PC-X2000 + HW Labs GTX 420 + RD30

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10-27-2008, 08:09 AM
b@llz0r

PC-X2000 + HW Labs GTX 420 + RD30

This is just a quick little build to watercool my HTPC.

No MDPC by any stretch... I just want to get it wet with a minimum amount of modding.

When I saw the X2000 I knew it had potential for LC. Then when HW Labs released the GTX 140 series I just had to do it.

Here is where I got up to tonight

first some rads

240, 140, 420, 480
http://lh6.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03196.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03190.JPG

Ill be using the 420 and 140 in this one

"what no sleving?!?!?" :rofl:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03179.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03205.JPG

Perfect fit
http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03207.JPG

Just had to move the HDDs towards the back about 25mm

mmmm dust filter.... this box has been in use for about 6 weeks on air
http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03210.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXk...0/DSC03215.JPG

....Im a dead man

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXl...0/DSC03218.JPG

better clean this up before she gets home :ROTF:
10-27-2008, 08:12 AM
luxbel

Hey guy, I was thinking of doing something similar to an x500. What's the clearance for that rad between the front panel and the MB tray? I was under the impression that I was going to be stuck using a thin radiator, but it looks like you're running "standard" thickness?
10-27-2008, 08:17 AM
b@llz0r

you might be able to fit a 280 down the front of an X500... They arent as deep tho so you might be a little cramped
10-27-2008, 08:21 AM
luxbel

The x500 uses 120mm fans upfront, compared to the 140mm on the x2000, but if it's not as deep, you're probably right on the money.
10-27-2008, 08:31 AM
b@llz0r

ahhh ok

http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upl...0/x500d05s.jpg http://images.google.com.au/url?q=ht...NXJijQPU8KTUYg
(pics not to scale :lol:)

Thats an ATX mobo in the X500 and an eATX in the X2000... no room in the 500 for a big rad... The front cover clips on and has a 35mm gap behind it... you could probably fit an mcr 240... possibly even a 360 with some modding
10-27-2008, 08:36 AM
luxbel

Cool beans, thanks for the heads up. So what are we cooling with this beast?
10-27-2008, 08:39 AM
b@llz0r

Q6600 with a fusion 2

2 8800 ultras with modded ek fc blocks (if i can sort out the irq conflicts with my other pci devices)

I might even throw that crappy S2E fusion block in the loop to see how it actally performs
10-28-2008, 04:28 PM
jtf2

....Im a dead man

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQXl...0/DSC03218.JPG

better clean this up before she gets home :ROTF:[/QUOTE]

man did i laugh when i saw this.
i have been through that a few times,with my wife away for the weekend!!
10-28-2008, 06:57 PM
RCG_Bex

Lol my bf came home and found the kitchen like this.... he wasn't amused but his mates lol'd n bailed me out :P

~Bex
10-29-2008, 05:18 AM
b@llz0r

Update!!!

Tried to fit the 140 rad.... I dont like it

http://lh3.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhe...0/DSC03222.JPG

Gota find something else to fill that gaping hole

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhe...0/DSC03235.JPG

A bit rough... my dremel jedi is not so strong

Some gromets should tidy things up a bit

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhe...0/DSC03236.JPG

Perfect fit

http://lh5.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhf...0/DSC03237.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhf...0/DSC03239.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhf...0/DSC03240.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhg...0/DSC03243.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/BWestworth/SQhg...0/DSC03245.JPG

Expecting a delivery of fittings tomorrow, or friday... hopefully it gets here before the weekend so i can get this running again
10-29-2008, 12:23 PM
ArNiC

Hi, I have a question for you, how do you mount the rad to the case? What bracket r u using to line up the screw hole, cuz I know the mounting hole on the case doesn't line up with the radiator, because my friend had the exacly same case and looking to get the 420 rad. Thanks.

I need as much info/detail as possible.:D
10-29-2008, 12:36 PM
dopestuff

thats one hell of a htpc!!
6 hdd's an iwaki a 420 rad as a htpc :eek:

nice going there man :up:

ps don's forget to keep the women happy eh (a kookie now and than should work) :rofl:
10-29-2008, 01:24 PM
HaCKs

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopestuff

thats one hell of a htpc!!
6 hdd's an iwaki a 420 rad as a htpc :eek:

nice going there man :up:

ps don's forget to keep the women happy eh (a kookie now and than should work) :rofl:

Cookie? No no no, a Cookie is more of a "How was your day" kinda present, if you destroy their living room with computer parts forcing them to watch tv in the bedroom, thats when you have to bust out chocolate.

BEAUTIFUL computer! I am loving the fact that a 420 fits up front perfectly! What modifications did you have to do to make it fit? Just move the HDD's?
10-29-2008, 01:53 PM
NaeKuh

i love the rads, however i dont think there are good fans out that can pair up with these fans.

Its true that as the fan gets larger, the CFM increases while noise decrease, however you have that fan ramed up against the rad.

Larger fans also mean larger deadspots in the middle, so your starving more area on that 420 then you did on that 480GTX. :T
10-29-2008, 01:57 PM
evil-98

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

i love the rads, however i dont think there are good fans out that can pair up with these fans.

Its true that as the fan gets larger, the CFM increases while noise decrease, however you have that fan ramed up against the rad.

Larger fans also mean larger deadspots in the middle, so your starving more area on that 420 then you did on that 480GTX. :T

i dont know man, i think the surface area is greater then the lost from the dead spot, + from the pictures and all the 140MM fans ive every seen they hub is pretty similar, especially with the higher CFM 120mm fans (kaze pana sanace etc)

ill agree with you when you say there might not be a fan good enough for those rads but i still think its worth a try.
10-29-2008, 01:57 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

140mm fan hubs are the same size as 120mm fan hubs
10-29-2008, 02:02 PM
evil-98

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

140mm fan hubs are the same size as 120mm fan hubs

not all 120mm hubs are the same size. so that not entirely true hence why i said similar size
10-29-2008, 04:05 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil-98

not all 120mm hubs are the same size. so that not entirely true hence why i said similar size

lol true, but I meant between lian-li 120 to 140. generally they are typically sized. if you look at the yate 120's and 140's you will also find the hub is the same size.
10-29-2008, 04:29 PM
b@llz0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

i love the rads, however i dont think there are good fans out that can pair up with these fans.

Its true that as the fan gets larger, the CFM increases while noise decrease, however you have that fan ramed up against the rad.

Larger fans also mean larger deadspots in the middle, so your starving more area on that 420 then you did on that 480GTX. :T

Im just using the stock case fans at the moment :down:

Im on the hunt for high speed 140mm yate loons if anyone knows where to find them
10-29-2008, 04:31 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by b@llz0r

Im just using the stock case fans at the moment :down:

Im on the hunt for high speed 140mm yate loons if anyone knows where to find them

Yate mfgr co. ....
10-29-2008, 04:32 PM
b@llz0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArNiC

Hi, I have a question for you, how do you mount the rad to the case? What bracket r u using to line up the screw hole, cuz I know the mounting hole on the case doesn't line up with the radiator, because my friend had the exacly same case and looking to get the 420 rad. Thanks.

I need as much info/detail as possible.:D

I fixed the rad to the front of the case with two screws, I had to drill the holes for these as none of the existing holes lined up.

I also had to cut out part of the floor above the hard drives and move the hard drives 25mm towards the back.

Ill post some pics of the mods tonight
10-30-2008, 09:45 PM
b@llz0r

Here are the mods to get the rad in

The floor needs to be cut to fit the rad.... the red shows how much was removed
Needed to drill out the pop rivets to remove the floor panel

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0102008060.jpg

Then to secure the rad I had to drill two holes as none of the existing ones lined up
To access these screws I had to cut off the metal tags
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0102008061.jpg
10-30-2008, 09:48 PM
Cool Vibrations

Woah, at first, I thought that red line was part of the fans. :lol:
10-31-2008, 07:16 AM
b@llz0r

Update

got the water on today :clap:

Blocks... haha I just noticed... Dtec Fusion :ROTF:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...1102008066.jpg

Plumbing
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...1102008067.jpg

First fill
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...1102008070.jpg

First leak
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...1102008071.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...1102008073.jpg

24h run tonight for leak checking... Then wiring

Movie
10-31-2008, 10:08 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

you should be using a GTZ or Supreme, your not getting any extra performance from the massive flow with that fuzionv2
10-31-2008, 03:05 PM
emuexport

Awesome work b@llz0r!!

watching this build!
10-31-2008, 06:41 PM
b@llz0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

you should be using a GTZ or Supreme, your not getting any extra performance from the massive flow with that fuzionv2

Yeah this loop is too low a restriction for the Iwaki... even on the lowest settings im getting a vortex. I had initially planned to use DDC pumps, but the build has kinda evolved.

Im thinking of making this my gaming rig which has a supreme.... the iwaki isnt really htpc friendly either :)
11-01-2008, 02:39 AM
b@llz0r

small update... Automatic Starter for the RD30

Thanks to the help of KaptnKrunch I have wired a simple relay so that the RD30 will start when the computer is powered up.

A 30A horn relay should do it :lol:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03254.JPG

Soldered in a diode on the 12V line... dont really know what this is for but KaptnKrunch said it would be a good idea
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03253.JPG

Soldered a molex connector onto the signal wires (crap soldering)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03258.JPG

Added a wire to run to the pump and a bit of sleving
Yellow goes to the meanwell, molex to the ATX PSU, Black to the Pump
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03262.JPG

jumped the ATX psu for testing (bridging green pin with any black) and it worked a treat... Lighting works too :D

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03266.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03270.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03271.JPG
11-01-2008, 02:45 AM
hmmisee

Nice work there.
One of my favorite cases, except in Australia it is around $500.
Is that just acrylic on the video card?
I cant wait to see the final product! :)
11-01-2008, 06:17 AM
septim

yeah UV blue acrylic...

b@llz0r i like that relay idea, nice!
11-01-2008, 06:54 AM
b@llz0r

cheers guys... uv blue acrylic looks nice, and will hopefully save my cards from the stray drop or two

The uv acrylic FC8800 mod (underside) isnt holding up to the RD30's pressure tho.... sometimes when I shut off the pump I get leakage.... this wont do.
11-01-2008, 06:57 AM
Kayin

Excellent work! Very well engineered...
11-01-2008, 07:07 AM
septim

where part leak?

i suggest you replace those skinny/tiny red o-rings with something a little beefier... they are really too thin... koolance should change them as they are cheap...

or just too strong is the word, and not enough restriction... maybe add another rad or 2...
11-02-2008, 03:59 AM
b@llz0r

UpDaTe

Made an anti vibration pad for the RD30 by cutting out a neoprene pad... sounds much better
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03289.JPG

Also painted the RD30 black today... blends in a lot better
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03272.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03287.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03288.JPG

Quote:

Originally Posted by septim

or just too strong is the word, and not enough restriction... maybe add another rad or 2...

I think your right... time to bring out the big guns
EK Supreme, NB and Mosfet blocks
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03274.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03280.JPG

Stealthy RD30
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03294.JPG

I was getting small bubbles sucked into the pump, so I put a piece of black coarse sponge down the bottom... no more bubbles, much quieter. As the sponge stopped anything getting sucked into the inlet I decided to bling up the res a bit by throwing in some uv blue 3 pin connectors and a uv led in the top hole.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03312.JPG

Looks sweet with the lights off

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...0/DSC03310.JPG

The added restriction was just what the doctor ordered... no more leaks.
ty septium :up:

Ill go ahead and install the rest of the cards tonight and hopefully we can watch a DVD... my g/f is really riding me to get the HTPC back :D
11-02-2008, 09:18 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by b@llz0r

my g/f is really riding me to get the HTPC back :D

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

If I were in your position I'd throw in a few more setbacks ;)
11-02-2008, 09:51 AM
breathemetal

hahaha @ sniipe
11-02-2008, 02:13 PM
b@llz0r

Fired it up last night, Q6600 stock settings, with water @ 26C everest is reporting core temps of 28-32 idle, under load water goes up to 29 core temps 38-48.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SQ...00/Everest.jpg

I tried cranking up the RD30 to 24V... wont do that again, vid card started leaking again and I even got a few drops from my NB block... I think it was about to blow the O ring!!! :D

I learnt one thing tho... water in and water out temp probes are a waste of time, im getting at most a 1c delta across the rad... I dont know what the accuracy of the temp probes are but im guessing probably about +/-1C at best :/
11-02-2008, 02:24 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

I believe 18v is the peak of performance/watt for the rd30 anyway...

dont fry that beautiful rig! :up:
11-03-2008, 09:39 AM
Dalle

nice looking build, however it doesnt like look you can fit an eatx board?
i was thinking of doing something similar when i get the case early next spring (it costs ~$560, so i need to save a bit of extra money first) when i get my new system (hopefully dual cpu)
11-03-2008, 10:49 AM
luxbel

Nice build, guy! hopefully i can do something similar when i get the x500. and i agree with you, you probably only need a single probe in the loop to see what the delta from water to air is, and that's it. kudos!
11-04-2008, 05:01 PM
b@llz0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by luxbel

Nice build, guy! hopefully i can do something similar when i get the x500. and i agree with you, you probably only need a single probe in the loop to see what the delta from water to air is, and that's it. kudos!

Yeah... that also means that loop order isnt important.

the way guys were talking about the importance of having your rad after your pump and the cpu after the rad I thought there must have been a large drop in temps across the radiator.

I now understand that the loop works as a complete system, the blocks gradually releasing heat into the loop and the radiator gradually taking it out.
11-04-2008, 07:54 PM
Harvestor

Nice Build, very clean
11-05-2008, 05:53 AM
b@llz0r

Before
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03342.JPG

After
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03351.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03354.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03355.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03356.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03365.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03360.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SR...0/DSC03361.JPG

ive removed the 8800 ultras until i can sort out the leaks... im getting some covers cut out of 316 stainless which should sort out the problem :up:
11-10-2008, 06:20 PM
gobby1

Damn!

Keep the pics and updates coming!!!!:clap:
11-11-2008, 08:36 AM
pcaddict

MOAAAAAAR!!! plz? :D

is that htpc? :shocked: nice work dude! :up:
12-01-2008, 05:08 AM
disruptfam

dude damn you!!!!

I wanted this case when it first came out and now i want it even more!!!

Excellent build!
12-02-2008, 05:54 AM
septim

hmm b@llzor did we ever tell you to rotate your supreme to the proper orientation... 90degs should do it...
12-04-2008, 06:09 AM
b@llz0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by septim

hmm b@llzor did we ever tell you to rotate your supreme to the proper orientation... 90degs should do it...

Yeah I found that thread ty septium
12-04-2008, 06:18 AM
b@llz0r

small update

Finishing touches

Installed one of the new koolance flowmeters
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/ST...0/DSC03474.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/ST...0/DSC03480.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/ST...0/DSC03495.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/ST...800/temps3.jpg

Im trying to install a window, but i think its defeated me
I bought some of this stuff from PPC but just cant get the damn acrylic in... surely theres gota be a trick to it but :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed if i know how to do it
I think part of my problem is ive cut a square hole, shoulda made it rounded
12-06-2008, 04:41 PM
mpower1001

Nice build Ballzor, what size tubing are you using?
12-06-2008, 06:26 PM
MomijiTMO

I just used the 3M command yadiyada strips to attach my window. If you wanted the window on the outside well then this method is some serious fail but looking at that u channel makes me think you didn't.
12-09-2008, 09:24 AM
HESmelaugh

Wow, this is one cool build.
Great work!
12-09-2008, 11:47 AM
exe163

Nice lighting, where did you get them?
12-09-2008, 01:11 PM
twwen2

Very nice work b@llz0r!

That RD30 is menacing in black.:cool:
12-09-2008, 01:39 PM
Polizei

I think you would save a lot of tubing if you went straight from the pump to the blocks, then from the blocks to the rad, then back to the reservoir. Running the tubing across to the radiator, then to the blocks, then up to the reservoir is a lot of extra tubing. Not that it matters with an Iwaki, but it might look cleaner.

Either way, nice rig. More videos! :)
12-09-2008, 02:45 PM
lotek

looks really good b@llz0r. :D
are you planning on sleeving the cables?
12-18-2008, 04:38 AM
b@llz0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpower1001

Nice build Ballzor, what size tubing are you using?

TY, tubing is Feser 3/8

Quote:

Originally Posted by exe163

Nice lighting, where did you get them?

30cm UV Cold Cathode tubes... you can get them pretty much anywhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polizei

I think you would save a lot of tubing if you went straight from the pump to the blocks, then from the blocks to the rad, then back to the reservoir. Running the tubing across to the radiator, then to the blocks, then up to the reservoir is a lot of extra tubing. Not that it matters with an Iwaki, but it might look cleaner.

Either way, nice rig. More videos! :)

Yeah good point... I routed the tubes when I was under the misconception that loop order was important and then never thought to change it.

Re piped it tonight, much better :up:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SU...0/DSC03558.JPG

Quote:

Originally Posted by lotek

looks really good b@llz0r. :D
are you planning on sleeving the cables?

Yeah thats the next phase... now that ive got the layout sorted.

It will have to wait till next year tho as im off on xmas holidays tonight

Ill leave you guys with this final pic for the year

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SU...0/DSC03545.JPG
12-18-2008, 06:25 AM
EnJoY

Moar Pics!!! Moar!!!
12-18-2008, 06:45 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnJoY

Moar Pics!!! Moar!!!

I dont think EnJoY is talking about the computer :hrhr::hrhr::hrhr:
12-18-2008, 09:23 AM
theorie

great project. one of the better ones ive seen in the worklog section. cheers!
12-18-2008, 04:15 PM
DaCrusader

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I dont think EnJoY is talking about the computer :hrhr::hrhr::hrhr:

I know i'm not!
:rofl:
12-18-2008, 04:21 PM
breathemetal

Forget the pc, I see a hot asian!
12-19-2008, 02:34 AM
oniL

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I dont think EnJoY is talking about the computer :hrhr::hrhr::hrhr:

:rocker: :D
12-19-2008, 06:16 AM
Salad Fingers

Quote:

Originally Posted by b@llz0r

Ill leave you guys with this final pic for the year

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SU...0/DSC03545.JPG

That's a nice flight of stairs.......

Have a good one - lucky your not at work at the moment.
That cyclone buzzing around up the top of WA there may put on a show.
12-19-2008, 07:19 AM
OdinEidolon

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I dont think EnJoY is talking about the computer :hrhr::hrhr::hrhr:

agreed :rofl:

PS: i'd like to have moar pics too... both of the computer and... :ROTF:
01-18-2009, 10:03 PM
-Acid-

really great computer build thread

what is score in 3dmark 06 ?
01-19-2009, 12:44 AM
Mark90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salad Fingers

That's a nice flight of stairs.......

If you follow the stairs carefully, you will see the double doors:D.
01-19-2009, 02:04 AM
alexjpn

nice works...
01-19-2009, 07:21 AM
mit78

hi

nice work!in the back of the case is pump and reservoir or?
01-19-2009, 03:58 PM
disruptfam

Great project looks alot cleaner not that you have re-routed the tubing.

Whats left in the project?
01-19-2009, 05:28 PM
corso13

Nice build man:up: the RD30 is just a Bomb :rocker:

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