Does anyone know anything about this memory yet? Highest-binned 4GB DDR2 kit out there AFAIK. $170 @ the Egg right now.
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Does anyone know anything about this memory yet? Highest-binned 4GB DDR2 kit out there AFAIK. $170 @ the Egg right now.
8 layer PCB too :)
It's still too expensive...the 8000CL5D-4GB kit overclocks easy to 1066MHz...and only costs $114 shipped.
My kit of that, and of TeamGroup 1066 2x2, are both en route.
Mind telling us where you got the Team 4GB 1066 kit? I can't find it anywhere. I think I'd prefer Team over G.Skill.
i have read on a lot of places the team kit does not usually even do 1066.. so id imo wait to see more results
Maybe with a particular board but as a general statement I would say that's BS. If the memory is being sold as 1066 then it will run at that speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
maybe they are having issues then i dont know.. just a lot of people said that they had problems getting it to run at 1066..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820313043
Out of stock now, unfortunately.
2.2-2.3V?????...way too high, G.SKILL can accomplish the same clock speed with 2.0V
yeah but they are also out of stock now in the g skill in 1066's..
Sorry...but this kit can't compete against this!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
$110 with free shipping.
The 1000 mhz one is only 6 layers PCB. The 1066 Mhz is 8 layers, hence why it costs more, and it should also overclock more.
But why arent there any reviews on it yet? Cant G skill give out a single review sample?
I'll test it for them :p
Just ordered 2 kits for 8G total from the egg since I just saw they were back in stock today :clap:
I beat you to it! This maximus overvolts the memory, but at 2.1 Volts real and 2.0V bios, I have 8 gigs running at their rated speed. This isn't an overclock, but 8 gigs running that fast is pretty good for the voltage. I finally got this new setup stable in the we hours of this morning, but I may try some tests later. I do know that they will NOT post with 4-4-4-12 at the same speed and voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWFLTrader
6 layers & 8 layers, u wont really see a difference in overclock ( excepting in very high overclock ...)Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8...tstabledc7.jpg
-Testing more tonight
i see 548 so it doesnt seem like they oc much more than the 1000's do.. i missed both these and the team's today this sucks
Are you on the right forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by zEpLm
High overclock is exactly what we look for here. I'll take the 8 layer ram anyday over 6 layers. Except my current ram is fine untill this one falls below £100 (currently £117). Once its below £100 I upgrade and sell :)
Actually I had the impression that these would be good to reach 1200 mhz. If not I wait even longer for the next 2x2 Gb set.
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6...erf8560gt6.jpg
Edit: See Below :)
2x2GB 1066PK Auto SPD
5-5-5-15
tRRD:3
tRFC:52
tWR:6
tRTP:3
tRD:8
-3-5-4-6-4-6
2x1GB 1066HK Auto SPD(my 2GB Kit on RMA)
Micron D9GCT
5-5-5-15
tRRD:11
tRFC:46
tWR:10
tRTP:5
tRD:8
-5-5-4-6-4-6
Edit: Orthos Testing at 2.10v Bios ~ 2.224v HMonitor Currently Testing Stable 8:30 blend and counting...
I was expecting this ram would overclock up to 1200 with 8 layer pcb i guess the price isnt worth it getting this model. I was having dilemma between this and crucia ballistix tracer 8500 2gb kit. im go with crucial now:D
2.2v
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6...able560qc9.jpg
-2.10v Bios ~ 2.224v Hardware Monitor
-Auto SPD Timings
-Still Stable as I type so its time to increase FSB. :)
UPDATE:Code:DRAM Static Read Control:DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : DISABLED
BOOST: 0
Performance Level: 7 ?
DRAM Voltage : 2.10~2.224v Hardware Monitor
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2
-Used Auto SPD Timings for all Tests so there is a lot of headroom.
-Tried to push 565 mhz and Orthos Failed under 1 min. Vdimm made no difference pushed to 2.14 Bios Setting.
-Got bored its time to game!
what is the chip configuration on these 64x 8 per stick??
Geil Evo One CL4 can do better than G.Skill 1066 but cost little more.
8-layer pcb also.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=177363
If you are to buy 2x2GB sticks think if 520+ or 540+ is your goal for 24/7
so as to buy accordingly.
After all these are PK Performance series modules, please don't take my juvenile testing as proof. I discovered more hindrance my board has over 455 FSB, and I never changed the Timings from default. I was just pushing Max Clock on Stock SPD against Bios 0907 with different performance levels. Great sticks, just need legitimate reviews on boards without bugs. :ROTF:
The 8000 6 layer kit costs £85, but these cost a whopping £115!
£15 overpriced, they need to be reduced. They really arent worth it if they cant do 1200 mhz.
as far as I know those are the best choices for a 2X2GB DDR2@ more than 800Mhz stock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...pc_4gb_edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227277
but i'm sure more items will be avalable soon (cuz of the yorkfields low multi)
Which version of 1200mhz? The SuperPi version of the Orthos 1hr version? We all know what 32m means to Orthos for differing stability opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Will it blend?
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7149/orthosgi8.jpg
wich would be better then? (oc wise)
the g.skill or the team one?
or the geil evo one's?? they def seem to be a contender
I'm burnt out on testing and tweaking for now, I still think these have more to offer in the clocks department. There is just not enough reference material available thru review sites to warrant testing again. For now anyway.
Well, not really....Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
http://www.memoryc.com/products/desc...ml?countryc=GB
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...0pkseries.html
Geil Evo one = £163
G. Skill = £117
Edit - The evo ones also require more voltage, so they arent actually as good as the G. skills!
well those prices are a bit higher than we get here from newegg but yeah the geil's are a bit more..
Yea the UK always gets ripped off. I wish Newegg could do international shipping to us for $15. That would still be cheaper then normal next day UK delivery which costs around £8 for big boxes!Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
No Evo are far better than the top end G.Skill. Just look http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=177363Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
If you could find G.Skill that could do 560+ stable with 2.0V...
What about using 4 dimms side by side, I remember someone posting that you couldnt run 8G of Geil because the heatspreaders took up too much space?? anyone confirm this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyrus
I just noticed that. So why do they rate them for 2.3v on the 1066 Mhz kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyrus
I wonder how much they overcolock on 2.3v!
Someone buy the 1066 Mhz Geil modules and review them please.
Mine does 577 with 2.3V.
4 dimms can also be used.
They are thin
Here's a review of the 2GB kit (also 8 layers, using the same chips I assume). The 4GB kit should produce similar (albeit slightly lower perhaps) results.
I think I've finally settled on this 4GB kit. I'll post my results when I get them. Unfortunately, that might not be for another week yet. Until then I'll just have to limp along @ 9x420 with the memory I have now :(
The Eve Ones are in stock at Newegg again. I thought about ordering them, in fact I voided one transaction that was complete. I'm gonna stick with GSkill until I get my RMA sticks back, then we'll see.
Edit: I take that back lol, I went ahead and ordered them. Plus, my GSkills are still under Return policy.
You won't regret 2x2GB Evo One CL4-4-4@2.0V my friend.
which did you order the 800's or the 1066's?? after talking with geil and asking on their forum they said the esoteria's will oc further than the evo one's will ??? anyone agree??
a quote from chuck (admin) over at their forums "Both are extremely overclockable.
I'd go with the 1066, since you are obviously planning on doing some major benchmarking. The extra headroom may come in handy if you decide to swap dividers around.
BLACK DRAGONS were originally designed for gaming. Turns out that they overclock very well.
ESOTERIA was specifically designed for overclocking. High-end ICs with all of the stops pulled out. Basically.
You probably won't ever need 2.5v, but they are constructed to take it, just as well.
I've run one set at 2.4v at super FSB/12:10 in some benchmarks.
Personally, I prefer ESOTERIA. You can't go wrong with either.
As far as 800 vs 1066, it's a bin-speed rating, not exclusively GeIL. Any manufacturer uses such ratings.
I've only pulled off DDR2 1000 with the 800s, but that was due to system limitations. Probably could have gotten more."
crap just noticed the 1066's are no gone from newegg in the evo's.... arghhhhh i was truly about to pull the trigger..
I understood from your post that Esoteria are better than Black Dragon,
not the Evo One. And note that there are no CL4 Black Dragons only Evo One's.
as i said that was the response i got over at their forum when i asked about the differences between them
and if you are looking at 800's than yes the evo's are available in cas4 but the evo's in 1066 are cas5..
id still like to know which he ordered the 1066's or the 800's.. the 1066's do seem to be a bit high in price imo at 221$.. depends on how well they oc i guess
Browsing newegg and im wondering about these gskills F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231148
Price is pretty attractive...wonder if they are the same chips as F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ and just rated at 4-4-4 @ 800 . Couldnt find any specific reviews
The 1066 Evo Ones , as I'd like to push closer to 1200 at 445 FSB on 400 Strap.They are out of stock now, but I should have these by Friday hopefully. Spyrus you better be right or I'm billing you lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by zfactor
Newegg: 4GB Geil Selection
Those Black Dragons look sick. I've added them to my short list of 4GB kits. Thanks for the recommendation!Quote:
Originally Posted by .OCX
Well i was looking for someone with Evo 1066 and this is you :clap:
You should first try CL4 ones, but for 580+ 24/7 maybe the 1066 will do it.
Good luck, i am waiting your results :up:
Will add this about the F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK kit - does not like AMD. C1 on my 790FX-M2R, with 5000+ BE.
First time Ive seen those esoterias. Ive not seen them in the UK yet.
I haven't bought anything but GSkill until now. From PC4400 LE 0437's, some 1066HK's, and this latest 4GB DDR2-1066PK Kit. I read some posts/threads on Geils forums and they seem to have some pretty good customer service and support. Not that GSkill has bad service or support, but lately their DDR2 products offerings, although affordable, haven't been up to speed. No pun intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by techguy2k5
:ROTF:
Getting back on topic, I just received my G.Skill 8500 2X2 sticks, am testing them now, will let yall know how it turns out.
sorry about that...still wish i got those evo's
I am still tweaking my board voltages and once I get done with P95 testing I will post a screen shot.
so far 5-5-4-13 everything else auto
2.04v (2.096)actual Vdimm
1081mhz with 8 Gig installed.
NB is running at 1.41v (1.42v) actual, Temps 37 - 41c
FSBT 1.38v (1.42v) actual
actual voltages and temps are measured thru bios and I have a fan on the NB to keep it cool :up:
With this kit, that uses the same chips of the PC8000 kit, you can use 5-5-3-15 with no problems at all. In fact, I can't boot with mine over 1020 With 5-5-4-15, but with 5-5-3-15 they overclock all the way to 1100Mhz :up:
BTW I'm waiting for stock to get a pair of 8500 to test :up:
Strange because 5-5-4-15 is loose compare to 5-5-3-15.
Yeah, but that's how it is. With a friend's 1066 kit I've observed the same behaviour, 1100 5-5-3-15 with no problems at all.
Since we have similar mobos can you post other timings?
Mine can do 5-5-4-x with no problem and if i remember correctly i
have tried to do the 5-5-3 thing but it was no go for Redlines & Geil.
On his Maximus we used the following settings for a quick stability test (1h of Orthos blend priority 5): all timmings on AUTO, only 5-5-3-15 entered manually. 333 strap, 5:6 divider with 460FSB resulting in ~1104Mhz. BIOS 907 if I can remember correctly. Voltage set to 2.0v in BIOS, around 2.05v in Windows. With those settings the kit passes at least 1h, and they can do it with less voltage, I'm sure. That was just a quick test.
Anyway in a few days I'll have my own kit, will post results :)
I'm was trying out the G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK on a DFI X38 LT at stock settings when my DFI P35 LT board came in.
In moving them to the DFI P35 LT, I started to get a small amount of errors with memtest v2.01 at stock settings. In moving them to other slots I noticed that the heatspreader on one dimm is somewhat loose (and no, it wasn't me trying to take a peak :D ).
I usually press down on the edges when installing and noticed that one side gave.
There is only some slight tension on that end of the dimm. It's making contact with the TIM (a white tape that runs along the spreader) but not enough pressure to keep the spreader from moving if touched.
I really hate to have to RMA these already.
Here's a snapshot. It seems G.Skill (as does Geil) doesn't like to advertise what chips they are using.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/861/10041031ub8.jpg
we don't recommend it to run on DFi X38 and P35 for now. it has problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Signal64
Oskar is working on it now
These modules use different IC's then the 8000 sticks? The PC2 8000 sets have no issues with the DFI P35/X38 boards.
Strange, I didn't have any errors on the X38 with Memtest+ v2.01.
Memtest+ v2.00 had problems on P35/X38 boards (which I didn't know and was driving me nuts). You would get about 20 or so errors after the first pass with 4GB of memory (and assume above).
I was getting that with an OCZ kit as well.
They released Memtest+ v2.01 on Feb 21 and it addresses the problems:Being bitten once, I'm not convinced that there still isn't a bug when I ran it on the P35 overnight. I was picking up a very small amount of errors (about 1 every 8 passes).Quote:
# Solved a major bug in Memory Address Errors Reporting
# Corrected Intel 3-Series (P35/X38) chipset init
I was going to revert to Memtest+ 1.70 when I noticed the heat spreader issue. Turns out the second dimm has the issue as well.
@G.S Technician
Are these heat spreaders safe to use?
Is it "normal" that they could slide with a bit of pressure?
Or did these puppies get to hot and caused the issue?
It's not like they are falling off and does take some pressure to move them.
It does look like they are making contact.
Guess I'm trying to get out of RMA'ing them which I know is the right thing to do.
hmm i own a dfi x38 and was still considering these.. so what is the current word on this issue
Think we are still finding out.
But these are powerchips also, so no different ICs than PC8000 only high-binned.
How can you tell?
Typical Powerchip
http://ramlist.ath.cx/ic/img/Powerchip.jpg
Those who have problems, try to set tRFC to higher values.
PC8000 has 52 by SPD and this is not enough in some cases. Probably PC8500 has the same problem.
The heatspreaders on all of my G skill modules have been fine untill now.
When installing any ram module, you are supposed to apply equal pressure along the whole module, not press one side at a time. You are just asking your modules to break if you do that!
Apply pressure with BOTH hands on each end of the modules when installing them. If you are installing modules with no heatspreaders, install it loosely, place a flat edged pencil on top of it and press down both ends.
i've heard that before, however my board refuses to boot with more than 52 on the PC8000. it's a P965 QuadGT btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronos
here is the setting for entry level user. just follow pictures to set up bios setting
------------------Download PDF user manual------------------
I'm very curious what the problem might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by G.S Technician
I tried these out again on the DFI X38 (BIOS 111) and they are fine at all stock settings. Could only get them to OC to DDR2 1130 stable, but didn't finish trying all possibilities.
I'm moving them back to the DFI P35 LT to check them out again (using memtest+ 1.70 this time).
Edit: And thanks for the PDF. It's not something I've seen other mem companies do to get folks up and running for the first time.
gs thanks for pdf.
this is a really nice guide for beginners. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by G.S Technician
would be great if you also included specific timings and subtimings for DFI boards.
I have 8GB of this running at 1068MHz.:up:
http://webpages.charter.net/stg556/ram.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/stg556/memtest.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/stg556/bios1.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/stg556/bios2.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/stg556/bios3.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/stg556/bios4.jpg
check out our website and XS GSKILL section. I will have more and more PDF manual done over there
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...play.php?f=189
I second that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_KHAN
I bought this memory to go into my DFI DK X38. Should I be expecting any problems? any suggestions?
my system booted with a DFI DK x38 + q6600 with the fsb strap auto at 333/xQuote:
Originally Posted by Unoid
Memory booted stock at 1000mhz 5-5-5-5 at 1.9V
Everything was fine. Never got a chance to OC any because after installing vista SP1. I decided to update my mobo's bios before Ocing.
Followed DFI's instructions with WINFLASH on their website which never said anything about vista x64 being a problem.
Winflash crashed and left me with a curropt bios. Plus this mobo has no removable bios chip.
= RMA. Will report back
6 days later no response. talk about helpful. haha
why don't you ask in gskill section?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unoid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unoid
If you had actually looked around a bit you would have noticed that many people are running those G.Skills little brother (the 4gb 8000 kit) in different x38 boards with no problems at all. The kit you bought is just a higher bin with a 8 layer pcb, I see no reason why it shouldn't work well. Remember, search is your friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unoid
Oh and btw, no matter what ANY motherboard maker tells you, _NEVER_ flash your BIOS with Windoze based tools. Do it from a USB stick. Just don't buy this marketing bull and save yourself a RMA. That is if you want to be on the safe side and if you like your motherboard... if not, then do go on flashing via Windows! :shrug:
Sounds good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by p2501
I think so too, but when I saw the price and checked what people where achieving with the 4gb 8000 kit I bought that one instead. It's pretty solid ram so I guess your will be awesome too! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unoid
(just watch the voltage and the overvolting of your board, going above 2.1 is dangerous, go above 2.2 and it starts to die)
Thanks for the heads up.Quote:
Originally Posted by p2501
They use the same Powerchip ICs but Gskill bins them very aggressively. 800s aren't 1000s aren't 1066s. If you buy GSkill (and they are a good quality product), be sure to buy the speed you need...or just trust luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
P.S. Powerchips don't scale with voltage very well. Once you get to about 2.0-2.1v, that's all you'll get.
If you want Powerchip sticks that have built in OCability, get Dominators or Mushkin XPs.
My kit of F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK show only ~1076 MHz under linpack :(
For its price is acceptable result. No more.
I just ordered 2 kits of this ram. I will let you know how the 8GB performs on my Rampage Forumula.