Atom-vs-Celeron-vs-Core-2-duo

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05-21-2008, 02:34 PM
XS Janus

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Article and pic found at:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/21/m...-atom-cracked/

original but translated:
http://translate.google.com/translat.../0519/msi2.htm

They tested the upcoming MSi Wind PC.
Actually the scores are not so bad:
05-21-2008, 03:05 PM
Monkeywoman

its not a controlled test. they all should have the same ram and OS, then benched. those results dont mean anything.
05-21-2008, 03:05 PM
Eastcoasthandle

Not one setup the same, yeah that's how comparisons are done. :p:
05-21-2008, 03:09 PM
XS Janus

True it looks like they just benched whatever they had at hand :D
At least it's something to start with...

Power figures told here, if you can make heads and tails with this translation:
"Checker watts of power consumption, WIND PC in a low-load about 30 W, 35 W, high-level load, Eee PC 4G-X is always about 15 W, hand VAIO type SZ VGN-SZ90PS (Core Duo T2400, Intel 945GM Express Chipset, GeForce Go 7400), a low-load about 30 W, 60 W, high-level load. デスクトップPCとしてはかなり低い値で、Silverthorne搭載の携帯端末ならこれよりもさらに低くなる。 Desktop PC is much lower value, Silverthorne-equipped mobile handsets are also more would be lower."
05-21-2008, 03:48 PM
grimREEFER

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkeywoman

its not a controlled test. they all should have the same ram and OS, then benched. those results dont mean anything.

i think the asus one's are too slow to run vista. well, the 4g definitely, they might have been able to use the 900 though.
05-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Frank M

Quote:

Originally Posted by XS Janus

Power figures told here, if you can make heads and tails with this translation:
"Checker watts of power consumption, WIND PC in a low-load about 30 W, 35 W, high-level load, Eee PC 4G-X is always about 15 W, hand VAIO type SZ VGN-SZ90PS (Core Duo T2400, Intel 945GM Express Chipset, GeForce Go 7400), a low-load about 30 W, 60 W, high-level load. デスクトップPCとしてはかなり低い値で、Silverthorne搭載の携帯端末ならこれよりもさらに低くなる。 Desktop PC is much lower value, Silverthorne-equipped mobile handsets are also more would be lower."

I'll give it a try:
Wind PC: 30W idle - 35W full load
Eee PC 4g-X: 15W on all loads
VAIO: 30W idle - 60W load
The sentence full of kanjis and kanas probably means that the desktop
version of atom, while not really power-hungry, still has a higher
consumption compared to the mobile, which should be much lower.
Dunno, there are some unknown kanjis and words there, might be off.

Checking the source again, it seems your quote has the last sentence
twice: the original and the google-translated. So then I was not that
far :D

Also, things like this make me want to laugh & cry:
Windows EKUSUPERIENSUINDEKKUSU.
A couple of strange blinks later I checked the original:
Windowsエクスペリエンスインデックス
Read: Windows Experience index :ROTF:
05-21-2008, 03:53 PM
m^2

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimREEFER

i think the asus one's are too slow to run vista. well, the 4g definitely, they might have been able to use the 900 though.

Then they should test all with XP. :rolleyes:
BTW I'd like to see how Vista crawls on Atom+slow drive+not so much memory :D
05-21-2008, 04:05 PM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank M

Also, things like this make me want to laugh & cry:
Windows EKUSUPERIENSUINDEKKUSU.
A couple of strange blinks later I checked the original:
Windowsエクスペリエンスインデックス
Read: Windows Experience index :ROTF:

Priceless :rofl:
05-21-2008, 04:11 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimREEFER

i think the asus one's are too slow to run vista. well, the 4g definitely, they might have been able to use the 900 though.

vlite ^^ maybe.
05-21-2008, 04:36 PM
STEvil

Now we need some numbers to compare to VIA's recent CPU's.
05-21-2008, 04:56 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

I'd like to see clock for clock tests.
05-21-2008, 09:10 PM
foch3 -USA-

But what will that prove? if one cpu can clock higher in the same TDP as another shouldn't it be allowed to.
05-21-2008, 09:39 PM
p0tter

Im running a D201GLY2A w/ 1GB DDR2, 4GB CF flash on a nlite'd xp pro for a work project. Ill give pcmark a run tomorrow and play along, even though its not a laptop :)

http://www.mini-box.com/D201GLY2A-kit
05-21-2008, 10:03 PM
stayfrosty

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

I'd like to see clock for clock tests.

So would I, I have the feeling that core 2 would come out on top in terms of speed tho.
05-21-2008, 10:15 PM
Eastcoasthandle

Isn't the Atom more about efficiency then performance? If so, it really doesn't make sense to compare it performance wise.
05-22-2008, 01:26 AM
Frank M

Quote:

Originally Posted by p0tter

Im running a D201GLY2A w/ 1GB DDR2, 4GB CF flash on a nlite'd xp pro for a work project. Ill give pcmark a run tomorrow and play along, even though its not a laptop :)

The processor is a CelM220, Conroe-L ULV, so the performance should
be close to SC Conroe-Celerons (4x0 series)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Isn't the Atom more about efficiency then performance?

Yeah, design a 45nm CPU for low, 1-4W max. consumption, then pair
it up with a 130nm NB that has higher consumption than the CPU...
well done Intel :wth::hitself:
- sorry, I just can't get over this part...
05-22-2008, 02:03 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank M

Yeah, design a 45nm CPU for low, 1-4W max. consumption, then pair
it up with a 130nm NB that has higher consumption than the CPU...
well done Intel :wth::hitself:
- sorry, I just can't get over this part...

yup i dont get it why they dont use a 945GM(U) (7W TDP), the 945G has a TDP of 22W... lol
05-22-2008, 02:11 AM
saaya

very nice! :toast:
05-22-2008, 04:58 AM
XS Janus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

yup i dont get it why they dont use a 945GM(U) (7W TDP), the 945G has a TDP of 22W... lol

It could be that they still have a lot of those chips laying around.
I know they have a s775 miniITX boards comming that use G45 are HDMI and GBe cappable!:up:

I guess it would be a no-brainer to pair them up with Atom.

But IMO they will wait with that a while...:(
05-22-2008, 06:45 AM
fireice2

at least this comparison would give us an idea on how these things will perform out of the box. ;)
05-22-2008, 07:27 AM
bedlamite

Well, that's quite obvious that CPU with IOE is slower than OoOE one...
But still I like this design and would gladly see such Atom in my next notebook ;)
05-22-2008, 07:40 AM
bowman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

yup i dont get it why they dont use a 945GM(U) (7W TDP), the 945G has a TDP of 22W... lol

Yeah, did you see the first Atom motherboard?

Larger, actively cooled heatsink in the middle, Intel southbridge-type passive heatsink off to the side..

You'd assume the actively cooled sink is on the CPU. It's on the northbridge. The Atom has the passive southbridge-sized sink on it. :rofl:
05-22-2008, 07:49 AM
leomax

Id love to see an atom coupled with a mb which has pci-e.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowman

Yeah, did you see the first Atom motherboard?

Larger, actively cooled heatsink in the middle, Intel southbridge-type passive heatsink off to the side..

You'd assume the actively cooled sink is on the CPU. It's on the northbridge. The Atom has the passive southbridge-sized sink on it. :rofl:

yea, :rofl:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9981/iso21000ed4.jpg
05-22-2008, 08:08 AM
Frank M

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

yup i dont get it why they dont use a 945GM(U) (7W TDP), the 945G has a TDP of 22W... lol

The 945G is for the desktop version, the laptop will have a lower
consumption model.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XS Janus

I know they have a s775 miniITX boards comming that use G45 are HDMI and GBe cappable!:up:

I guess it would be a no-brainer to pair them up with Atom.

Maybe, but they wont: Atom's chipset is Poulsbo.
G45 is IMO too expensive even for Atom, and it wasn't designed for
low consumption unlike Poulsbo. Also, Poulsbo has hardware video
decoding/acceleration.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowman

Yeah, did you see the first Atom motherboard?

Larger, actively cooled heatsink in the middle, Intel southbridge-type passive heatsink off to the side..

You'd assume the actively cooled sink is on the CPU. It's on the northbridge. The Atom has the passive southbridge-sized sink on it. :rofl:

Ouch... epic fail.
05-22-2008, 08:43 AM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank M

Ouch... epic fail.

yupp, perverted.
05-22-2008, 02:53 PM
RaZz!

Quote:

Originally Posted by leomax

Id love to see an atom coupled with a mb which has pci-e.

yea, :rofl:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9981/iso21000ed4.jpg

lol!

this is the first time ever that the heatpipe will most liekely not transport heat away from the cpu, but rather to the cpu :rofl:;)
05-22-2008, 03:51 PM
dunn2953

why dont they do a 45nm shrink of the G31 or 945, seems simple enough