Insulating with eraser

I have used the eraser for a while now on me boards. Replaces the liquid tape or nailpolish for me on boards that i want to keep clean (and im lazy :D). It comes of nice and since i started using it i have never had any problems with moisture. When preparing the Rampage for 3D i thought lets make some pictures :)

First me Dimas table with 25mm neoprene sheet for the back of board. I dont use tape/polish on back just the sheet:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._00-border.jpg

Test to see if mount fits:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...est-border.jpg

Forgot to make pic from inside socket but here is one with Gigabyte board. No grease (for LN2 sessions) just neoprene:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...P/IMG_5173.jpg

The eraser is very easy to remove and goes of without a trace. Only thing thats annoying is that it gets under/on the sinks & socket. I start with some tape to prevent the eraser to get under:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._02-border.jpg

Some neoprene in socket and between fets/caps to prevent air on those spots:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._03-border.jpg

Then put the eraser on just like clay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._04-border.jpg

Done :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._05-border.jpg

Backplate:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._06-border.jpg

Thin layer on neoprene so the insulation around pot doenst touch the eraser:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._07-border.jpg

Instal tube:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._08-border.jpg

Neoprene and mount:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._09-border.jpg


After an afternoon benching i took it of for air again:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...667-border.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...672-border.jpg
Easy, clean and very effective :up:

Looks very nice. Doesn´t the eraser shrink/crack or anything when exposed to very low temperatures?

kneaded rubber is some amazing stuff, i use it all the time when sketching, not the strongest eraser but works.

i put mine in the fridge to keep them hard, never seen them shrink or crack, but then again thats not super cold temps

this is a really cool idea :up:

That is a great idea. I've tried different stuff and that sure beats white petrolatum or liquid tape. +1 :up:

It works great but it isnt my idea. I am not sure who was first it but i think either team Turkye or Italy.

wow that looks so slick, so does that setup to! sweet job.

I don't know what this stuff is but that looks real good loc.o :toast:

Thanks :)

Its kneaded eraser from Bruynzeel or Faber Castell.

Isn't that Blu-Tack?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_Tack

But anyways that's great way to insulate mobo :D
Must try that out when we have an ln2 benching at next month.

Artist eraser is a good stuff, also useable on any V Mod area insulation and backside of mobo, cuts backside condensation under LN2 works... Cheap 'n easy... If u keep it clean, use it 100+ times, again and again...

contaminating with too much hand sweat probably could make it conductive!

WoW that is a very, very good idea !

Thanks for the great pic's and idea :clap:

Ran for 5 hours straight today and took it of again:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...667-border.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...672-border.jpg

wow. you probably just saved a lot of motherboards. namely mine.
so this will effectively replace the nailpolish/vaseline and frostking method?

loc.o, can you post up a link to this stuff? I have no idea whats it called and would love to pick some up.

it's art eraser.
get it at an art store =D

Art and/or hobby stores. This is a link i found here or this one.

ıts our ınsulation type :)

Team Turkey

Is this type of insulation also 24/7-proof for singlestage?

yes you can use 7/24 under cascade

but only use FABER CASTEL eiser

Great find team Turkye :up: It doesnt have to be Faber Castell though ive used different brands that do the job just as good.

some brands eiser can be conductor and some eiser hardly sticky maybe remove some smd or parts on the motherbord

( sorry for my bad eng. :D )

I definitely think I'll start using this from now on, instead of nail polish and frost king. The frost king always pulls some of the nail polish off, now my boards look like crap.

sooo clean work :eek:

yep - I picked some DESIGN kneaded rubber last week after seeing loc.o and talking to him about it though I have yet to use it

Why not make a "Sticky" (about insulation/preparation) out of this thread?
It is a good alternative way to insulate a mainboard!

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What a great idea!! Why bother cutting neoprene of pipe tape....this stuff seals every nook and cranny!!

Wow, nice idea... Now I can RMA without anything looking suss if I break my board... JOKE

Still a nice idea, I might have to steal it :p:

I'm using two layers of 10 mm neoprene and it's also fulfill the tasks. Socket is a little frosty after bench on DI, but it isn't a problem for me. Frost isn't dangerous to electronics, but when it turns to water, it can be seriously dangerous. So the best way for me is keeping pot frozen all the time :D But maybe it's a better method :)

ASUS r&d has been using a similar "clay" method for some time now.
I laughed when I first saw a pic from asus r&d guy because they were using multi colored play doh or something..looked funny like a kids project or something, but still effective. I need to dig up that pic :D
To be honest you guys dont even need nail polish or anything at all around socket really if you have enough compression on your foam gaskets and they are well designed to fit in around the socket components properly. I never use polish anymore because I hate trashing mobos :D. Vaery rarely kill boards from condensation around socket and I test ALOT. Just keep popping off and re-using diff "dry" foam doughnuts I have for diff boards.

ive been using these erasers from my first sub zero session on (i.e. for about 5 months now). Works great! Its cheap, reusable, and perfectly insulates.

I stole the idea from Sam/Tapakah and Mr.Lobber

just bought like 2 cases of this stuff!!

Bought 15 pieces of kneaded rubber and tried it out.
But, I'm not happy with the result.
It looks like loc.o's stuff is more soft.
Mine is pretty hard to squeeze.

Any hints for me?

Kneaded rubber + Iso-Kit from Duniek
http://www.abload.de/img/imgp7264-800pwh.jpg

Tried to apply it like loc.o, but looks horribly!
http://www.abload.de/img/imgp7265-800tpk.jpg

Final armaflex layer neccessary? (For 24/7 ss?)
http://www.abload.de/img/imgp7270-800t3y.jpg

Seems to be more dry/less flexible Pete. This is the one i used:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/kneedgum.jpg

Loc.o just tried it last nite - worked a treat on the Rampage Extreme. Cheers :up:

@loc.o
Only one (!) store around here had kneaded rubber.
Yours I cant get here. :(

try kneading it more? put some energy and warmth to it. microwave it?:rofl::ROTF::shrug:

A bit fancy way to prepare that stuff ;)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5572/11111ab8.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8828/22222oo0.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6094/33333ok9.jpg

Damn!
How big was your rubber-block?!

My girl told me to do it as you did, but I was smarter.







*NOT !* :D

Is this the same as blu-tak? Or other stuff similar to blu-tak?

I have armaflex and stuff already. but this seems so convenient, cheap and clean!

Nice way to insulate.

I use this stuff, it works well, goes on like tape, but it's kind of thin so you have to build up layers, or use it together with neoprene:

http://www.coaxseal.com/index.html

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Damn!
How big was your rubber-block?!

My girl told me to do it as you did, but I was smarter.

*NOT !* :D

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Originally Posted by Postal Dude

Is this the same as blu-tak? Or other stuff similar to blu-tak?

I have armaflex and stuff already. but this seems so convenient, cheap and clean!

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Actually i use grey ones ;) (My fav: Faber Castell) I prepare that soft stuff as much as thin i can...

"Blue and yellow erasers" are not good, especialy yellow; #@*** :mad:

Plan.B, is it OK to remove after?

yes, it can be removed. get it to room temp, or warmer, and slowly work it off. you'll probably have to cut it or get under an edge to get it started

is it reusable after removal for another run?

Wait.. i must understand... that thing that you use.. is a rubber? normal rubber?

hehehe, a rubber, heh.

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hehehe, a rubber, heh.

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Wow. :rolleyes:

Anyways, that looks beautiful! (and effective.)
:clap:

I found Loc.o's kneading rubber in the US. I do not know how many they would have or how reputable the site is but they seem like they are still active.

http://marcopaper.com/bruynzeelspeci...ccessories.htm

I just bought my case of ebay cheap but before I go sub zero with this stuff, can someone confirm weather or not they use grease in the socket?? it looks like loc.o does not so I just wanna know, if I dont have to have it in the socket I'd prefer not to tbh.

I tried loc.o's method without any grease in the socket.
No condensation formed up yet. :up:

I would only use grease if you dont remove evap/tube for a while. I never do but always take cpu out right after run.

Hi every1!
I had my singlestage running yesterday for a couple of hours and this morning.
I took the rubber off and it didn't leave any markings, so this insulation method is DA SHIZNIT !!! :rofl:

No condensation on the board or in the socket at all!

MAN THIS IS SWEET. this is what ill do with my next board, grease everywhere and nail polish isnt easy to clean.

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Originally Posted by loc.o

Seems to be more dry/less flexible Pete. This is the one i used:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/kneedgum.jpg

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how many do u need for a good insulation?

Got this from Michael's (a hobby superstore here in US) .About $ 4.00 a pack .
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6264/p9280077sf3.jpg
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9212/pa020102tp7.jpg

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Got this from Michael's (a hobby superstore here in US) .About $ 4.00 a pack .

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I paid 0.65 Euro for one piece!
And I needed 2 pieces to insulate, but mine looked pretty bad. :D
How many layers did you use? Just one?

Hey loc.o

Many thanks for this fantastic Solution !!!!!

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0014ysz.jpg

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0016qmm.jpg

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0023x1s.jpg


Regards from Switzerland !!

Doei !!!!!!;)

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Hey loc.o

Many thanks for this fantastic Solution !!!!!

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0014ysz.jpg

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0016qmm.jpg

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0023x1s.jpg


Regards from Switzerland !!

Doei !!!!!!;)

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Clean work :)

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Clean work :)

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Thank's !!!!;)

Two dayz later; hello, goodbye!

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1646/img0877ua1.jpg

I guess your not supposed to use the yellow kind?? But I'm having contact issues. I'm not sure why ima trouble shoot a bit more though to find out.

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I guess your not supposed to use the yellow kind?? But I'm having contact issues. I'm not sure why ima trouble shoot a bit more though to find out.

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We recently used yellow ones under ln2, but gray ones are "clean". I just use Faber branded gray: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FABER-CASTELL-...29141001r38291

We all know people using different brands and colours, i don't want to give a faulty advice :)

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Originally Posted by Fr3akyPete

I paid 0.65 Euro for one piece!
And I needed 2 pieces to insulate, but mine looked pretty bad. :D
How many layers did you use? Just one?

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My first try was too thin and the uneveness around socket caused me condensation pockets. I think The GanG approach pictured here is the way to go. Will try it next time.


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@bluto
Yeah, I was worried that you could have condensation problems because of this one thin layer.
That's why I tried to "copy" loc.o...be with the kneaded rubber at the same height as the CPU heatspreader.
So it's one plain surface.

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@bluto
Yeah, I was worried that you could have condensation problems because of this one thin layer.
That's why I tried to "copy" loc.o...be with the kneaded rubber at the same height as the CPU heatspreader.
So it's one plain surface.

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It makes a big difference; a lot of layers...
Loc.o's and splmann's works are good samples...

I tried this last night no condensation anywhere?? where does it go???

I`d like to ask few things that i must to know
If you use a SS for bench only for benchs session... i must use dielectrica grease under that eraser?

I know that i must use always grease into the socket....

By the Way what i can use like you use white neoprene adhesive tape?

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I tried this last night no condensation anywhere?? where does it go???

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Air+cold surface (specially metal or hard plastic)=condensation ;)
Air+eraser=no condensation...

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Originally Posted by BND|MOD

I`d like to ask few things that i must to know
If you use a SS for bench only for benchs session... i must use dielectrica grease under that eraser?

I know that i must use always grease into the socket....

By the Way what i can use like you use white neoprene adhesive tape?

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no grease under eraser, with grease, it becomes b.ulls.hit :eek:
backplate+regular neoprene+mobo+eraser+regular neoprene is a good way...

Can this method be used for chilled water setups for every day stuff? because iv been having condensation problems with mine using neoprene..etc.

Sure, i am not an expert but i use it with Chilled Water, D-Ice pot and LN2...
It would be a good idea, rebuildind that stuff weekly (or monthly?)

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Sure, i am not an expert but i use it with Chilled Water, D-Ice pot and LN2...
It would be a good idea, rebuildind that stuff weekly (or monthly?)

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yeah, i was wondering how much mainanance it needs.

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I would only use grease if you dont remove evap/tube for a while. I never do but always take cpu out right after run.

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loc.o's advice...

i use that stuff but as i said, i am not an expert :cool:

I know that it`s better neoprene than armaflex, but i can`t find neoprene here in argentina.... so i`ll use armaflex.. is it ok?

BND|MOD, Armaflex = neoprene. Neoprene is the material, Armaflex is just a trademark.

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BND|MOD, Armaflex = neoprene. Neoprene is the material, Armaflex is just a trademark.

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Thanks.. i always believe that armaflex was not the same as neoprene :P

Thanks for that :)

i had to test this method out myself and i got to say that its rocks.. its easy to ably and comes off without a trace ( usings tape to cover some places is essential though) anyways here are few pics of my Biostar Tpower ;)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/DSCN1330.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/DSCN1334.jpg

Looks "okay" :p:, Solarfall!
We have seen better yet. *hehehe* (*ducks and runs*)
I didn't even use tape on the socket, I put the stuff even in the small gaps at the cpu-"holddown".
I peeled the whole rubber-iso off and everything was gone off the mobo.
So, on the socket I don't know if you need to use masking tape.

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Looks "okay" :p:, Solarfall!
We have seen better yet. *hehehe* (*ducks and runs*)
I didn't even use tape on the socket, I put the stuff even in the small gaps at the cpu-"holddown".
I peeled the whole rubber-iso off and everything was gone off the mobo.
So, on the socket I don't know if you need to use masking tape.

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heheh i know its not really a "nice looking job" but it worked and that's the main thing :D the stuff i used didn't come off so easily like yours

Here is my first "loc.o and Team Turkey insulation" for my first LN2 run on P5Q Deluxe :D
benching about 5 hours without any problems, it´s great :up:

http://s5b.directupload.net/images/081011/laslvulu.jpg

SOLD on this !
doing dice in about a week and this is going to be my setup
thanks for posting this before eye fingernaild polished mobo = pissed off ole lady
wasted 20 bucks in gas just trying to find more aremflex = pissed off me

this eraser stuff is everywhere in town here and allmost all the hardware stores eye been to dont even know what closed cell foam is !!

Dude, Home Depot doesn't even know what armaflex is...

ya shocked me too neither did lowel's thay didnt even have pipe wrap !

well lat night I erasered the hell outa my board, no dielectric grease or anything and then slapped about 2 hrs worth of -55c to it and wham! no condensation looks like this is the way for me :D still havin minor contact issues but nothing major.

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Here is my first "loc.o and Team Turkey insulation" for my first LN2 run on P5Q Deluxe :D
benching about 5 hours without any problems, it´s great :up:

http://s5b.directupload.net/images/081011/laslvulu.jpg

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That looks nice and neat.
As long as stop the condensation doesnt really matter how it looks:p:
I am going to try this myself soon as well:up:
Btw , Dino bluetac was great arround the cpu when i used dice :up:

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Dude, Home Depot doesn't even know what armaflex is...

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dude home depot sells armaflex tape for the cheapest ive seen by a lot:rolleyes:

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no grease under eraser, with grease, it becomes b.ulls.hit :eek:
backplate+regular neoprene+mobo+eraser+regular neoprene is a good way...

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So can you put at least a little bit of DE grease inside the cpu socket just in case (for 24/7 ss setup that I wont be checking anytime soon)...

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So can you put at least a little bit of DE grease inside the cpu socket just in case (for 24/7 ss setup that I wont be checking anytime soon)...

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Sure, it prevents CPU and pins (just inside the cpu socket)
On mobo surface, eraser and grease couldn't be together, no way!

Palee02: Good job, show us some pics on action! (both NB and CPU pots pls)

I can´t find any pics in action... I was doing bench and my friends were taking photos so I have only pics they sent me today, no more :(... there were more computers cooled by ln2

an older benching with my friend + dice + Commando :)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/Palee7/SNU95Orj...041_resize.JPG http://lh5.ggpht.com/Palee7/SNU-IYkK...054_resize.JPG

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Some neoprene in socket and between fets/caps to prevent air on those spots:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._03-border.jpg

Then put the eraser on just like clay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._04-border.jpg

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What kind of type can i use? if i don`t find neoprene type?

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http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/DSCN1330.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/DSCN1334.jpg

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That type is paper tape?

Can i use aislant type?mmm in spanish is cinta aisladora, we use to insolate electric wire......

i think you can use masking tape probably

BND mate any tape wil do, the one you have is fine. The neoprene are some pieces that i put behind the caps so i dont have to use the eraser on spots it wil be hard to clean:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_05-paint.jpg

Does anyone here know where I can pick up the kneaded eraser from in Australia?

I checked Lincraft (craft store) and they didnt have any. Does this look all right? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-Sanford-D...742.m153.l1262

Should do :) Think its the same TheGoat_Eater used, maybe ask him. Should be available closer to home though id guess :D

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BND mate any tape wil do, the one you have is fine. The neoprene are some pieces that i put behind the caps so i dont have to use the eraser on spots it wil be hard to clean:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_05-paint.jpg

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Ohhh ya.... neoprene is in the midle of solid capacitor and regulator of voltage right, yellow point that you show me right

So i can use electrical aislant type.... or paper tape both is ok

Since i did not find Kneaded Rubber s-h-i-t i used some stuff that once was used at wooden windows glasses to prevent air/cold getting in the room . :D

http://forum.crazypc.ro/attachment.p...1&d=1223913923

after removal, is the art eraser stuff reusable for another run?

Yup. You can continue to use it so long as you don't get it dirty with stuff like metal shavings :D

Is it best to have the kneaded eraser approx the same height as the CPU?

Also, do you fill in the socket with anything or do you just put some tape on it and mold the eraser around it?

Thanks.

Thanks for posting. I am considering going DICE or LN2 later--in another thread I posted a CPU pot design. Anyways--I used to have some of this stuff. I think masking tape would be cheapest solution for barriers--so long as it doesn't have too much stick. Anyways--do you suggest layering or kneading together 2-4 packages of this stuff and rolling it flat? Anyways--is there any particular neoprene you need for the rest of the insulation? I think both can be had at just about any craft store, so just wondering.

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Does anyone here know where I can pick up the kneaded eraser from in Australia?

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Try HERE dude