LGA1366
bigger than LGA775
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LGA1366
bigger than LGA775
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Interesting...
The center looks like a picture of a Core 2 Quad. :)
Nice to see some real pictures of this beast.
yay for 1st pic of intels death to overclocking and servers (or atleast bad quarters)
As a Moderator here at XS I have to tell you that Pr0n is not allowed!:ROTF:
So, we will have two different motherboards LGA1160 and LGA1366 for the same Nehalem-based chips?
Noice...
Looks like they are saving room for the octocore.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraful
As I understand it, it will be one socket for server/enthusiast and one for desktop, IMC and no IMC respectively.
wow baby that is a lot of PINS. oh mama :slobber:
:shock: now that looks quite sweet.
I know what I'll be upgrading too.
I thought: (?)Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
LGA1160 for mainstream desktop (dual channel DDR3)
LGA1366 for high end desktop (triple channel DDR3)
LGA1567 for MP server (Quad channel FB-DIMM)
Looks sexy! Can't wait!
Nehalem-based 3 ChipQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashraful
◇Bloomfield
・4-core
・LGA1366
・3ch DDR3
・Support QPI（Quick Path Interconnect）
・L2=8MB
・Support SMT
・2008 Q4
◇Lynnfield
・4-core
・LGA1160
・2ch DDR3
・don't Support QPI（Quick Path Interconnect）
・L2=8MB
・Support SMT
・2009 H1
◇Havendale
・2-core＋GPU
・LGA1160
・2ch DDR3
・dos't Support QPI（Quick Path Interconnect）
・L2=4MB
・Support SMT
・2009 H1
is it a boy or a girl?
Hermaphrodite.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
If this come true, looks like xmas is going to be fun for a lot of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
wait.... neha has less cache then yorkie?
I'd guess that three channel DDR3 and QPI will make the cache size less important.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
probably to save money and improve yields since this a monolithic quad core. also, don't forget the k8 cache situation, imc reduces the impact that more cache has. plus, its probably going to be tweaked as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
8MB on 1 die vs 6MB on 1 die.. hellllllo :fact:
6+6 = 12 is like cheat :rofl:
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
nehalem is a stacked duel core with hyper transport 8MB will mean 4+4 or 8+8
i dont like the imc its bad for amd and its going to be bad for intel we dont need the added heat to the cpu when the cpu puts out more watts, and it kills memory advancements we will be with 1600-1800mhz ddr2 for a while (maybe some 2ghz but no real innovation)
So there will be Naahelm's for more than one socket?
:(
can someone shed some light for me regarding the 2 and 3 ch ddr3 setup?
1. why is the 2 ch coming out later, seems to me that would be the lower
performing one.
2. i take it the 2 ch does not relate to dual channel and 3 ch to triple
channel, if so why ddr3 dual channel, wasen't the hole point of goin to ddr3
to get an additional channel besides the change of memory access pattern?
thanks
btw, i wish they were here next week. a whole year of waiting :(
i heared bloomfield first, which supposedly is the most expensive platform with tylersburg chipset / QPI and triple channel ddr3
Lynnfield (performance/desktop) and Havendale (integrated graphics core) later with dual channel ddr3 and ibexpeak PCH.
but as to what when where etc it could all be subject to changes prior to actual release....who knows?
and i also thought all 3 had integrated mem. controllers
also heard rumours that there will be a dual core nehalem; a 775 nehalem; with and or without imc...:confused::lol: and a variant to support ddr2 aswell; and a kitchen sink codenamed nehalem also:)
:doh:
...but it's a pic. of a chip up there for sure.
thx for the new information :rolleyes:
IMC is supposedly only for server and enthusiast chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
What is the cache subsystem of Nehalem ? ( L1 size ? and is there an 8MB shared L2? )Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
Because when you launch a new product you need to ramp production.As a result you 1st launch pricey , low volume parts - servers and Xtreme Edition models . Once you have the production in place and some inventory you go for mainstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by bot@xs
No it is for all :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Let me remind you of a Nehalem board for normal people.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4...6356598xy6.jpg
Think LGA775 vs LGA771. Extreme is just moved to LGA771 with skulltrail and onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraful
This thread will be closed... pr0n isnt allowed on XS...
qpi sounds stupid...
massive package... looks impressive :slobber:
looks nice i hope it will overclock great
Considering theres only 6 weeks to the spring IDF we can expect to see a good few leaks from partners in the upcoming weeks before we get an in depth presentation at the big show.
its rather simple, instead of intel manufacturing non QP and non triple channel ddr3 they will just use the chips that "fail" which takes time to accumulate enough to supply the market. It always works that way, all manufacturers will spin for the best silicon and parts that don't meet the cut will trickle down to supply the mainstream........nvidia,ati and amd all do this.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bot@xs
Right now I'm willing to bet that intel is only manufacturing QX quads, failed cache's = regular quads, failed cores = core 2 Xtremes, failed cache and cores = c2d, failed c2d cache = c2 celerons, failed c2d cores = single core celerons..............It's just a big domino effect, $hit rolls down hill.............
AMD Tricore for example of the opposite side?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
triple channel :O
guess its a girl... as the mobo socket has to be the boy....Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Interesting. I'd like to see the pricing and clock speeds--I highly doubt that this'll be a "Phenom" type of launch, as Intel has these samples that seem to be doing very well and running smoothly. I think it's likely that we won't get much OC out of these things in first and second steppings, though it'll get better like the Core 2 chips did.
Okay TriChannel DDR, since it'll have enough bandwith maybe they now make an effort to lower latencies?!
And about the boy or girl discussion, well the board may be the boy here but it's sort of senseless anyway since the chip package has no sockets, so it's actually neuterly or whatchamacallit...
But back to topic, wow! Me wants!
Looks like Photoshop :shrug:
Where can i buy one?:shrug:
No way for Q4 2008. Do you believe that? Intel is winning the game right now. There's no need to rush.
Q4 2008 for very few chips, real availability (you'll still have to coordinate NewEgg raids) in Q1 2009. Good timing, I think. I'll be due for a new system in Q3 or Q4 2009--though I'll probably go DP for that system.
dude... all great toys of men are called girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Won
Cars always represent a female name.
Boats are called females.
Even planes are named after girls.
This rig would fall under a toy for men. So it has to be a girl. :yepp: :rofl:
I thought that was a North American trend? Don't Russians name their ships, tanks, etc. after men? I seem to remember that quote from the The Hunt for the Red October book. No clue if Mr. Clancy was just making things up or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com/2...ls-leaked.html
sums everything up nicely
Lynnfield and Havendale have no QPI because they have nothing to talk to with it. The memory controller and northbridge are all integrated on die. The only external things that the chips talk to is the memory and the Ibex Peak PCH that does all the normal southbridge tasks.
1. Intel makes much more money and creates more orders of following products by making a strong showing in the server market and the enthusiast market. It also takes a bit longer to validate to the server market and that process will drive most of the changes in prodruct revisions as it is the most sensitive to errata.Quote:
Originally Posted by bot@xs
2. DDR2 can do dual channel, triple channel or any numbers of channels. the recent change is not due to the shift to DDR3, but the limitation of the current memory controller architecture. The new IMC's have been setup to deal with more channels.
Havendale is dual core. No 775 support, and only one i know of is MP servers with FB-DDR2Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
nope all of them have IMC, some only have 2 channels, and not all of them need QPIQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Not reallly, for nehalem everything is pretty much it's own product just binned to run at different speeds. Sure some of the failed quad chips may end up down lower, but we would much rather make 200 quality dual cores on a wafer as a seperate product, then count on having a product that only has 100 on a wafer to have lots of bad chips. wafer space is expensive real estate.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
No, Americans don't just name stuff like that after Women. But they are just as in old English are gender specific. Tanks aren't named after Women but former Generals.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE JEW (RaVeN)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patton_tank
Even older tanks like the first was the Stuart, Next Grant before Pershing. I was an Armor Crewman in the Army 19 Echo.
Ships are name after either Admirals, Presidents or folks important to the Navy. ALMOST None have strictly Female names. Most Aircraft get their names from creatures either Birds or Prey, are Mean Cats 90%. Helos are name from American Indian tribes like Apache, Arapaho, Sioux and others like Ranger. By gender a ship is Female though, like she was a good ship.
I think, or at least what I understood, was more the pronoun (as you touched on near the end with mention of gender). Re-reading my post, I see I was unclear in that.
Example.
North American
"Hey, nice benching rig!"
"Yup, she's a beaut."
Russian
"The Red October will be central to our plans to defect."
"Yes, he will need to be run optimally for us to succeed."
To rephrase my question, do Russians "predominantly" use the pronoun "he" to describe "man toys" as outlined in the Red October novel?
so big CPU...
OK Gender Specific my bad too. We have Germans here who can go into a lot of Detail like Kids being neutral, ship, bridge being feminine and so on, it affects their articles like; is, a, an and etc.. it came from from old English like the and thou, Die, Der, Den and so on. Maybe a Processor would be Male while the Whole computer might might be Female?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE JEW (RaVeN)
.......too confusing!
We need language benchmarks.........stat! ;)
Oh, and I think 3 different sockets is cr@ppy.......no matter how the Intel PR tries to spin it.
hehe, correct, we have three different articles "der", "die" and "das" ( male, female, neutral ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
ship is neutral in German by the way.
So yes, every word, or better substantive, has one of the three articles, which change when it's plural etc...
Sorry for OT... :-)
The biggest question I have is what exactly does the tylersburg chipset contain - surely its more than just a pci-e controller/switch? Otherwise the XE will just be gaining an extra memory channel, and more than x16 pcie channels by moving the pcie controller offboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Edit: After further thought the market positioning clicked, see posts below
Tylersburg is nothing else than a PCIe switch with QPI links. Also XE is targetted permantly for DP. Not singlesocket anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
SLI/CF is already a small niche market. So is this. Just like Skulltrail, 4x4 and so on.
AMD and Intel is going more and more platform oriented. The onboard PCIe for performance down to value is another signal of this. Even value also got an ondie IGP class GPU.
Flexibility is simply gone from anything but XE. And it will be the same from AMD in near future. Its just a matter of time before we sit with complete system on a chip.
I thought bloomfield is a single socket gainestown (one of the QPI links disabled)?
If XE was going to be multi socket it would use gainestown, not bloomfield.
Edit: Just realised that Bloomfield is not just going to be XE desktop, but midrange up as well.
So theres 4 nehelam cores:
1: Xeon MP - Beckton
2: Xeon/Desktop - DP - Gainsestown/SP - Bloomfield ( 1 QPI lnk disabled)
3: Value/Mobile - Lynnfield/Clarksfield
4: Integrated GPU - Havendale/Auburndale
Lynnfield threw me a bit, as its a quad core so doesn't seem much lower than the full fat core, but obviously the greater integration is more for the notebook market, but also means that value boards ban be made cheaper and smaller (one less chip on board). But Bloomfield is the chip most full sized/enthusiast boards are likely to use. Easier to think of the value desktop boards using the notebook chips (3 or 4) rather than the standard desktop ones (2)
There is a difference on DP and MP.Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
Bloomsfield=2 CPUs, Gainestown=4-? CPUs. Just like 5300 and 7300 Xeons today.
But there is only 2 sockets....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE JEW (RaVeN)
http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com/2...ls-leaked.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
The link says that Gainstown is the DP chip, Bloomfield single socket, with beckton the MP chip.
3 socketsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
1: (socket 1567) Xeon MP (4 channel fb dimm, 4 qpi links)
2: (Socket 1366) Xeon DP/UP/performance desktop (3 channel ram, 1 or 2 qpi links)
3: (socket 1160) Notebook/value desktop (2 channel ram, onboard pci-e, with or without gpu) [no northbridge required]
Which is actually more logical and simpler than the current situation where the same dies using different sockets for notebook(merom), desktop(conroe) and xeon(woodcrest) markets.
Sorry on my part too! Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
The only strange news I've heard or seen said Intel is not finished or completed plans for how many differrent models of Nehalem. Now if I could only find the link.
So when did IMC on all Nelahem become official information?
There were quite a few different articles and such about IMC for only server and enthusiast.
Beckton is an EX chip. And I avoided it since basicly noone here will ever have one. Just like Tigerton is not LGA771 either.Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
Also 1366 is for Extreme/Servers only. No performance desktop.
1160 contains all the we usually refer to. To compare with today, Q9450, Q6700, E8x00 series etc is 1160. Only the QX series would be 1366 along with servers.
It has pretty much alway been like this and that's why I can't figure where you came up with this.....(sorry, I don't intent to be a bit blunt)Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
The End of this year is gonna be very interesting
I would have still liked them to combine 1567 and 1366 into one socket. This was done for Socket F, 604, 940, etc. That way if, by chance, you had a Beckton board but could only afford Gainestown procs initially, you could just buy a set and then upgrade later (ala Opteron 2XX vs. 8XX series).Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Unlikely, granted, due to the difference in architecture, but some of us still dream of the old K7 days (where buying one cheap chip could net you a mobile, desktop, or server chip with just a defogger kit).
They use different memory types, and with the MP having more ram channels and twice as many qpi channels you simply need a huge ammount of pins - and an expensive socket and many layered motherboard to pair with it. The DP and MP sockets are so divergent theres no way to combine them.
Be interesting to see if Itanium ends up on s1567 though.
Gainstown is DP, Bloomfield is UP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Tylersburg is needed for scaling up the number of sockets and linking them all to the southbridge. It will also be used with the MP platforms and itanium. Think of it as the hub that keeps keeps all the extra sockets running.
Bloomfield's performance bonus will come from a few things. First off the boost in bandwidth from the 3 channel memory. Second the ability to use 2x16 PCI-e 2.0. Third, it probably stands a better chance at overclocking due to the fact that the PCI lanes are not onboard.
Is bloomfield UP xeon and XE desktop only, or is the crossover to Lynnfield/Clarksfield further down the product mix?
yup,Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
although there might be some not extreme desktop versons for those that want the 2x12 pci, i have no clue though
more varieties of chocolate @ the store makes consuming more fun.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
hmm, no. in the end i think they just got confused with the terms IMC and CSI. so for now we can assume that IMC is a feature of the whole new nehalem family, but what about CSI?
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...WT082807020032Quote:
CSI will be used as the internal fabric for almost all future Intel systems starting with Tukwila, an Itanium processor and Nehalem, an enhanced derivative of the Core microarchitecture, slated for 2008. Not only will CSI be the cache coherent fabric between processors, but versions will be used to connect I/O chips and other devices in Intel based systems.
EDIT: that pcwatch diagram is new for me (my bad): still DMI for desktop? no tri-channel? meh...
what did u mean by that? CSI :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Well, as you raise the speed of a Lynnfield or Havendale, you are also playing with the on die PCI-e controler as well in terms of heat and possably clock speed. It's just one more component that is being flexed that is not ment to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by schnulli
This kinda just ocured to me, but i don't know what lever we really have to push the mainstream stuff anymore anyway. There is no more FSB in Lynnfield or Havendale, so all the cpu frequencies are most likely taken directly from the clock generator. At least with Bloomfield, the QPI has a set frequency and the CPU probably uses a multiplier off that frequency to set it's final speed.
I have no clue how the chips will work as far as clock generation, but I believe the mainstream stuff will have very few levers to overclock if any. Overclocking may just become limited on Intel platforms to the extreme side of the line.
Will Farrell speaks the truth:)Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
duh, now i got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
but the question is do we have to go with that registered/ecc shiet? i really cannot stand the idea of the castrated bloomfield platform for the mainstream, but reg. memory isn't that great too...and does it help overclocking? :shrug:
betta to be alone than in bad company? or is my italian sbaliato?
it's not required. The 975x chipsets and a bunch others all have the option to turn it on or off. ECC isn't really castrated at all either.Quote:
Originally Posted by schnulli
CSI is irrelevant for LGA1160 chips. Whatever they use CSI or a new name for the DMI to the southbridge doesnt matter. The old DMI was basicly a modified PCIe link at 2GB/sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by schnulli
Unlike A64, Nehalem desktops chips dont need a fast HT/CSI link to a PCIe northbridge host. Because the bandwidth demanding PCIe is ondie on the CPU.
The only thing left is SATA, sound, USB, network and such on the Ibexpeak. But I expect it to be a CSI link. Or a DMIv2(PCIe 2.0 (4GB/sec)) link. Since the value will also have to be able to carry the signals from the GPU for further distribution.
The A64 also needed a bit more bandwidth for communication between the IGP on the chipset and the memory controller on the CPU. This will not be necessary on the low end Nehalem CPUs as the GPU will be very close to the memory controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
One more thing that the PCH (which is what Ibexpeak is) will probably have is a more dedicated interface with some on-board (NAND-)flash memory. This is not very bandwidth demanding, but here sure is hoping it will be :rolleyes:
:eek: like amd overclocking?:hehe:Quote:
but I believe the mainstream stuff will have very few levers to overclock if any
i dont believe it.
Stop it, you're just being mean now LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
Can't wait to get my hands on one those chips.