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The 0.1.7 didn't work with 9800GTX. After W1zzard@TPU make some change on his GPU-Z, the tool can read all the data of the card. Thanks, W1zzard! :)
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/26/9800GTX.jpg
Feb 28 Update:
http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/...gtx_4Ghz_1.jpg
9800GTX w/ X9650@4GHz, Click to enlarge
Original post at Expreview.com:up:
This thing is just a oced 8800GTS... Now the quesetion for me is 9800GTX or 9800GX2?
But in comparison to an 8800 GTX, it has fewer ROPs (16 vs 24), Still only DX 10.0 Support, smaller bus (256bit vs 384Bit), less RAM (512mb vs 768mb), less bandwidth (70.4GB/sec vs 86.4GB/sec).
But has higher clocks 675mhz vs 575mhz GPU, 1100mhz vs 900mhz Mem, 1688mhz vs 1350mhz Shader.
Really doesn’t seem like a great jump to me, but specs aside i wonder how it runs.
This is exceedingly lame.
does this card have the same compression optimization as 9600GT?
9600gt is 94 so I guess no
256bit bus. Weren't we hoping for 512bit? Or am I all messed up?
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Originally Posted by Tuvok-LuR-
um... the 9600GT has 64 stream procs
He was talking about the core revision. The 9600GT is a G94 based card. The 9800GTX is a G92.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajer
Ah ok. Hopefully they also gave it the same texture compressions though.
I hope so, this way 9800GTX as we know it will be worth buying if not i guess many will go for other solutionsQuote:
Originally Posted by cajer
I'm sure it will have the same optimizations. Otherwise there is no reason to even consider this card over the 8800GTX or 8800Ultra.Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
The G92 has the same as the G94.Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
one reason would be if my step up option is still available, lol. otherwise its pointless to get this things. im very disapointed.
how long will it take 'till someone benches it? seems like we've been waiting forever
+1. Thanks for upping the GAY NV :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ether.real
here's a pic of my 8800GTX @stock side by side
Actual performance numbers put aside, how can NVIDIA even give this card the name 9800GTX is beyond me, perhaps we're gonna see some 20% speed boost or maybe about same as Ultra but I guess that's the point of this card to get the Ultra replaced with G92 and giving it tri-SLI support for some hope for rich bastards to jump onto that wagon but calling it 9800GTX jeez.
at least it will lower the price of the 8800GTX on ebay lol
can anyone do this and throw up a stock 8800GTS 512 GPU-z Screenshot for a side-by-side comparison with the 9800GTX?Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
thought g80/ultras already had tri-sli support?Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
hmmmmm
Hmmmmm, doesnt look like much of an upgrade
so... 9800gx2 or 9800gtx?
here you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
+1 now i can afford to go sliQuote:
Originally Posted by safan80
smash the g80's prices down :)
this sucks. o well. can't really do anything about it.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ether.real
i hope it's cheap
I don't know what all of you were expecting. Nvidia doesn't have any competition right now(much like intel). Expect more mediocrity in the future until competition arises.
Wow...lame...it's almost as if nVidia wants to give way to ATI. ATIs solutions with the multi-gpu card was better than NV...and this card is just the suck, spec-wise.
so what?Quote:
Nvidia doesn't have any competition right now
so they make cheaper/crippled cards.
and say amd ("the competitor":rolleyes:)disappeared from the scene...then what will nvidia and intel do? decrease product development and increase prices:clap:
:lol:
retarded,
but if they making plenty of money then they can do wotever they like
upgrading changes back to 3-4 years vs 2 for me; upgrade market must be pitifully small.
i say 8800gtx will live for another year :lol: maybe ill buy one just b4 g100 is launched :rolleyes:
QFT... you can bet that nVidia R&D has not been sitting idle for the last 18 months. They have a beast waiting in the wings for the day AMD get's their act together. Right now, they are doing what they should and milking all possible profit from their existing architecture before it's day is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
BTW, how do we know that GPU-Z shot is real? Screen shots are the easiest thing to photochop ever! How about the owner show us a pic of that card in their system along with a bench?! :shrug:
You mean "photochop some change on his GPU-Z"... IMHO, Someone is having fun at everyone's expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by cookerjc
GPU-Z validation PageQuote:
Originally Posted by virtualrain
GAY GPU GAAAAAAAY :down:
im not surprised...............we knew this.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1...diahumpzh7.gif
Oh dear, that would be a downgrade to my BFG GTX... lol. So what now ?
This is effing Unbelievable, :shrug: almost every thing on the 9800GTX is lower then the 8800GTX, the ROPs, Text/Pix Fillrate, Bandwidth. I think I will buy another 8800GTX, or 9800GX2. :rolleyes:
When does R700 comes out ? 2009 ??
I can definitely see nvidia bringing out a 9900GTX around Christmas time now. *sigh*
looks more like a 9800gts than anything....why would they make everything worse than the previous generation but a few higher clocks speeds?
I think ill buy this one instead http://www.gainward.com/product/prod...roducts_id=155
and call it 9800 Ultra,lol!
no dx 10.1 support ?
Well think of the positives.
NO, don't rush me.
Ok, positves are that it might allow a lot of people to taste the old GTX at a far better price. Also, people with GTX / Ultra have a card which will still be good for them with no pressure to upgrade so making it a very good purchase.
I'm struggling here :p:
Shame it has not got 160 stream processors to justify the 9 series moniker. I don't like the 9800GTX x2 or whatever it is called either, not keen on 2 gpu cards.
I do however like the 9600GT. The 8600GT/S was always weedy but the 9600 with 64sp is very well balenced with it's 256bit bus. When the prices come down it will be a lot better value than one of these. It will be interesting to compare price and performance of SLI 9600 against this 9800GTX, both having similar specs then.
Regards
Andy
I would be interested to know why they made the PCB so much bigger as it appears it's just an OC'ed GTS512.
:confused:
Man this is turning out to be a huge dissapointment, i was laying off the gt and gts for this now im thinking ill just grab a gts :confused:
For 400-450 Euro I think. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I've had plans to upgrade my sistem with 9800 GTX, but now I think it's better to buy 8800 GTX or wait for G100 or R700.
I think this time Nvidia made a fool of us:mad: When there is no competition, the result is like this one:shakes:
Iv been waiting months for a upgrade, now this :bananal: :bananal: :bananal: :down:
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i waited a extra year for this!
that sm2 and even the sm3 score is nearly the same as my overclocked 8800gt!
This isn't the original 9800GTX that was scheduled to come out. Since ATI has nothing to compete with it, Nvidia is holding their true big guns back. I only hope R700 is a real powerhouse so that we'll finally start to see some nice items. As everyone else has already stated, this thing is just an overclocked 8800GTS 512mb. Nothing more.....
So glad that I bought a 8800GT.
Probably this card will be Xtreme overpriced.
Metroid.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...le/9800GTX.jpg
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A overclocked GTS 512 should be able to get a similar score.
damit, i hate this bench cause i cant tell what this score means lol.
dito :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
but that
doesn't sound good. :shakes:Quote:
A overclocked GTS 512 should be able to get a similar score.
overclock the CPU to 4GHz and lets see how it scales
Look here an oc'd GTS with a E4300 did a bit better.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
I haven't run a 3DMark bench in ages, so I'll have to take your word for it. If that's the case, then what will this put the speed at? G80 Ultra levels?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Garbage...
Still only 128 shaders... so what's supposed to be the difference between this and OC'd versions of the GTS? At the very least the Ultra could claim a few architectural tweaks over the GTX. :shakes:
looks like we will have to go 9800gx2 for an upgrade :mad:
Well you could just overclock a 3850 to perform like a 3870 too.. this is always the case. There might be changes that allow this to overclock better than a GTS 512, similar to what NVIDIA did with the Ultra to clock it higher than the GTX.
I hope Nvidia has something better cooking or else AMD is going to walk all over them with R700 based GPUs the same way Nvidia did with G80.
this card better be effin cheap if its an overclocked 8800gts. its hard to justify even $399 when an 8800gts 512mb is how much now, like under $300. i still would like to see a crysis bench before i officially call it a bad card.
Pathetic. If this was a 9800GT it would be ok, but…
OMG, whatta crap:p: Just yesterday benchmarked my 8800GTS much higher.. and with 2 core CPU only.. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...4/06-14835.jpg
Damn, this is lame. Maybe it will perform better than the specs, they seem to have been tweaking the architecture of the PCB a bit but I doubt it...
Thats crap. My 8800GT while clocked more scores damn close to that score. Abit thats stock and if true, key word if, that has to be one of the worst updates to a better card. Toss in more shaders and faster shanders at least or something.
I dont know why people are suprised. Its still only a G92 core with higher clocks. The next gen is about 3 months off when R700 is due to be released.
You can't really tell from a simple 3DMark score what a card can do, lol.
3Ghz CPU is limiting any card like hell in this crappy made bench, even if it's a quadcore (3DMark06 hardly uses 2 CPUs in the graphics tests).
Will be more intresting to see what this card can do in fullHD res or with actual demanding games like Crysis. Even though for Crysis you won't be happy with high res and only 512meg Vram, as my tests with a 8800GT vs. my G80 GTS have shown. The GT just runs out of Vram sometimes and this one won't be better.
Well, think of it on the positive side: those of you who have an 8800GTX / Ultra are mighty happy right about now.
Threads Merged.
look before you post... especially when the post is 3 posts down.
Could it be that the 3dmark2006 calculator isn't calculating this result properly ? I get 13718 marks if I put in the numbers of the score...
i call bs. this can't be true.
somebody found a way to fake gpuz validations. or they just wrote a new bios for the 8800 GTS 512MB.
Welcome to the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
LMAO at how long my 8800gtx has lasted. :D
it's just a freaking higher binned 8800GTS G92 with default clocks higher..........i kind of expected it anyway
8800 GTX and Ultra owners happy?? Yeah I guess if you've got a CRT or medium resolution monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
For any reason, 9800GTX needs at least this one thing to lessen the fuzz around it, and thats the bus width. Even at 384 bit, it would make this card good to be called a GTX, and a 512 bit to make it a real 9800GTX. Nvidia might just be using this card for the lack of a significant competition IMO... Anyway, i don't care about this card and i aint buying it. This card seems to have a lesser time in the market than the 8800GTX, before it will be EOL'd:shakes: ...
wtf, those 3dmark scores suck!
my OCed 8800GTS G92 kills this things by 1000 in SM2 and 600 in HDR/SM3
If these cost 50$ more than the 8800GTS, I feel like this is going to be a complete rip-off...
Lets hope that ATI's next offering does better. Or does NVIDIA already know?
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Originally Posted by BTK
Yep , i think the main reason for 9800 launch its Tri-Sli support
because with 8800GTX/Ultra EOL there is No card with Tri-Sli support so they release 9800 , litle better than 8800GTS but with tri-Sli support
regards
At least ill get my hdmi port for true HD. :rofl:
Gee, I play games at 1920x1080(42" panasonic plasma), and my GTX has been handling everything I throw at it besides crysis with NO complaints. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedld9
Frankly, I don't see too very much of an issue with the stagnant gpu market. Means developers have to actually optimize for the current architectures, no?? :up: At the very least, it's made the 8800GTX one of the best gpu investments in quite a long time. About a year and a half and still nothing has managed to make it look weak!
I waited 3 years and a half to upgrade the video card and now this bull comes to the horizon...guess I will remain to my 6800 Ultra for a long...long time
get an HD4870X2Quote:
Originally Posted by CoolZone
Moral of the story is, just hold on your 8800gtxes. They've got little more life in them then originally expected.
This card is f*cking pointless. What a dissapointment.
for a new rig being built in the next month i guess a 3870x2 will have to do
Something tells me that it will... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by S1mon-
The only difference between that an my BFG OC GTS is that the core-shader ratio is different (by about 12MHz). 1100MHz seems to be my wall (on air) for memory but I believe overvolting the VRAM can give a little more head room.
Are they simply rebranding the GTS as the GTX by overvolting the memory by (probably) just enough to ensure it beats a stock clocked 3870x2?
Can we expect to see OC'd 8800GT being sold as 9800GT?
Will the Ultra be a similarly specced G94?
This is almost as lame as Mitsubishi's transition from the EVO 9 to EVO 10, they just stuck an 'X' on the end
This is a great example of why I do NOT wait on potential future products to determine my builds. I simply get whatever is best at the moment. I've found that I loose the same amount of money if I'm constantly reselling technology that is newer and still holds its value rather than holding on to something for 2 years and selling it for pennies.
I'm glad I went for the 8800GTS when most everyone else was waiting on this card. I've enjoyed the last few months of Crysis with it.
actually crysis makes it look like crap not only gtx but ultra either :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
lol, i really dislike this one, as i can mostly do the same scores and at same frequency, with my quad and ultra...
joke!
hhhHHAhha interesting to see my ultra survive that long!
Like wise, I get ~14.5k with 3.4GHz E4500 on my GTS at 750/1860/1100 on a Maximus Formula. What CPU was that data taken with?Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekFSE
A 8800GT that performs better than some 8800GTSs, a 8800GTS 512Mb that performs better than a 8800GTS 640Mb and a 9800GTX that will probably have less performance than a 8800GTX.
nVidia is being a real "gentleman" for its less-informed costumers. Especially when it comes to erroneously naming it's graphics card in order to
a) emptying older cards' stocks (8800GT>8800GTS 320/640Mb)
b) getting it's clients to pay some extra $150 for a card that supposedly belongs to a new generation and in fact only has higher-clocked memory (8800GTS 512Mb = 9800GTX).
Will last longer then your (our) old 6800 GT I bet. :) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
So... $50 for an X in the title, higher binned/overvolted RAM and a few extra PCB tracks. I suppose we should have seen this coming when the GTS moved to G92.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
tbh this is the first time I regret I did not buy a high-end card. this was perhaps the best deal for the past five years.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3NZ0