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not so bad? all the guys pumping the 8800GTS and bashing the 9800GTX, you might want to wait for the price next time. the 9800GTX might be well worth it for its better cooling and higher overclocks!
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what do you mean bs, They do have a point, the X2 isn't that far ahead of 8800GTX in scores. Well, I wouldn't call it cheap since the 8800GTX are the same price right now. Maybe I'll just upgrade to the 9800GTX so I can get all the fancy 9 series things like better HD encoding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
reasonable price imo, is more viable for 3 sli than the ultras
Only thing that upsets me is that they stuck with a 256 bit memory interface, the 384 on the 88gtx made a huge difference for crysis
is no one else less than impressed by the 128shaders?
So you call a $350 card cheap? :rolleyes:
Now what NV will charge for GX2 version? :down:
I'm less than impressed by the whole damn product, never mind the shaders.
No, what less than impresses me is that the 9800gtx (without ocing taken to account) is actually kinda a downgrade from the 8800gtx because it has the same shader count but less memory bandwidth. Of course g92 scales far better than g80 ever could and so the extra mhz will come in handy for those who like to benchQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
That 512MB framebuffer decision nV took for the G9x GPUs will backfire...especially with the 9800GX2.
Some of todays' and future games will fill it up easily and beg for more... and then...performance hits...
But then again...this is how they're trying to keep the Ultra alive ;)
Thanks but I'll keep my 2 G92 GTS's.
That would be a lot more of a valid argument if the Ultra wasn't EOL. Since when have nVidia ever let sentiment stand in the way of profit?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
EOL or not, there are stores with Ultras in stock...and they don't want to keep them on the shelves :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
You may also want to wait for the real price, aka @ e-tailers, before jumping the gun...:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG87
I highly doubt the 9800GTX will be priced under $350, $399 sound much more likely.
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Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Fixed for added relevance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
Price sounds reasonable to me, as long as there are rebates etc available.
Still not regretting my $170 gts that arrives today tho :D.
At cebit we've heard manufacturers say 699, 599 and even 499. Most likely: 599€Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
you guys understand that there is no way a 384-bit card would be this cheap. nvidia and ati finally realized that they aren't selling many $500+ priced graphic cards, and they are lowering the price for almost all of their line up.
look at ati, every card they offer is less than 300 dollars, except the top of the line 3870X2. and now the same with nvidia, every card they offer is less than 400 dollars except the top of the line GX2.
big difference from the 8 series release, where the GTS 640 was 500, and the GTX 768 was 600 at launch! it gave the average joe no chance to get an 8800 series card!
this shows that the GPU market has gone too far with prices, is stagnant, and they need to lower prices. remember, for every 1 of us there are 100 average joes that prefer a cheaper GTX as opposed to a 600 dollar GTX.
we are back to geforce 3 and ati 8500 prices. and its about time.
$299 sounds nice actually. an overclocked 8800gts with opengl 2.1 for the price of an overclocked 8800gts.
i still hate how they decided to call it a 9800gtx, when 9700gtx would have done fine.
Not impressed at all by the 9800GTX. Really not impressed by the 9800GX2 and its $580 price tag.
I'd pay $300.00 for one. These could end up being real nice overclockers. Tri-SLI? Yeah that might be a nice deal too. Let's see how close they come to that price.
It all depends on the pricing. The 3800s didn't offer any better perf than the 2900, it was the pricing that made them attractive instead of another disappointment. If the 9800gtx really comes out at 299, everyone will be singing its praises, 399 and everyone will be dissing it.
Actually from testing in the 3D section,Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
When you overclock both cards, the G92 smokes the g80.
Because the G92 can overclock much further, much easier.
fantastic card :up: :clap:
I will get one:D
Still. I'd rather pick up another 8800gtx (if their prices go down around $200-$250) and try tri-sli so I can run Crysis at 20fps (I know it's an optimistic estimate ;) )
Price it correctly and they will sell. $300 to $350 would be a very good launching price and let it settle around $300 to $275 in a months time and these will sell like hot-cakes. With the HD3870 priced below $200 and the 8800GTS 512MB priced below $200, there is no room for a $400 single-GPU card now unless it brought monster performance, which it doesn't.
for under $300, I'd be in for 2... we all know better though. We'll be seeing a $400 pricetag at launch. At that price? No thanks!
I'll keep rocking my single 8800 GTX knowing that even though my 3dmark scores may not be the best, my FPS in game are just fine :D
Why dosn't the 9800gtx has 768 or more ram?
Costs more to produce. Quite a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houdini
If this 9800gtx is supposed to be cheap does that mean that not only can I step-up my EVGA 512 gts's to a supposedly better card but I could get money back too? WHOO the best of both worlds. :P
because they will release a g92 variant with 768 to 1024mb of ram (or 2gb) on a 384 or 512bit mem bus, with 32 or 48 rops and 256 shader units later this year. It will be called g100 or gt200 just another "G9x-XXX" code. Its the perfectly plausible design suitable for this chip architecture that people have expected for over a year now. It's release will coincide with that gladiator/thunder/rv770 at some point this year, however I assume it could have been rushed out last November if the market demanded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houdini
(and a 1ghz core and 2.4ghz memory-or faster- gddr4/5)
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Originally Posted by Hobbes2oo
You NEVER get money back from a step up... read the rules first before you Step up !!
can you please give me you're definition of "smokes"? you seem to throw that word around alot.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Uh how so? Partners are free to stick 1GB on the boards if they choose, and they happen to simply be doing the same thing with 512MB reference that ATI did. How will it hurt NVIDIA anymore than ATI?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
love my 8800gt :D
that slipstreaming on the 9800gtx cooler cowling makes it go faster!!
wont 2x9600gt's "smoke" this thing anyway?
9800gtx = 8800gts512 ultra, imo, but that's already been opinionated by others
this is like watching snails in the design tweak departmentQuote:
because they will release a g92 variant with 768 to 1024mb of ram (or 2gb) on a 384 or 512bit mem bus, with 32 or 48 rops and 256 shader units later this year. It will be called g100 or gt200 just another "G9x-XXX" code
:yawn2:
but i shouldnt complain...
why have two when you can have one with the posibility to add another?Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
let's see 9800 sli with all the prerty graphs; some reviewer will get around to it sooner or later.
stuck right next to 8800gts512 sli....
oc and stock
i agree a [200-250$, i wish] 8800gtx does sound good. vs 350$ 8800gts ultra....but these sorts of prices are pretty reasonable.
even dual gpu cards arent nearly as expensive as previous top end cards (like 8800ultra/8800gtxon release and before that x1900xtx, x850xt, 7800/7900's, 9800xt's)
but no where near the relative gains in performance of these previous top end cards either.
If the 9800GTX is $299, there is no way they can justify the $200 on the 8800gt. When that goes down to like $150 it will be sweet!
It will definately fall. They've been $180-190 AR for a while now, so after the release-month price gouging on the 9800s the 8800s wil probably drop substantially in price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunner611
:D certainly looks that way :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
while stifling performance improvements:ROTF: and 'forcing' the desperado's to go multi gpu.
but i dont think there is much room to move in nvidia's pricing/lineup...all price segments are being filled up with inbetween products...
I really begin to wonder if PC gaming is heading towards its death and slowly companies like NV and ATI are starting to realise that huge R&D for extremely fast hardware that only a handful of customers buy does not make sense.
Multiplatform games are upon on us and considering that all of these titles must run on PS3 and XBOX360 (heck even wii for some), I really do not expect graphics and game features to go to the extremes for the few of us that would pay for something like that.
Lets be realistic here folks we are facing a worldwide economic crisis do you you honestly expect people to spend 2,000 $ for graphics cards when at the same time more and more bad news regarding oil prices, collapsing housing markets and ever rising oil prices threaten our economic welfare as a whole? I don't think so. In this sense companies adjust their product mix accordingly and will save their very best for when it is needed and right now NVIDIA does not need a G200 product but the best cash cows it can get; hence the 9800GTX (G92) with a new high-endish name to attract new customers at its new more in reach price point.
Just a theory...
if anything we're OVER 8800GTX prices. think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG87
if nVidia launched a card which was twice as powerful as the 8800GTX. it'd be $600 and the GTX/GTS512 would go down to $150-200.
Clock speed is the only thing that looks impressing but even then... My card far surpases that. Unless they have the voltage up to 1.3V on the card for the core eh. Rather wait for ATI's offering first. At least when ATI went from the 2900 to the 3800's they brought something to the table, by reducing power ALOT in the card. Going from the 8800's to the 9800's yes power dropped a little but limited performance gain doesn't seem to be a stellar buy at all expecially since 8800GT/GTS can OC very nicely and the old 8800GTS and GTX have the more mem and quicker buses.
The bads out weigh the goods in this deal unless they end up being cheap.
from what i know, the difference between the 98GTX and G92GTS is like the 88U and 88GTX. So nvidia better play smart and make the 98GTX pretty cheap.
what happend to the 2048mb version of the 9800 ??
Very true, with "newer" and "upcoming" technologies, I would like to see a 512-bit memory interface.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
True, $350 could buy food for a family for a week, but I was personally expecting a $600 price tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
I was expecting the GTX name to be raised even higher, some amazing "G100" core, 1GB GDDR5 memory, 512 bit 1TB monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Did you even read the quote?In a sense, nomatter how you spin it, this card with its 256-bit bus is a downgrade to the 8800GTX. All the OC'ing in the world does not save the bottom line(stock performance) and also does not save those instances where the 9800GTX's performance takes a nosedive in the face of G80 thanks to its narrow bus. Nvidia knows this, as I've said a billion farking times the reason is the GX2; a 384-bit 9800GTX would take one nasty hack at the GX2's purpose and sellability.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
here in portugal pre-order = 290€ (so i think around 340$ in US)
regards
cheap ? so they are selling same 8800gts 512 for 349 which you can get for 239 in newegg and call it cheap :down:
maybe all 8000 series should be EOLQuote:
Originally Posted by eric66
and only :
9600GT
9800GTS
9800GTX
9800GX2
if not you have 5 nVidia cards in the 180$ -349$ range
9600GT
8800GT
8800GTS
9800GTS
9800GTX
:shrug:
regards
512BIT BUS width is... not necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
First of all, we already have fast GDDR4 ( and GDDR5 ) RAM that can give us more than the "required" bandwidth combined with a 384BIT BUS.
It also costs a lot in transistor count.
384BIT and faster RAM = cheaper, efficient, and easier to manufacture.
Seriously. I can see $419 as being the realistic price. And, if they go out of stock due to a *possible* high demand, the price will get jacked up even higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
I will wait before trying to deduce more conclusions.
Fix'd :DQuote:
9800GTX is CRAP
if it is 350$ that would be great, b/c then i could step-up for free :)
Well, the g92 prices are dropping, 8800GTS is under $250, and $8800GT is under $200
So $300 for 9800GTX 512MB isn't thaay bad, bute $280 would be better.
and $330 for the 1gb version
and $400 for the 2gb
i say
IMO to be a genuine upgrade from the 8800GT 512MB, you need to go for a 1GB card. Otherwise, with the 9 series you are just getting more of the same card you already bought before.
ya i will go get a 8800 gtx and than step up and evga will pay me:ROTF:Quote:
if it is 350$ that would be great, b/c then i could step-up for free
i need some 9800 vs. 8800gts 640mb benches. I need to know where my card stands up to these.
ima just stick with my 2 gtx's
this is refreshing to see
low price offer from nvidia >> LOL!!!!
i think they are seriously trying to sell the idea of tripple SLI this time round
but no matter what ppl would complain
now i personally haven't looked at the GFX card slides yet so can't comment on the pricing but if the price is correct and we start buying these for $300 you are going to buy a monster powerhouse tripple SLI GFX setup for $900 (GFXs only)
now we all know how much Ultras used to cost and their pricing didn't really change a hack of a lot)
that sounds pretty bloody good to me.
but i'm no gamer. i don't give a :banana::banana::banana::banana: really. my 8800GT is great for my rig in all honestly and will serve me well for many many years to come i'm sure
i hate the idea of having a such a power hungry system though :rolleyes:......tripple SLI or quad SLI, quad core, lots of drives >> where does it end
If there was a 1GB that cheap, heck, I might actually be interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
look on the bright side guys, at least it has a black PCB :up:
seriously though, i don't might this all at since i'm still on a X1900XT256, i always wanted to own a GTX. but i do agree with you most of you about how this "new" card isn't really new at all.
Man im loving the price..............
will 2 x 9800gtx beat the gx2? Seems kind of obvious.... so why would anyone buy the gx2?
Even without OC'ing the G92 wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
G80 wins only with clock for clock.
bus size doesn't matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
memory performance does.
if this uses fast enough RAM it won't matter.
if the clock speed of the RAM was increased by 50% and the bus width was decreased by 33%(which is the case here) then it shouldn't matter.
data transferred = frequency of transfers * size of transfers
LOL? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
So much for the best and latest games optimized for quad core, gain from 2>3>4 cores, nV marketing just tried crashing that belief in one shot right there... don't waste your cash on a $1k CPU, buy a $300 GPU and get much better gaming perf.
What's better, the games they list as having no to negligible C2D 2.67G>Yorkfield 3G improvement includes: Lost Planet, World in Conflict, Company of Heroes, Call of Duty 4, Crysis, Unreal Tournament 3, Bioshock, Oblivion... they really didn't spare anything which has been mythed over.
I would love to put to test this presentation through its paces, if I could be bothered enough or had the demand to.
On another note, nV has pretty much stalled since G80GTX in November '06, which was a ground shattering technology for it's time, albeit monstrously expensive... but $300, if true, then I welcome very much.
Well i think 9800gtx will be the less exciting high end product that industry have seen in years.
$299 actually sounds right for this card. It's basically just a higher binned 8800GTS G92, the G92 cost like $200-250 right now, so another $50 on top of that is fair for a higher end product. They still have the 9800GX2 for their flagship.
No that was the 2900XT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal Error
perhaps those on p35 / x38? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kakarot
a little off topic, but your avatar alone has prompted this reply!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
:up:
from what I read, the GX2 needs sli enabled to work properly..... and I think that is in the bios, the latest review I read had major issues on intel chipsets.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
having a p35 board, this worries me
weird - i set up an asus 780i board last week and didnt see ANY reference to SLI in the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kakarot
GX2 will work on any chipset.
great card your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
"On Gigabyte X48, the R680 had no problem running through all tests. But the 9800 GX2 could only pass 3DMark06 on the very same board. Running any other games would results in errors, or worse, BSoD. Since we know from the previous test that SLI needs to be enabled for maximum performance, yet Intel chipset based boards do not support SLI, we might be looking at a compatibility issue here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
It was then the GeForce 9800GX2 moved to the Striker II Formula platform, where it managed to perform all tests. On the other hand, the 3870 X2 maintained its stability on both platforms. We have to give credit to AMD on its compatibility advantage. In conclusion, we would advice those considering the 9800 GX2 to get a Nvidia chip based motherboard."
http://lly316.blogspot.com/2008/03/g...0-x2_5855.html
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The guys who brought us the first GeForce 9800GX2 has followed up with a review of the GeForce 9800GTX. And guess what? It's slightly faster than a slightly lower clocked GeForce 8800GTS. Unfortunately, the review only holds NVIDIA cards; GeForce 9800GTX vs. 8800 Ultra, 8800GTX and 8800GTS. Without any Radeon card, it gets kind of flat, but still shows with the utmost clarity that, at stock frequencies, GeForce 9800GTX is not a necessary upgrade for anyone who already owns a GeForce 8 series card.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7513.html
gx2 is sposed to 'debut' at ~600usd:eek: vs 3870x2's ~400+usd
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single 9800gtx oc should close the gap on 3870x2 stock
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2147532 - some 3870x2 reviews with fps...
if gx2 works (drivers?????????????????) it could be a monsta performer!
http://images.tomshardware.com/2008/...2/image003.png
30" res is where you 'need' that 3870x2 or gx2...... i reckon.
g80 or g92 cards will come very close to 3870x2 , imo, at yr normal res of 1280x1024 16x12 and 19x12....or so the review charts indicate to me....8800gt ftw for shear value power!!:hehe:
3870x2 is king:worship: ...for now.
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Seriously CPU limited there at only 3ghz... and no high detail settings... but already nice to see thx Mascaras
BZ et al. are right about the bus width; 2900 series proved that much. Though I would like to see more RAM on this card. 768 seems about right for today's games on 'high-res'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Good point re. transistor count and costs too.
bah - cant people use oblivion to test :(
haha i know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
my 8800GTS G92 dies when i throw in some of those texture packs.
these thing are going to clock like CRAZY!!!!!
This is the highest binned gddr3 on the market, going into these things, people have the mem up to 2400mhz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait to get one.
thank you nvidia for releasing an gtx that isn't rediculously overpriced like the 8800gtx.
Well its about damn time they changed that god awful stock cooler that pumped HOT Air into the Case which killed the whole concept of Rear Exhausting the Hot air:rolleyes: