9800GX2 is an expensive joke, according to Inq

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Lets assume the worst for the 3870X2, call it 13,500 3DMark06, and lets assume the best for the the 9800GX2, with a driver drop and other hacks, say it hits 15K. A little math (15,000/13,500 = 1.111) tells us that it will be about 11% faster than the 3870X2. No problem so far.

The funny part? It is going to retail for $599 US, you read that right, $599. The X2 is at $449, 75% of the price. A bit more math tells us that the price performance (3DMark/$) of the X2 is 30/$ and 25/$ for the GX2. That is one hell of a difference, and it is based on best case assumptions. To put it in different terms, you could get a 3870X2 AND a 3870 for a three way for around the same money.

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http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...ully-expensive



If Inq is even slightly correct with these numbers, it looks like nvidia is in for some market share loss...

The MSRP has been known for long and since we also knew this was just two G92 cores slapped together, this is anything but news... ;)

//Andreas

Market share loss, from not selling 9800GX2 whereas ATi will be selling 3870X2s??

No freaking way

In order to rebalance things to 50-50 (now it's 70-30), ATi must get a good 4xxx series, at a good price, defeating nVIDIA in all possible levels, ESPECIALLY in the cards with a $200-$300 price tag.

Most of the info was allready there yes, but to me this is still kinda shocking.
I wonder why nvidia went through with releasing this card... It seems like they desperately want to keep the single slot performance crown, regardless of how much it costs and whether or not they will sell a single piece of this card.

Thing is 9800GX2 is aimed at people who want 1 of the best card on the market or people who want the absolutely best video card setup in which case they'll get more than one. Money is rarely the issue with people who are willing to spend over 400$ for a video card.

If anything is going to kill the sales of the 9800GX2 it's going to be the rumour of the R770 or the GT200. The 30% price increase for a 10% performance increase isn't something that's going to deter people from getting this card. The possibility of spending $400+ on a card that is going to be obsolete in 3 months time after its purchase is.

ATI will probably drop the price further when the nVidia card hits the streets.

price here in my country is 480 EUR = 760 USD!

Well in theory, wouldn't people that want the best of the best go for 2* 3870X2?
What kind of people exactly would buy this card?

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Originally Posted by gallardo

The possibility of spending $400+ on a card that is going to be obsolete in 3 months time after its purchase is.

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I agree :yepp:

Since when did 3DMark06 points / $ become the industry standard for GPU price performance? I guess real world gaming performance has no relevance these days... ;)

Expensive jokes will sell as long as rich dorks exists.

rich dorks:ROTF:

I don't know why you people even bother with the inquirer. In the last article I've read from them they were calling nvidia Satan. This is no joke, search for it. So why would their opinion over a Nvidia card even matter?

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Originally Posted by OBR

price here in my country is 480 EUR = 760 USD!

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HD 3870X2 (Europe) is 385 EUR and in all Europe you find way cheaper then this.
In germany you by one HD 3870X2 for 315 EUR
http://geizhals.at/eu/a310136.html

Im so sick of 3dmark scores being used. They are useless.
Having said that i'm no fan of this card, but it will be quick.

I dident expect it to be cheap. Nothing from Nvidia is cheap.

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Originally Posted by Jakko

Most of the info was allready there yes, but to me this is still kinda shocking.
I wonder why nvidia went through with releasing this card... It seems like they desperately want to keep the single slot performance crown, regardless of how much it costs and whether or not they will sell a single piece of this card.

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Well, act of desperation as ATI likes to call that. Let's just wait for K|np|n to try to beat others(read: ATI) with GX2, I bet it ain't going to happen. 3DMark is already ruled by ATI anyway.

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

Since when did 3DMark06 points / $ become the industry standard for GPU price performance? I guess real world gaming performance has no relevance these days... ;)

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Define real world. Crysis? Crysis my ass. Most people just get these cards for benching, very high-end isn't really for gamers, at least not SLI/CF systems. Sure one of these cards would be nice, but all the hassle with drivers/games just makes these cards useless to average joe. Thus, gaming has to be done with Single-GPU card and w/o SLI/CF to avoid problems. Damn, these "Performance crown!11"-cards are just useless for over 90% of "gamers".

v_rr ...

sorry but 9800 GX2 cannot be at 385EUR ..it is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: ...

Asus cost in Czech republic 480EUR, Gigabyte and Zotac about 520 EUR!

Give me a break:

315€ x 1.19 (VAT u know) = 375€

;)

I never judge the value of a video card by its 3D mark score.

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Originally Posted by gznp

Give me a break:

315€ x 1.19 (VAT u know) = 375€

;)

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How about this one: Saphire 3870X2 for 339 euros. That's including VAT, as dutch stores pretty much have to include the VAT into the price when reporting the advertised price.

the gx2 might be a joke but it cant be a bigger joke than the 3870x2 that benches liek a champ but gets outgamed buy a $250 8800gts 512mb.

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Originally Posted by OBR

v_rr ...

sorry but 9800 GX2 cannot be at 385EUR ..it is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: ...

Asus cost in Czech republic 480EUR, Gigabyte and Zotac about 520 EUR!

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I was talking about HD 3870 X2, and not 9800GX2.
Sory if I don´t made it very clear :)

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Originally Posted by Rattle

the gx2 might be a joke but it cant be a bigger joke than the 3870x2 that benches liek a champ but gets outgamed buy a $250 8800gts 512mb.

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The 8800GTS 512MB is a very impressive card indeed, and one of the fastest single chip solutions out there, but let's not turn this thread into a benchmark quotingfest.

The general opinion seems to be that the 3870x2 beats the 8800GTS in games that the crossfire drivers work with.

crap for me ;)

still waiting..... G100????? :D

I don't see the Inq's argumentation, can you compare both cards ? only thing is that they are both dual GPU's... and for benchers 1500 points in 3dmark 2006 is massive !!!
Secondly is the launch of the 9800X2 there to kill the 3870X2 ? Don't think so... Nvidia just wants to show off...
Thirdly if the 9800X2 is Nvidia's fastests card out of the box it MUST retail at a higher price then it's current top card... seems pretty logic... and yet again does 3dmark nowadays reflect real gaming performance...NOPE...

One thing I know is that both cards will suffer from driver issues & game compatability... they will bench like hell but might suffer from poor gaming performance till the day they are EOL

I can't follow the point here...what exactly are you talking about?
nvidia makes more expensive cards...wasn't it the same since over a year? highest performance at highest price. anything wrong with it? just hope it will be highest performance after the first of us have benched these suckers :D

9800gx2 is crap, but 3870x2 is much crappier. just compare their single card analogues, the 8800gts and the 3870. its not rocket science ppl.

thats a stupid arguement, bringing up price vs perf for a high end card. Its for people who want the fastest card hands down and are willing to pay the price. These types of cards barely make more than a few percentage of sales

For any price-oriented person, no sli/crossfire solution will be 'worth' it because you are essentially paying 2x the price and will never be getting 2x more performance in games.

Some people will buy it because they need the new GPU the day it comes out, every few months. I wish I was rich like those guys. :D

Comparing two cards by using 3dmark06 scores makes you wonder about the first hand experience the writer has.. if any

that review is crud...he`s assuming(you know what they say about ASS-U- ming) 9800gx2 will only do 15,000...
if 9800gx2 = 2 8800gts i`m getting over 17,000(stock)...more inquirer bs...
secondly 3dmark 06 has now become greatly cpu limited...lets see what they do in crysis, lost planet etc...

well look at it's performance in crysis
:p:

That's a link to the 9800GTX performance in Crysis but whatever.

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expensive joke

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IMO, all dual GPU solutions - expensive or not - are jokes.

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Originally Posted by gznp

Give me a break:

315€ x 1.19 (VAT u know) = 375€

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v_rr's price quote from Geizhals has VAT included already:

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315,11

(exkl. 19% MwSt.:
264,80)

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1,19 (VAT) × 264,80€ = 315,112€

Did anyone stop to look at the source for the article? It's Charlie.. the ATI zealot.

He's known in all circles to hate NVIDIA, and he has close connections with people at ATI.

I think anyone that buys a card for this much has to be insane when a refresh of next gen gpu's are around the corner! R700 , gt200!

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Originally Posted by bro20000

I think anyone that buys a card for this much has to be insane when a refresh of next gen gpu's are around the corner! R700 , gt200!

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I'll believe that when we some real release dates and specs not something scribbled into the company roadmap.

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

9800gx2 is crap, but 3870x2 is much crappier. just compare their single card analogues, the 8800gts and the 3870. its not rocket science ppl.

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Yea, but then you're ignoring the fact: CrossFire > SLI.

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Define real world. Crysis? Crysis my ass. Most people just get these cards for benching, very high-end isn't really for gamers, at least not SLI/CF systems. Sure one of these cards would be nice, but all the hassle with drivers/games just makes these cards useless to average joe. Thus, gaming has to be done with Single-GPU card and w/o SLI/CF to avoid problems. Damn, these "Performance crown!11"-cards are just useless for over 90% of "gamers".

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I think 'real world games' pretty much speaks for itself - I'm more interested in how the cards perform in ACTUAL GAMES, not a meaningless synthetic 3D benchmark. :rolleyes:

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GeForce 9800 GX2 Goes on Sale


NVIDIA’s upcoming GeForce 9800 GX2 graphics card is now available to pre-order from shopblt.com, for a price of $598.41. Although the release date is still unconfirmed, the site has an estimated time of arrival as 03-22-2008, which could well be the official launch day. The actual card being listed is from PNY Technologies, although no extra details are given.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-03...n_sale_thm.png

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regards

I'm with you OBR. For us in the UK and around EU, this card is much more expensive. The price is in fact, very ridiculous... unless it doubled performance from a G80 Ultra. In which case, it would still be ridiculous but at least appeal to a few with money to blow or achieve to die for FPS.

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Yea, but then you're ignoring the fact: CrossFire > SLI.

//Andreas

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lol, they are the same thing basically.

What? They got 13.5k in 3dmark06 with HD3870X2? They used Intel 80386 without co processor for test? Testing cards that are bottlenecked by their test rig is like running marathon around a tree.
Inq is a joke, and thats pretty clear.

It would be nice if people would quote a 3dmark 03 score instead of the 06 score for these new cards. 06 is pretty much a cpu test these days, it doesn't scale with additional gpu power unless you overclock your cpu to extreme levels. That's great for extreme benchmarking, but not very relevant when running 24/7 frequencies.

It will be nice when 3dmark Vantage finally comes out, and we have a latest graphics benchmark that actually tests the GPU again.

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

lol, they are the same thing basically.

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yea, but crossfire scales better than sli

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Originally Posted by Rattle

the gx2 might be a joke but it cant be a bigger joke than the 3870x2 that benches liek a champ but gets outgamed buy a $250 8800gts 512mb.

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$170 8800gts 512mb. :yepp: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=180198

Closing thread, no need to circle jerk around a Inq link.