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The Gigabyte EX-58 UD3 looks like an interesting board, right? How could one be best put to use? What about the P45-UD3, P45-UD3R and P45-UD3P? And let's keep this going--it's for the competition. We're crunchers and some of us are folders, so what's the best output possible for these all? :up: Discuss features, pricing, and everything about this board. From the color scheme to what you'd enjoy putting into one.
I would love to throw my e2140 in a ud3 board and see what kind of clocks I could get. Crunch at stock speeds sucks :down:
Be grateful you don't have to UNDERclock something just so it'll run. :(
I'd personally love one--my IP35-E has some issues, but I'm afraid that I'll still be limited to FSB406. My E2140 would work, but would be a horrible fit in any P45 board with potential.
I would love a new gigabyte board. This ECS that I have is unbearable.
The UD3's are clocking quads like mad.
I was just looking at that UD3 board in Fuggers' thread. Colors shouldn't matter to us but that blue really works, grabbed my attention and the board layout looks excellent.
My opinion of all the UD3 boards is excellent cooling and excellent power. Gigabyte's really pushing these boards hard--and they deserve it. They made, in my opinion, a near-perfect set of P45 boards with UD3. It really sets them apart from all the competition--no LOLLERCOASTER heatsinks. Color scheme is good for those that care (I don't mind but I also don't flaunt it) and layout is excellent for just about anything. Heck--I don't have a problem with the orange/"pink" slots really either, but I agree they could have used a different color. Anyways--if these are clocking quads very well, I am sure most of us would be happy to use them. Those older P35-DS3L's have been pretty common around here, but I have heard that many of them dealt with 24/7 Q6600 loads (3.6GHz was it?) for a few months but then died. With proper cooling and setup, these UD3 boards should do much better for our Q6___, Q8___, and Q9___ quads. And then with the X58--if Gigabyte did a good enough job, we should have an excellent board for the Core i7 920s including OC potential. I know that I'll get an i7 920 if this thread miraculously wins.
Loonym brought the UD3 boards to my attention a few days ago, before these competition announcements. They're great-looking motherboards and are certainly value-packed for the "every-man" builder and should be great for the cruncher as well.
I have a EP45-DS4P and the UD3P both are great boards, booted into windows at 515 x 9 on the EP45 DS4P with my Q9650 and run superpi. All auto settings in the bios but vcore and RAM set on 2.1v and 1:1 water cooling...
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5...pi10063ho2.jpg
That's a nice quad roadrunner :D
Oh dang--nice. How do the boards compare for top stability/lowest voltage stability?
EDIT: Nice overclock on the HD3870X2's as well. My HD3850 is at 760MHz core 999MHz memory.
RR we want numbers..... we know you got em....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Right when I get to the point where I have enough money to upgrade my 775 rig we have i7/x58/nehalem coming up quick. :p
Gigabyte boards are awesome, and for overclocking I have always gone to them for great products and I cant wait to see how the offerrings perform on i7. :D
I'm considering two different routes for this. One is if a board goes to the OP of this thread, I'll splurge and buy a Core i7 920 and 2-4GB DDR3 ASAP. If not, I'll save my money for a bit and just grab a Sammy, then save much more. The other is just save the money and grab Core i7 when it becomes available. I see these initial i920s like the E6600s of late 2006: they'll be fast and at least decent, and they should last you a good long time. If I can get 2 years out of a chip, I'll be a happy camper. I want to see the prices on these after they stabilize--I won't spend more than $400, period, on a 1P CPU.
Let me help you there ;)
I also like the UD3 series, or any P45 for that matter, because they'll finally allow to OC the hell out of those 45nm non-Extreme quadcores.
With any luck, I'll be getting a sample mobo for benching purposes. Gonna try 45nm quad as well as my Q6600 on that one, so we'll see what it's made of.
Only negative thing I heard so far is that S3 still doesn't work, which blows for mainrig usage, but doesn't matter to a dedicated cruncher of course.
I only wished there was more clearance around the CPU socket.. that is one tough mobo to insulate, unlike my DFI X38.
What are you using to insulate, jcool? I heard that the artist erasers--the pliable rubber ones--are the best choice and don't leave residue.
I just got my ud3 & e8400(4.1ghz) up. Very nice board. Still gettn all of the bios settings down pat.
Roadrunner.....How is the vdroop on your board, mine is pretty bad, do you have loadline calibration enabled?
I have LLC disabled and its set to 1.375 in the bios, 1000w galaxy PSU with the 8 pin plug used. As far as number its hard to tell because I have been using the rigs for forum wars part time so they weren't crunching all day every day. QX9650 Vista 64 with 2-GPU2 folding clients running, Q9650 is Ubuntu 64...Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
When you say VDroop is bad, what kind of drop are you seeing?
1.43125 set in bios, at desktop its @ 1.392, under load its @ 1.376 :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Going to probe around a bit with the dmm & find a place to read actual, all this above is done with cpuz.....
My IP35 Pro has pretty bad VDroop. Same with my old P5B Dlx. My P5Q Dlx has almost no VDroop which is nice because I can run VCore at 1.28v. The P5Q is not a great overclocker, but it probably consumes less electricity than my other crunchers.
That's actually pretty bad. About how much does it fluctuate under typical conditions? I have no problem with a 0.05-0.06V vdroop but if it's fluctuating much more than about .01V.........Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
Can you post a diagram for places to read? I'm considering a few different routes--and the EP45-UD3P looks like a board for me.
roadrunner : your setups is lovely. Congratz; hope you have fun and bring us some nice numbers :)
Definitely. But, pictures please! I want to see your setup: since there's beauty in computer hardware! :D
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6...0255eq2.th.jpghttp://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2...0254zc2.th.jpghttp://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7...0253nk2.th.jpghttp://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5...0252ec1.th.jpghttp://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1...0251kv4.th.jpghttp://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8...0250sr4.th.jpghttp://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3...0249lh8.th.jpghttp://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7...0248hj4.th.jpghttp://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3...0247gr2.th.jpghttp://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3...0246vk0.th.jpg
The first rig is pictures of a X38 DS4 that is where the UD3P is now, the 2nd rig is a EP45 DS4P..
Here are a couple shots of the new board...
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8...0256kr4.th.jpghttp://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9...0257yx3.th.jpghttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2...0258kd8.th.jpg
No rubber here ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
1 layer of armaflex tape on front & back of the mobo around the socket, 3 layers of neoprene gaskets that are made to fit the socket on top. Evap head presses down on those 4 layers --> completely airtight. I run 24/7 without any vaseline, rubber, dielectric grease and whatever nasty stuff most people use. No condensation here, plus I can swap CPUs in like 2 minutes without having to clean up more than the thermal grease ;)
My SS unit is tuned for high load, not low temps tho... so I usually run "only" -30C loaded and it's never below -39C...
What do you mean exactly, when you say your P5Q DLX is a bad clocker?Quote:
Originally Posted by S_B
I used one recently for a customer's build and was very impressed. No trouble running an E8500 at FSB 500, along with 8GB of ram @ 1100Mhz without using any high voltages (1,18V VTT, 1,4V MCH, 2V Vdimm).
Almost no Vdroop which is great, only thing that annoyed me is the lack of voltage displays in bios :shakes:
What GPU's are that? I don't think I've seen those before?Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
That's a dual-core chip. I'm running a quad core. I'm also speaking in relative terms. There are other boards that can get much higher FSB with either a dual or quad core. But I like my P5Q Dlx because it's been problem-free and I don't need to run high VCore. It's also my main PC. The quad core is unlocked, so I don't need to run high FSB to get decent speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
RR: nice systems. Quad-fire HD3870s? And correct me if I'm wrong, but the UD3P is running with a pair of HD4850 Toxics, right?
With my Striker Extreme being such an example. You can get singles and duals clocking like crazy with massive FSBs on this board, yet quad cores suck as bad as any $100 board. There are more examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Quad 3870x2s on the DS4P, on the UD3P those are a pair of 8800gt for folding, I have quadfire 4870x2 I put in for the forum wars though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
What CPUs in each?
It's not so much about the FSB 500 (any P965 can run a Dualcore at FSB500) I was impressed... more because of the 8GB mem clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martijn
Most boards can't even touch 1000Mhz with 8GB DDR2, and this one just did 1100 with no hassle, low volts and FSB 500 on top.
Sierra, what is your approx. max FSB with a quad on the P5Q? If you know it, also the max FSB of the CPU on any other board? Talking primestable here. Thanks.
The EP45 DS4P has the Q9650, the new UD3P has a QX9650 in it, both are running 4Ghz 24/7 crunching... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
When I was testing, I think I got up to around 450FSB. I have not run Prime in about two years. All I care about is if it's WCG-stable. For daily use, I run 330X10:D. FSB is not that important in WCG.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I usually spend about a week testing a new cruncher. I can generally tell if it's going to be stable enough for WCG without the need to run Prime. I've never had any problems with blue screens or reboots. I have one cruncher that's been going almost non-stop for two years. That's the P5B Dlx which runs at 400X8. I have to run 400FSB because 8 is the highest multiplier on the chip.
I was tempted to edit in "Q9650s or?" to my post. Nice chips--great speeds. And yeah--try to push it more till you get WCG-unstable :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
No if I go by WCG standards there unstable in Folding at home, all of mine are OCCT, prime95, FAH stable which has no problems WCG. I have tried that before where it will run WCG without errors and go to folding and its a fail...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Ok. Well still sounds pretty good. I like your setups--a bit messy (if I do say so myself :lol:) but it has a lot of power.
Ok thanks, 450 is enough for my use (trying to decide which mobo will replace the IP35 Pro in my "basic" systems lineup, eyeing the P5Q-E/Deluxe closely).Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
FSB gets really important with dual socket rigs though :D Even for WCG.
BTT, I really do hope I'll receive my UD3 board. No aswer/confirmation yet :shrug:
Who are you getting it from, Jcool?
Same as loonym, or so we hope ;)
Ah THAT source. Pretty cool. :up: Where do I signup?
For a cruncher and the price I think there good boards, of course I have been buying Gigabyte boards since 2006. I have bought 17 boards so far in 2 years...
I agree. What are the best memory kits to use on these? I know WCG doesn't particularly care about memory, though. :p:
you should be able to push those 3870x2s more, i got 910/999 3dmark06 stable on mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
On topic, my only experience with gigabyte are two p35 DS3L's. And they are some very stable boards :) both running q6600's one oc'ed quite nicely to 3.6ghz
After reading this thread I can't was to see how this UD3 performs :D
The UD3/QX has crucial 8500, the other has some Kingston 8500, I bought a couple of those 4x1Gb kits and put 2 sticks in different rigs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
I have not tried any higher that was all CCC went to, I have had good luck with there boards them myself...Quote:
Originally Posted by acidpython
What OS is each running?
And commentary for the X58 board...
I think it would be awesome if they did some custom engineering with all the fans around. I have a great solution in mind for that. Basically make a special card for fans. Perhaps behind the SATA connectors or something, or at a right angle, make a custom port. Then have a small PCB with the headers for fans galore as well as a mini-Molex for supplemental power. Include a cable with it so you can extend the distance between board and the fan PCB, and a small adhesive to secure it somewhere. Saves at least 1 cm^2, if not 2-3 cm^2. Plenty of space for additional ports. Other than that, I'd say slightly redesign that heatsink so the connection between Northbridge and ICH isn't so sharp. Moving it over 1CM or decreasing the angle, combined with actual screws or bolts, would make that top PCI-E x4 slot more usable for x8 and x16 cards if someone really wanted to. In addition, I think it would be a good idea to add one last USB header onto the formal front-panel port, for 4-pin connections (such as front-panel memory card readers). They definitely have the space and it would be a great utility, as you no longer take up 2 ports when 1's good enough.
I have a kinda big selection of ram around, I'll see what runs best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
I got a ud3p to replace my p35 platinum, I'll put up some results later.
I agree with you on the fans. That's one place that I've always felt is lacking with a decent high end motherboard. With the exception of a few of my Intel branded boards, almost every 3rd party board has no graceful control over any fan speeds. If a board maker were to split off chassis fans onto some form of riser card with OS/Bios controllable resistance and perhaps even Fan/Temp profiles that would be awesome. No more need for front panel fan speed controllers, just set up temp profiles in OS and your computer optimizes speed and noise on the fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Well, there was Abit. Most boards had fan controls that could beat all but the most highend addon solutions. Now it's goodbye Abit, cause all you people didn't buy their mobos :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
That's another story though...
Gigabyte is a good example for how it should not be, zero control over fans, Foxconn on the other hand, the Blackops allows adjusting each fan in 1% steps, or have them temp controlled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
I think they should grab a 4-port or 8-port switch or something and add it to a fan controller board. Basicallay have setting 1 be BIOS controlled and 2 be manual control. 4-8 cheap dials or additional switches for L/M/H would be cheap as well, and help along control of those pesky 3-pin fans. Anyways--I'm 100% satisfied with how my Abit IP35-E handles fans. The awesome thing is they planned for dual-fan heatsinks a while ago, so they had an Intel 4-pin and a standard 3-pin fan port within an inch of each other below the socket. If I got a second fan for my Infinity, I'd have a nice little spot to plug the fan in and options include control to match the primary fan. Very nice BIOS solution: clear, concise, and powerful. I have always thought that fan setups are b0rk3d on most motherboards. And a riser card with supplemental power would be awesome: allow us to run everything with MB fan control and no extra power though the MB itself.
I dont want all those damn fans running through my motherboard anyway, that is just extra stress on the board. Havent you ever seen a post where a guy hooks to many fans up and burns out the circuit? I have seen several, I hook mine directly to a fan controller or the PSU...
Which is why I said to run supplemental power with it too: no reason to stress the board directly. And if you burn something out--it's just a single small controller and should be cheap to replace.Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
I use either the Toughpower Power Express 250w or 450w, and run all my pumps and fans/lights off it. They are great, they take up 1 - 5 1/2 slot and work with your motherboard, thus giving you extra p[ower for all the extra do dadzzzz.
Does returning to a topic count as offtopic? or only after if rescuing it from sliding into the sheep direction?:p:
Have my UD3P up and running.
Some pic's:
Cpu - Ram Spacing is great, Xigmatek HDT cooler and Corsair Dominators = zero space issues
http://i34.tinypic.com/2v2vz35.jpg
Ram can be removed with the Graphicscard installed
http://i33.tinypic.com/209hgnp.jpg
Slot layout
http://i34.tinypic.com/517j1d.jpg
What the Heatsinks look like under the silly blue airflow preventers
http://i35.tinypic.com/28i6p3s.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/10nezpk.jpg
I'll see how far I can push my good old Q6700, just dont expect any 3D benches as I'm running a gpu of the performance level "crunchers choice":yepp:
http://i36.tinypic.com/avfvxv.jpg
Nice pictures. What card is that? The 7200GS? And I was unaware this topic drifted off topic--I Don't think there's such thing as off-topic in this forum section! :p:
How much are these boards BTW?
Im thinking of picking up dual Q8200 rigs within a few months. Have no clue on any of the new boards out, Last decent board I bought was a P5B DLX, almost 2 years ago, this board sticks out tho, lots of good things being said about it etc. :up:
It's $120-130 here in the states. Probably around £75-80 across the pond
OMG!Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
u just commited a cardinal sin on WCG section of XS. You brought us back on topic! :down:
Someone get the pitch forks and bon fire ready, we gonna be lynching someone soon. :rofl:
Serious note.
:up: looks like a solid board.. mmm.. might want to try it out.
UD3 is 95£ / coudnt find in us / 125 euro, UD3R 99£ /104$ (after mir) /135 euro, UD3P 115£ /116$ (after mir) / 145 euro,
yup, graphicscard is a 7200GS, got it on ebay for 0,01£:p:
ncix wants ~$175 CDN for UD3 boards :(
What about NewEgg Canada?
Well you could try newegg China www.newegg.com.cn :rofl:
I actually noticed there's such thing as NewEgg China a bit ago when I noticed a link for Canada--too bad I can't read the site though! :p: Anyways--is NCIX the only Canadian source?
Well I use this, http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt :) or I get my wife to translate for me ;)
Unfortunately the UD3's haven't made their way down here yet :( Going off the 'Egg prices, they'll hopefully be somewhere around the AU$150 range, which is fairly decent for a mid-range P45 board, especially one that actually has decent 'fet cooling.
But they're very nice boards, and I wouldn't mind picking one up some time.
Eller
Hi Karl, I have the same problem in Shanghai with regard to getting hardware. Have a look at finding mail order in Hong Kong or Singapore, thats where I get the latest hardware.
Wow, didnt realize they had a canadian outlet now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
No UD3 boards on newegg.ca.
I got a UD3R for £95 delivery from Scan, on 'today only' price.Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
Agreed, I put as little as possible thru the MB and stick all fans( except little chipset fans) on molex..Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
I have an uber fan of doom on my chassis: 36CM one. Anyways--I don't like to put any more than 2 fans through the motherboard. Right now, I have an S-Flex "F" (the ones with the Infinity) mounted on the rear and the stock Intel cooler, which sucks by the way. Once I get my Infinity here, I can remount and have a nice system again. Anyways: part of my suggestion to have a controller board is because I don't want all the extra power for fans being drawn through a motherboard--can really wreck havoc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Are these UD3 boards, so far, sensitive to P4 +12V v. EPS +12V? I've never really heard of a desktop board that is, but you never know!:D
Look like nice boards...
Of course--if nothing else excellent coolign setup.
Q6600 priming at the standard 400x9
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9077/400on6.th.jpghttp://img383.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
Q6700 priming at 430 FSB
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5...e430bb9.th.jpghttp://img241.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
after a bit higher clocks?
Q6600 running spi at 3915
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6...m435ro0.th.jpghttp://img383.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
thats all? of course not:
Q6600 running spi at 4005
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6...m435ro0.th.jpghttp://img383.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
max fsb with my q6600:
Q6600 at 500FSB valid
all with the following hw:
Q6600 G0 (except the one with my Q6700 G0, but decided to swap it for the 6600 as thats what most run).
2x1 GB Crucial Ballistix 800 C4 (new single sided stuff:mad:)
Gigabyte EP45 UD3P F4 Bios (initial release version, no newer final version avalaible yet).
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 cooler with stock fan and Arctic Silver
7200GS
620w Corsair HX
I'll throw some dualies at it tomorrow, can't really be bothered to take apart my main cruncher though to get the Q9550 out of it, sorry.
Ouch--you got burned. Anyways--did the Deltas die or?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=63
Here's my oc so far on the UD3 with the x3330. What a sweet chip this is, has alot more in it. :yepp:
I would like to try my e8500 and X3350 on this board to see how it handles both.
As soon as I get some money I will be upgrading to a UD3 board. I haven't been building long, but have used Gigabyte boards in all my builds, and have no complaints. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...just upgrade!