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Just got this "Spy" shot from NVIDIA 2008 Driver Roadmap, i'm not sure about everythign as i can read what you read, but let me tell you that Big Bang I was the introduction of SLI (so i guess this will be big).
http://www.chw.net/images/breves/200...ig_Bang_II.png
From what i can read/ understand
Display Connectivity
Quality Improvements
Performance Improvements
OpenGL 3.0
Source: CHW.net
introduction of SLI eh? I think I'm missing something
What i meant is that Big Bang I was SLI and now there is Big Bang II on the roadmap, since SLI pretty much changed the VGA market my guess is that this will be big
Neat.
I'm going to guess some sort of multi gpu mashup.
Hopefully it lives up to the hype this time and isn't another can of whoopass
Line 2 looks like 'Hybrid . . . .'
Line 3 looks like 'Spring Notebook Cycle'
Maybe SLI 2 will give you a 30% bump in performance vs. 25% making spending $300 a little more worth while. That would be nice to see if it did a bit more though.
Big Bang II - Putting two cores on one die with dedicated GPU interconnect. Yaaaaa ... y!
Yawning after their 'whoop ass'.
I think I detect sarcasm in here, but your second sentence is totally throwing me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Under "Spring Notebook Cycle" I think it says GT200+ something
Also, I don't know if just a card would be "Big Bang II" - if it was a multi-GPU card, it would have to be something revolutionary to get that title unless they want to underwhelm us all
GT200+ sthQuote:
Originally Posted by twilyth
Big Bang II
- Now/WWW sth
- SLI connectivity sth
- Display connectivity
- Quality improvements
- Performance improvements
- OpenGL 3.0
sth like that anyway.. :shrug:
Hey, this is more fun that Wheel of Fortune - except I'm going blind now.
Interesting :)
BiG BanG II is launch of G200 (55nm) graphics card to mainstream (against HD4850/4870), and new flagship ... against HD4870X2 ...
and PhysX for every GeForce with G80/92/200
Thats suppose to be GTX 280...
How do you know that? Or just speculate?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
It's all good, until you realize the slide is about drivers.:stick: I mean, I understand the hardware highlights below...but any talk about software "being ready" scares me. End of September is a far way out yet...
Maybe I should buy more Nvidia stock to add to the shares I picked up at $22 :D. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
2 months is far away? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
When you have guys typing away at code, yeah...it is...because they could be in a mad crunch, and unable to deliver. Let's translate 2 month into man hours...say a nice 35 hour week...x8 weeks...280 hours...that could be a whole lot of great code, or a whole lot of wasted time. And that's just ONE person.
Big Bang II or not, Big Bang I was all bark and no bite for the consumer, and higher profits for nV. Oh, I am so excited, I can hardly contain myself! :p:
if its like big bang1 then hopefully it will go back to 2NV cards to copeat with 1 ati card
but, its most likely the launch of commercial CUDA software
Damn you nvidia. Stop making me hesitate to make the 4870x2 a home in my rig :mad:
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
If we keep the comparison to "Big Bang I", then this is probably something like dedicated physix GFX or some SLI like what is posible with 790G chipset, where you have "master" GFX and "slave" GFX (Integrated GPU), but makes it possible to run SLI.
Big Bang II might be that this possibility is enabled with stand alone GFX of different kind, so that you no longer _must_ buy an identical GFX to the one you got, but you can just buy the newest generetion GFX, and make it run SLI together with your current (outdated) "top notch" GFX.
Would be nice to live out the old hype: "I buy a SLI MoBo, and a single nVidia GFX, and thus I just upgrate with another GFX when it is no longer enough with this one GFX, and put them in SLI." But not needing to buy an outdated GFX, but just buying another GFX from nVidia, and thus being able to run SLI.
That would be nice for us customers, but not likely. They would be killing their own profits, that is not likley with their current financial situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steensen
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Originally Posted by LIKMARK
No, new graphics card and official WHQL PhysX drivers for every GeForce
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Originally Posted by ga1d3n
Thats part of the point of press releases and leaks.....
My silly guess is next week for this ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
what has happned to display port btw?
off topic i know, but no vendor seems to be moving towards it for computer monitors.
sure wish they would, the spec on paper is superior to dvi
SLI was created and introduced by 3DFX before they got acquired by NVidia...Had a Voodoo card back in 1998, was following the infos about SLI...never heard of Big Bang one :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3dfx
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3dfx Interactive was a company that specialized in the manufacturing of cutting-edge 3D graphics processing units and, later, graphics cards. After dominating the field for several years in the late 1990s, by the end of 2000 it underwent one of the most high-profile demises in the history of the PC industry. It was headquartered in San Jose, California until, on the verge of bankruptcy, many of its intellectual assets (and many employees) were acquired by its rival, Nvidia Corporation. 3dfx Interactive filed for bankruptcy on October 15, 2002.
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SLI
The Voodoo2 introduced Scan-Line Interleave (SLI) to the gaming market. In SLI mode, two Voodoo2 boards were connected together, each drawing half the scan lines of the screen. For the price of a second Voodoo2 board, users could essentially double their 3D throughput. A welcome result of SLI mode was an increase in the maximum resolution supported, now up to 1024×768. Despite the high cost and inconvenience of using three separate graphics cards (two Voodoo 2 SLI plus the general purpose 2D graphics adapter), the Voodoo2 SLI scheme was the pinnacle of gaming performance at the time[citation needed].
SLI capability was not offered in subsequent 3dfx board designs, although the technology would be later used to link the VSA-100 chips on the Voodoo 5.
Having since acquired 3dfx, Nvidia in 2004 reintroduced the SLI brand (now for Scalable Link Interface) in their GeForce 6 Series. ATI Technologies has also since introduced its own multi-chip implementation, dubbed "CrossFire". Although Scalable Link Interface and Crossfire operate on the original SLI principle, the algorithms used are now totally different.
display port is an hdmi cable ripoff with a fully encrypted duplex connection with a hash check to make sure that the line isnt tampered with it tops out at 1080P + 5.1 with a 5m cable and is inferior to hdmi and dvi in every way. it also adds about 2-8MS latency to the line making it useless in gaming and in general except for TVQuote:
Originally Posted by strange|ife
so all that it is, is the farthest that copy protection could go without making the signal unusable
That was the "original" SLIQuote:
Originally Posted by Logos4
nVidia's SLI is "Scalable Link interface", and thus nothing with each other to do, except the "brand name".
With 3Dfx it was on PCI slots, nVidia's SLI is on PCI-E slots, and thus much better, since they have dedicated bandwith to each slot, where as the 3Dfx with Woodoo cards needed to share the 133MB/s between the PCI slots, and acknowledged the benefit of AGP's much grater bandwith, and dropped the idea of SLI on PCI.
Sorry for OT.
never heard of concept things ? Intellectual property? Patent? :D No violation in this case, as NVidia acquired the "concept"...yeah your point on PCI>>>>>PCIe is not relevant ;) If 3DFX was still alive, I guess they might have switched to PCIe as well...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steensen
SLI and CF today has more in common with the ATI Rage Fury MAXX, than with any of 3DFX's offerings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos4
NVIDIA could have called it ILS or something completely different, never bought 3DFX, and the end MGPU products and techniques we have today would still be around.
MGPU was not the reason NVIDIA wanted 3DFX. NVIDIA just used the initials (not the full name) from 3DFX, probably because of marketing and PR - not intellectual property.
If there was an issue with rights or IP, then ATI would have to pay up as well, because SLI and CF are the same.
The above is just what I have learned, and I may stand corrected.
makes sense for it to be gt200b and or physix and or cuda, I wouldn't really expect anything that revolutionary.
So OBR is right on this and let's hope for GT200b!Quote:
Santa Clara (CA) - After demonstrating beta drivers featuring GPU-accelerated physics on 3DMark Vantage and Unreal Tournament III (GeForce GTX and 9800 boards), Nvidia is getting ready to release the official Windows driver.
This driver will support PhysX acceleration on all capable GeForce 8, 9 and GTX cards, while carrying Microsoft's WHQL certificate. More importantly, the new ForceWare driver is expanding PhysX support to all currently available PhysX titles on the market, including Ghost Recon 2: Advanced Warfighter, Warmonger and Cell Factor: Revolution.
We expect that downloads of free games such as Warmonger and Cell Factor will actually spike once again in August, since now those games will be playable on a variety of cards.
TG Daily
the whole point of SLI was two cards in tandem.. whether they were in pci slots or agp slots or pcie slots doesnt matter.. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Steensen
all i can see is
First: Quad ****** Release February
Hybrid Shipped Spring
Spring Notebook Cycle
GT200 + ****
Big Bang II-Fall Will Focus on
- Now/WWW features
- SLI connectivity features
- Display connectivity
- Quality improvements
- Performance improvements
- OpenGL 3.0
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Originally Posted by Logos4
Ohhh yeah those were the days .... I remeber my 2 x Voodoo2 and doing the built-in Quake benchmark..it was like Quake on steroids (the benchmark was running about twice as fast than normal)....
I keep remembering that 3dfx add of Voodoo 2 sli - the one with the 2 monkeys. "The power of 2" and "2 is more than 1" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Logos4
Cant believe it was so long ago
The only thing Nvidia SLI and 3dfx SLI have in common is the name. The underlying methods are very different.
its the idea that counts :).
yep :yepp:...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuuubeh
ot: also I had a Voodoo (1) in my first computer (Quake II, Unreal, HL)...I loved the card and I couldn't accept the fact that most 3DFX patents got acquired by NVidia, and the rest of the company bankrupted. Explanations for the 3DFX disaster was that they had a proprietary API (Glide)...yeah, we all know how DX and OpenGL prevailed in gaming very quickly.
If that was the case Nvidia could patent "using multiple GPUs to render a scene" and sue the pants off ATi. That didn't happen right? So no it's not the idea that counts...it's the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuuubeh
Will Big Bang 2 work as HD4870X2 works? with one pcb and 2 gpus and built-in chip witch will act as a bridge between the two Gpus?
Let´s just wait and see what that mighty Big Bang II will be, it can be just another renamed product.....
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Once again, Big Bang does not refer to the release of a new card.
mebe it's them opening up SLI to all intel chipsets?:shrug:
+1 IMHO. Maybe not all Intel chipsets though. ;) Just look at what is posted in this thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by silverphoenix
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Originally scheduled to launch in November or December this year, Intel's Nehalem-based Bloomfield processors will now launch in September along with X58 chipsets, sources at motherboard makers have revealed.
However, the sources pointed out that CPUs and motherboards will not officially appear in the channel until early October.
Since Bloomfield CPUs are not socket compatible with previous Intel platforms, the accelerated launch is not expected to cause competition between the company's own products, although the same cannot be said for AMD's scheduled AM3-based CPU launch, noted the sources.
They've already announced nF200 chips for X58, a bit late for that to be the 'big bang'. You can go find the press release on Nvidia's site.
So what else is it? PhysX on the GPU? Not exactly 'big bang'.
its probably the 9800GTX+ renamed to a GTX 240
Why all the talks about new graphic cards when presentation sheet clearly says Driver Timeline
Maybe because nobody really likes the current ones.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
New HWFeatures (hardware may be )
SLI Connectivity Features
Display connectivity
Quality Improvements
Performance Improvements
OpenGL 3.0
I doubt it, that's not as big of a deal as CUDA going commercial, that could actually change the face of the market, especially if ati takes part in it later onQuote:
Originally Posted by OBR
If big bag II is as big as big bang I.... then we'd need sli/crossfire.... link an nvidia card to ATI! Now that would make heads turn!
A lot has to be said before whatever was being discussed can be considered massively mind blowing....
It's more of a Big Update II than a big bang.
Perkam
Line 1:
Wendy Quest -something in caps- Roadhouse Pitballer
Line 2:
Hi'yall Whipped Appelog
Line 3:
Sping Noodlebrook... feck knows
Line 4:
Nope. Nothing.
Line 5:
Big Bang III - Fullwillipuppetsoh
Thats as much as I can get from it anyways.:shrug:
lol blury on purpose
Maybe their going to have some kind of Cuda ray tracing engine built into the drivers.
thats why i posted what i saw [witch is all of it]Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
Big Bang II-Fall Will Focus on
- Now/WWW features
- SLI connectivity features
- Display connectivity
- Quality improvements
- Performance improvements
- OpenGL 3.0
hehe
its blurry but not impossibal
"Big Bang II" will be a card not based on G80 I bet. (first in 2 years!)
That's the most logical explanation so far. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin2
nVidia...the way it's meant to be renamed. :rofl:
Hopefully something that can run Crysis on 1920X1200, very high, full AA/AF, 60FPS minimum.
I think the Master Chief asked Cortana if she could run Crysis at those settings and then she blue screened :p:
But seriously this more likely seems to be a new feature set update/improvement to the forcewares and future NV platforms more than a new card launch.
i know what it is, the ability to run multi monitors in sli :p
Well that'd catch them up to CrossFire in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71 (Bryan)
Hopefully it's something bigger than multimonitors in SLi. That would just be disappointing. If they name it Big Bang II, it better be big, and not monolithic dies, like the GTX 200 series. Here's to hoping for a nice surprise!
Picture is a fake photoshopped mythbusting nvidia scam.
There will be no whoop ass ever can.
Big Bang I:
SLI introduced
Big Bang II:
SLI that actually scales introduced...
Makes sense to me :rofl:
hmm, the opengl 3.0 part implies a new card, but the big bang names implies some type of new sli.
wiat i meant 9800 GTX named to GTX 240 and 9800 GTX+ named to gtx 250Quote:
Originally Posted by gOJDO
My guess:
-Easier CUDA implementation (Which includes PhysX.)
I doubt they'll release a new gfx flagship line. Maybe they'll make some hints what comes after the GT200b, but thats it.
free performance improvements sounds good to me..
From Inq
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Nvidia's Big Bang II is more of a whimper
Time to stop artificially breaking SLI
By Charlie Demerjian: Friday, 25 July 2008, 4:55 PM
WHAT DO YOU do when you suddenly find yourself in second place, trailing badly with no hope for the rest of the year? You stop artificially crippling your drivers and spin it to the users as magnanimous, welcome to Nvidia's Big Bang II.
The good folk at Chile Hardware were the first to notice it on a blurry slide. The obvious inference is to 'Big Bang', aka the SLI introduction, which was a big deal. Big Bang II is simply not. It is the code name for Release 180 drivers, and they are coming from September 08 to February 09.
R180 has five bullet points, 10-bit displayport support, OpenGL 3.0, SLI on multi-monitors, transcoding on the GPU, and some performance 'optimisations' over R177. Come autumn, they will be catching up to ATI on several key checkboxes, this is a big bang?
The only one in there worth getting excited over is SLI on multi-monitors, and that is kind of a sham. Nvidia will obviously tout it as the greatest thing since sliced bread, but they are just unbreaking the driver. They could have turned it on any time they wanted to, it works just fine in the Quadro line (1). Nvidia hurts their most loyal customer base by artificially turning it off in the normal card line. Why anyone thinks they deserve kudos for stopping breaking drivers is beyond me.
In any case, Big Bang II is a small step forward and it brings a few nice features and one very needed one. It is a real pity that their hand had to be forced to stop hurting users for margins though, but that is the way they operate. µ
(1) I wonder what this will do to Quadro sales, and thus NV margins?
It is a Can of Whoop-Ass renamed to Big Bang II.
My guess is also PhysX support for all G80 and up GPUS. That's the only thing that makes sense.
Nope, it is a can of Jack-Ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakti
I think they've got a new card up their sleeves
Big Bang II
* 75 trillion transistors
* 5400mm^2 Die size
* 1 megawatt TDP
* requires 10 8 pin connectors and a 24pin ATX connector and a solar panel
* The PCB is made from children's tears and endangered whales
I can't wait!
What kinda driver optimisations that this Big Bang II implies ? It's the interesting part for me.
how bout another price cut ? :D
yeah free GTX 280's sounds goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Frananta
it could just mean driver support for OGL 3, nvidia had DX10 drivers before it had DX10 hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
What could be bigger than the SLI launch really? I sense a massive fail :/ lets wait and see I guess...
I would sig that in a flash but it may make me look biased :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by gOJDO
Perkam
You don't need to worry about that, we all know. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
:D:D:D
Indeed! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Can I do the favour? :ROTF: :yepp: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Nvidia's BBII is when all the G84/G86 chips simultaneously combust on that day causing a meltdown worse than Chernobyl and forever changing life as we know it.
Nice (putting on stalker suit)
:lol: What is this ? The Perkam Police or something :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
I don't quite understand the Big Bang II stuff as people seem to be mistaking it for other updates in Q4.
As far as I know though, D11U (GT 300) was originally scheduled for 2009 launch according to Nvidia's older roadmaps.
Perkam
It could have been pushed up due to ATi showing some competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I still think this is going to be software side or chipset side, I don't know why it would be chipset but it would be surprising, and it's around Intel's Nehalem release date from the looks of the roadmap.