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Is back in the news.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame...?id%3D8637
Moved from WCG section
Movieman
I read the article a bit, but why is he our friend? :shrug:
He's being sarcastic.;) Movieman can tell you how much he loves Mr. Baker.
That pr**k is the main reason we left Rosetta@home :shakes:
Now you better go change the topic before Movieman sees that ;)
(or he might have a heartattack)
Ok, enough said, I was thinking right then. Thanks for the clarification. :up:
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Originally Posted by sierra_bound
:rotf::poke::hump::hump::hump:
Baker is a ........ Pr@ck!
Now lets be nice..Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
You can leave out the highlighted word and still describe the gentleman..:D
The guy is very smart but just doesn't have any people skills. That simple.
Fixed.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Dave. people skills? I can't find the link. but I've said this before. Theres a video out there on the great tubes and boxes we call the internet, where he gives a lecture about that project and refers demeaningly to the volunteer crunchers (ie US) as children, and laughs and jokes about the idea that we have to satisfy the children and pretty much pi$$ed me off.!
People skills? Bahaaah.
<raises hand.............umm who is he?
http://foresight.org/about/Images/Baker_Drexler_sm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by phelan1777
Hes the :banana::banana::banana: on the left. He runs the Rosetta@Home Project. A good project by all accounts and very successfull with the annual CASP protein project. I think we run Rosetta WU's also on WCG on one of them projects.
He's just a fool and pandered up to the jealous people with P3's, and those who crunched SETI. he also, critically, refused point blank to declare that we weren't cheaters. And he had many oppurtunities to do so.
So Mr. DDTUNG and the rest of us decided to give him the proverbial two fingers and moved away from Rosetta.
There are still people who crunch Rosetta for XS and I respect that decision. And I've also defended the idea of berating Baker in the Rosetta XS subforum as I beleived it to be unfair to the current members there, some of whom are also on this WCG team.
hmmm it seems to me, that if he has to bother to pay attention to the issue of "cheating", why because someone may produce more points then he?
Then, maybe his focus is misdirected?
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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
Here is the video:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...dyChildren.jpg
I may still have that video and if memory serves me it was Rob Smura that sent me the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
Yes, his "children".. Insulting at the least.
Just another example of someone who lives a sheltered life who is clueless as to what the real world is.
Trust me, my BP is much better since we left there and if I ever happenned to meet this pr*ck I'd probably introduce him to my right hand just one time.
What a scum bag. He even uses an Apple? :sofa: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RSmura
you were too slow! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Would that make him a mac-pric?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
Watching this video gave me a different feeling than you guys... Probably because I'm a french speaker, but the "needy children" thing did not bother me much... What bothers me is more the whole video : he's talking to other scientists about us, like if we knew nothing about what we are doing... Like : "It's so funny to see people begging to help science, they are dumb people who just can't achieve the intelligence level that we have, but we said 'OK, you can participate by giving your CPU cycles'... and guess what : they ate that, the whole thing, so we get more computers for free than what we could ever buy!!!"
I feel like if the other scientists were as geek (is it the right word?) as him, they would have started to laugh near the end of the video.... but no, seems like the audience respect us, and they didn't fell into the joke Baker was telling with a smile...
He sure looks like one :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by RSmura
I agree that is how I felt when this all happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archetype450
I agree with you on this - did seem like the audience didn't agree with him... GEEK is the right word but in the context you would use a y at the end so he was "geeky" (what is that... a (past-tense) adjective as in you could also use slimy, greasy,a-holey:D) ... as you can tell I like grammar but as I type I don't always do a good job :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Archetype450
I remember the guy and the bs. :rolleyes: He lacks a bit more than people skills. :D Don't think anyone cried when the Teddies left either. :rofl:
If someone as honorable as DDTUNG felt slighted by this man that is proof enough for me.
But I would prefer to call Mr. Baker a....Crapweasel!
Very well said.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Archetype450
There is a distain for the "people" that he needs to accomplish his work.
Now in that way of thinking should I look down on someone who doesn't have the talents that I do? Of course not. We all have our areas of expertise, areas that we know a little about and areas where we are clueless.
It doesn't make one person better than the other only different in their knowledge base.
This is where he shows himself to be a very "small" person despite his intelligence level. It takes more than that to make a well rounded person.
One other thing that he just truly missed is that the people who come to help on projects are usually what I'd describe as very "giving" people.
The ones that I call "good hearts"
This is really a major flaw in his character and in the long run is his loss as he loses the interaction with some very good people.
ick he uses a mac. he's a horrible public speaker, from that video i dont perceive him as "smart" or educated. he seems like a cheap skate, he used the SETI program for rosetta, because he couldn't create his own program? and from RSmura's link in original post, he created a game so other people could do his work and find a new protien structure?
i say we stamp reject on his forehead and push him in front of a heavy moving object (bus, train...)
Nothing more than your standard academic. I'm not sure if anyone has heard my views on academics here but there's many a rant on the net posted by me about how I feel about academics. By "academic" I do not mean those dedicated persons working their butts off to help people, I mean snotty, pampered, cowardly, outright Báltaí, bitseach, cac ar oineach...David Baker Téigh trasna ort féin who slander those who work under them. A lot of credit for many, many discoveries should've gone to the grad students who actually do the work, not the jerk sitting in the chair.
He even looks like a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: in the picture and I know nothing about him...
Where's the movie link? Did it get deleted?
I don't know the guy but he - or at least his researchers - gave a nice mention to WCG in a paper last year
see http://biology.plosjournals.org/perl...o.0050076&ct=1Quote:
The size of the calculation is significant and is estimated at 12 million CPU hours, or 1,350 CPU years. This calculation was performed on the World Community Grid (WCG) parallel grid computing facility provided by IBM (http://wcgrid.org).
Plus, it was another reasearcher - Bonneau - who blew the lid off of the apparent scam at grid.org. Can look for the posts from last year if anyone is interested.
? the big pic that looks like film and has a photobucket logo in the bottom rightQuote:
Originally Posted by twilyth
Didn't load first time I looked - or second. Lot of disk activity atm, so maybe that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 64dragon
Why would want to insult any self repecting heavy object by getting his crap all over it?:shrug::rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by 64dragon
Beat him with his mac book?Quote:
Originally Posted by fart_plume
nah, make him live with my ex that set me on fire....................
I always try to focus on the positive things, and what comes to mind, is that i kicked levi's A$$.....maybe my memory fails me...whatever....i choose to remember it that way.... (ok...i got help)
:D
OH , and some guy leading the project, that didn't know the world is bigger than his ego.
So I guess....wait whaaaa fart plume's ex set him on fire? Was she lighting a smoke while you were letting one rip?
God no, then we'd have lost the whole state!:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by WrigleyVillain
Eh, scam? what scam?Quote:
Originally Posted by twilyth
my bad. we can make him pull your finger...or you can pull your own finger and be facing him so he gets hit with the full force of impact :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by fart_plume
I wouldn't waste a perfectly good plume on that walking bag of fertilizer(no insult intended to fertilizer,lol)...................
It was suspected that UD was sending out busy work towards the end. In fact I think they had actually admitted to doing this at some earlier time, but claimed that this was no longer true. However when someone asked Baker why Grid.org hadn't been mentioned in the article (the one where WCG was mentioned), Bonneau responded to say that it was because they had not done any significant work on the project and the work they did do had to be redone anyway. But it wasn't a reply on the forum, it was an email to one of the members so there was some question about whether the supposed email was genuine. A few weeks after this UD shut down their distributed computing operations.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
No, actually I was trying to stop her drug use and her cheating on me with her dealer. Never get between an addict and their drugs.........:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by WrigleyVillain
This um guy uh speaks uh like uh this wtf......
yea, the world isn't all rosy..Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Sometimes a cloud enters your life and it's your character that pulls you through.
Night all.. Sleep calls.
When that guys speaking in the video I cant tell if he's trying to be funny, or insulting or informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
from the very start of the clip he belittles SETI who gave him the software to begin with. he just doesn't appreciate anyone.
But that's the truth, LOL. No really, I noticed that as well. He could've been a little more thankful.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
ouch! he works at the UW. (U-Dub) we call it.
David who?
DDTUNG:cool:
Sounds like JAIAH to me. (just another ignorant a-hole).
:rofl: Good one.. Cracked me up.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by DDTUNG
Well whats to say on this? I have heard the story behind all of this and I suppose its just another instance of one mans vanity blocking the thorough Fair.
I have found that in Lif the 2 Hardest things to do is to Achieve Balance and Harmony and also deal with Different Peoples personalities and their Vanity:yepp:
Never knew there was some past history into this? Haha, based on that video, I really don't get the impression he is intelligent. As someone has pointed out earlier, his oral skills is pretty disappointing and it is made even worst when he is lecturing and/or giving a speech to an audience. Poorly articulated I would like to say. And his mentality on this whole project is totally whack, I don't think he even has the right mindset for these kind of things. It is a pity on his behalf.
I'm slightly confused here.
Baker fires up Rosetta project a while back, most of the old timers here crunch rosetta.
Baker pisses "us" off (this is the part I'm unclear about, did he just not give proper credit, or did he accuse "us" of cheating?)
XS's rosetta members defect to WCG, where we are today.
I'm certain there is more to it than this, but this is what I managed to gather from reading through this thread.
Forgive me if I got something wrong, but I only want to know the history of the crunching team I belong to :p:
Yea, still a bit sketchy, would like to know what happened about this David Baker fiasco. Something about optimised WUs and how Baker was afraid of offending people when the fact that he did not act/say something offended more people instead. I only comprehend a part of the big picture.
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Originally Posted by SafeFire
While I hold David Baker in the same negative light as most others here I find it amusing that some of these people are blind bashing someone whom they know little to nothing about..granted in his case it is well deserved.
Basically back in the day, we dominated R@H, led by one Mr Baker, someone from SETI@Home had made optimized files which increased the benchmarks of BOINC... we all used them and coupled with the substantial overclocks and dedication of the team, we stomped a mudhole in every one else.. similar to what you folks are doing here in WCG.... however some people got their panties in a bunch and called us cheaters, there was a lot of hostility between several forums/teams/chats and Ultimately we the folks who were giving David Baker the majority of his support were "betrayed" by him.. he refused to support us at all in... basically batting the blind eye... this is after some of the more esteemed members of our team contacted him directly.
You'll notice or have noticed that DDTUNG's signature used to have a line to the effect of " I left the optimized files on 3 P4's sue me" ... this is about R@H and what happened there.
Bullet. his sig still has it there. And also You were reading my mind. i was gong to repl;y to this thread by saying "Check out DDT's sig LOL"
You know how hindsight is 20-20?
The deal is that we here at Xs lived in a small part of the Dc world.
Our competition had always been "local"..IE: Free-Dc and the Dutch Power Cows.
Since both those teams used the Crunch3r BOINC files we did also.
In our 'little world" all was well and fair.
We didn't compete with any of those other teams and quite frankly didn't care about them or pay attention to them.
Then along comes a few people from other teams with the "cheating" comments. Most of the ones doing the name calling didn't do in a year what the average guy at Xs did in a day.
I kid you not on this. I remember researching what this one guy with a big mouth doing the name calling was actually contributing to Rosetta and what he did in 6 months I did in a day and this is pre clovertowns at my house.
Just 2 DX systems at the time so it's not like I had any sort of big farm.
He actually was running app 20 Boinc projects and was scheduling each to have app an hour a day on what would best be called crap machinery that you or I would use for a doorstop.
As the cries from these people increased I emailed Dr. Baker with a polite request that he come to his own forum and make a statement on this one way or the other. Had he said that the Crunch3r files were cheating we'd have pulled them as I assure you, to win by cheating means nothing.
It has no value at all and I have never understood those who do cheat in any of lifes endeavors.
Dr. Baker didn't respond to my email and I questioned myself as to whether I'd said it clear enough so after 2 weeks I emailed him again and I said it very clear but still politely.
Still nothing from him so I said it in his forum but still he wouldn't respond.
The last week we were on Rosetta I spent 4 days in a row close to 20 hours each day trying to resolve this mess as I did beleive in the program and thought it was some error on my part communicating that was causing the problem. By the end of the week I was fried emotionally and physically.
Just too much stress and too many hours.
It was at that point I figured I'd done all I could and saw his inaction as lack of character.
That is what caused us to leave Rosetta.
Plain and simple..Lack of leadership at the projects end.
There were some things that happenned after we left.
Dr. Baker didn't want to talk to me as I beleive he saw me as a hard liner who wouldn't back off so he contacted DDTUNG as a "end around" play to avoid me but found in Victor someone who wasn't going to play that game.
Then he went to Fugger but Charles stood up for us as he beleived in what we were doing.
Last Dr, Baker posted here in the Rosetta section and that thread got very nasty and very fast.
The frustration of 2 months of being called cheats all came out at him from myself and others. Not a good night and my temper did show.
I told him plainly that " Your project is worthwhile but you are not"
That is the true story of what went on and why we went to WCG.
^^^ Thats not far off the mark actually. Myself and Haltech had a right old time on the project forums unfortunately. LOL
It was not a fun two months and the last week was a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
That German kid I would have strangled had I been able to get my hands on him..
(Disclaimer: Just figuratively speaking):rolleyes:
It was not an orchestrated move to WCG . Noone was ever told to stop doing R@H.
But a lot of us joined WCG (around august 2006) and that was the beginning of our little team.
Actually we did take a vote at the time amongst the top 50 people on the team but yes, no one was forced to leave Rosetta.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
As always, freedom of choice is the key.:up:
That is correct there was a vote and Yup freedom of choice is free, hence why i'm free to choose to post here whenever i want ;) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
You guys here in the WCG section have matured quite a bit over the year or so, I remember when I would post here and everyone would get all uppity about something i said...
Good work :toast: :up:
That's because you said something uppity!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by bullet2urbrain
LMAOFOTF!
Moving this thread to the Rosetta section where it belongs..
Lol. Ya I was been sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
And there was also that older yanks dude too. I remember the avatars. The stupid avatars.
@Bullet & Movieman: Ah, that was the missing link. Thanks for the explanations :)
It is weird to know that a cause as simple as lending a hand to the search for a cure can turn into a full scale conflict.
I'm glad to know the history of my crunching team, what happened here and there. Yet, when I joined up, I did so because I wished to help people, heh, so much more to it than that.
Perhaps in time, I'll find my own place amongst the ranks in the WCG team, but for now, I'll focus on crunching :)
Speaking of which, I've got a ps3 coming in in a few weeks time, which will surely do it's job.
That PS3 would be for f@h I suppose :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SafeFire
Was nice reading this thread, I knew what happend I was around already just not active and I didn't remember everything.
I'll keep doing f@h though :up:
rotflmbo! 64dragon, I almost spit dew all over my monitor...
im waiting for you int he wcg team to beat you again with or without help :D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frisch
because i love turtle pie :yepp:
Wasn't that turtle soup? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] leviathan18
Turtles joining WCG, would be like serving food for free.......:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] leviathan18
They stopped serving us as soup, after several complains about shells appearing in the soup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martijn
God, that was hurtful to type....:(
:D
Turtle pie.. lol
well the turtle pie and soup are excellent for real, in fact you eat the soup in the shell