Cascade "SS"

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09-29-2003, 12:25 PM
nikhsub1

Cascade "SS"

Just thought I'd share some eyecandy with ya :D . This block truley is a work of art, the watercoolers pRon! It is now installed and working in the Thermal Paste! Cathar, thanks again!
Now for some pics:

http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/allparts.jpg

http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/baseside.jpg

Yeah, that's my ugly mug :p
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/base.jpg

http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/block.jpg

And for those of you asking me what the P4 looks like without the IHS:
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/cpu.jpg
09-29-2003, 12:37 PM
Stang_Man

how much does one of those run yah?
09-29-2003, 12:46 PM
afireinside

Probley a small fortune compared to other blocks... Looks sweet though :D
09-29-2003, 12:52 PM
nikhsub1

You need to ask Cathar what they sell for.
09-29-2003, 12:53 PM
antipop

Is it made out of silver???? I'd love to know how it compares against the copper version (when i think that i have one of those and i still haven't found the time to install it)
09-29-2003, 01:37 PM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally posted by antipop
Is it made out of silver????

Yes, .999 pure. Should do about 1C better than the copper version.
09-29-2003, 03:15 PM
nikhsub1

One last gratuitous shot :D

http://www.netbetty.com/H20/cube/outside/mobo.jpg
09-29-2003, 03:21 PM
Sick0fthelies

How much did that cost to make outta that high % silver?
09-29-2003, 08:28 PM
masta_gettotech

good god what sweet lookin' block:eek: you realy spoil your self huh nick:D :thumbsup:

what's gonna happen to the original cascade (that is if there was one) ?
09-30-2003, 12:55 AM
antipop

Damn that thing is awesome in your case, i think i'll paint mine in silver :D (jk)
09-30-2003, 04:48 AM
Jabo

Great design, I wonder how it performs?
09-30-2003, 04:54 AM
Jabo

Re: Cascade "SS"

Quote:

Originally posted by nikhsub1

And for those of you asking me what the P4 looks like without the IHS:
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/cpu.jpg

Could you direct me towards a guide of some sort for how-to? remove ihs from a P4?
09-30-2003, 04:59 AM
Sick0fthelies

Why would you want to? Does it help temps?
09-30-2003, 05:14 AM
antipop

Quote:

Originally posted by Sick0fthelies
Why would you want to? Does it help temps?

Yes it helps greatly the temps, there's an how to at www.overclockers.com you'll have to search a bit cause i don't have time atm
09-30-2003, 05:50 AM
Jabo

Cheers, mate!

Se what I can do and post here my finds from there :)
09-30-2003, 05:58 AM
Jabo

OK, got it
Enjoy everyone :)
09-30-2003, 06:15 AM
Jabo

nickhsub1 -> what did you use to cut thru the ihs adhesive and how logn/how difficult was it?

Sorry for off topic but I couldn't find anything anywhere on it....

Thanks
09-30-2003, 07:03 AM
Craig

Looks just great man!

How's about a report on performance when it's had a couple days for the TIM to burn in?

Your set up should offer a very good high performance comparison of the copper vs silver Cascades.

You've a really nice set up there, congrats.
09-30-2003, 07:22 AM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally posted by Jabo
nickhsub1 -> what did you use to cut thru the ihs adhesive and how logn/how difficult was it?

Sorry for off topic but I couldn't find anything anywhere on it....

Thanks

Unless you accept the fact that you can easily kill your CPU by doing this, then don't! If you are fine with the risk, this is how I did it, took 5 minutes. Get a straight edge razor blade and hold it with a pair of pliers. Work the blade under the IHS at each corner first. Then you sort of cut through each side gently, the epoxy is sort of rubbery and the blade will slice right through it. Just be careful not to hit the core with the blade. Once you cut through the epoxy around the perimeter of the IHS, it should literally fall off. Be VERY careful when mounting a WB or anything to the bare die P4, they are more fragile than the AMD's. I saw a 4-5C temp drop with my setup when I removed the IHS.
09-30-2003, 07:45 AM
Craig

With the lower temps from removing the IHS and a strong cooling system, about how low of temps are you seeing?

I know the temps won't be exact, but interested anyway.
09-30-2003, 08:34 AM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig
With the lower temps from removing the IHS and a strong cooling system, about how low of temps are you seeing?

I know the temps won't be exact, but interested anyway.

With my current setup, I see about 10 - 11C above ambient on the CPU. Now some say the Abit's read high, but I don't know. With aircooling on the same board/CPU, I saw load temps to 63C.
09-30-2003, 01:10 PM
Jabo

Quote:

Originally posted by nikhsub1
With my current setup, I see about 10 - 11C above ambient on the CPU. Now some say the Abit's read high, but I don't know. With aircooling on the same board/CPU, I saw load temps to 63C.

You must be running low CFM fans on your setup... with dual heatcores I would imagine CPU temps being closer to ambient than yours (unless the temps you gave are full load ones, then congrats mate, great result!)

Thanks for the info and experiences sharing.
My mobo is living on borrowed time. I dropped quite substancial droplet of solder into my cpu socket, right inside one of the pin hole. Thought, yes, I hve just killed my mobo...:(((( tried to remove it with small pliers and then pincers and then needle and ten... I gave up and inserted my cpu...
it works up till know despite large blob of oridinary solder fooling around inside... :)

I am not of faint hearted kind, mate !:)
09-30-2003, 02:10 PM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig
Looks just great man!

How's about a report on performance when it's had a couple days for the TIM to burn in?

After about 24 hours, this is what is reported to me via the on die reading in the IC7. Funny how the PWM temp is always hotter than my CPU temp, PWM is the temp of some mosfet I think. This is with 2 instances of FAH running (as always!). Go figure why there are 3 IEXPLORER's in task manager :rolleyes:

http://www.netbetty.com/H20/silvercascade/sstemps.gif
09-30-2003, 03:06 PM
Major

Look at that shine !!!! (on the head that is ! lol)

Looks awsome !! great wb IMO :toast:

BTW the PWM thermal diode on the IC7 is just next to the cpu socket, near the rear of the board. IMO with water the reading will be alittle high without additional airflow around the socket area.
09-30-2003, 03:21 PM
nikhsub1

Quote:

Originally posted by Major Slaughter
Look at that shine !!!! (on the head that is ! lol)

Yeah yeah, lol! I never liked hair anyway...
09-30-2003, 04:48 PM
Major

I'm with ya !!! If I didn't have a pumpkin for a head I'd shave mine ! lol
10-03-2003, 02:42 PM
perco

looks great..

btw, nice case. :)
10-17-2003, 10:21 PM
Cathar

Nickel Plated Barbs:

http://www.employees.org/~slf/ss/3ss1.jpg
10-17-2003, 10:24 PM
SoulEdge

That's the sexiet thing ever! And it's even got 3 barbs :P
10-18-2003, 07:22 PM
chris4521

damn nice block.
but i love the setup of your case, very nice and neat.
congrats on the new block :>
10-19-2003, 12:29 PM
TheWeaseL

I'm curious, why three barbs on the cpu waterblock? I'm not trying to say it's bad or anything, but I'm wondering what you would do with the extra one...
10-19-2003, 12:31 PM
SupaMan

Quote:

Originally posted by TheWeaseL
I'm curious, why three barbs on the cpu waterblock? I'm not trying to say it's bad or anything, but I'm wondering what you would do with the extra one...

one inlet 2 outlets. just more efficient that way. if you look at the block's internals you will understand
10-19-2003, 12:42 PM
antipop

Quote:

Originally posted by SupaMan
one inlet 2 outlets. just more efficient that way. if you look at the block's internals you will understand

In fact the gain of the three barbs is minimal, Cathar tested both desing and noticed there's no gain with the 3 barbs version
10-19-2003, 12:57 PM
SupaMan

ah:)
10-19-2003, 02:15 PM
Asniper

Quote:

Originally posted by Cathar
Nickel Plated Barbs:

http://www.employees.org/~slf/ss/3ss1.jpg

thats one sexy WB
10-21-2003, 08:21 AM
zippyc

My 2 cents....

I believe Cathar’s three-barb design actually gives more flexibility to your water routing choices, especially if you plan to cool the NB and CPU. The fact is, if you don't need the second exit, you could seal it off with little or no adverse affects to your temps.

I run an (up to 600GPH) Iwaki IW-30 to the center inlet of his Whitewater (#41), and then run the lower flow outlet to the NB, and the higher flow outlet through the GPU next.

In essence, the waterblock takes the place of a Y splitter in this configuration, without adding the additional restriction an additional "Y" to your system.

And I gain less than 1C in temps between the Radiators and the GPU (picking it up from the CPU on the way by), so I am comfortable with the temps my GPU sees.

My GPU H2O temp never gets above 107f/42C after 24 hrs of folding, then four hours of continuous gaming (HALO) with an XP1800 cranked up to 2V @ 2600Mhz, and with the 9800 Pro running 470/375 1.8v MB voltage (no volt mods to card).

Those temps may seem high (they are a little), but that GPU and CPU and NB throw a LOT of heat into the system at the clocks I run 24/7, and I have like 30 Feet of 1/2 tubing running through the wall into the other room where the radiators are, and the two rads are in series which slows flow a bit, but not enough to cause concern for me.

I have also used this block with custom four-way manifold before and after, got slightly better delta t's but the drop in water pressure meant that less heat was coming off the CPU and I actually saw slightly higher CPU temps at the same water temp.

If you have the choice of a three barbs and plan to cool both your GPU and NB too, the three barb block is the way to go IMHO.
10-21-2003, 09:39 AM
antipop

Zippyc you're right on this, i thought doing something similar with the lrww (but i didn't bought it and got the cascade instead)
Anyway you can always add a barb later on the cascade if you want (the hole is marked on the plexy)
10-21-2003, 05:36 PM
masta_gettotech

gotta luv that brute force water cooling system of urs zippyc:slobber:
10-21-2003, 10:00 PM
zippyc

Yup, Big Pump! Works good though...

I admit it... I use a big pump. Happens to be very similar in specifications to the one I understand Cathar used in his system with his WW. Are you still using a largeish pump Cathar?

Other pumps I have tried with the WW are:

Eheim 1046, Eheim 1048, Maxijet 1200. They vary from 146 to 305 GPH ratings. All worked great, I found the more flow I had the better the results.

This WW block is designed fron the onset to take advantage of the jetting, so more flow=faster jet=better turbulance=better cooling.

I've seen a guy posting about his new radiators that used a 1200 GPH Little Giant on his WW rig, got unbelievable results too.

Soon I'm going to build my chiller so the radiators dissappear (well, go to the dual hot side loops for cooling pelts), and are going to be replaced by custom pelter block which will get chilled buy 4 to 8 peltiers from both sides, in between two other huge copper blocks going to rads...mmmmmm.....cold water at those velocities should work really well for cooling.....

Been kind of busy house hunting though, so it may be a little while before I finish....Here are those blocks if ya have not seen em.

Man, that is on sweet looking waterblock you got there with those chrome fittings Cathar.

Cathar... I'll shoot you a PM about a block I need for cold water, I wonder how cold that clear top can get without cracking? Need somthing to use with these pelt blocks....
10-21-2003, 10:12 PM
zippyc

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Aformentioned pelt blocks....pic attached

I think I'll need an SS with Nylon everything if it can go -30C or better if the lexan or whatever the top is made of can go that low.

Or the block could require an all-metal composition to withstand those kinds of low temps, and I have an all-copper WW for that.

Fist I'll try chilling the WW with these and see the results....
10-23-2003, 10:09 AM
Nookie420

omg u musta used a gallon of mothers on those 3 blocks, ROFL!
10-26-2003, 10:19 PM
Freezeman

Good onya Slaughter, good to see it working, nice setup in the case too.
I hope to have mine setup soon, got my rad and am waiting on the pump and tank and hose.
Then just wait for Cather to answer my email to a block and i'm ready.