Commando owns E8500 Wolfdale -> 5320Mhz! SS 1/4HP

Commando takes on Wolfdale 45nm - E8500 -> 5104Mhz at 1.60v !

Let's see how the old 965P C2 chipset holds up for E8500 Wolfdale :)

Asus Commando takes on 45nm Wolfdale E8500 cpu. I decided to go back to Asus Commando as the motherboard was already prepared and insulated for Kayl Black FrozenSS 1/4HP phase change cooling.

First I installed my E6700 cpu on Asus Commando, so I could flash the bios using biso Ez Flash from 1501 bios to 1605 bios. Then I installed E8500 but system wouldn't boot - stuck on CPU INIT on LCD display. Then I decided to reinstall E6700 cpu, and flash from 1605 bios to 1604 bios, then reinstalled E8500 and now it booted up!

Not sure if it's bioses issues with E8500 but when I play with high FSB, only the first reboot from setting high FSB in bios will load into windows, subsequent bios exits result in system boot hanging with DET DRAM displayed on LCD display ? Never had such an issue with E6600 or E6850 on Asus Commando with 1501 bios. Definitely, bios and/or memory related I think as I got a higher FSB with 5-5-5-x than 4-4-4-x.

Anyway down to fun stuff :D

System

• Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Q740A493T
• Kayl Black FrozenSS 1/4HP
• Asus Commando 1604 bios
• 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
• 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500
• 2x1GB Team 6400C3 Micron D9GMH
• 160GB Seagate 7200.7 SATA
• Pioneer DVR-08 Burner
• Sony FDD
• 620W Corsair HX620 Modular PSU
• WinXP Pro SP2

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Some CPUZ max capture screens

570FSB not stable, still have to figure it out - memory or bios related issues.

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@4800Mhz at 1.480v idle

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@4940Mhz at 1.528v idle

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@5003Mhz at 1.560v idle

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Kayl Black Frozen SS 1/4HP power! Bios says -25C evap says -42.2C heh

@5104Mhz at 1.600v idle

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Loose memory 5-5-5-18 Super Pi 1M

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Kayl Black Frozen SS 1/4HP power! Bios says -21C evap says -40.2C heh

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Some Super Pi 32M action

@4850Mhz at 1.584v idle

Bios says around -24C while evap says -41.4C idle and -39.8C Super Pi 32M load. Speedfan 4.32 takes too long to load, but did do a Systool dual 32M Pi load test and reported cpu temp as -37C idle and -10C load.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Com...cpuz_valid.png

Not bad for 1:1 on 965P C2 chipset compared to my E8500 @4791Mhz - 9.5x504FSB 4:5 630Mhz 5-5-4-9 run @9m 48.360s

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E8500 @5007Mhz at 1.68v idle

First time ever Super Pi 32M at >5Ghz with a Core 2 cpu! Best 1M & 32M time I've done personally as well :)

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1M

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Com...1m_9s188ms.png

32M

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Everest Bandwidth

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Nice work as always. What was maxFSB of this chip on air and on SS Phase?

On water around 535-555FSB for 32M to cpuz validation on Asus Blitz Formula P35 board. On SS is what you see above but could be bios issues holding me back on Asus Commando 965P C2 chipset.

Nice job eva ;)

I love my Commando one more time:D:D

Very nicely done George! :) Did you mod MCHBAR registers?

Thanks guys..

before, yup did the usual tweaks of mchbar unless you have some new ones to share ? :D

E8500 @5282Mhz at 1.704v idle / 1.696v load

E8500 managed max CPUZ Validation of 5282Mhz at 1.704v idle! Bios set vcore was 1.75v. 1.7625v and above vcore jumps in vcore alot i.e. 1.7625v bios set = 1.808v vcore and scales up from there so dangerous territory for E8500 i suppose ?? :)

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Max 1M @5104Mhz at 1.704v idle / 1.696v load

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Max 32M @5033Mhz at 1.704v idle / 1.696v load

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Lookin' good Eva... I have no idea how the results looks compared with P35 I must admit, but the 32M seems quite fast I belive.

Very nice Eva, Commando is stil good fun. Im using bios 1605 with E8400, maybe that one wil help you for FSB. We want sub 9 in 1M :D

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Originally Posted by M.Beier

Lookin' good Eva... I have no idea how the results looks compared with P35 I must admit, but the 32M seems quite fast I belive.

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Thanks - yeah probably a good 8-16 seconds slower than P35 DDR2 ?

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Originally Posted by loc.o

Very nice Eva, Commando is stil good fun. Im using bios 1605 with E8400, maybe that one wil help you for FSB. We want sub 9 in 1M :D

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That has to be the cpu talking 590FSB! nice!

1605 bios won't boot my E8500 for some reason stuck on CPU INIT, 1604 works though :)

Thanks for that bios info, wil try E8500 soon and wil let you know if i get same thing with 1605.

Good job George and not bad at all...

Keep pushing it.

nice again George

Commando ftw :D

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Originally Posted by loc.o

Thanks for that bios info, wil try E8500 soon and wil let you know if i get same thing with 1605.

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let us know how that goes :)

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Originally Posted by Oliver

Good job George and not bad at all...

Keep pushing it.

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thanks :D

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Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

nice again George

Commando ftw :D

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Yup saw your results on Blitz Formula + DI ...130Mhz PCI-E! nice

nice clocks eva, keep it up. can u check your pm pls?

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Originally Posted by dnldnt

nice clocks eva, keep it up. can u check your pm pls?

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not hard to find - use search for keywords = scythe infinity mount mod

4th or 5th result listed is it ;)

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Originally Posted by eva2000

let us know how that goes :)

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No problems here with 1605 :confused:

This time you have found a very good cpu!:eek:
I remember your bad QX9650.
Simply amazing!
Congratz:clap:

Insane results and clocks!
These Wolfdales have just insane overclocking abilities :shocked:

I just wish than i would have a SS :/

how does this FSB compare to newer chipsets
there seems to be something odd going on with this C2 revision chipset as per loco's thread

try that 1605 bios again
maybe second time lucky since it works lol

great results and fairly decent speeds i must say

what's this MCHBAR stuff you guys are talking about again heh

Pmem id guess.

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Originally Posted by loc.o

No problems here with 1605 :confused:

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Yeah might try 1605 bios and and see if it helps.. according to memset my commando is 965P C2 chipset too

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Originally Posted by nachthymnen

This time you have found a very good cpu!:eek:
I remember your bad QX9650.
Simply amazing!
Congratz:clap:

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thanks.. yeah QX965O not that great compared to these E8500!

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Originally Posted by s0lid

Insane results and clocks!
These Wolfdales have just insane overclocking abilities :shocked:

I just wish than i would have a SS :/

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Thanks to Kayl's Black FrozenSS 1/4HP to think this unit was originally created for FX-60 s939 days to be tuned for high heat loads but not too low temps to combat FX-60 s939 cold bug hehe

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Originally Posted by dinos22

how does this FSB compare to newer chipsets
there seems to be something odd going on with this C2 revision chipset as per loco's thread

try that 1605 bios again
maybe second time lucky since it works lol

great results and fairly decent speeds i must say

what's this MCHBAR stuff you guys are talking about again heh

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So far FSB for me hasn't changed much actually a bit lower on Commando than Blitz Formula for max bootable cpuz validation 540FSB vs 555FSB on Blitz Formula. Mchbar tweaks been documented on i4memory.com for past 6 months dinos http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=4268 thanks to JP's research ;)

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Originally Posted by eva2000

before, yup did the usual tweaks of mchbar unless you have some new ones to share ? :D

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Not really; I'm focused on P35's. :D http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=48

BTW, I'm sure you know that, but offset FED1403Fh set to 23 is the most important; and still is on newer chipsets.

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Originally Posted by before

Not really; I'm focused on P35's. :D http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=48

BTW, I'm sure you know that, but offset FED1403Fh set to 23 is the most important; and still is on newer chipsets.

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x38/x48 too?

what benefits do you get from it performance wise

nice results eva2000! such a high FSB on this board ;)

old Commando still pwn :up:

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x38/x48 too?

what benefits do you get from it performance wise

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This offset is often automatically set to 23 on the latest chipsets. BTW sometimes it doesn't... :shrug: It looks like FSB/dividers related. IIRC, I've tried it with the X38-DS5 and memory read bandwidth was improved by 100MB/s and stability wasn't affected.

:)

New thread for a new bios :) Old 1604 bios results at http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=174868

Flashed to 1605 bios from 1604 this time it worked. Asus Commando vcore options only allow next vcore option up from 1.75v = 1.704v idle is 1.7625v = 1.808v idle. So this is it 1.808v vcore on E8500 and this E8500 Q740A493T continues to scale with vcore on Kayl Black FrozenSS 1/4HP!

Bios temps = -9C
Evap idle = -40C
Evap super pi 32M load = -34C
Evap wprime 1024M load = -30C

Room temp = ~29C

System Power Meter load = 265 watts

System

• Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Q740A493T
• Kayl Black FrozenSS 1/4HP
• Asus Commando 1605 bios
• 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
• 2x1GB Team 6400C3 Micron D9GMH
• 160GB Seagate 7200.7 SATA
• Pioneer DVR-08 Burner
• Sony FDD
• 620W Corsair HX620 Modular PSU
• WinXP Pro SP2

CPUZ Validation @5320Mhz

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Super Pi 1M @5193Mhz

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Wprime 32M @5168Mhz

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Pifast @5130Mhz

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Wprime 1024M @5092Mhz

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Super Pi 32M @5099Mhz

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Super Pi 32M & Everest Bandwidth @5119Mhz

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Woot! You're on fire! Great results! :D

Ouch , impressive E8500 !! what is the fsb max please ?

Congratz for your oc old school "commando" :D

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Woot! You're on fire! Great results! :D

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thanks.. definitely on fire!

helps to have cooler room ambients at 29C room temps evap was -40C idle, but at 33C room temps evap was hover just over -34C idle !

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Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

Ouch , impressive E8500 !! what is the fsb max please ?

Congratz for your oc old school "commando" :D

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thanks :D

E8500 530-535FSB 32M on water with 555FSB max cpuz validation on water. On phase with 1604/1605 bios, Commando is weird past 540FSB. It only is stable on first bios save/exit at high FSB could cpuz validate at 570FSB but on subsequent bios exit/saves - it hangs on DET DDRAM :confused:

Wow, revival of the 965!

The commando seems to play nice with those wolfies, even better than P35.

Yeah Commando seems to like it to a certain extent.. wish my FSB was higher though heh

Go 965 :D

So this CPU clocks higher with Commando than with your Blitz Formula?

Nice results Eva200, but please do not create 2 threads with same setup, dont make anysense you improve a few Mhz and create a new thread :confused:

I merged the threads for you ;)

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Go 965 :D

So this CPU clocks higher with Commando than with your Blitz Formula?

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nah Blitz Formula clocks FSB higher than Commando. I only used Commando as I'm too lazy to prepare and insulate a fresh board. Commando was already prepared and insulated from prior phase change sessions way back heh

Considering with only 9.5x multi, cpu will be clocked to high FSB, either P35/X38 or Commando would need 1:1 divider and Commando is no slouch on 1:1 when properly tuned.. only 8-16 seconds slower for super pi 32M on P35/X38 DDR2 boards i guestimate :)

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Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha

Nice results Eva200, but please do not create 2 threads with same setup, dont make anysense you improve a few Mhz and create a new thread :confused:

I merged the threads for you ;)

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no worries :)

Nice E8500 George!

From the retail results here at XS, I think I have to get one too, sooner or later :)

The speed on just single stage is impressive.

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Originally Posted by eva2000

thanks.. definitely on fire!

helps to have cooler room ambients at 29C room temps evap was -40C idle, but at 33C room temps evap was hover just over -34C idle !



thanks :D

E8500 530-535FSB 32M on water with 555FSB max cpuz validation on water. On phase with 1604/1605 bios, Commando is weird past 540FSB. It only is stable on first bios save/exit at high FSB could cpuz validate at 570FSB but on subsequent bios exit/saves - it hangs on DET DDRAM :confused:

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Ok i see , this 965p is good yet for the 45nm , maybe not the best but good overclocking :)

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Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Nice E8500 George!

From the retail results here at XS, I think I have to get one too, sooner or later :)

The speed on just single stage is impressive.

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Yup I'm amazed at what this E8500 is doing on 1/4HP SS!

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Ok i see , this 965p is good yet for the 45nm , maybe not the best but good overclocking :)

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Yeah oc'ing is nice :D

Super Pi @5155Mhz

Tonight room temps were a bit lower at 25C so decided to push this E8500 Q740A493T a bit more to see how it goes at 1.775v bios set vcore which equals 1.824v windows idle and 1.816v windows load :)

Bios temps = -10C
Evap idle = -41C
Evap super pi 32M load = -35C
Speedfan 4.32 CPU Idle = -32C

Room temp = ~25C

System Power Meter load = 290 watts

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Super Pi 32M

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Super Pi 1M, 2M, 4M, 8M & 16M

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Very nice set of screenshots! You need a cascade George...:yepp:

thanks .... yeah colder temps would help hehe

getting awfully close to sub 9min George...congrats but you better not beat me to it :D

oh thats right...my first round of E8400s were terrible, you will have no problem beating me to it :up:

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Originally Posted by 3oh6

getting awfully close to sub 9min George...congrats but you better not beat me to it :D

oh thats right...my first round of E8400s were terrible, you will have no problem beating me to it :up:

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Definitely will be sub 9min once i move to Asus Blitz Extreme + Cellshock PC3-14400 DDR3 :D

9.5 x 542FSB 3:5 903mhz 6-x-x-x DDR3 :)

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Originally Posted by eva2000

Definitely will be sub 9min once i move to Asus Blitz Extreme + Cellshock PC3-14400 DDR3 :D

9.5 x 542FSB 3:5 903mhz 6-x-x-x DDR3 :)

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hehe, that sounds like the correct recipe. i wish i had 900MHz CL6 memory though, i have to puddle through wtih CL7 past 860MHz'ish.

i'm fighting to get sub 9m 30sec with this E8400 on the phase right now with that same recipe just a pinch lower at 530x9 on the P5K3-Dlx, CL7 of course. doesn't look like 9m 30 is going to happen for me tonight though.

P5K3 Deluxe need 0.05v more vcore than Asus Blitz Formula or Commando for oc'ing and prime95 on my E8500 cpus... so maybe P5K3 Deluxe not the best to get max clocks out of for cpu end ?

hicookie did a quick time with a Gigabyte X48T-DQ6

http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=685943

maybe something to work towards

Utlimately will depend on the max FSB my cpu can handle on 1/4HP SS heh

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Originally Posted by eva2000

P5K3 Deluxe need 0.05v more vcore than Asus Blitz Formula or Commando for oc'ing and prime95 on my E8500 cpus... so maybe P5K3 Deluxe not the best to get max clocks out of for cpu end ?

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who knows...it is a monster for SPi at high FSB and i have never had a problem with it at 500FSB+. the maximus extreme on the other hand...is quite the handful north of 500, and doesn't really out perform the P5K3 in SPi from what i have tested. plus the maximus extreme is busy working. plenty of memory to get through this weekend and then it has a stack of GPUs waiting to get their turn ;)

@eva

For Commando & E8400 1604 or 1605 BIOS which one is better?

I have a problem with Det Dram signal on LCD Poster after 500 fsb:S

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nice resaults guys i'm happy commando can handle 45nm. How you manage to flash a backward bios? because i tryed too from award flash and afudos, and they didn't let me do it. They post a message when they read the bios version that is older than the one i use and the operasion stops. :confused:

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Originally Posted by RockfordFosgate

@eva

For Commando & E8400 1604 or 1605 BIOS which one is better?

I have a problem with Det Dram signal on LCD Poster after 500 fsb:S

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1605 bios... maybe more NB and vdimm and SB volts needed ?

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nice resaults guys i'm happy commando can handle 45nm. How you manage to flash a backward bios? because i tryed too from award flash and afudos, and they didn't let me do it. They post a message when they read the bios version that is older than the one i use and the operasion stops. :confused:

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I used in bios ezflash with no problems from 1605 to 1604 then back to 1605 heh

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who knows...it is a monster for SPi at high FSB and i have never had a problem with it at 500FSB+. the maximus extreme on the other hand...is quite the handful north of 500, and doesn't really out perform the P5K3 in SPi from what i have tested. plus the maximus extreme is busy working. plenty of memory to get through this weekend and then it has a stack of GPUs waiting to get their turn ;)

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Yeah time to give my GPUS some wolfdale loving 640MB 8800GTS, 512MB 8800GT OC editions, HD3850 CF, 8800GTX etc etc :D

640MB Gainward 8800GTS Stock hsf @648/1637/2000 -2052

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512MB Inno3D 8800GT OC Ediition stock hsf @742-756 / 1782-1836 / 2000-2052

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Yay 3dmark2001 run @5003Mhz :D

512MB Inno3D 8800GT OC Edition stock hsf @742/1836/2000

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AM3 @5092Mhz

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