What do you think?
It should be available by the 1st week of July.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1...magetopgb3.jpg
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What do you think?
It should be available by the 1st week of July.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1...magetopgb3.jpg
Looks good :up:
Hopefully this board will preform close to, if not better than the rest.
IP45 Pro
Intel P45 Based LGA775 ATX Mainboard, FSB1600
Dual DDR2 1200, Dual X8 CrossFire, SATA RAID, IEEE1394, HD 7.1,
Silent OTES & μGuruTM Tech, Vista Premium HW Ready
Specification:
CPU
�� Designed for Intel® latest 45nm processors with
1600MHz FSB
�� Support Intel Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Quad &
Core 2 Duo & Pentium® Dual Core & Celeron
Dual Core
Chipset
�� Intel® P45 / ICH10R Chipset
Memory
�� 4 X 240-pin DIMM sockets support max. memory
capacity 8GB
�� Supports Dual channel DDR2 1200/1066
Un-buffered Non-ECC memory
LAN
�� On board PCI-E Gigabit LAN controller supports
10/100/1000M Ethernet
Audio
�� On board 7.1 CH HD Audio CODEC
�� Optical S/P DIF Out, RCA Out
�� HDMI Audio ready header
Expansion Slots
�� 2 x PCIE X16 (Support DualX8 CrossFire), 2 x
PCIE X1, 2 x PCI
Internal I/O
�� 1 x Floppy Port supports up to 2.88 MB
�� 1 x ATA 133 IDE connector , 1 x FP-Audio
�� 6 x SATA 3Gb/s connector
�� 2 x IEEE1394, 2 x USB header (support 4 ports)
Back Panel I/O
�� 1 x PS/2 Keyboard
�� abit OTESTM
�� 1 x S/P DIF Out, 1 x RCA Out, 2 x eSATA
�� 7.1 CH Audio connector (Front, Line-in, MIC-in,
Center/Subwoofer, Surround, Rear Surround)
�� 8 x USB 2.0, 1 x RJ-45 LAN connectors
�� 1 x IEEE1394
�� EZ CCMOS Button
Serial ATA
�� 6 x SATA 3Gb/s offer by Intel® ICH10R support
Intel® Matrix Storage Tech(AHCI & RAID0/1/5/10)
�� 2 x SATA 3Gb/s offer by JMicron® JMB363
support up to 0,1,JBOD RAID function
IEEE1394
�� Supports 2 Ports IEEE 1394a at 400Mb/s
abit Engineered
�� abit μGuruTM Technology
�� abit Silent OTESTM
�� 100% Low ESR solid capacitor
�� Quick Power/Reset button
�� EZ for CCMOS button
�� Right angle SATA connector
Form Factor
�� ATX form factor 305 x 245mm
�� PCB Color: Blue
RoHS
�� 100% lead-free process and RoHS Compliant
Accessory
�� 1 x Driver CD, 1 x English Manual
�� 1 x Jumper Setting Label
�� 1 x IDE cable, 1 x FDD cable, 6 x SATA cable
Looks AweSome........:up::up::up:
Looks like a good board.:up:
It's about time they put some decent cooling on the pwm's. The p35 pro with a q6600 is terrible.
From working with both the Abit and Gigabyte P35 series, I definitely prefer Abit. And the ASUS boards I've tried really weren't all they were cracked up to be.
DFI DK series isn't available here in Aus, so best bang for buck is the IP PRO.... and the 45 looks impressive Mr.Nathan :up:
ps. can it update bios safely thru windows yet :rolleyes:
what happened to IP45 Max ?
+1. Only complaint about my IP35 Pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by fluke420
That's a contradiction in terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corsa
Yes this board looks good. Tell me about the power circutry for the CPU is that an 8 phase PWM circuts?
Any idea of the price point?
Yes mate it is eight phaseQuote:
Originally Posted by chatmaster
gilgamesh
That´s funny ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WrigleyVillain
Seems good but the chipset cooler is a bit too bulky for my tastes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbitUK
My vote goes for the dfi
The thing I most dislike about heatsinks these days--they all have a "top" cover. I think it looks stupid and it interferes with airflow directly on the board. I have a heatsink tower, meaning that on my IP35-E, the northbridge has less airflow. I have a 36cm side fan on my case--meaning that all air flows directly down to the board. I would personally prefer if those "top covers" were removable, since not many enthusiasts seem to be using after-market heatsinks that have air flowing down.
Quote:
Originally Posted by chatmaster
Not 100% on price point yet, so would rather not say, I am sure it will be online by the end of the month.
Yeah, one of the reasons I bought the rampage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
is there any chance of abit going digital pwm and multi phase ram (i cant load the top image all the way so i cant tell on the ram)
sexy :D
wheres the cmos reset switch? I like it, if I had money to throw around or needed one I'd pick it up. But why are the heat sinks covered with logo things? Can you pop them off easy I rather have some airflow hot them
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbitUK
I thought this board was digital PWM, just like the IP35 series.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
What is the difference between digital PWM and non digital PWM?
+1 againQuote:
Originally Posted by fluke420
can this board concurrently run a vga card at x16 and a RAID controller at x8?
pci-expres 1x has a terrible layout.
^^:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Agreed, why can't companies stop looking at pretty and start looking at function. Use an old fashioned cooler that we can screw a fan into or God forbid, have the company do it that way and not a wimpy fan but something of substance.
All my boards have fans on both NB and SB and no heat issues.
If you want tgo have that plate for the masses that use the board stock then fine but attach it in a way where it can be removed.
Maybe some nylon hold downs that can be cut and tossed..
Other than that nice looking board..
I think u will find that the top covers on heatsinks are there for legal reasons...
If it OC's anything like the IP35 PRO did, this will be a winner.
Hopefully this improves on the IP35 PRO and can yield some high FSB on Yorkies.
IP35 PRO never scored top marks for OC, but man it a breeze to use and abit uGURU was awesome. One of the best values was the fact that you could adjust the PWM fans to your liking, something only ABIT lets you do :)
Fingers cross for a great board so ABIT stays around.
If it's better in terms of FSB overclocking with the 45nm CPUs, has more options available in BIOS, and better voltage regulation, then it'll be another success story, even bigger than the IP35 Pro's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Check out the (angled) picture you will see it there.
Sorry, I have no idea but i reckon the answer will be no.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corsa
People have been know nto update safely though windows. However I never recommend it, always update through msdos its safer and you have a better degree of control.
No matter how good a windows flash utility is, it will always be more safe to flash using msdos. The reason for this is that there are thousands of variables to that could mess up the flash in Windows.
gilgamesh
IP45 MAX is the ddr3 version that will be coming out at around the same time i belieiveQuote:
Originally Posted by rusty
gilgamesh
Is this board digital PWM or not digital? (IP35 uses digital PWM)
IP35 is analogue PWM, IX38/48 is digital.
Looks like IP45 is analogue.
i don't think that is correct...the last i saw it is going to be IP45 GT3 as the ddr3 version...and...the ddr2 version will be the IP45 Pro...the MAX stays with X48 chipset unless they abandon making an X48 board.Quote:
Originally Posted by gilgamesh1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=6430
That's right. Wonder why so many people believe the IP35 Pro has digital PWMs?! I mean it's very easy to spot... boards that use digital PWM have one (Abit) or two (DFI) phase/pulse chips and not those square blocks (one per phase).Quote:
Originally Posted by Heidfirst
IP35 - 4 phase analog
AB9 QuadGT/IN9-32X max/IX38 - all 5 phase digital pwm
IP45 Pro - 8 phase analog
Beware of the IX38 though, my Q6600 killed two of them within a month because they can't hold the current, an Abit rep. inofficially told me at Cebit that the board was designed for a max of ~80A drawn. Of course, my Q6600 was way above that (as is any overclocked 65nm quad, for that matter), I think it drained 126A according to the µguru reading which is actually quite accurate.
About the IP45 Pro, I think it's perfect. If they took the IP35 pro, made only small adjustments to bios and pimped the power circuitery and cooling, then this mobo is gonna rock.
The IP35 pro is one of the very few mobos out there that really work flawlessly, something that is hard to find in today's market.
[QUOTE=Movieman;3056206]^^:up:
Agreed, why can't companies stop looking at pretty and start looking at function. Use an old fashioned cooler that we can screw a fan into or God forbid, have the company do it that way and not a wimpy fan but something of substance.
My abit pro is still going strong after a year, but I got to say I still take the cover off my backup computer and look at it http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...el+Motherboard it just looks so cool. :) But the new Abit looks kinda cool :)
the reason for your two boards dying is that you maintained a 100% on all four cores with a very high overclock...and that my friend, wasn't the design of any board, at least not with the IX38.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Damn Ace, you must be the most hardcore Abit fan I know :D
Like I said, I spoke with the Abit rep at Cebit and he kinda admitted the PWMs were underpowered. Come on, 80A is nothing and will be reached with almost any 65nm CPU as soon as you go over 3Ghz. And I say it again, 3,6Ghz isn't a "very high overclock", at least not here at XS. So if it holds 2 weeks at 3,6Ghz, it holds 2 month at 3Ghz, nothing more. What do you think your QX eats at 4Ghz? Less than 80A? I don't think so ;)
And yet the IP35 Pro holds... it might squeal a bit and Vdroop but it holds, even though its PWM circuitery is weaker then that of the IX38... in theory.
I do love Abit, but the IX38 just isn't a good board for overclocking. Sorry but that's the way it is... I'm not all happy with my DFI, but at least it keeps holding at 4Ghz 24/7...
My IP35Pro's been running my Q6600 at 3.6ghz for a long while now, and I fold so it is constantly loaded. I love my abit, I have only 2 complaints, 1 is that the esata is really finicky and 2nd is I had an older P965 quad gt, when I RMA'ed it took 1 month to approve RMA then another close to 2 months to get it back after I sent it out.
the digital pwms turn on and off in a square wave so with 4 or more u can tune it so that its constantly at a solid voltage, but analogue it makes a wave sign, so its harder to properly tune so its got more fluctuationQuote:
Originally Posted by chatmaster
ok...i might of been a little hard on you:D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
but...holding four cores at 100% core load, 24/7 at 3.6 ghz overclock, is very tough on the board...did i remember incorrectly your posting that you were doing a 24/7, 100% core load at 3.6 ghz overclock?
i like abit very much...i just wish they would speed up their marketing process for all their upcoming boards.
Awesome, GO Abit GO. :up:
I recently read that Abit will be getting out of the motherboard business depending on the sales of the P-45 boards. Is there any truth to this?
I really hope they fix the Vdroop problem that the IP35 Pro suffered soooo badly from :shakes:
There was a whole thread on this nonsense. Anyway, here's the copy/paste for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by davewolfs
This rumor has been denounced by abit. (Source.)
Thanks to Nelly for posting this @ the abit forums. Move along...nothing to see here. :horse:Quote:
Univeral abit denies quitting motherboard business after intel P45
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We managed to catch our PR contacts before they are off for the day. Their immediate reactions is that we should not believe in such rumours.
Thore Welling, Universal ABIT Global Marketing Director points out: “ abit is a well established and strong brand within the enthusiast and high-end motherboard and components industry. In fact, particularly over the past 12 months we have been able to considerably increase market share not only in traditional markets such as Western Europe, but even stronger so in emerging markets such as East Asia as well as in the Middle East. Therefore, the broadening of our product lines into the Consumer Electronics (digital photo frames with integrated photo printer {FunFab} and MIDs) segment represents a stronger commitment to the overall brand and the continuation of our motherboard concept into other products. abit stays committed to motherboards and has a broad lineup of motherboards ready, as you will see in during Computex.”
Guys call me crazy, but it looks like the actual CPU socket itself is copper. Am I just seeing things? Is my monitor adjusted wrong?
-Collin-
good news on 8 phase analog!
hope this board performs, and is priced under 200..might just upgrade before end of year for the heck of it, have this CC laying around..need to use it!
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
my ip35 pro has been at 3.6 for a year now?
or are you talking about other boards
No, you were correct, it was 3,6Ghz with the IX38. I run boinc on any and all rigs 24/7 if possible. Now running the same CPU at 4Ghz under SS on the DFI... it eats 250W under prime and ~220W with boinc (CPU alone, lol). But the DFI holds, thank god :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
@strangelife: Read again - I'm talking about the IX38 dying ;)
well...your "soooo badly" assesment of the vdroop is overblowned for the IP35 Pro...just to explain this again...you DO NOT measure Vdroop by figuring the difference between bios set vcore and full load vcore...the difference should be measured from Idle Vcore in windows and then full load Vcore in windows...that said, i had a maximum of 0.04 Vdroop under full load at 3.8 ghz when i was doing a P95 event..RESPECTABLE vdroop in my mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Quote:
Originally Posted by davewolfs
it is amazing how this crap starts...if i were to venture a guess, it was proably a competitor trying to shake confidence in Abit's tenacity to compete...if you start hearing that they might get out of the board making business most likely people would possibly not buy the last board.Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
obviously Abit is putting the 'hurts' on one of its competitior especially after the success of the IP35 Pro...IMHO, it is the best P35 board out there!
Abit should hire you Ace. :up:
grin:D
I wish Abit would actually post details on their website of the P45 motherboard range at least. How are they supposed to gouge interest in their products if their isnt any official details on their website. :confused:
Hell they havent even published on their website details for the Abit X48-Max yet, their marketing dept need replacing. :down:
We dont even know exactly when any of the new products are going to be released, when is the X48-MAX, IP45-PRO, IP45-MAX etc going to be released?
I dont honestly know if I can be prepared to wait another month, two months, three months when other manufacturers are already releasing their motherboards.
I'm not gonna change my mind on the current heat-pipe solutions.Under-performing, cosmetic crap springs to mind.
Hope the board overclocks quads well though,thats my next upgrade....:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbitUK
i am hoping AbitUK is in the KNOW!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
i just emailed Taiwan sales and marketing...asked them to come to this thread and give us some info.
here is my email:
Quote:
SUBJECT: IP45 PRO AND IP45 GT3
over here in the USA and UK, many of us are getting impatient about the release dragging on with the two subject boards...please be more pro-active in getting out release dates to the USA.
if you can come over to FUGGER's forum website and post the expecting release dates for the UK and USA, i am sure that it would help with your sales and image.
here is the link to the IP45 Pro thread at Xtremesystems.org forum: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post3069076
sincerely yours,
will Abit answer us?...that is the question of the day!
I look forward to the reviews on the IP45 Pro. But please, uncover the NB & SB so we can get some decent airflow on them.
My IP35 Pro runs 24/7 @3.51Ghz with all four cores fully loaded (WCG). This is one sweet board and my thanks to Ace for helping so many people get the most out of the Pro. :clap:
Stop playing the Abit SHILL Ace and remember, your not the only one to have owned the IP35 Pro so enough of the condescending replies :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Maybe Alpha one refers to Vdrop...
Vdrop: When you select a Voltage setting from the BIOS, and the real voltage applied is less than the selected voltage
Vdroop: If the voltage flunctuates from idle to load, then the difference between the idle & load voltage value is named after Vdroop
Really hanging out for the release of this board, Why are Abit the ones who are so poor with their marketing?
DFI have a x48 DK model that is supposed to be digital PWM and from the photos I cant see the controller chips like you see with the lanparty UT.
Man, you lot are vultures :eek:
I have been on the road for a couple of days and look what I come back to :shrug:
I will read it properly tonight once I have finsihsed the day I am paid for :D
The general sensus I got was you want to know where our P45 range is.
Well, It is due to be released next week
I will be working on getting everyone up and running with images,specs and prices this week.
I have just chased our web team to find out why and when.
Speak later
Regards
Nathan
Ok.i am waitng for info from Nathan. hurry up Abit!! we want this mobo in our hands. lol
need info on gt3 version and the price hopefully.
They really didn't need to make the SATA connectors parallel to the motherboard. They took a terrible design and carried over to the next model.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Yes, I am also waiting on info for this. I didn't realize the PRO version worked with DDR2. This will replace my IP-35 PRO in my long term crunching #2 rig. I will ask June the Taiwan marketing rep tonight for info on release dates as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbitUK
Ace - Did you hear back from your contact yet?
i am not on the inner circle of abit...in fact, not even in the "circle"...LOL:D
to answer your question, no reply on my email to sales and marketing in Taiwan...i see that AbitUK is going to give us some difinitive input very shortly after he gets over his surprise on how an angry group of hardware buffs can be!:D
man...a bit sensitive about my comment when you or whoever used the "soooo badly" phrase...don't you think that is a bit hypocritical!:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Dude...you are tops in my book for all you did to promote the IP 35 PRO....I actually got in trouble recently when I RMA'd a board and forgot to remove the bolt mod....had it there so long I thought that's the way they came...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
imo most people prefer it that way & certainly other companies seem to be doing it more too.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoman24v
of course if you have a case that has little room & the HDDs are hard up against the connectors then yes, it's a pain but so is not being able to use ports because a gfx card covers them up ...
many thanks for the very positive words.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly_Boy
that is funny...but hey, abit finally figured out that you had your heart in the right place; you were just trying to maker the board better.;)Quote:
....I actually got in trouble recently when I RMA'd a board and forgot to remove the bolt mod....had it there so long I thought that's the way they came...:rolleyes:
any news about the release date?? i want this mb asap :cool:
My ABIT contact is saying 2 weeks...Quote:
Originally Posted by tarantul
All models released at the same time or 1 by 1.
I'm really hoping this will be able to handle the extra power of OC cpu's unlike the IX38.
Any news yet, IX48-Max still not in shops anywhere.
I'm interested in the Abit IP45-MAX, but if the Abit IP45 Pro is released sooner, I'll stick with DDR2 besides DDR3 is pretty much a waste of money.
Ace. . . did you get a reply from Abit, I bet you didnt they never reply when I've e-mailed them in the past.
Keep this up Abit & most people will get fedup & buy alternative motherboards. :down:
Just got this bit of info, not sure if its accurate.
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Originally Posted by dctokyo
eeeeh, i think DDR3 is faster; maybe slightly, but faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
NO!..no reply...typical i guess.:down:Quote:
Ace. . . did you get a reply from Abit, I bet you didnt they never reply when I've e-mailed them in the past.
Keep this up Abit & most people will get fedup & buy alternative motherboards. :down:
I have official word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
release date of ip35 pro (ddr2) has been put back to week 26 (2nd week in July) max version one month after:D
Ehup Nelly!
gilgamesh
No company is going to tell an individual consumer things that they aren't willing to release more publically as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
Just noticed this, I'm guessing this is Pre-Order:-
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/acatalog/ABIT_775.html
Abit IP45 Pro 775 FSB1600 DDR2 Dual X8 CrossFire SATA RAID IEEE1394 7.1 Snd Motherboard
Manufacturer Code: IP45 Pro
Price: £91.00 (£106.93 Inc VAT)
Yeah your right, about 2-3 fps in games & thats if your using 1600 MHz (PC3-12800) anything less is a waste of money, as a comparison - Here in UK:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
1066MHz PC2-8500 (DDR2) - £74.73 Inc VAT ($148.52) :up:
1600MHz PC3-12800 (DDR3) - £182.07 Inc VAT ($361.86) :down:
2.1 volts vs. 1.8 volts, around 10 Watts difference, no big deal there either.
To put things in context, I could sell my 8800GTX & buy an ATI HD 4870 for the above price difference & gain between 10 - 40 FPS in games at 1920x1200 resolution.
It's not that, they could have acknowledged Ace's e-mail with a reply even to say they don’t have the info yet out of pure curtsey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heidfirst
lol, I'll believe it when I see it *waits impatiently* :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gilgamesh1
I wasnt waiting for the Abit IX48-MAX but it's been a total shambles in terms of them releasing this.
2nd week in july... whats the hold up?
Hi all,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
It looks like you have the answers now from Gilgamesh,,,,thanks mate.
Not a moan...
For those of you that think contacting HQ will get you anything but frustrated, take a word of advise from someone who has been working for Chinese and Taiwanese companies for around 7 years now.
DON'T DO IT!
If you haven't got a working relationship with us, it's not happening, if you have got a working relationship with us, your under NDA!
Like heidfirst said, no-one is ever going to tell someone outside of our company on a whim, what our strategy is.
You could be anyone. We may have an issue. There are many more reasons but I best stop there.
Next time try saying your Bill Gates, that might work!!
Anyway, I understand your frustration, please be patient, I am sure most of you are waiting on the reviews to come out and I can assure you that reviews will be posted here within days of their arrival.
Sorry for the delay
regards
Nathan
i am sorry mate but that is weak tit excuse for a piss poor company strategy for lack of communication and marketing!...i appreciate your trying to make us understand but it falls on MANY deaf ears here in XS!Quote:
Originally Posted by AbitUK
My first thoughts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
NOISE ≠ FUNCTIONALITYQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Try to look beyond yourself and XS. You should take a walk over to SilentPCReview.com forums to get some perspective.
Abit has the best BIOS fan controller for a reason.
I agree completely with the non-bold parts however.
This is now on abit's site, glad I couldn't get the Ip35 Pro yet.
http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/mothe...&fMTYPE=LGA775
glad they finally got the message from their customer base.
I can see this is going to be an expensive year for 'puter parts. !st had to ditch the Tracers after 4 rma's. Then I just had to get 2 wd6400AAKS's to do the Matrix thing. And then ATI just had to release the 4870. And now I read this. Oh well, you gotta spend your $$ somewhere :shrug:
perfect way to spend your stimulus check:D
That would be great except my Wife already spent Her's and Mine :shrug:. Only thing about this board I question is that the pciE slots only do 8x in Xfire. Is that the same on the X48's? I ask since maybe one 4870 can lead to another down the road. It seems to some that the 8x will bottleneck the 4870's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
can I get one for tests ? :D can I ? say I can :D gimme gimme :ROTF:
Why aren't they releasing a x48 board?
if it's on ABIT's website, does that mean retailers have gotten stock, or is it just a teaser and won't be released fro a couple more weeks?
I've seen it in one shop ;) was cheap like p35 but now its @ "normal" price :(
PCIe 2.0 has double bandwidth as PCIe 1.1, so dual PCIe 8x is quite the same as dual PCIe1.1 16x. There won´t be a bottleneck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pntgrd
That is really too bad ;) I am trying to find some reason to not HAVE TO get one of these. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by JuliM
Lol:D
What legal reasons? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Corsa
I just dislike it--and open-top heatsinks allow for both top-down heatsinks and larger fans to be used. I would rather not have to pop 40mm fans into my case just to get better airflow over the Northbridge. Seriously--how hard is it to use simple heatsinks that go with both airflows of top-down coolers and tower coolers?Quote:
Originally Posted by krille
By the way--Movieman is a cruncher--basically every computer he has is running 24/7/365 doing WCG. HE has different needs. If I was in his position, I'd still want all open-top designs! They're simply more functional for all types of systems.
Yep--I dislike boards that come with a fan at stock (remember initial nForce i780 boards? Ref designs had active NB cooling). I wouldn't have such a problem if you have a choice and it works pretty well either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Anyways--I've never bought replacement cooling for anything but processors--and when I did it was something good.
so far, no show in the USA...i checked newegg, motherboardpro, clubit and ZZF.