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Heatspreader is soldered onto the core
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Heatspreader is soldered onto the core
Damn thats a bummer. I was thinking about removing the IHS on my 6400+ BE for the chance of lower voltages with lower heat. Not sure if I should give it a shot or not.
I think lapping the IHS would be a safer idea. You can still get down very thin without running the risk of crushing the chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenWall
Is it good or bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Bad, he just killed his processor.
It was already dead
Ah, thank god. That would've sucked.
That's beyond naked. Was it a 9600 BE? What killed it in the first place?
Yes it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
How did it die?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
I wouldn't say soldered, very likely looks like a heat activated glue pad. Either way it wouldn't make it any easier, you'd still have to find a way to introduce an even heat, hot enough to deactivate the solder/glue/epoxy without frying the chip.
Yeah, I saw one a while ago posted online comparing Intels MCM with AMD Native, but that showed the cores cleanly without heatspreader.. :confused:
That must have hurt. Good thing it was already dead...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Pretty disappointed that it's soldered. bad bad AMD :shakes:
It's not intended to be taken off - why would AMD be bad?
btw FYI Intel has been doing this for longer period.
I think AMD shoudn't solder indeed.
From one point if view it's understandable, people can crush a core way sooner if they remove the IHS.
On the otherhand, which fool would RMA his CPU without IHS because the core is crushed and except a new one... As soon as the IHS is removed it's very obviously so the increased chance of broken CPU's wouldn't cost AMD any RMA stuff. Actually, people would buy a new one so it's only better:p:
@ BrokenWall, 6400+'s are soldered too! Not sure but I think almost all AM2 X2's are soldered.
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Just saw the pic, looks like glue pad yeah. Like used on RAM heatspreaders whicxh tend to rip off IC's. If another one dies, try to heat it and take it off :P
Bah. Pansies. CPUs don't need the silicon die to run, they just need MOAR JIGGAWATTS.
Any advice on how to heat the CPU up? I actually have another dead phenom on my table :D
How come? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
What error is it showing (does it start briefly and then keep restarting before POST)?
Is it by pushing 1.8V into it trying to match early review oc's? :p:
I heard ovens work perfectly fine for baking dead CPUs...no really :D
If you're wanting to take top off, it looks solid glued that won't weaken off till plus 150C, some heat gun exposure and then dipping it in acetone based nail polish remover will weaken that adhesive quite a lot. I used to use Z-7 Debonder after this to totally get rid of it, softens it up and lets you sludge it off. You'd need to dip it in there whilst hot though.
i took the soldered head off mine x2 and it still runs, but not any better then before, no better temps as well...
if you want i can post pictures of the process, looks horrible ;)
as far as i know only the f3 windsor are soldered.. and i think its good as it really optimizes the heat transfer... as long as the ihs are even.. but this way amd is better off then intel..
Better tell me how you unsoldered the top :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
BTW the oven idea sounds cool - need to make a retention so the HS will just fall off when it's ready :D
Actually this solder is really soft - I can remove it from HS with my nail
Ewwww, naked Phenom! Scarred for life. :(
used a small heatsink, put it onto the cpu's top with as5 and then burnt it with a pocket soldering torch..
before you have to cut the glue and then use 4 razor blades stuck under the ihs to hold the cpu such that it can fall down when the solder is melted..
it melts the moment you really think now your cpu is burnt to dead..
have you tried using a hair dryer set all the way up?
Gently cut the epoxy all the way around.....Then get acookie pan and heat it up on a stove burner say 350 to 400 should do it...
Put on lots of thermal paste on IHS and then holding sides of the PCB with Long Plyers/BarBq Prongs work too:D IHS DOWN set it to the Pan...The IHS should fall off in about two/three seconds...make shure yo pull it straight up and then turn upright so heat can rise away from core....Clean up excess solder with razor very carefully...
Note: do not spill Beer on hot chip or use breath to blow on hot chip ..Whereass you can crack the Core....dOnT AsK:rofl:
Thats 300-400 Fahrenheit right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gOtVoltage
I saw this video on how to fix a dent in a car. Don't know if it's applicable;)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/501379...ith_airduster/
i'd suspect hairdryer is not hot enough.. pan-frying method sounds as horrible then burning with a pocket torch..:eek:
whatever, i think its completely useless as in my case i neither got better overclock nor better temps.. won't do it again..
but if you like the adrenaline, you can try.. i'd think it's an effect comparable to a bungee jump at least :D and i think bungee jump is safer :p
i'll look for some pics :D
you are really brave trying this :clap:
too bad it doesn't result in lower temps...
but maybe that's good for we can get lower temps without putting our cpu at stake.
Naaah!! screw that soldering :banana::banana::banana::banana: :down: where did all the fun go :confused:
:rofl:
Remember unlidding my Opty 165, that was scary. Need to be a adrenaline junky to do this. Congrats for doing it without destroying the cpu though.
BTW: That's one big die!!
hehehehe it was hot and smelled like burning plastic, my body was shaking and honestly i was a bit surprised that it booted like always after that procedure :D
it was an desperate attempt to getting more plausible temps and perhaps better oc, my dfi was showing me 18°C core 1, 24°C core 2 and 28°C cpu diode idle, 38°C core 1 45°C core 2 and 75°C cpu diode under full load :eek:
but afterwards still the same... these temp measures are totally useless..
I saw someone do this. They put a blob of thermal paste in the bottom of a pot. Then they stuck four razors in the CPU, one on each corner, to pull upwards slightly on the core. Then they stuck the CPU down on the thermal paste, IHS side down, and pushed down a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Fired up the stove. Heard a few snaps, IHS was free. :)
Lol, it's not that they're bad, just that this is slightly disappointing. I'm just bitter because i didn't expect AMD to go down this route, especially as the BE is designed for OCing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
karbonkid: i'd appreciate better temps with ihs more than a worse temps that becomes better if ihs is taken off..
best case is good temps with ihs, ok no tweaking that direction anymore, but if it runs cool without why do you call back the old days??
what i'd appreciate are more accurate temp readings, far more important for oc than an ihs easier to take off but with horribly bad thermal paste...
Because I'm strange like that :p:. But yeah, I guess you're right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Yeah, AMD really needs to sort out its issues with temp. readings - have the Brisbane temp. sensor issues been solved with Phenom?Quote:
what i'd appreciate are more accurate temp readings,...
AFAIK, AMD used to use Shin-Etsu Microsi (G-571 is what they used to recommend using on Athlon XP, but by the time A64 came around, I wouldn't be surprised if it was newer, and better, stuff) under its lids, and that's good stuff, better than AS5 imho.Quote:
far more important for oc than an ihs easier to take off but with horribly bad thermal paste...
mmh thats new to me and surprising as i never really trusted in that crumbly dry paste..Quote:
AFAIK, AMD used to use Shin-Etsu Microsi (G-571 is what they used to recommend using on Athlon XP, but by the time A64 came around, I wouldn't be surprised if it was newer, and better, stuff) under its lids, and that's good stuff, better than AS5 imho.
but i dont know, can be that you're right, as i always wondered why amd is ruining its processors with a bad paste.. perhaps it wasnt that bad ;) :up:
at least it's symmetrical?
stop pushing volts to those phenoms! they wont do 3 GHz, so stop trying :p
honestly: why so many dead phenoms?
Maybe this methode works:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/402/2/
:) :) No doubt AMD put the BE out for the OCing experimenter, but I doubt either AMD or Intel expect (nor intended) people to pry off the IHS just for that extra few degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by karbonkid
The interfacial mate between die and IHS is important that both players engineer the best thermal transfer process into their packaging for that technology.
It's only disappointing to the point that we cannot pry the damn thing off :)