Phenom TLB Disable Tool and Phenom MSR tweaking tool

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03-12-2008, 08:00 PM
sam2008

Phenom TLB Disable Tool and Phenom MSR tweaking tool

Phenom TLB Disable Tool [Update Version 1.04]
Finally finished the GUI version of TLB disabling program. It is useful when you mobo BIOS doesn't has option to disable the TLB walkaround. And it is also useful if you are using Vista SP1 which enabled the TLB after boot up even if you disable the TLB in the BIOS. Added GUI interface, and user can choose to automatically close the window after successful applying of patch. The default time for closing the window is 8 seconds. You can also change the default in the INI file.

You will need to put the program in the same directory as CrystalCPUID (x86 version, NOT the x64 version) to run the program. In Vista, you also need to run as administrator. For how to setup the program so that it starts automatically with Vista see here. You can also use that link for older versions of the program and how to use the program and how to do the benchmarking.

Works for XP, Vista32/64

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9334/tlbne7.jpg

USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

Download
TLB ver 1.04.RAR

If you are experiencing VCL.bpl dynamic library problem trying using the following download. It has all the required dynamic library built in but slightly large in size (260KB download).
TLB_ver1.04.RAR with Built in Dynamic Libraries

[Update v1.05]
Fixed icons, and updated the TLB patch enable tool.
TLB ver 1.05.RAR
03-12-2008, 08:02 PM
sam2008

[Phenom MSR Tweaking Tool Ver 1.02]
It is done under the suggestions from KTE and justapost. Original posted HERE. Move it over here for convinience.;)

Spent all night working on this dann program, finally got it done. Crashed my computer several times when doing the mask debuging:mad:.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8452/msrnq1.jpg

This PhenomMSR.EXE program is based on CrystalCPUID. You will need CrystalCPUID for the program to function. PhenomMSR is a free program for personal use. It is meant for studying and experimenting purposes only. The author holds NO responsibility for the consequences caused by this program. Program may not function on CPUs other than AMD Phenom (haven't tested outside Phenom). To set it up, please refer to HERE for how to properly set it up.

Use at YOUR OWN RISK!!!

Change the MSR settings in the PhenomMSR.INI file for your needs.

(1) You can read and write up to 4 MSRs at same time for all 4 cores
(2) INDEX is the address of the MSR you want to modify
(3) HIGH is the 64-33 bits of the MSR value you want to write
(4) Low is the 32-1 bits of the MSR value you want to write
(5) MASK_HIGH is the mask for 64-33 bits; MASK_LOW is the mask for 32-1 bits.
(6) If INDEX for that [MSR] is set to 0x0, the program will skip that MSR and do nothing.
(7) If MASK is set to 0x00000000, the program will directly write the values in HIGH and LOW into MSR
(8) If MASK is set to 0xFFFFFFFF, the program will basically do nothing to the original value of MSR
(9) For other cases, changing the MASK value accordingly.

Use at YOUR OWN RISK!!!

Download PhenomMSR.RAR 1.01

About the MASK
Here is the how the MASK works. If O is the original value in MSR, W is the value need to be written, and M is the mask, the logic operation is (O and M) or ((NOT M) and W).
For example, if O=01 10 00, and you want to write W=10 11 01 into the MSR but would like the 3-4 bit in the original O unchanged, then you should use M=00 11 00.
(O and M)=(01 10 01 & 00 11 00)=00 10 00
(Not M)=~ 00 11 00=11 00 11
(Not M) and W= 11 00 11 & 10 11 01=10 00 01
(O and M) or ((Not M) and W)= 00 10 00 | 10 00 01=10 10 01.
As you can see the center 2 bit as masked by M is unchanged.

[Update PhenomMSR v1.02]
Added Support for Core Masking in the INI file.
Now you can use the COREMASK to specify which core you want the MSR value to be written. It is 4-bit binary value. The lowest bit is core 1, second bit is core 2, third bit is core 3, and fourth bit is core 4. When a bit is set to 1, MSR for that core will be written. If a bit is set to zero, the program will skip the MSR for that core. For example, 0b1011 means core 1, 2, and 4 will be written, and core 3 will be skipped. If COREMASK is set to 0b1111, then the selected MSR for all four cores will be written. If COREMASK is set to 0b0000, then selected MSR won't be written to any of the cores. Changing the COREMASK value accordingly. It is set at 0b1111 by default (all 4 core enabled).

Download PhenomMSR v1.02
03-12-2008, 08:29 PM
Daveburt714

Thanks for all your work on these tools sam2008! :up:

I'm sure the TLB disable tool will come in handy for alot of folks. Fortunately my board has the option in the bios and it works fully. But I'll run your warez just to make sure. ;)

I'm still just getting my feet wet with editing MSR registers, but once I figure it out I'm sure your Tweaktool will come in handy too. My board doesn't alow for adjusting NB/IMC voltages, so I'm hoping if I can figure this out (and it helps) I can run this during the INI portion of Windows to adjust those V's, before the dreaded Windows hang at boot....
03-12-2008, 11:06 PM
dr_drache

there is an issue with this program.

your missing a DLL in your compile. Read FAQ : faq101-189 for Borland C++
and I quote : "To stop using runtime packages, you will need to go to your project or compiler options. Select the Packages tab and uncheck "Build with runtime packages." This will reduce the number of external DLL your program needs but will increase the size of the program."

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/...owClipping.png

simple mistake i think :P
03-13-2008, 01:44 AM
LIKMARK

Great work Sam2008! Very useful program, running it at log on. Much better than doing it manually with CrystalCPUID.
03-13-2008, 08:58 AM
sam2008

Thanks dr_drache. I tested the program in my other XP and Vista 32 machines, both without Borland C++ installed. It all worked fine without issue. But I guess, it might be some other programs installed the required DLL for me.

Anyway, I have updated one version with built in DLL. It slightly larger than the original one, but should work fine in you machine now. Try it out and let me know if there's any problem.:yepp:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr_drache

there is an issue with this program.

your missing a DLL in your compile. Read FAQ : faq101-189 for Borland C++
and I quote : "To stop using runtime packages, you will need to go to your project or compiler options. Select the Packages tab and uncheck "Build with runtime packages." This will reduce the number of external DLL your program needs but will increase the size of the program."

simple mistake i think :P
03-13-2008, 09:51 AM
SocketMan

Good man!
:clap: :up:
03-13-2008, 10:15 AM
KTE

Excellent work man! :up:

Tool will be very handy for Phenom users... unlike for me. :(
If I still used it, I prefer the command line personally.

Now get learning to oc using it, all of ya :cord:
03-13-2008, 10:19 AM
madfaze

highly appreciated...nice work!
03-13-2008, 03:09 PM
gOtVoltage

Amazing SAM simply amazing....:up:
03-13-2008, 04:08 PM
PetNorth

TLB Disable Tool with built in DLL (vista x64 here) works nicely! :D Thanks sam2008! :)
03-13-2008, 08:00 PM
dr_drache

works perfect sam, (x64 vista) thanks, and hopfully i didn't step on too many toes..
03-13-2008, 11:23 PM
JWilson

New large download:

Biostar TA770-M2, 9500, XP 32bit:

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TLB1.04.JPG
03-14-2008, 05:49 AM
sam2008

You have to put them in the same directory as CrystalCPU. Read carefully on the instructions on the fisrt post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWilson

New large download:

Biostar TA770-M2, 9500, XP 32bit:
03-14-2008, 06:14 AM
JWilson

Thanks over here too. Nice work!
03-15-2008, 04:20 AM
justapost

@sam2008: fyi the source code for crystalcpuid and sysinfo can be downloaded here.

http://dl.crystaldew.info/download/C...PUID414Src.zip
03-19-2008, 03:24 PM
KTE

Sam2008: ASRock made a TLB Fix Enable-Disable Tool which they give out with there boards... is this not the same tool as yours? http://www.asrock.com/support/TLB.asp

I can't check since I'm not using an AMD CPU/chipset but it definitely looks like it, especially being v1.03. If it is, they should be paying you or at least making mention of you :mad:
03-19-2008, 04:04 PM
dr_drache

that asrock utility won't run on anything but their boards.

some sort of check in place, so i can't tell you how it works... lol
03-20-2008, 12:06 AM
Nedjo

why it doesn't work with 64bit crystalcpuid?
03-20-2008, 07:26 AM
sam2008

Thanks justapost:up: . Had I known about this, it would have saved me tons time from reading the assembly code in the sysinfo.dll to get the functions needed for doing readmsr/writemsr. Good thing is I won't be in legal trouble if I disclose the code,:D. I can also post my source code if you guys need it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

@sam2008: fyi the source code for crystalcpuid and sysinfo can be downloaded here.

http://dl.crystaldew.info/download/C...PUID414Src.zip
03-20-2008, 07:30 AM
sam2008

KTE:Thanks for looking out for me, KTE. That program is not mine. Before I decided to write my own code, I also download it from ASRock. It just won't run on any other boards except ASRock's. That's why I decided to write my own program to do it. But thanks anyway.:)

BTW, have you tried your dead Phenom recently? It might come back to life after so long of resting...

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTE

Sam2008: ASRock made a TLB Fix Enable-Disable Tool which they give out with there boards... is this not the same tool as yours? http://www.asrock.com/support/TLB.asp

I can't check since I'm not using an AMD CPU/chipset but it definitely looks like it, especially being v1.03. If it is, they should be paying you or at least making mention of you :mad:
03-20-2008, 07:33 AM
sam2008

The complier I am using only supports 32-bit, so...:(
Download the 32 Bit version CrystalCPU. It works on for Vista 64bit too. I use it on Vista x64 SP1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

why it doesn't work with 64bit crystalcpuid?
03-20-2008, 08:32 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam2008

Thanks justapost:up: . Had I known about this, it would have saved me tons time from reading the assembly code in the sysinfo.dll to get the functions needed for doing readmsr/writemsr. Good thing is I won't be in legal trouble if I disclose the code,:D. I can also post my source code if you guys need it.

Yeah, realized it cuz i had forgotten my benchmark software usb stick and had to download it again.
So I dropped my plans to write an gui tool for multi management. CrytalCPU has multi management for intel chips which should be extendable to support phenoms p-states.
But at the moment i'm more interested in writing an power saving module with tweakable p-states for linux. :)
03-20-2008, 08:44 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam2008

The complier I am using only supports 32-bit, so...:(
Download the 32 Bit version CrystalCPU. It works on for Vista 64bit too. I use it on Vista x64 SP1.

it's Ok, I can live with that ;)

Sam is it possible to design another version that would be used just to enable patch at the startup w/o need for GPU, and 10 sec. waiting to confirm patching?
I'm asking this 'cos I just want to have patch enabled as fast as possible upon entering Vista.
03-20-2008, 09:23 AM
sam2008

You mean you want the patch automatically enabled upon startup? You can use the windows Task Scheduler. You can refer to here for how to let it auto start with vista (2nd post).

[TLB auto startup with vista]

You can change the wait time in the INI file that comes with the program (min 1 sec, max 30 sec).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

Sam is it possible to design another version that would be used just to enable patch at the startup w/o need for GPU, and 10 sec. waiting to confirm patching?
I'm asking this 'cos I just want to have patch enabled as fast as possible upon entering Vista.
03-20-2008, 09:56 AM
sam2008

justapostSounds interesting. Although I am not very familiar with Linux programing. If GCC supports inline assembly code, it might work.

Code:

__declspec(naked) void Ring0ReadMSR() { _asm { rdmsr mov [ebx],eax mov [edi],edx retf } } ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // WRMSR ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// __declspec(naked) void Ring0WriteMSR() { _asm { mov eax,[ebx] mov edx,[edi] wrmsr retf } }

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

Yeah, realized it cuz i had forgotten my benchmark software usb stick and had to download it again.
So I dropped my plans to write an gui tool for multi management. CrytalCPU has multi management for intel chips which should be extendable to support phenoms p-states.
But at the moment i'm more interested in writing an power saving module with tweakable p-states for linux. :)
03-20-2008, 11:13 AM
KTE

Yea, Phenom is still dead. :(
03-21-2008, 12:28 AM
Daveburt714

Sam2008, Thanks for all your work bro! Your software works VERY well, but I'm gonna nitpick just a little bit.. :p:

I experienced a little confusion with your Icons. If you could redesign them with maybe, the universal crossed circle for DISABLED, and ENABLED over the Icon when when TLB is turned on. It might help folks understand it a little better...

You are my hero Sam! Just a suggestion... :D
03-21-2008, 12:58 PM
sam2008

You mean changing the program icon? Will work on it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveburt714

I experienced a little confusion with your Icons. If you could redesign them with maybe, the universal crossed circle for DISABLED, and ENABLED over the Icon when when TLB is turned on. It might help folks understand it a little better...
03-21-2008, 06:00 PM
sam2008

Updated. See Post #1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveburt714

Sam2008, Thanks for all your work bro! Your software works VERY well, but I'm gonna nitpick just a little bit.. :p:

I experienced a little confusion with your Icons. If you could redesign them with maybe, the universal crossed circle for DISABLED, and ENABLED over the Icon when when TLB is turned on. It might help folks understand it a little better...

You are my hero Sam! Just a suggestion... :D
03-22-2008, 10:59 AM
Daveburt714

Thanks SAM!! I was drinking when I posted that message, so the confusion was probably partially caused by my own blurred senses... :p:

Hopefully that will help someone else in that state down the road though. :D
04-01-2008, 07:08 PM
Assimilator87

Thanks a bunch sam! :clap: For some reason, DFI got rid of the TLB option in the newest BIOS and AOD is garbage.
04-01-2008, 11:51 PM
Brother Esau

Wow what a killer Job Sam;) Just finally got around to doing your TLB SP1 Fix Nice job man:up:
04-02-2008, 01:31 AM
LIKMARK

Hey Sam! How about making a tool for changing NB multiplier for those of us not having this option in bios?
04-02-2008, 01:51 AM
Brother Esau

Hows about a $10.00 Coupon off on the DFI 790FX-M2R:rofl: JK...Brother:D
04-02-2008, 06:22 AM
sam2008

Is the NB multplier controlled by MSR? Is so you might be able to do it using the MSR Tweaking Tool in the 2nd post of this thread. It can change any MSR you want and does bit masking too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIKMARK

Hey Sam! How about making a tool for changing NB multiplier for those of us not having this option in bios?
04-02-2008, 06:50 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam2008

Is the NB multplier controlled by MSR? Is so you might be able to do it using the MSR Tweaking Tool in the 2nd post of this thread. It can change any MSR you want and does bit masking too.

Changing the NB multi requires an reboot on k10's. And it's done via PCI registers (F4xA3 or so).

EDIT: Did not reply to that yet. The linux kernel has c-functions for changing msr registers, those are implemented using inline assembler code.
04-02-2008, 07:45 AM
Brother Esau

1 Attachment(s)

Here ya go sam2008;)
04-02-2008, 06:52 PM
sam2008

Nice:up: . Just remind you if you are using stand by (sleep) function of Vista SP1, everytime the computer wakes up, the TLB will be enabled again. You will have to manually disable it under that circumstance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Here ya go sam2008;)
04-02-2008, 07:06 PM
Brother Esau

Thanks Sam but I don't do the stand by / sleep deal never have and find it to be more problems then just letting the PC Run:up:
05-31-2008, 05:53 AM
dotcom624

I have a Turion 64 x2 proc in my Gateway T1625 laptop, and I'm getting the TLB error after installing Vista SP1. Does anyone know if this proc has the TLB error in it? The TLB disable tool doesn't work because it doesn't have the same MSR's. I've talked with Microsoft (outsourced), and there's no hotfix at this time, but they are 'working on one' (yeah right) and will 'let me know' when it is available. Does anyone know the MSR's for the Turion procs? I haven't found the resources for that yet on AMD's website. I have found, that if I restart my computer, I do not get any errors (mostly WHEA 19 errors), but if I sleep/wake up my computer, or do a hard reboot, I get errors intermittently. Thanks for any help.

Gateway T1625
AMD Turion 64 x2 FX-60
--whatever else this thing came with--
05-31-2008, 08:03 PM
aGeoM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dotcom624

I have a Turion 64 x2 proc in my Gateway T1625 laptop, and I'm getting the TLB error after installing Vista SP1. Does anyone know if this proc has the TLB error in it? ...

No, just for Phenom rev. B2.
06-19-2008, 01:12 PM
DoNER90

Hey , Is they any chance of you making an update version of your little program. Can you also PLEASE host the file on a diffrent file share sit for every time I try to download version 1.5 it gives me the same error every time. Thanks
06-28-2008, 08:28 AM
Phenomenalspeed

Please can someone tell me how I can get this to disable automatically at windows startup for both XP SP3 and Vista SP1?

The link on the first post is dead.

Thanks.
06-29-2008, 09:29 PM
sam2008

Link updated. But if you have 9850, you do not have TLB problem and there's no need to use this patch tool.
06-30-2008, 03:28 PM
suraswami

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam2008

Link updated. But if you have 9850, you do not have TLB problem and there's no need to use this patch tool.

Those links don't download the full file. Are the links working?

Sorry I am new to this forum and wanted to try out this cool tool.
06-30-2008, 04:13 PM
Phenomenalspeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam2008

Link updated. But if you have 9850, you do not have TLB problem and there's no need to use this patch tool.

Thanks for the new link. Is there a Windows Xp equivalent of the task scheduler?

Are you 100% sure of this? I am sure that I read that this patch in Windows XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is still enabled for B3 stepping phenoms too.
03-23-2009, 11:49 PM
awdrifter

Sorry to bump this old thread, but I have a question that's related to this.

I'm building a ultra cheap rig for a friend with the Phenom 9600BE, I will be using Windows XP 32 bit, will I still need to use this patch, and will I need to apply this patch on every start up? Thanks.
03-24-2009, 12:18 PM
soundood

Quote:

Originally Posted by awdrifter

Sorry to bump this old thread, but I have a question that's related to this.

I'm building a ultra cheap rig for a friend with the Phenom 9600BE, I will be using Windows XP 32 bit, will I still need to use this patch, and will I need to apply this patch on every start up? Thanks.

talk about a blast from the past lol,

ok if your using xp 32 bit, service pack 3 has the same TLB fix in it that the vista service pack 1 has, a lot of peeps will disagree with me, as this was never 'proven' as such, but i done tons of benches during that phenom I phase to prove this.

althou to be fair the impact of the TLB fix in XP, didnt seem to be as much as the vista sp1 fix.

so you can stay on XP SP2 or update to SP3 and use this tool, and yes you will need to pin it to the start up, so it starts each time the comp starts.
03-25-2009, 04:10 PM
awdrifter

Thanks, I made a shortcut in the Startup folder, it works now.
09-06-2009, 12:59 PM
zaccmartin

just for clarification, in the bios i want TLB fix disabled correct? when applying the fix or running this program i'm accepting the 12-14 percent loss in processing power or that is what i'm trying to avoid?
09-06-2009, 03:37 PM
soundood

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaccmartin

just for clarification, in the bios i want TLB fix disabled correct? when applying the fix or running this program i'm accepting the 12-14 percent loss in processing power or that is what i'm trying to avoid?

yes disable TLB fix in bios, this will give you full power to your CPU, but you will need to use sams tool to disable the TLB fix in vista SP1, otherwise the bios settings wont matter
10-02-2009, 10:16 AM
Spazzie

I Know this is old but but for us non enthusiasts, I want to say thank you for this wonderful tool. I only use my PC for gaming and had NO IDEA why I was getting such terrible framerates in wow and Aion.

A fellow gamer refered me to this thread and since applying the patch, my framerate has doubled therefore making my gaming experiance that much better.

1 question to ask tho, I have to have CPUID running to apply the patch and in doing this I am not able to have this apply thru the task manager at start up. I am not sure what step I missed. Any ideas how to resolve this small issue?

Thank you in advance.
10-03-2009, 05:24 PM
Baam

This post here explains how to have it automatically start at windows boot. He does leave off one part.
Need to click the actions tab and point it to the program

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...ur-phenom.html
10-03-2009, 06:17 PM
Chumbucket843

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaccmartin

just for clarification, in the bios i want TLB fix disabled correct? when applying the fix or running this program i'm accepting the 12-14 percent loss in processing power or that is what i'm trying to avoid?

your comp will crash if you leave it under full load.
here is an article with benchmarks on a 9600 tlb patched. http://techreport.com/articles.x/13741/1
08-31-2011, 02:01 PM
keithl322

TLB Disable not fully disabling??

Hey guys, I have been trying to figure out this TLB Disable patch for over 2 weeks now with only partial success. I have downloaded every version of the TLB_Disable, and even tried to download the Tweak, but I couldnt figure out how to get the tweak to work. The problem is that I am not getting full cpu power back. my WinRAR benchmark caps at about 900, most of the time. Every now and then it will actually show the full 1400, but I'm not sure what changes are happening in the computer for that to take place! My roommate actually has the exact same cpu/motherboard, both windows 7 with no service packs installed. His gives the full 1400 every time he runs the disable, and I have notice that his MSR registry changes to this:

[MSR_C0010015]
high=0x00000000
low=0x01000010

[MSR_C0011023]
high=0x00000000
low=0x00A00020

Now I have tried to change the .ini file to that, saved it, and ran the TLB_Disable again, but it still shows in the program interface this:
[MSR_C0010015]
high=0x00000000
low=0x01000011

[MSR_C0011023]
high=0x00000000
low=0x00A00020

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am too broke to change my CPU right now and this would be a great help to me!! THANK YOU in advance as well for all responses!!! i will let you know if the answer you all gives me fixes the problem.

also the motherboard I have is the M2N68-LA (Narra3), the processor is a 9500 2.2GHZ, came in an HP computer I bought at Best Buy. Thank you again for your help!!!