Now that gabe is back, maybe we can get a few hints about the new Apogee GTZ?
:D
Edit: forgot picture:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...eeGTZ-x400.jpg
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Now that gabe is back, maybe we can get a few hints about the new Apogee GTZ?
:D
Edit: forgot picture:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...eeGTZ-x400.jpg
Woah lol looks very decepticonish, i want pix of insides not a GTX that has a different cover.
I think its more than an esthetic change since its theire "new flagship". My guess is a finer diamond pin structure. Like going from vanilla apogee to apogee GT.
About time !
And hey, no alu this time it seemes.:up:
You see how far apart the barbs are ... the hard mount... he's going for top performance.
i think it's bogus looking....
not my style
I will say only this: the Apogee GTZ only have two things in common with the GTX, it's name and it's function. Expect totally new stuff under the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
I cannot disclose anything else at this time, other than the fact that the product is really coming very soon. This is no vaporware. We have never done "coming soon" before, but I see that all my competition does, so what the heck..
Seemes as the spacing is about the same as on the GTX...
Totally new? so no diamond pin structure. Wow, now u got me really interrested! exactely what i was fishing for when i started this thread:D
omg gabe is back with vengence!
:up:
this looks like a low restriction block.
lol when i read the title i thought it was going to be a modded gtx, but this is way better. Can't wait!
I like low restriction....
i prefer accelerators. :TQuote:
Originally Posted by eXa
Hmm... maybe it has a stepped base too?
At first I thought the thread title was a typo
I wouldn't call anything on restriction, practically impossible to do without seeing the innards. It probably isn't a bad guess on being lower restriction however.
Must....know...the...insides.....
Hello boys!:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Swiftech is back in a big way :clap:. I can't wait for some testing and internal pics!
:eek: I drooled on my desk...
Damn that thing is sexy!
wooo, lets get someone to kick D-Teks ass!!!
Wow that is nice!!
ok now I have to postpone my purchase of a new block and stay with my GTX until i know what this can do.
approx eta gabe?
Please be an updated MCW60! Please be an updated MCW60! I really like the polished delrin look that these new swiftech blocks have :D
A copper top would be delicious
wow looks like I may have just found a replacement for my dtek V2 unless EK can come up with something new and cool.
Definitely like the looks of it, but if it's as different from the Apogee as you say it is, you should come up with a better name...
Prediction:
Stepped base.
And Glass beaded Pin config, or zigzag matrix of some sort.
add on some Dark matter we got a winner!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
but seriously I can't wait and I hope it's not just an update or slight change but to keep my geeky side interested some totally new design idea lol.
Nice!
Really glad to see some new blocks and very curious to see what the inside looks like..:D
Looks good! Seem like Swiftech got a wake up call :D
perfect timing! i'm planning on going back to water :D
whats the estimated price on this block? $65 like the FuzionV2?
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Originally Posted by Jimmer411
what do u mean?
In addition to the GTZ, he is hoping that Siwftech also releases an updated MCW60. ;)
COOL.
I wonder what the new design will be?
Lol, maybe its pins like the 6000 series, just more of them.
Just like 5000series->apooge, 6000series-> apogee GTZ
:p:
Finally thumbscrews!! I can't remember how many times I've dropped those little nuts/spacers :rolleyes:
Ease of use FTW :up:
Does it really need to be updated? I mean it still performs well even if it isn't attractive looking. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
mcw 60 still uses the vanilla apogee base, just step the apogee GT base and u have an upgrade ;)
That looks Awesome. I am also very glad to see the Thumbscrews. Those screws/spacers/plastic washers made me swear WAY too much..... I'm lovin the new look!!
Great to see Swiftech still in the game. I love their products quality.
However, Nehalem is coming in some 3 months. I don't see why someone already having any of the Apogee GT/GTX/Fusion or other new blocks should upgrade. Unless you have money to spend for just 1-2°C gain.
That can be said of course to all other new blocks getting out these times, not only Swiftech
When Nehalem is out, suerely there will be base plates out to get a compatible mount on new socket for current WB. But, there will be also many new blocks with a larger surface to cover the larger heatsink of Nehalem chips giving better performance.
Anyway, I know you're Xtreme, but my post is an advice for people having already a block and knowing the value of the money they earn ;)
Still impatient to see this block performing. The mounting mechanism looks much friendly also, especially for a tight heavily loaded case
Looks promising! New things are always good.
dang good thing you posted this i was about to buy a dtek!
no eta yet... no test down yet... for those not really in a hurry this is good...
Mcw 30 should be updated :(
Yeah can we have some fins or pins on the base please :D
God, i wish i hadnt bought my fuzion v2 =S
Looks interesting. I think we all have a little love for Swiftech from the days when watercooling really started to catch on. It's good to see some excitement in their product line.
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Originally Posted by systemviper
Are you serious? You look at a block.. it doesn't look sexy in your eyes... who cares about whether it performs or not, right?
All a water block is for is to look good inside a case, right?
We have no performance figures. We have no idea what's inside the block. Yet, you've already come to the conclusion that you don't like how it looks on the outside, and therefore you will never buy it? :shrug:
bah, that's his opinion just like yours is yours. he doesn't like it, point taken. 1 consumer doesn't mean the end of a company.
besides, if this continues we'll be back to the whole aesthetics vs performance issue that feels like the dead horse needs a couple more rounds with a well worn out stick.
It's a friday, let's raise a glass instead and not argue for once. . . skåååål!!
hey, that dead horse insulted my rig. He was asking for it.
nice to see a new block from swiftech :) good step moving away from the alu, would love to see the results and the insides
I am now extremely eager to see the insides. Patience... Patience.. :yepp:
:rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF:Quote:
God, i wish i hadnt bought my <insert newest block here>
These kinds of posts always crack me up. They get even better in cases like this where not a single number of the blocks performance as been released yet, like that mythical .5°C is going to help your OC by 1MHZ.:rofl:
That block looks real sexy. Love the hard mount like on the Fuzion v2.
Wow.:shocked: That block just dropped it likes it's hot! Let's just hope the performance delivers and has low restriction.
True :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Honestly I don't think it'll be about performance with this block. I'm betting that it'll perform similar to the supreme and fuzion, so I think the appeal will come from something other than performance. Maybe it'll be ease of use, price, brand.
Some people unhappy with the fact that they can't use 1/2" compression fittings on their fuzion may want to switch to this block.
Competition among CPU water-blocks is huge, so every detail counts.
It was tough but I kept my mouth shut about this one.
Heard about it a few days ago.. A little "birdie" told me..:rofl:
Now a question for you Gabe, looking at this, will it work on socket 771 like the Apogee GT's? I just see the one mount pattern or are my eyes not working properly?
... Gabe did say it was going to be like nothing ever before.. So i'm going to say that its going to be an internal change.Quote:
Originally Posted by migueld
On some setups, Swiftech blocks have a great advantage: low pressure drop compared to the Fuzion and most WB. On a single loop it doesn't matter, but on 3/8 ID and a multi blocks loop, getting this WB instead of others could be a good choice depending on your setup.
But, I also agree, that if you already have a good WB, no need to change now, especially if you know you're one of those Xtreme that'll get a Nehalem as soon as it is out.
Personally, I'm keeping my old Apogee GT in my current big 4 radiators project. I don't see any reason to change it. 3-5°C enhancement won't increase my current OC at all.
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Originally Posted by IanY
How a block performs is paramount, the most important thing say with in a range of +/- 3 degrees
but since most blocks perform very close to the same in the upper class, which are the ones we're talking about, then YES it does come down to looks...... :up:
I don't like the black derlin blocks, they look industrial. when i think of sexy i think of blocks like the apogee with the copper top or even better the enzotech sapphire below...
http://www.frozencpu.com/images/prod...ex-blc-369.jpg
or the new Koolance stuff...
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/revie...cpu-340_p1.jpg
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._2010_65229279
I am also a big fan of clear acrylic, because i like UV liquids.
XSPC-EdgeAcrylic
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...eAcrylic-1.jpg
EK_Supreme
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/E...supreme_08.jpg
So that is the kind of stuff think i think is sexy
to each his own, but I do like the new mounting hardware on the swiftech block, looks much more solid!
PS, most of the stuff i use is swiftech, the MCW355, the radiators, I use a great Storm Rev2 and also a Apogee GT and GTX, the radbox, the resi's, plus I'm sure i am missing simething...
my main comment was i didn't like the look (except the mounts) I am tired of black Derlin blocks...that is just me...
but I am sure any new products from Swiftech are going to be great additions to the watercooling community...
Regards
Steve
Having seen an Edge in person now I no longer think it's cool. The acrylic on my mate's one wasn't perfect meaning that light was significantly distorted and everything appeared blurry. Looks like Swiffy, Enzotech and D-Tek for me.
I like the look of the block *because* it's industrial-looking and not flashy. All the examples you listed above that were shiny metal or see-through acrylic are just noise...added flare that may not add anything to a modded rig. The GTZ is stealthy...it's like it appears out of nowhere to keep the CPU cool.
Hai, I like it. Only D-Tek have that industrial look and it's nice to have other options.
I'm eager to find out why it's different. Parallel channels for the quad cores?
If you guys stare into the pic of the Apogee GTZ you can see "GTZ" engraved into it.
I've also heard that if you state at a girl's boobs long enough, you can see the inside of a jail cell.
Either that or have a suddenly deeply redened face with finger prints in it..Quote:
Originally Posted by YMAA
Or be suddenly be singing alto when you used to sing baritone..:rofl:
Wasn't too bad for me, I went from bass to baritone. Pleasant change, to be honest.
The outside looks nice, time will tell about performance.
It seems with the workmenship that people have complained about on the resi's and now from what you say about he Edge, they haveQuote:
Having seen an Edge in person now I no longer think it's cool. The acrylic on my mate's one wasn't perfect meaning that light was significantly distorted and everything appeared blurry. Looks like Swiffy, Enzotech and D-Tek for me.
lost some of their luster and it's more of a "wait and see" on thier stuff.
As long as it isn't cross drilled parallel channels with dimpled bottoms and an ultra thin base, I'll be happy... I'm working on something along those lines atm. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
I really do like the looks of this block better than both the Apogee GT and GTX. I may have to buy one to match my MCW60 (isn't that sad that I'm a parts manufacturer yet am too lazy to machine a single block for my own system? :rolleyes:)
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Originally Posted by eXa
I mean that upgrading the base to the same as the GTX and fixing the barb spacing would be a huge plus. Also making it a bit taller so that it clears ramsinks would be lovely as well.
dude, all i meant was that it looks better than my (coming) fuzion, i dont know about the performancd, i couldnt care less if it would had performed slightly worse or slightly better, i just like the looks of it better than of the fuzionQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
dont need to flame me, thx for tha diss man, real nice :down:
DD with brass top is as industrial looking as it gets :PQuote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
Is that a hint..?Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
HARD MOUNT FTW
Gabe it's fantastic to see swiftech coming out with some new stuff.I'am very excited!!
Looking forward to a updated mcw60 :) maybe?
you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
you know what, im boycotting XSPC after reading this. Now i need to go back to that skulltrail board and tell her to forget the xspc.
The block reported by martin performs so good, but lately XSPC's QoC is run by a bunch of monkeys getting high off guava juice.
yea, they seem to be getting worse not better..Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Yeah :(. I wonder if anyone at OCAU will have issues with them as Flabbergast is getting their stock soon. My friend ordered his from the UK [along with other stuff]. I think he is mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
I've only got the XSPC DDC top and while the machining isn't great, it's not too bad.
Now that's sexy. It seems a little light-weight player, but I personally hope we'll see a new champ here :)
damn, the new block looks nice, the old one with a copper top is better though. I always liked swiftech's stuff. Does anyone have a clue if there will be another version with an copper top too on this GTZ? I would love to see new design!
Not better pressure drop than a stock fuzion, although it's getting pretty close to the newer Fuzion V2. Actually most of the center inlet types will have lower restriction because you split the flow and reduce the flow rate over the pins compared to a side to side or corner to corner flow path like the apogee series. There are many blocks with lower restriction though, DD MC-TDX, XSPC Edge Acrylic, Fuzion V1 stock, and I think the Fuzion V2 Stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Once you start adding nozzles to the Fuzions or have a block with nozzles like the EK Supreme, or AC DI, that's when restriction really becomes high.
Anyhow flow rate and restriction are not that important, I'd be much more interested in thermal performance.
That we don't know, heck we don't even know what it looks like internally, so we don't know anyhthing other than it's a new product.:shrug:
Flame? You consider that a flame?.......meh, I'd better stop there before I get in trouble again. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 71 (Bryan)
Point is/was, someone always posts almost those exact words every time a new block is released shortly after another.
well maybe not a flame but still bra, wasnt cool on your part
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Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Ok, smile, shake hands and say to one another that perhaps a poor choice of words and lets get back to deciding who is going to go out, kidnap Gabe and tickle him till he posts a pick of the insides!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by 71 (Bryan)
chill foo's its water time.
Sorry, guess my amusement didn't come through in my second post. Move along, nothing to see here.:wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Sorry, I removed your name from the quote and tried to make it as general as possible without targeting anyone in particular. Didn't realize you were so sensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by 71 (Bryan)
btw, I'm not your bra...or bro, I'm just a PITA.
No problem, just trying to fulfill my chosen role in life as peacemaker.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
When this Block will be available on retailer.
My guess is 2-3 weeks..:wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by fibua
No offence intended to Gabe, but I think it looks naff and horrible. I don't like all of the black screws etc. and I especially don't like the black top. I think it would look alot better if the black top was silver coloured, and you kept the black background to the logo.
Posssibly. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
Probably?
im liking the looks of it but indeed the black top doesnt match nicely..there is too much black in the equation..id love to see a copper top for it..that would look amazing
Man there are too many interested in the looks of things. I could give a rat's ass what something looks like as long as it performs (in this case, outperforms). My opinion is that the GTX was a dog (sales wise) because Swiftech was too interested in looks and used aluminum to achieve that goal. Looks are a far second place in my book.
Idd. I wouldnt even thouch the GTX with a 10foot pole.....