the same 770NB, but the ASUS has the better 700SB. The ASUS has come nice capacitors and etc. on it too.

I was affraid to buy a 9850 when I was using the TA770 in my main gaming system due to it not officially not supporting the 9850's at first. NTM, a few guys claimed they burned there boards up with a 9850. In any case, I will give this link a look. That for the link BTW. :pimp:

Here is a detailed overview of my board...
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...09&modelmenu=1

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Oh, when I did a image search on google, the first board that came up was this,
http://www.cpusolutions.com/mm800474...M3A78EMHHD.jpg:ROTF:

But just like the Biostar, I would recommend cooling the mosfets.

Also the TRUE is the best cpu cooler, http://www.petrastechshop.com/thulhecpucos.html , but the XIGMATEK is much cheaper and almost preforms as good as the TRUE,http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003 .
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...light=XIGMATEK

Also I would keep an eye out on in the Air Cooling sub-forum, because there is always something new coming out.

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Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

Oh, when I did a image search on google, the first board that came up was this,
But just like the Biostar, I would recommend cooling the mosfets.

Also the TRUE is the best cpu cooler, http://www.petrastechshop.com/thulhecpucos.html , but the XIGMATEK is much cheaper and almost preforms as good as the TRUE,http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003 .
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...light=XIGMATEK

Also I would keep an eye out on in the Air Cooling sub-forum, because there is always something new coming out.

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Yeah, that board is not that great. I have a few heatsinks left over from my GFX Chilla that I can throw on the mosfets, but to be honest they don't get hot. That may change when I go Quad, but for now the mosfets run cool. A tad luke warm while in operation, but this is only with a overclocked 5000+ BE. Will keep an eye out on the cooling boards, but after reading the reviews of the one you suggested I may just get that or get a cheaper Sunbeam cooler.:up:

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Originally Posted by Throwed

Damn man!:shocked: Nice Kick Azz Overclock you have there.:clap: What do you have for cooling?:eek2: I have that exact same board inside my HTPC. How in the heck did you get that 9850 to go so far? I am going to take your advice and keep this ASUS board. If it does OC a Deneb well then I will try it in the Biostar TA770 and see what it will do. Looking at SS like yours make me so stoked about AMD. My Credit Card is burning a hole in my pocket right now. I want to buy a Phenom now, but with Deneb so close I don't see the point in doing so........ but when I see SS like yours I start getting that itch. Again, great clock you have there.:up: :bravo:

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Get that credit card out Throwed....9850Be here also 3.6..look at Sig

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9...ch35tz0.th.pnghttp://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1...empseu9.th.pnghttp://img523.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

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Originally Posted by HondaGuy

Get that credit card out Throwed....9850Be here also 3.6..look at Sig

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9...ch35tz0.th.pnghttp://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1...empseu9.th.pnghttp://img523.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

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Nice processor:up:
Another Example of how much more the processor matters than the motherboard.

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Originally Posted by HondaGuy

Get that credit card out Throwed....9850Be here also 3.6..look at Sig

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9...ch35tz0.th.pnghttp://img171.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1...empseu9.th.pnghttp://img523.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

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Don;t rush out to get a 9850BE just yet...LOL...

Hondaguy, is one of the very, VERY rare CPU's that OC's as well as it does, the huge majority, myself included found that 9850BE's on SB600, would only get to about 2.8-2.9Ghz stable.....!!!

My 125W 9950BE gets to 3.1Ghz stable on the same mobo, with same config. (Cooling, BIOS settings etc).

It really does come down to the individual CPU at the end of the day, and HondaGuy has got himself an excellent (but VERY rare) 9850BE.

Have a look around various forums, and the majority of 9850BE's seem to top out at 2.9Ghz to 3.0Ghz when OC@d on a SB600 mobo, and gain another 200-300Mhz when put into a SB750 mobo.

My advice would be to stick to your orignal plan and save your cash for Deneb, which should be with us in about 8 weeks time... :D

:p: I think Hondaguy has a friend over at AMD

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

:p: I think Hondaguy has a friend over at AMD

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If you send some money to me I'll be your friend also, heck Id even send you back a sample CPU...:rofl:....

HAha...

You hit the lottery with that CPU, thats the best way of saying it I think, its just like buyig a lottery ticket in the hope that you have a winning ticket.

You might get lucky and get one that wins you $10 or might hit the jackpot and hit the $millions..... yours defintiely qualifies as a winning ticket, if not a 4Ghz+ jackpot winner, its definitely up in the higher prize money....LOL..!! :D:D:D

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HAha...

You hit the lottery with that CPU, thats the best way of saying it I think, its just like buyig a lottery ticket in the hope that you have a winning ticket.

You might get lucky and get one that wins you $10 or might hit the jackpot and hit the $millions..... yours defintiely qualifies as a winning ticket, if not a 4Ghz+ jackpot winner, its definitely up in the higher prize money....LOL..!! :D:D:D

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OK Who wants to buy my Phenom CPU?????? Any takers???

well I would...but I just sold mine to make room for Deneb...;) I am now Phenom less...I no longer have the 9600 BE, 9850 BE, or the 9950 140w BE...

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

well I would...but I just sold mine to make room for Deneb...;) I am now Phenom less...I no longer have the 9600 BE, 9850 BE, or the 9950 140w BE...

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I can ask my friend over at AMD to send you one.......

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Originally Posted by HondaGuy

I can ask my friend over at AMD to send you one.......

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Send me a Deneb too!:buddies:

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Originally Posted by HondaGuy

I can ask my friend over at AMD to send you one.......

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My new best friend :yepp: