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Our source conformed that 9800GTX will hit the market in March 25. It is the second or third 9 series card by NVIDIA. While we can expect the 9800GX2 will be as high as 6XX USD, the price of 9800GTX still keeps unknown. We know a single 9800GTX only performs like its predecessor, but maybe it is born for 3-way SLI.
Original post at Expreview.com
I wonder if anyone has got their mits on any of these cards to test?
launch is in 19 days, yes people have them! LOL
9800GTX is only OCed 8800GTS-512, you can simulate performance of new card with oced oldest ...
An OC-GTS with exlusive PCB(which seems to have some potential) and 0.83ns GDDR3.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
But sure, it is a shame that NV call this card 9800 GTX.
but the 9800gtx may oc higher, tho again definatly not a reason to call it 9800gtxQuote:
Originally Posted by OBR
:confused: here.Quote:
While we can expect the 9800GX2 will be as high as 6XX USD
Yes, of course GTX will be OC king ... butQuote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
Oced 8800GTS-512 @ 675/1688/2200 = new 9800GTX @ stock ...
PS. I can OC my GTS on 750/1800/2200 without problem and have more powerfull card again ...
I dont want to buy any "new" GF9 card with stupid 256-bit Memory bus ... in my rig stays Two Ultras in SLI ... but on 790i Ultra ...
Not really exicted about this card. It's basically worse than the 8800GTX in alot of ways. It will be a killer card no doubt, but won't be as killer as the 9800GTX should be if all the reports are true.
The best thing is that 8800GTX will be cheaper still.
nobody needs this card, the 8800 gtx and ultra do better
may be the price of ultra will shut down so i ll buy one
i think nvidia will have a bad surprise with the 98xx cards
is that a fact? is only OCed 8800GTS-512....?Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
thought it was die shrink,brand new core?
guess i should keep my 8800gtx? gtx has better rambus(384) and more ram 768...
any card with gtx should be king i would imagine.was hoping for a true 512 bus with 1 gig ram..o well
do i have time for step up in europe guys? my step up is due the 28th of march >:/
I'll wait to see how well these overclock. Disappointing overall however. This is what happens when there is no (or lackluster) competition.
Joe 6 pack won't know the real difference in this card, he will only notice the higher number. There are a lot more people like him, than people like us.
My simulation of GF 9800 GTS and 9800 GTX!
http://i28.tinypic.com/264gsh2.png
http://i28.tinypic.com/16jrq6h.png
More tests at monday ...
GF 8800 GTX - 575/1350/1800 128SP
GF 8800 Ultra - 612/1512/2160 128SP
GF 9800 GTX - 675/1688/2200 128SP
GF 9800 GTS - 600/1500/1800 128SP
GF 8800 GTS - 650/1625/1942 128SP
PS. 9800 XXX are simulated by Ocing of 8800 GTS-512!
2 days before my step-up ends!!
i hope this thing is good
Maybe they used the same compression optimization than the 9600GT, so it performs better with the same amount of shaders and less memory bandwidth... but I'm just hoping here ^^
comparing cards clock to clock isn't the best way to gauge max performance.
At the same core/shader/mem speed a G80 GTX will beat a G92 GTS.
But once you push both of them to their limit, the G92 does much better, because it clocks much higher.
With the new mem (really .83ns?) the mem stock manufacturer clocks will be 2400mhz, and then new power section, this card should overclock nicely.
Does the 9800GTX have 1 or 2 6-pin power connectors?
iirc it's 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger30Q
My GAWD, I love my 8800GTX even more!!! It's still the best!
30-40% more memory bandwidth, 50% more memory buffer (capacity at 768MB), and 50% more ROP's! Even if that 9800GTX has 15-20% faster core depending on its overclockability, I'll gladly pass...
Already, I have 4 games that use more than 512MB memory at 1920x1200. Crysis uses over 700MB at only 1600x1200, without FSAA! From my experience, limited bandwidth or buffer cause more stutterting/hitching in games. It's the bottleneck that makes the core "sputter" no matter how fast it is.
Me, happy man.. :D
Well atleast people have stopped bwaking about the -super shader- myth brought about by the 9600GT. No wonder for the fancy PWM, Nvidia knows people will have to clock to the sky to no feel like complete tools for not picking up a year old 768mb G80 instead. SLI features is a gimmick for most around launch, when a card is brand new the bottom line is what it does in single gpu. SLI ability would be appreciated in time though
Nvidia probably could've sat on the current generation six months more. (GT92, GTX, and GTX ultra)
i think most people are hoping that, but i'm not sure, it's supposedly the SAME core. no optimizations like the G94 in the 9600.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1723
yea, but people would :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: so much, it'd be crazy. But really, the only game that doesn't run fine on a 8800GTS (G80) is Crysis. That's an old core too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAWS
the sooner nvidia hauls this crappy 9800 card out, the sooner we can begin a new countdown for G100 series cards :) :D
Nope. They only release this to milk some more money from us.Quote:
Originally Posted by hecktic
ATI has to get its next gen ready before G100 is released.
Nvidia doesn't need to release cards when it can already outperform amd.:shrug:
The problem with all this is when nvidia decided not to name the 8800GT and GTS a 9 series, if it was a 9 series, everything would have been better.
Think i'll pass on 9800GTX and go for GTS-512 SLI'ed
G100 (or GT200 actually) cards are rumored to **NOT** include DX10.1 support. DX10.1 is my dream of an improvement over DX10, largely related to FSAA and other issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by hecktic
If that happens, then I will boycott Nvidia no matter what, for sheer stubborness that only discourages technological progress with graphics.
Hey Microsoft, hear that? Nvidia refuses DX10.1 support, discouraging many would-be Vista upgraders!
8800GTS 512 for 250€ is best choice.
I think i'd rather get another ultra, instead of buying and having a single 9800gx2 which is a xit!
*sigh* What a disappointment. It's been how long since the 8800GTX release?
FFS enough with the sandbagging nVidia, I want a freaking GPU that can at least outperform your 18 month old design, not match or 'come near' it.
...And the title of the best graphics card of all times goes to nVidia 8800GTX!!!
QFT! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by donitsi
though the Geforce 3 rates high enough to top it
I consider the Radeon 9700 up there as well. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
9800gts for $299 is a pretty good deal
(its what the latest rumors say)
If you already have an 8800 series, seems that the 9800's are not worth bothering with.
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=18566&catid=2
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...800_GTX_11.jpgQuote:
You've seen its heart and soul earlier this week but today is the day we can get a good look at the upcoming GeForce 9800 GTX in full battle gear. Posing in a super secret, secret room at CeBIT the GeForce 9800 GTX is powered by the 65nm G92-420 chip and is slated for a release on March 25th. As you can see from the photos below the card's cooling system covers the whole front of the PCB with the only ones popping out being the SLI (triple-SLI ready) and (two 6-pin) power connectors. The 9800 GTX is clocked at 675, 1688 and 2200 MHz for the GPU, 128 Stream Processors and memory and has a 256-bit interface so 8800 GTX can happily keep their cards until at least summer. Photos courtesy of Hardware.info.
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...800_GTX_12.jpg
looks nice. If only it has 384bit bus with 768mb of ram again. The cooler temps and higher clockability would surely give the Ultra a run for its money this way. In its current state however, the Ultra is still the better bet.
I like this cooler a lot,they should have done a Ultra with bumped clocks on a G92 chip
Your right, but at the same time I imagine nVidia wants to move everything over to a smaller die size/process for the sake of cost. I doubt that they will have trouble getting rid of their stock of 80nm cards, especially if they reduce the prices...Quote:
Originally Posted by JAWS
If this 9800GTX is only 400 US dollars (as some websites predict) I want one to see how it will clock... I will not buy a 2nd 8800GTS 512 for my 2nd rig... unless those prices go down the drain...
Thats one shexi card, black pcb ohh yes!!
Whats expected RRP on these?
if the 9800gtx will truely be 400 dollars .. i might sell off my 8800gtx non ultra for one of them
Better electrical components than the GTS 512, 2x 6pins... does this 9800GTX has something to hide? :)
I still want to know what's up with the extra 6-pin. Increased overclocking potential and stability?
I secretly hope so for personal reasons ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1723
but the smart side of my brain tells me it's false hope :(
Are you hoping it comes with lube? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1723
It hides a pair of nicely shaped boobs underneath the heatsink, so that the guys who actually get ripped off by buying it instead of an 8800GTX can have something to play with.
lolz @ 9800, reminds me of radeon in 2003, 2004??
Why not, its what they did with the UltraQuote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
The card looks nice, but the specs don't. Hope too see a nice Rx7xx series from ATi with some nice tricks up its sleeve. That will make nV awake again, the 9xxx series is one big cashcow for them, and no new stuff for us.
A simple thought: It's not a different core, but a different revision. It could still boasts the optimizations they made to the 9600GT since they had plenty of time to do so... I hope, or they're going to lose a lot of customers!
just curious, did you read that somewhere or do you know a way of finding out how much of the frame-buffer is being used by an application?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Fox
like how task manager tells you how much page file and physical memory you're using
thx
edit: thx Mad1723 :D
ATI Tray tools got a framebuffer monitoring graph and Rivatuner got a Framebuffer reader plugin that tells you how much memory you use ...
I think this card will be a darkhorse... why the extra 6 pin PCI_E needed for slight bump in clocks on same 65nm G92 core used on 8800GTS that uses a mere one 6Pin PCI_E
Also PVM managment has been radicalized....
Leading to my point that this cards going to be a darkhourse... these first cards comming out will be at those clocks to ensure cards work for consumers... but really will clock to hell and back... have more then the potentional to...
Sorry for spellings but hey im dyslesic! but thats not the point is it :D
well all long as this card comes out before my step-up ends, i am getting it.
and it will be on water :)
then we can truly see what this card can do.
So. Extra 6-pin power connection, which is NOT getting enough attention.
A.) Increased overclocking headroom and stability.
B.) Needs extra power for the speculated small increase in specs from G92 GTS.
C.) Specs are notably, but not radically, different than speculated. PCB design, which differs noticeably from G92 GTS, might indicate this possiblity.
D.) 9800GTX is a true darkhorse and Nvidia is playing everyone like fools, much like the G80 8800GTX and 8800GTS speculation of the past. The noticeably different PCB, electronic components, and dual 6-pin power connection might indicate this possibilty.
I'm banking on A and C, but hoping for D. If D is true, however, and the MSRP of the 9800GX2 is $600, MSRP of the 9800GTX would likely be upwards of $750.
Good slogan for nvidia :
Want a Mclaren F1 and dont have enough money ??
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3379/mcfq0.jpg
buy a 9800GTX :
http://www.hardware.info/images/news...e9800GTX-2.jpg
:D
regards
That the ZOTAC one? looks like their other designs.
I'd prefer a more exposed PCB that was black, but that's just me.
I'm thinking the exact same thing :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
9800gtx vs 8800gts 512 both oc'ed.
let's see the fps.
9800gtx has to win that duel surely....but by how much?
you are just one of those who are still hoping, lol. from the leaked 3dmark06 scores, my OCed 8800GTS 512 is faster than a stock 9800GTXQuote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
I am still hopeful too, but your post says it all. Stock vs. OC... My q6600 is faster than a stock qx6850 too. But which one is faster???Quote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
well my point is that they will be very close either way, at least the way things look right now. the 9800GTX will be the winner tho but the 8800GTS wont be far behind.
from a quick google search it seems that the improved compression algorithm on the 9600 is a feature of all g9x GPUs
Well, good news for 9800GTX I guess, better performance per clock... which is really good in this case!
well it means it'll probably be the same clock for clock as the 8800 GTS, which i thought of as bad news
40FPS in crysis vs. 30FPS. is my guess at the maximum performance margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
or
100FPS in cod4 vs. 75FPS in cod4
Basically nothing to write home about.
10 fps in crysis seems like a big deal to me!
not hoping; dont care; i'm getting niether;Quote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
but 9800gtx will beat 8800gts512; but im guessing 9800gtx will not be worth what they charge for it....although evry dude plus their dog will review it so it looks good if they wanna sell it :rolleyes:
Isnt the 9800 supposed to scale very well in SLi???? These cards are going to sell for $399, so price is decent.
Where did you hear that? If true great news for myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Is it just me, or are the SLI fingers on the 9GTX wider than those of past?
my step up ends on the 28th of march. do u think evga will put it on the step up list in 3 days?
aaarghhh
If ya lucky EVGA will do it before the 28th, that's how I got my 8800GTS 512 look at it daily mate !! I had one day left :)
nice, u gave me hope! it ll cost me only an extra 90e which i will happily exchange for better video memory and hybrid functionality :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
btw, how long after the release date did they added the 8800gts??
with eVGA germany on the day itself... got my card though 3 weeks later after I had send in my old card :)
Hoping for the same thing too :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
they better price these right, say 399USD..no Higher, otherwise it will FLOP.
no point in spending 650$ on a 9800GTX when one can get 512mb GTS and oc it a lil bit for under 300
You said it! I'll go ahead and get one if priced right.Quote:
Originally Posted by strange|ife
Since the only difference between the 9800 gtx and the 8800gts g92 is the extra sli connector, I wonder if it's possible to run one of each in sli as long as they're clocked the same.
Really, if the above were true, you would think that you could get 1 GTX and two 8800gts 512s and somehow mod the bios and SLi them together with the gtx in the middle.
I think you would be short one link for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreak86
Ah, true. I forgot that they did link the outside cards. Forgive my ignorance...
Crysis benchmarked on 9800GTX > http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=247591
http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GTX/11.jpg
4 fps with 8xQ 1680x1050???
And that's all you need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
What a piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
at one point or another though, you have to also credit crytek for just how poorly unoptimized the game is too
Do the 88 GTX's/Ultra's do better with their 384bit mem bus?
Uhhhh, i dont know if you guys know that Crysis has problems with AA enabled, even with the recent patch
heres a link to 9800gtx in sli benches; http://www.unihw.com/html/32/n-132.html doesnt look good
That's not the point. The point is that the 9800GTX is a disappointing card, AA or no AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
very true,Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
no real point upgrading if you have gt/x/s/ultra already
I picked up a second gtx for cheap off ebay and i'm happy
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7.../crysis8xQ.jpg
Well, not exactly playable. 9800GX2s gotta sell though so no 386bit for the 9800GTX
8x AA is unrealistic with that game tho, especially at that resolution.
can we see some dx10 non AA very high results?
I got just over 24fps at those settings with my 8800 Ultra XXX and Q6600 at 3.0ghz!Quote:
Originally Posted by hardrail