24" LCD need to buy and I have no clue which one, never owned one.

So, my 22" CRT is screwing up and I think it may die soon, after all, it's 8 years old.

I'm looking to buy a 24", because the 26" will be too big, so far I've looked at a few models but I'm not exactly sure which one will be the one that will best all around, not just for "gaming", I'm talking ALL around best.

And here are my choices:

Acer P244Wbii Black 24" 2ms HDMI 16:9 Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 20000:1, 1080P? Good?

SAMSUNG 2443BWX Glossy Black 24" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1(1000:1)

SAMSUNG TOC T240 Rose Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1(1000:1)

ASUS MK241H Black 24" 2ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with 1.3M Pixel Webcam 450 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 3000:1)

Acer X243Wbd Black 24" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 400 cd/m2 3000:1 ACM with HDCP support

LG W2452T-TF Black 24" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor 400 cd/m2 10000:1 DCR with HDCP support


I'm leaning more towards the LG, mainly because it has a good CD/m2 (whatever that means), the f-Engine and excellent warranty, a key point which I always look for.

2nd best I see, it's the ASUS but that sucker consumes 130W, which it's not my cup of tea. Or I wonder if the stupid camera included consumes some of that power too.

2nd best (two 2nd best), it's the Samsung TOC, mainly because I've seen the TVs TOC and they're looking sharp along with a 55W of power consumption.

I bought a couple of ACER 17" a couple of years back for my wife, and they're okay but the movies look horrible, colors were horrible......so I stayed away from LCDs in general.

Samsung has a good rep for LCDs

ASUS seem good, I've always trusted ASUS products.

LG is pretty good from what I've found out about it.

But when it comes to LCD monitors, I'm lost. This will be my 1st one ever, so I hope the experts will help.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...ku=S445-D24001 I just got 1 on Sept. 10 and my review is on this link , very HAPPY purchase , hope this helps you Nasgul , good luck on your choice

What do you plan on doing with this monitor(gaming, photo editing, etc...) and what is your budget.

I will be buying one of these within the next few months:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

Not cheap, but it has a good panel.

if you want THE best, go with NEC 2490Wuxi

PWNS all other 24" monitors, regardless what anyone else thinks. it IS the best 24" monitor available. the reviews speak for themselves.

The best 24" I've seen that doesn't break the bank is the one I'm using, BenQ G2400W.

Depends how much you want to spend, though. 6-bit TN panel (cheaper) or 8-bit (expensiver). Is that a word? :P

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if you want THE best, go with NEC 2490Wuxi

PWNS all other 24" monitors, regardless what anyone else thinks. it IS the best 24" monitor available. the reviews speak for themselves.

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If he doesn't make a living doing editing or relying on color critical work than your statement is really not true. That is the best monitor if you need a monitor for color critical work. If he wants to game and fool around with PS and read forums than you are giving him bad advice as he doesn't need to spend that much money on a monitor.

http://lcd24-7.info/Monitors.aspx

one of these maybe?
:lol:

http://lcd24-7.info/Image.ashx?Acer_P243W
http://lcd24-7.info/Monitor/Acer/P243W/Default.aspx

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Right now it is being used as a photo display for a trade show. I fiddled around with it for about an hour, but didn't get a chance to play any games on it.

First off it is a TN panel, so I'll start with the known drawbacks on it.

Colors: The dithering method seems to be implemented well. I didn't notice any banding or funky off shades.

Response Time & Input Lag: It is listed as having a 3ms GTG response time, and it seems pretty spot on. Input lag, if anything, is considerably less than one frame. I didn't see any ghosting, and I didn't notice any "twinkling" during video playback.

It seems like a good monitor for the money, and I don't particular like TN panels. The only defect mine came with is one dead pixel.

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http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2147476

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ica-_-24009125

Hhmm..........

Interesting, no one has said anything about the Samsung LCDs.

I think I will go with the Samsung TOC, mainly because of power consumption and also the picture quality is great, I stopped by Best Buy today and they had it on display, I also saw the 26" which I'd love to get but...........too big for my desk.

Although for Panel it says: a-si TFT/TN

Which I have no clue what that means, good or bad? But I'll be paying the same $400 (tax included) as egg, except no shipping charges.

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i saw that one at harvey normals (i mean harvey normans local rip off merchants/chain store)
on the weekend, but i didnt really play with it. i was looking at the 22"ers. the samsungs and lg's looked the brightest (as usual) next to the hp's which were comparitively dull....all were set to 50% contrast and 50% brightness. using nv cards.

didnt really like the rose and blue surrounds - i prefer black...but thats just me.

acers build quality is a bit of a concern to me, but maybe thats unfounded?

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=320-6272

Samsung 245T FTW!

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Hhmm..........

Interesting, no one has said anything about the Samsung LCDs.

I think I will go with the Samsung TOC, mainly because of power consumption and also the picture quality is great, I stopped by Best Buy today and they had it on display, I also saw the 26" which I'd love to get but...........too big for my desk.

Although for Panel it says: a-si TFT/TN

Which I have no clue what that means, good or bad? But I'll be paying the same $400 (tax included) as egg, except no shipping charges.

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samsungs look really nice, picture quality and build quality is good but their lag times are off the charts, some of the worst in the LCD monitor industry.

What do you mean by "lag time off the chart"? :shrug:

I thought that a lot of guys praised the SAMSUNG LCDs around here.

But anyhow, never though that they would be some of the worst in the industry.

I've heard the Samsung 24" LCD's are quite good, but so are Dell's ... I've been using an old Dell 2405 24" for the guts of 3 years now and its not missed a beat, still looks as sharp as the day I bought it, hardly any back light bleed compared to the smaller cheaper Dell's ... I understand the newer 24" models have faster response times, but its never been an issue for me, am considering a Dell 30" LCD now.

Dont be put off by the Dell badge, I'd never buy a Dell computer, but these LCD's are the bee's knee's and offer a fantastic warranty ... at least the deal I got did ... on site collection and replacement and all. Not sure who actually makes the screens? probably the same people that make Samsung ones?

One last thing ... you mention a 26" will be too big, unless you have very little desk space, then trust me my friend, you grow into larger screens very quickly ... it was the same with my 50"" TV, it was enormous and a fair novelty when I first got it, but now I'm looking for more TV real estate, same here with my 24" LCD and secondary 19" LCD for the computer.

Its all relative.

use this site: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.p...7&p2=730&ph=12

on the step 3 menu go to "Delay compared to CRT"

you will see how much all of the monitors you mentioned really suck for online competetive gaming (which is what I do besides building computers, college, frat events and XS :D). I just bought a Dell 248fpw. and while the viewing angle sucks badly, it has VERY low delay and looks great from straight on.

the expensive dells use H-IPS panels and have bad delay compared to CRT, i dont suggest any of them for online competetive gaming

that link has no delay info on the Samsung 245BW. Nothing on my Viewsonic VX2025wm either.

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use this site: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.p...7&p2=730&ph=12

on the step 3 menu go to "Delay compared to CRT"

you will see how much all of the monitors you mentioned really suck for online competetive gaming (which is what I do besides building computers, college, frat events and XS :D). I just bought a Dell 248fpw. and while the viewing angle sucks badly, it has VERY low delay and looks great from straight on.

the expensive dells use H-IPS panels and have bad delay compared to CRT, i dont suggest any of them for online competetive gaming

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I see no indication the OP is into competitive gaming ... but good points.

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I see no indication the OP is into competitive gaming ... but good points.

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I used my self as an example, I would never want to buy a monitor that had crappy input lag... I guess that just me though

dell 2407 has crappy input lag?
i game competitively and havent noticed any issues..but..i could be wrong..id like to know thats for sure
ive been thinking about either an lcd upgrade or..an addition(another 24" dell) but idk just yet..
compared to friends who game ..the only thing ive noticed..is dark spots are a lot darker then my friends(22" lg)

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dell 2407 has crappy input lag?
i game competitively and havent noticed any issues..but..i could be wrong..id like to know thats for sure
ive been thinking about either an lcd upgrade or..an addition(another 24" dell) but idk just yet..
compared to friends who game ..the only thing ive noticed..is dark spots are a lot darker then my friends(22" lg)

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its not the worst, but its not great. 23.7ms display lag on average

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I've heard the Samsung 24" LCD's are quite good, but so are Dell's ... I've been using an old Dell 2405 24" for the guts of 3 years now and its not missed a beat, still looks as sharp as the day I bought it, hardly any back light bleed compared to the smaller cheaper Dell's ... I understand the newer 24" models have faster response times, but its never been an issue for me, am considering a Dell 30" LCD now.

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I'd like a Dell LCD mon but I noticed on the link posted above, SAMSUNG guarantees ZERO dead pixels on the T240, despite the fact that seems like every LCD monitor isn't really "that" good. I also like that the T240 uses only 55W and it seems like it is the LCD that uses the least amount of power, nice.

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One last thing ... you mention a 26" will be too big, unless you have very little desk space, then trust me my friend, you grow into larger screens very quickly ... it was the same with my 50"" TV, it was enormous and a fair novelty when I first got it, but now I'm looking for more TV real estate, same here with my 24" LCD and secondary 19" LCD for the computer.
Its all relative.

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I used to have a 52" LCD rear projection TV, I sold that sucker, it was too big, I couldn't stand seeing huge, so I bought me a Toshiba 42" LCD 1080P TV, $999.99. I'm sure 24" will be more than enough now, since that I'll be sitting about 28" away from it.


I don't do any gaming on-line, the only game I personally play is NFS-MW, that's it, then my 4 year son plays Unreal Tournament 2004 and 3.
Overall, seems like the Samsung T240 will do, I'll stop by Best Buy tomorrow and buy it.

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I used my self as an example, I would never want to buy a monitor that had crappy input lag... I guess that just me though

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For average use, you don't notice the lag, honestly you don't, but if you are an uber gamer then I guess it might be an issue.

I read up about this a while ago, someone mentioned we should try panning our head from extreme left to right really quickly looking at real life scenery, for most people there is more lag than the slowest LCD monitors when you stare at them straight on all the time ... try it and see.

But yeah, if you are a competitive Gamer (and that must be an exclusive club) then you are looking for every edge of advantage possible ... but that's hardly average LCD monitor advice :)

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I used to have a 52" LCD rear projection TV, I sold that sucker, it was too big, I couldn't stand seeing huge, so I bought me a Toshiba 42" LCD 1080P TV, $999.99. I'm sure 24" will be more than enough now, since that I'll be sitting about 28" away from it.


I don't do any gaming on-line, the only game I personally play is NFS-MW, that's it, then my 4 year son plays Unreal Tournament 2004 and 3.
Overall, seems like the Samsung T240 will do, I'll stop by Best Buy tomorrow and buy it.

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No worries.

My 50" TV is not for PC gaming, though I do some PS3 stuff on it from time to time, its mainly for Blu ray Movies.

Good luck whatever you decide to do.

Well, I got the Samsung T240 today.........

Never thought that I would say this but.......holy smack! This LCD monitor has a great image quality compared to my (well, 8 year old) Mitsubishi 22" CRT.

I played NFS_MW and the reflection on the car was amazing, like mirror glass.

Problem? The resolution, 1900x12000 is huge and the monitor itself is huge as well, I was getting used to the 1280x1024, but now? I have to open FF3 and sort of minimize it to the center of the pic, otherwise it'd be too big to read.

So far I'm happy, not bad for $400 and $10 for a 4 year warranty.

BTW, as a macho man that I am, I did not read the manual and all this time I'm trying to figure out where the on/off button was and guess? lower right hand corner of the bezel...touch on & off.

Behold!

You'll get used to it and will be browsing full-screen in no time.

Welcome to the 24" club ;)

The good thing with that res you can just have two firefox windows open side by side if you want instead of having to full screen, or firefox and mediaplayer, etc
You could also adjust your icons and text to be a little bigger if you feel a bit of strain trying to read.

Congrats on your purchase, I am still using a Samsung 955DF 19" CRT for my computer and I have to run my desktop at 1152x864 @ 85hz any higher and it just doesnt seem right to my eyes (refresh rate wise) 1600x1200 requires 60hz and I just cant handle that.

I am torn between getting a 22" or 24"... maybe one of those 37" 1080p westinghouses I've seen around for $600 hehe

awsome monitor bro!!^^

I'll be done putting together my computer next week. Now I need a new monitor. Im going to be using it to connect my pc(DVI-d), Xbox360(Hdmi), DVR(Hdmi). I need help choosing since I havent shopped for a new monitor in a while.

SAMSUNG ToC T240HD Rose-Black 24" Is this any good?:shrug: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001280

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Well, I got the Samsung T240 today.........

Never thought that I would say this but.......holy smack! This LCD monitor has a great image quality compared to my (well, 8 year old) Mitsubishi 22" CRT.

I played NFS_MW and the reflection on the car was amazing, like mirror glass.

Problem? The resolution, 1900x12000 is huge and the monitor itself is huge as well, I was getting used to the 1280x1024, but now? I have to open FF3 and sort of minimize it to the center of the pic, otherwise it'd be too big to read.

So far I'm happy, not bad for $400 and $10 for a 4 year warranty.

BTW, as a macho man that I am, I did not read the manual and all this time I'm trying to figure out where the on/off button was and guess? lower right hand corner of the bezel...touch on & off.

Behold!

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Why do you have three routers?

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awsome monitor bro!!^^

I'll be done putting together my computer next week. Now I need a new monitor. Im going to be using it to connect my pc(DVI-d), Xbox360(Hdmi), DVR(Hdmi). I need help choosing since I havent shopped for a new monitor in a while.

SAMSUNG ToC T240HD Rose-Black 24" Is this any good?:shrug: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001280

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oh yeah, I found the perfect 26" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001281

I found this picture on google
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...r_T260HD_1.jpgMan this thing is SWEET!

hey can anyone recommend me a 720p/1080p 24''? preferably samsung with 1/2 HDMI. 16:10 1920x1200 please.... dont care for black lines... thanks

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Why do you have three routers?

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One is the Cable Modem, then I bought a Firewall router and about 3 weeks later, I signed up with Vonage, so they sent me the VoP router which has the telephone ports to connect the phone line to my house......
That's how I end up with all 3 units, only two are routers and I own the cable modem and firewall router and the VoP router belongs to Vonage. I have had Vonage since Feb 2005 and I'm fricking happy with it, I've saved over $1,000 in telephone bills probably since then.

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oh yeah, I found the perfect 26" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001281

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Those Samsung ToC monitors are just fricking great! I luv mine......But! if you have the room for a 26"? That's even better. I didn't have the room for a 26", so I had to get the 24" and even that, the 24" is huge IMO. Coming from a 22" (20" viewable) CRT.

The ToC are guaranteed to have ZERO dead pixels, and with the 3 year warranty? Can't go wrong with these.
Now, you have too look that there's a difference in the contrast ratio between the monitor and the hdtv monitor, the monitor is 20K:1 and the hdtv monitor is 10K:1........don't exactly know what the main or major difference is or "IF" there is besides the technical specs but, you should look into that IMO.

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hey can anyone recommend me a 720p/1080p 24''? preferably samsung with 1/2 HDMI. 16:10 1920x1200 please.... dont care for black lines... thanks

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I'd recommend the Samsung ToC, I'm very happy with it and I think for the price it's an excellent monitor and no deal pixels guaranteed. I also like it because it uses only 55w total.

My 2nd choice overall was the ASUS, seems like it has a bunch of tech stuff to make the screen more vivid and all that fancy stuff but the main problem is that it consumes 130W and that was a major draw back....


BTW, if you're going to hook up the monitor to the PC? Don't use the HDMI cable, it's annoying to get the message on the screen every 10 seconds about adjusting the res to 1920x1200........I used a DVI to HDMI cable and swapped it out for the DVI-to-DVI, both Monster Cable and now I don't get the message anymore on the screen.


I'm luving my Samsung and for those that will get one? I'm sure you'll luv it too, saves you $$$ on electricity too, only 55W of power consumption. :up:

Does an S-IPS panel exist in the 24" range? not sabotaging your thread but figure I'll add my interest in purchasing one as well - price is around $1000 or under. BTW, what's the big deal between an LCD computer monitor and a TV monitor anyway? Seems to me that the Aquos are pretty sweet units.

I just bought a new Dell 2408WFP, rev.A01. Couldn't be happier. I was very worried after reading reports of poor input lag, backlight bleed and off colours on one side, but mine is just fantastic. Direct comparison to my old Samsung 226BW (praised at launch as having good input lag and response time) revealed no noticeable lag, even hooked up an old 19" CRT and ran in clone mode with the two screens side by side (the LCS was obviously not running native res)- no noticeable delay at all. The colours on the Dell are simply amazing, much better than my old Samsung, probably due to the non-TN panel, and the contrast is great, although the Dynamic Contrast setting sucks big time.

In short, it's expensive, but very much worth it.

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Does an S-IPS panel exist in the 24" range? not sabotaging your thread but figure I'll add my interest in purchasing one as well - price is around $1000 or under. BTW, what's the big deal between an LCD computer monitor and a TV monitor anyway? Seems to me that the Aquos are pretty sweet units.

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Maybe.

http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/en/data/lc...n.monitors.htm
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/238/monlistfv1.png

Acer X243Wbd for $299, should I jump on this?
http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/ca...affixedcode=WW
Or maybe the X223wbdfor $188.99?
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...881&cid=MT.282
or
Samsung 2253BW $212 http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...140&cid=MT.282


There are also several 20" 1680x1050 lcds for about the same price as the 22" Acer
BenQ G2000W $169.99 http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...032&cid=MT.258
Samsung 2053BW $189.99 http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...407&cid=MT.258

I'd really like a 24" to be able to playback 1080p video and that Acer is the cheapest 24" I have found, I have read quite a few reviews about it and I know it's not the greatest panel but I am coming from a Samsung 955DF 19" Crt that is not as crisp and bright as it used to be 6-7 years ago.

My cousin has the 20" Acer X203wbd and from the times I've used it I would be perfectly happy with a panel of that size, resolution and "quality"

The 20" BenQ looks decent for the price, and the 22"/20" Samsungs look good also.

I am just confused and don't know what I should get, I have been researching for a while and everytime I get close to making a final decision I read something and change my mind again.

Sorry for the wall of text(I usually don't ask questions like this as I like to do my own research and google like crazy :rofl: )

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I am just confused and don't know what I should get, I have been researching for a while and everytime I get close to making a final decision I read something and change my mind again.

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1. Find out what panel type you need. You want for gaming? Photo editing? Middle?
2. Look at contrast, and color reproduction of monitors. There are review sites.
2. Get the monitor you like best, in the price range you like best.

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Sorry for the wall of text(I usually don't ask questions like this as I like to do my own research and google like crazy :rofl: )

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Obviously not. There's more than enough info in this thread, and in the LCD buyer's guide. If this is too difficult, then roll some dice.

im getting the samsung TOC T240HD/T260HD.... its crazy

1080p for HD movies, TV, console gaming
16:10 1920x1200 for PC gaming
HDTV
5ms
2 HDMI

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1. Find out what panel type you need. You want for gaming? Photo editing? Middle?
2. Look at contrast, and color reproduction of monitors. There are review sites.
2. Get the monitor you like best, in the price range you like best.

Obviously not. There's more than enough info in this thread, and in the LCD buyer's guide. If this is too difficult, then roll some dice.

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I am looking at cheaper TN panels, I don't need MVA, PVA or IPS although I would love one eventually. I just need to get off this dim and dark CRT soon.
I game, watch videos, occasionally do some casual photo/video editing, and pretty much a little of everything.

About the review comment, be it on a forum or a hardware site they usually are not done the same way and with the same set of eyes.
In my opinion buying a monitor is a crapshoot just like buying fast food fries.
I've seen people sing the world about a certain panel and others dump on it like it's the worst product out there. I have read a lot of review sites and I have spent more time on multiple forums wading through pages and pages of threads than I care to admit.

This decision would be so much easier if I didn't live hours away from stores where I can compare them in person.
The only retail store near me that has more than 3-4 monitors have them all running through a terrible KVM switch and there are 1440x900, 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 panels all running from the same computer with a mix of DVI and analog input so it really doesn't help.
I will get the monitor I like best once I figure out what one I like best, it really all comes down to personal opinion I guess.

Maybe I should roll some dice? Can I please borrow your D&D dice?
(that was a bad joke in response to you disrespecting my Google-Fu :) )

But seriously, if you actually have some recommendations or first person experience with any of those aforementioned monitors or others in the <$300 range 20-24" please post again.

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im getting the samsung TOC T240HD/T260HD.... its crazy

1080p for HD movies, TV, console gaming
16:10 1920x1200 for PC gaming
HDTV
5ms
2 HDMI

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What type of screens are they? Most likely TN I assume.

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What type of screens are they? Most likely TN I assume.

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Yes they're TN panels.

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Yes they're TN panels.

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Oh...no thanks.

T260 for me. :)

LG W3000H-BN 30IN

It's an S-IPS panel

SPECIFICATIONS
NATIVE/MAXIMUM RESOLUTION :2560 x 1600
BRIGHTNESS :370 cd/m2
CONTRAST RATIO :3,000:1 (DFC)
RESPONSE TIME :5ms (GTG)
VIEWING ANGLE :178°/178°
DISPLAY COLOURS :16.7M
PLUG & PLAY :DDC/CI
POWER CONSUMPTION
ON :130W
STAND-BY/SUSPEND :2W
DPM OFF :1W
SYNC RANGE
HORIZONTAL SCANNING FREQUENCIES :Single: 49.31kHz / Dual: 98.7kHz

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But seriously, if you actually have some recommendations or first person experience with any of those aforementioned monitors or others in the <$300 range 20-24" please post again.

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I don't buy monitors less than $300.
Its all subjective. What looks good to me, may not look good to you and vice versa.

If you want a monitor that YOU like, do the legwork and the research.

Use tom's hardware. They seem to have a good review section.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...19,1051-4.html

Has anybody tried this Westinghouse 25"?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824255011