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ASUS P6T family - all about it.
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i have that motherboard sitting here
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Just a cool looking NB. Do want!
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Does the black 16x slot run off the ICH or the NB, if it runs off the NB does it support PCI-E 2.0?
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Oh!! Geesush!.......
What's with ASUS putting VIA crap chips on their boards lately?
I mean, I was going to go quad and pair it with the Maximus II but when I saw a VIA chip in there? I ran for the hills..........oh well, I guess I'm gonna stay in the P5B-Deluxe (VIA crap free ) hills for a lot longer than I thought.
Nice board overall........9.5 out of 10, I'd be an 11 "IF" it didn't have that crap I just talked about.
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@ pmp
can you say something about the price?
Thanks
Chris
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Nasgul: That VIA chip is a Firewire controller, what's wrong with it?
I never use FW anyway so I couldn't care less, just disable it in BIOS.
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Nice pictures pmp! Waiting for BIOS shots
Could you please send me one of those boards? :rofl:
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Originally Posted by
Chri$ch
@ pmp
can you say something about the price?
Thanks
Chris
For today - unfortunately not. More to come around November.
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Thanks for sharing m8 :up:
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That'll be my next board for sure!
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Great looking boards and very usefull info, thx pmp!
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Thanks for the Pics pmp, but only 2 different memory multipliers and no qpi multiplier? :(
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I thought Intel unlocked the QPI/DRAM multiplier on all chips now? Or was this an earlier ES chip?
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i hope this will be fixed with the next bios or if the mainboard is available...
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By the looks of the bios it seems the scope of voltage monitoring is limited to vCC and transformed PSU supply voltages? Seems like waiting for the RIIE board will probably be the way to go. The added adjustment of DIMM data/clock ref voltage per channel is a neat feature though! So many more memory timings to figure out as well! It's good to see there is finally an option to change tFAW which will surely come in handy with some ICs.
pmp, do you happen to know what DD stands for? Different Dimm perhaps? DR and SR are standard but never come across DD.
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Wow...nice stuff!
That board is really packed.
Hardly any space left.
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Originally Posted by
mikeyakame
By the looks of the bios it seems the scope of voltage monitoring is limited to vCC and transformed PSU supply voltages?
Yes indeed. Basic information only, but TurboV shows more (under OS).
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Originally Posted by
mikeyakame
Seems like waiting for the RIIE board will probably be the way to go. The added adjustment of DIMM data/clock ref voltage per channel is a neat feature though! So many more memory timings to figure out as well! It's good to see there is finally an option to change tFAW which will surely come in handy with some ICs.
It should've been avaliable (or it was actually but not user-adjustable) alread y on older boards. IIRC it was for high-density modules mainly, though may impact the performacne/OCbility of RAM modules. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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mikeyakame
pmp, do you happen to know what DD stands for? Different Dimm perhaps? DR and SR are standard but never come across DD.
Not really, haven't figured it out yet.
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mikeyakame
I thought Intel unlocked the QPI/DRAM multiplier on all chips now? Or was this an earlier ES chip?
At least for i7 965 Extreme - yes, more multi's are available. But regular i7 ? We have to wait for anybody with C0+ stepping to see if all are available too.
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Nice bus speed. over 200mhz looks good for the lower chips getting 4ghz+ :)
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The Core i7 920 on stock did 1m superpi in 15sec, this is good, right? my q6600 does 21 sec on stock! How fast does an e8400 do 1m?
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Originally Posted by
mariniam
The Core i7 920 on stock did 1m superpi in 15sec, this is good, right? my q6600 does 21 sec on stock! How fast does an e8400 do 1m?
About 15.500s. i7 is way faster even with 300MHz lower clocks
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Originally Posted by
Chri$ch
can you say something about the price?
Asus P6T Pre-order in the UK, £252. £282 for the Palm edition.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...%20Motherboard
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Originally Posted by
Bullet92
About 15.500s. i7 is way faster even with 300MHz lower clocks
But how is it way faster? They both do virtually the same time in super pi with stock settings. The 300 MHz diff isn't a lot considering this is a new super duper CPU.
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so the 4ghz i7 did a 16mb PI in 4min 46sec.
how long does it take for a 4ghz e8400 or a 4ghz quad?
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Originally Posted by
mariniam
But how is it way faster? They both do virtually the same time in super pi with stock settings. The 300 MHz diff isn't a lot considering this is a new super duper CPU.
hes just saying that its more powerful clock for clock, and you cant measure cpu performance with spi. especially when your doing a oranges to apples comparison, their completely different cpus
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jaredpace
so the 4ghz i7 did a 16mb PI in 4min 46sec.
how long does it take for a 4ghz e8400 or a 4ghz quad?
unoptimised runs on P5Q Dlx (not a good chipset for superpi) C5-5-5-15 PL 9 :
4Ghz Qx9650/P45 mobo 10 x 400FSB / ram at 1066 : 16Mb PI : 5 min 32 sec
4Ghz Qx9650/P45 mobo 10 x 400FSB / ram at 1200 : 16Mb PI : 5 min 22 sec
4Ghz QX9650/P45 mobo 9 x 450FSB / ram at 1200 : 16Mb PI : 5 min 17 sec
Think a good optimised X48 can come very close to it's scores. But Nehalem will smoke any current existing CPU in it's path in an optimised software environment... looking forward to more results Pmp, looks good :)
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Bloomfield @ 4GHz / ram at DDR3-1600 : 32M Pi : ~10min 2sek
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at this point i will stand very critical against asus. after the commando/maximus formula/rampage formula fiascos i _suggest_ serious overclockers to examine very carefully asus's latest offerings...
even as it seems rampage extreme has almost all flaws corrected still i will not easily forget my pasts experineces with the previous rog mobos... i am waiting for your comments people...
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But little to much vcore for 4ghz with nehalem ? look at the cpu-z pic and over 1,45v :S not so good well ? soon you gonna fry your cpu
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Thanks for the preview.
That's a lot of voltage for that cpu speed. By comparison, a nice Qx9650 can do 4.5GHz on that voltage, and would be faster than the 4GHz i7 at that speed. The only thing that would make DDR3-1066 CL6 ram have good bandwidth is triple channel, dual channel it is worse than current DDR2.
Can we see some 3D benches please and Triple channel ram benches? I'd like to see what it can do with more bandwidth. Also it would be good to see what the cpu/system can do using a reasonable voltage orthos stable overclock, similar to what people would be comfortable running themselves, say at 1.36v or less.
EDIT - For comparison to i& & Leeghoofd's SPI1M runs:
E8400 @ 4Ghz, P45 mobo 9 x 445FSB / ram at 1113 : 16Mb PI : 5 min 32 sec (with internet browser open in background).
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Originally Posted by
CryptiK
Thanks for the preview.
That's a lot of voltage for that cpu speed.
No, we don't know yet. I don't think we got to know whether Nehalem tolerates more, less or the same amount of voltage, but maybe I simply missed it.
-- So do the Nehalems tolerate the high voltage, pmp?
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By comparison, a nice Qx9650 can do 4.5GHz on that voltage, and would be faster than the 4GHz i7 at that speed.
No, it would be about similar or slower in multi-threaded benches and bandwidth heavy tests. Perhaps better in single threaded applications.
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Jacky
No, it would be about similar or slower in multi-threaded benches and bandwidth heavy tests. Perhaps better in single threaded applications.
well do you want your new cpu for synthetic tests & bandwidth benchmarks, or for applications?
:rolleyes:
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sweet Jakub thx for posting
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Originally Posted by
jaredpace
well do you want your new cpu for synthetic tests & bandwidth benchmarks, or for applications?
:rolleyes:
Well there is enough real-world multi-threaded software out there and still quite some single-threaded stuff too. Nehalem may be ~10% faster in single threaded apps, and destroy anything else in multi-threaded, thus a 4ghz Nehalem might be superior. So no need for rolling eyes.
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How do these chips handle the cold...say if we chill it down to -140c and pump 1.8vcore through it. Will it be able to hit 6ghz or simply fry...
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You guys need to remember that a lot of these tests done for i7 are on early C0 stepping ES chips. Retail will be C1 stepping from what Intel have said so far and will have some improvements and changes from the C0.
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My source, i believe very reliable, told me that C0 actual would be the retail stepping. Tho before official NDA liftup, i decided not to answer questions regarding - if the chip takes well high voltages, etc.
Just to not let bad information spread. What can i say now, it's promising, but still very fragile/sensitive.
sdumper - C0 takes the cold temps, according to my source (haven't test it yet myself under LN2), as good as we can expect. For _sure_ new 3D06 WR are coming/done already :P
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Sounds promising. NDA will be lifted soon enough then we will all find out after all nothing worse than bad rumours being spread from misconceptions.
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Thanks for this info! Nice CPU and Nice Tripple DDR3 :D!
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Ok, everest looks bad... :p: (dc better latency as tc?)
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$500 - Naaaah
Im sorry for the dissapointment that many are going to have...
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Ohhhh! Awful everest results!
No thanks.
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pmp can you post newest BIOS ...
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Does someone know what's the difference between the p6t deluxe and WS edition? For example in terms of overclocking etc.
tnx ;)
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P6T Deluxe 0804 Bios
1. Improve Memory compatibility
2. Revised QPI/DRAM Core Voltage setting in CPU Level Up
3. Support new CPUs.
P6T-WS-PRO 0302 Bios
1.Supported 1333MHz of X.M.P.
Rampage II Extreme 0503 Bios
1.Revised QPI/DRAM Core Voltage setting in CPU Level Up
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Pmp,
Why did you run the i7 920 at stock FSB?
Is it the ram that is holding you back?
Are you using a tripple channel kit rated for 1.65v or a upgraded dualchannel kit?
Could you post some picks of memory bandwith and latency with memspeed around 800 Mhz?
:p:
Kazi
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Originally Posted by
dionysio
at this point i will stand very critical against asus. after the commando/maximus formula/rampage formula fiascos i _suggest_ serious overclockers to examine very carefully asus's latest offerings...
even as it seems rampage extreme has almost all flaws corrected still i will not easily forget my pasts experineces with the previous rog mobos... i am waiting for your comments people...
I soooooo dont blame u. I to have been burned by Asus. Maximus board in particular. But honestly I was surprised my Rampage Formula board worked as well as it did. They really did make it a good board. And not as sensative as the Maximus. I am sooo tempted to try out the Rampage Extreme II but user reviews are giving me flashbacks of the Maximus board. The P6t6 Revolution board however is looking to be a d*mn good board per reviews. I will wait and see.
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Hi everyone,
Can I ask a fairly simple question regarding the p6T? I am being told by the people supplying a system with this board that the pci-e x16 slots can only be used for graphic cards.
My understanding is that pci-e is downward compatible so if only putting one graphic card into the blue slot I should be able to use slot 2 and 3 for other pci-e devices but these people are adamant about their advice.
It would be huge disadvantage with this board if the only expansion slots available are 1 pci slot (the other gets blocked by the graphic card) and 1 x4 pci-e.
I'd appreciate a confimation from you guys particularly anyone that has used or tried to use a pci-e x16 for anything else as I can't get through to Asus and the manual is not clear either way about the issue.
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Originally Posted by
louiscar
Hi everyone,
Can I ask a fairly simple question regarding the p6T? I am being told by the people supplying a system with this board that the pci-e x16 slots can only be used for graphic cards.
My understanding is that pci-e is downward compatible so if only putting one graphic card into the blue slot I should be able to use slot 2 and 3 for other pci-e devices but these people are adamant about their advice.
It would be huge disadvantage with this board if the only expansion slots available are 1 pci slot (the other gets blocked by the graphic card) and 1 x4 pci-e.
I'd appreciate a confimation from you guys particularly anyone that has used or tried to use a pci-e x16 for anything else as I can't get through to Asus and the manual is not clear either way about the issue.
A PCIE slot is a PCIE slot. The top two slots, at least on the P6T (not deluxe or anything) are 16x, it's possible I suppose that if you installed an 8x or slower card in one it might slow the other down, but I've not seen anything that claims that anywhere.
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Originally Posted by
CodeNinja
A PCIE slot is a PCIE slot. The top two slots, at least on the P6T (not deluxe or anything) are 16x, it's possible I suppose that if you installed an 8x or slower card in one it might slow the other down, but I've not seen anything that claims that anywhere.
Thanks for this, it's what I understand too however, I need to know if there is anything about the P6T and Asus' design that differs in any way.
Sorry I wasn't clear that I was talking about a P6T deluxe in this instance btw.
The Asus manual isn't clear but does mention device rather than graphic card when talking about how using the other two slots affect the configuration.
In that respect when they talk about putting a 'device' into slot 2 or 3 there is no adverse affect on slot 1 speed. If I remember there are two end results depending on the lanes needed on 2 or 3. ie. x16 x8 x8 and the other is x16 x8 x1.
What I can't understand is why this company is telling me that the slot can't be used for anything else and if their claim is for the Asus P6T specifically or PCI-e x16 slots in general. I get the idea they mean the latter - in other words their understanding of pci-e x16 is more like a replacment for agp and hence just meant for graphic cards. Crazy idea and unbelievable for a company that builds top end systems.
Telling them they are talking rubbish just makes them more shirty with me so I'm hoping someone here can tell me that they have actually put a device into one of those slots and it does work.
Can anyone confirm?
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Originally Posted by
louiscar
What I can't understand is why this company is telling me that the slot can't be used for anything else and if their claim is for the Asus P6T specifically or PCI-e x16 slots in general. I get the idea they mean the latter - in other words their understanding of pci-e x16 is more like a replacment for agp and hence just meant for graphic cards. Crazy idea and unbelievable for a company that builds top end systems.
You've likely hit it square on the nose with that one, after working as a tech at a computer store for a while, I was always surprised by the amount of BS these supposedly 'professional' people spout.
Judging by the number of people getting PCIE RAID cards in the Storage forum, specifically Dell Perc 5/i (8x), I'm going to take a stab and say it's not a problem. :shrug:
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Originally Posted by
CodeNinja
You've likely hit it square on the nose with that one, after working as a tech at a computer store for a while, I was always surprised by the amount of BS these supposedly 'professional' people spout.
Judging by the number of people getting PCIE RAID cards in the Storage forum, specifically Dell Perc 5/i (8x), I'm going to take a stab and say it's not a problem. :shrug:
Thanks CodeNinja. I used to build systems in the 90s, it's just I'm a bit out of touch since 2000. I knew these guys were talking BS but when I tried to argue they got very shirty eg. "We are a computer company" :)
Now in my frantic search I realised that actually the P6T deluxe manual spells it out perfectly in a table which I missed first time round. The table starts off with a Single VGA configuration and shows that the other two slots have 2 "pci-e cards" capable of running at x8. I wish I'd seen this before as it's pretty conclusive. If that isn't enough there is an explanation later (as I mentinoned earlier) that talks about putting devices lower or higher than x8 in those slots.
I'm going to have a right go at them today. I've got one of the other sales guys who said he'd talk to an Asus agent and get back to me. I'm in two minds about whether to let these guys build my system now. I did'nt want to do it myself as I've not got enough stuff lying around for 'process of elimination' testing anymore should anything go wrong so I had opted for one of these companies.
Thanks for your help and opinions.
regards
Louis
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Originally Posted by
CodeNinja
A PCIE slot is a PCIE slot. The top two slots, at least on the P6T (not deluxe or anything) are 16x, it's possible I suppose that if you installed an 8x or slower card in one it might slow the other down, but I've not seen anything that claims that anywhere.
Look at the review of EVGA X58 on newegg. One person couldn't get any RAID cards working and their tech support kept telling him the board wasn't a server board so its not supported. I had the same issue trying to use a PCI card in a Dell PE1300 a long time ago. I wish these companies would stick to standards. Standards are there for a reason. I'm sure if the engineers knew about it they would work on a BIOS fix. Stuff like that is hard to get past the basic tech support people.
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http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2816/1001343.th.jpg
That's my new upgrade sitting right there.
i7 920 OEM (3835A882)
P6T6 WS Revolution
Geil Ultra Series 1600MHz 7-7-7-24 (3x 2GB)
Noctua NH-U12P
I will get it all put together this weekend. :D
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I'm still short DDR3 from Newegg. Doesn't look like I'll be able to build this weekend.
