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Title says it all.
I figure, if you consider something like the AMD Phenom X4 9850BE pretty much equal with the Intel Q6600 for practically the same price, what was it that made you chose Intel over AMD?
When looking into it, it seems like the factors could include overclocking headroom, platform/motherboard superiority, and brand preference.
If there are other reasons, please by all means let's hear them!
I think this should provide for some interesting discussion.
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easier to oc. better clock for clock for c2d.
quads are a different story, but for single threaded apps in particular i think intel wins.
much discussion on this topic can be found :D with many and varied siding with each side. i wouldnt say no to a 9850be ;)
the one and only reason seems this is an OC forum is the overclocking differences on intels :)
I think that is everyone's answer. :)
There's no option that explicitly says "better performance." :( (Overclocking is one part of performance ;))
I wish AMD would get it's act back together... getting an Intel rig was a really tough decision...
I would not talk about the 9850 and the Q6600 in the same sentence... The difference is roughly 10-15% off the bat, and when you start clocking the Q6600, there just no comparison.
A sort of semi related question, "Does Intel still have it in the mATX world?"
I say no. There is 1 mobo worth mentioning [zee Asus board] and the upcoming DFI P45 JR models are the price of a standard ATX board. AMD mATX boards come with a decent integrated video solution whilst Intel's boards come with their POS version.
So AMD mATX mobos are much cheaper and have more features.
I remember my AMD mATX... boy did that suck...
ALL OF THE ABOVE TO THE POWER OF 10!
Intel Rules!
Yes, overclocking is one part of the performance (like staryoshi pointed out) and therefore I have never been impressed with what Advanced Mediocre Devices has offered in that part of the field: http://www.overclockers.com.au/artic...?id=452447&P=4
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Now, let's close the thread before the entire legion of the advanced mediocre devices cheerleading squad shows up as they always do whenever the name is mentioned in the Dark Side.
'cause as they know, the truth hurts 'em.
That's just pure ignorance on your part... I'm not gonna argue with you about who is the current leader, but seriously...
Having only been here a short time, I have grown used to Nasgul's demeanor and am no longer bothered by it. Just so people know, I've never owned an AMD cpu in my entire life.
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Now, let's close the thread before the entire legion of the advanced mediocre devices cheerleading squad shows up
I got my PD820 because it was cheaper than an X2 3800+ (only Dual Core AMD at the time) by a lot... :p
I didn't go with one over the other. Both is the way to go! Intel for the pure clocks (this little L2 hot box impressed me at 3.6GHz) and AMD for the challenge (Phenom anyone?).
That's cheating lol.
wasen't there a bug in all phenoms? I just figured it was time to go back to intel since it was better bang for the buck at the time. My last Intel system purchased (Besides my low voltage C2D Lenovo laptop) was a celly 300a. :)
I didn't vote on the overclocking, after all that's just the silver lining.
The real reason is that it comes down to one real important factor. Raw, seething power and performance!!!!
Compound that with the overclocking and the AMD is a great low priced, lower power also ran. :)
the platform is stronger, and intel wasnt stuck on junky NV chipsets and even worse ATI, so when via droped off there was nothing left to use on amd. and with intel making their own chipsets that seam to work as well as via with amd
and then the clock for clock advantage, and ocing are just to push it over
built 100's of both kinda systems amd was best bang for buck up until 4 years ago now ya cant beat intel ( most of our customers are over 55 years old ( sun city) & have no idea of what oc even is :ROTF:
but for me intel oc better
Better quality chips, more features, developer support, HIGHER PERFORMANCE CLOCK FOR CLOCK, oh and they do happen to overclock very well. Best Platform and Intelchipset, the list rattles on. I seriously do not know why anyone would buy AMD unless they were already on the AM2 platform and their board supported Phenom via a BIOS update
John
all of the above
better performance/watt
45nm
I was allways AMD never used a Intel system till a year or so. Purely from reading these forums and seeing the monstor clocks pple were getting on a Intel setup, I kept waiting and waiting for AMD to bring something back to us, but socket changes AM2 mainly with no real performance gains were the turning point for me.
We have a saying here , that noone is so rich to buy cheap things, but this country rules at it, to buy everything CHEAP as hell the cheaper the better and everything a bit more expensiver that theirs = Sock Bath !
I had Many CPU's Cyrix , AMD , Intel ... but i love the L2 Cache on C2D's and C2Q's, the smell of their plastick box , their ability to OC and the choice of boards. And I hate cheap things in general [ Yes, I'm opposing my whole "cheapy" country ] After long AMD streak Duron 700 [ fill 5 more AMD CPU's here ] to Athlon X2 4000, then I finaly got a nice work and could buy whatever I wanted not what ever my purse dictated to me, and Voila
Until AMD comes with a good board with a good layout good look and good CPU , for now i'll stay with Intel, and I want Nehalem , badly! .
Tbh X2 AMD series, those arent CPU's but local heaters with ability to count in binary and with Altzheimer, because they forgot their compute power somewhere [ CPU for poor or specific category of people that have PC's for music and internet, they don't need GHz's as much as we do ]
Phenoms X3 are X2 on steroids or Crippled Phenoms X4 , but I do admire the X4 Phenom series , I like the whole The only TRUE 4 Core CPU, If AMD had a black edition of a 3.4 ~ 3.6 GHz Phenom , I'd probably go and buy It and try it but now AMD has NOTHING to offer me.
For the same reason I went with AMD when their CPU's and platform were superior to Intel's.
I hope AMD can come back and be ahead again, that will drive Intel to be better and so on.
Only we can win when there is more than one player ... long live AMD and Intel.
For me its cause they overclock better, plus they performe great even with out overclocking.
For my primary system, I went with AMD's quad on a 790FX chipset. Before the boos start rolling in, realize that there is an Intel element to this story to temper my first sentence.
I had been using an E6600 on a DFI ICFX3200-T2R/G motherboard. That was the sweetest f'ing chipset I'd ever used and the processor was quite nice since it was a first-run C2D that did 3.6GHz. Golden chippo from that batch. :) Anyway, about a year later I bought an E8400 to replace it. The rumor was that the 45nm chips were clocking high, but nobody knew if the DFI would work with it. It didn't. It also died after being flashed to the BIOS revision that was supposed to add 45nm support. Since I had to buy a whole new mobo anyway, I re-investigated my options with gaming in mind. I'd always been an ATI fan, so I was looking for something with a lot of slots and excellent Crossfire support. There were 790FX boards with four PCIe 2.0 slots that were also very well-featured and more affordable than similarly-featured, three-slot (max) Intel options. I know there are some Intel boards with four slots on them now, but at the time this story takes place they were rare to non-existent. I went in knowing the CPU wouldn't be as fast but that the extra slot would more than make up for any CPU deficiency. So, that's why I liked the AMD platform better.
HOWEVER--I've also built a quite nice system around that E8400 that I was unable to use in the first place. It's currently making my server very happy, and it seems like a very nice system as well.
I like 'em both.
How about when the new 45nm Phenoms come out. They are supposed to overclock better, according to a report on hardspell.com
Oh, and they're also supposed to use half(ish) the power.
Crazy.
I was always an amd fan since the days of the 500 processor and this is the first time ever i ran an intel rig, built many for others . but its a first for me.
I chose more overclockability for my vote as it is TRUE for intel now .... amd had the crown for years for overclockability, but intel stole it away and still has the crown.
There is one important option missing: faster CPU.
Yes AMD is cheaper, and so I recommend it to anyone on a budget. For me, I can't buy an AMD when there are better processors that overclock better.
Another important thing is Intel is better for gaming (because of the faster chip and/or platform).
Because they are faster at almost everything, most importantly gaming. Clock for clock they beat the snot out of Phenom, and overclocking isn't even fair. Olympic athlete versus Special Olympics athlete.
Phenom + BS = "Smoother"
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Ignorance is bliss. Guys like you make me sick. We have your eaqual from the other camp on our Slovenian computer forum. I've always wondered how people can actually believe something is THAT much worse, when the numbers don't lie. It's just like religion. I'll enver understand that.Quote:
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Dude, NEVER listen to anyone who calls himself Nasgul or Sith or some other scary name!:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipi
What in the world is slovenian? Some sort of new taco bell menu, like cheesier tacos?Quote:
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Here, go learn something: http://www.overclockers.com.au/artic...?id=452447&P=4
And listen to the door mats.
Where is the better performance option. That would be my first choice, since that wasn't there I choose overclockability.
Intel is better than AMD clock for clock.
j/k Nasgul, I didin't want to offend you, just to check if you had any sense of humor!;)
Why do you keep posting that old PD article link?
BTW, Slovenia is a country in Europe. But I guess you're just kidding, you knew that, right?
Because I can't bench at 6GHz with AMD.. enough said.
An high end phenom may be fast enough in most gaming situations for now, but it will probably bottleneck the next VGA upgrade.
An higly OC'ed current intel CPU will handle future video cards better.
Oh and yes, I'd also buy Intel today, just like I would have a year ago.
I'm looking for performance, not a certain brand.
My preference for intel is because of the ability to overclock them. I also like them because of the performance.
This is my first intel build. All my others were AMDs. I can tell you now I am glad I chose Intel over AMD. I'm not a fanboy, just love whichever I can push further!
Everyone told me to. So I did.
I've always gone with AMD until my current build, heck I even bought a Phenom back in April and used it for a while. Overclocking is the biggest thing; if AMD could overclock to the same levels as Intel, even with the clock/clock disadvantage, I probably would just buy AMD. But when you take into account the ~10% lower per clock performance, in addition to ~10-20% lower overclock (if you get a good Phenom and have an SB750 board), the difference becomes substantial. Besides, AMD has nothing to compete with the Wolfdales. Phenom is a reasonable competitor to the Q6600, but AMD has no fast, overclockable dual-core that can challenge the E8xxx series.
overclocks...because that's what I'm into the hobby for :)
Lets not forget about AMD guys as if it was not AMD kicking Intels Hiney for so many years in overclocking potential .. Intel would ahve never bothered with competing in such a arena.
AMD will make a comback and i am sure it will be a strong one, just like their ATI 4800 series ... woot woot.
So, do you think Phenom is a good choice for a budget gaming rig? Seems like it performs alright for the price and you can get the across-the-board AMD thing going with one of the new Radeons. Any advantage to that.
If you want to go down the budget road, you're still better off with a budget Intel CPU. The performance gap and overclocking difference is just too big to justify an AMD processor at this time.Quote:
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The "across-the-board AMD thing" is just that: a thing. It's actually not that special. It's not like you're playing an RPG game where you match the suit of armor and get +200 Magic Damage. I hate to sound like an Intel patriot, but they also offer the fastest and most stable chipsets at this point in time.
You can go AMD if you feel heavily inclined, but don't feel bad for yourself when you notice that 95% of the people on this forum have Intel rigs in their signature.
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
Im thinking about going back to my opteron 165 after messing with this X48 Nonsense and Q9450, worst PC I have built in many years.
Why the heck would you downgrade that much? I say swap your motherboard. DFI isn't back in the game yet. They're still reeling from having put all their marbles into AMD before Core2 came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justintoxicated
Well most seem to think the board is great unless they bought another brand and blame my CPU. I guess I need to replace both in which case i will jsut go back to the opty 165 @ 2700 MHZ. I'm really not seeing a huge difference since aparently my CPU can't reach 3.2 GHZ and run memory in dual channel without a ton of Vtt. In single channel it seems to OC ok, but what a PITA having to adjust GTLs n such just to get dual channel to work....I have never wasted so much time on a system trying to get it to barley OC, this is the worst system I have built in some time. I may jsut have to run it stock speeds with watercooling and all. Simply terrible.Quote:
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I can't wait to see what AMD releases next. I never should have gone back to Intel and Nvidia.
Considering the opty 165 is 3 years old and still faster than my C2D's at work when it comes to regular usage I think It has more life left in it still. Plus I managed to find some matching PC4000 memory for it so I should be ok for a while with 4GB. Just have to cut my 1000 loss on the new system.
Get a friend. Try their Q6600 to see if the board just sucks with quads [current belief] or if it is in fact your quad.