[Chiphell]nVidia 9800GX2 PCB Photo

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Chiphell

I spy an SLI connector on it...

I love ChipHell, how do they do it?

Ha, I knew the 9800GX2 will have a new revision of the G92.

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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

I love ChipHell, how do they do it?

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They must have received a board partner non-working sample :yepp:

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

Ha, I knew the 9800GX2 will have a new revision of the G92.

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Different bin... not a silicon respin or anything special.
Most likely a special bin that runs a certain TDP at specific clockspeeds.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Different bin... not a silicon respin or anything special.
Most likely a special bin that runs a certain TDP at specific clockspeeds.

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But I don't think its going to be clocked lower the the GT or GTS G92s, Unlike what other Xtreme members thought

They still didn't learn how to apply that buddy...

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

But I don't think its going to be clocked lower the the GT or GTS G92s, Unlike what other Xtreme members thought

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They almost have to... but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
A 280w TDP isn't something easy to cool...

Nice. We need something better than the 3870 X2.

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

They must have received a board partner non-working sample :yepp:

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Then what's with the wire-mod from the PCB to one of the traces? I think that card works/ed at one time. That cooling design is very nifty, wonder how hot those cores are going to get though.

Awful TIM application... good to see actual TIM on the RAM instead of pads though.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

They almost have to... but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
A 280w TDP isn't something easy to cool...

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well thats a combined TDP.

8800Ultra is TDP 190W
ATi 3870 is 135W
So I'm guessing that the 3870x2 will run hotter then this.

the 3870x2 cores are running at 775Mhz? So :shrug:

I still think the 9800GX2 will be clocked higher then the GT or GTS.

I see the built in SLI bridge... but good luck doing any aftermarket cooling

yea, this a worse idea then the 7950gx2. Pretty much have to fab new blocks, and ln2 seems almost impossible for benching.

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

yea, this a worse idea then the 7950gx2. Pretty much have to fab new blocks, and ln2 seems almost impossible for benching.

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well, I think if K|ngp|n modded his LN2 pots, It would be easy.

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

yea, this a worse idea then the 7950gx2. Pretty much have to fab new blocks, and ln2 seems almost impossible for benching.

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Well, the length of the internal SLI connector would allow some spacers possibly, like those ones for the 7950GX2...

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

well thats a combined TDP.

8800Ultra is TDP 190W
ATi 3870 is 135W
So I'm guessing that the 3870x2 will run hotter then this.

the 3870x2 cores are running at 775Mhz? So :shrug:

I still think the 9800GX2 will be clocked higher then the GT or GTS.

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Yes, combined TDP since it is a single HS.

TDP was the wrong word to use... Peak consumption was what I should have said.
Ultra ~170w, GTX ~160w, HD3870 ~110w, HD3870x2(825mhz) ~220w, G92GTS ~140w.

The 8800 ultra has a power consumption of around 190 watts. The 3870x2 is closer to 290.

No more pics.. bring on the actual product..!

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

The 8800 ultra has a power consumption of around 190 watts. The 3870x2 is closer to 290.

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Link?
Goes against every single review I have read.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209&p=12

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209&p=12

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Total system power consumption... My god, reading comprehension.
Did you even look/read the review or try to understand the chart?

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209&p=12

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So you say Ultra draws 190W. And on this link GTX draws 234. I would assume Ultra draws more than GTX?! :shakes:

EDIT: or should I say system, since it's total system power consumption.

I trust W1zzard the most on power consumption.

http://i3.techpowerup.com/reviews/HI...er_average.gif

So the HD3870X2 takes 51watt more then the 8800GTX. That's not bad for 2 GPU's.

Why is the title named nVidia 9800GX2? It's not dualGPU, so i guess this ain't an GX2 card. :p:

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Originally Posted by ownage

I trust W1zzard the most on power consumption.

http://i3.techpowerup.com/reviews/HI...er_average.gif

So the HD3870X2 takes 51watt more then the 8800GTX. That's not bad for 2 GPU's.

Why is the title named nVidia 9800GX2? It's not dualGPU, so i guess this ain't an GX2 card. :p:

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I hope you are joking on that last part...
As for that chart, everything seems normal except for the last 4 cards.

HD2900XT using less than the GTX?
1024mb using less than the 512mb?
HD3870 using 30w more than the HD2900XT?

That is very hard to believe. Link to the review?
Does he state how he finds the power consumption? My guess is a Kill-a-watt.
Read why most wattage meters mean nothing, with the exception of the Chroma.

You guys think the swiftech mcw60 waterblock is gonna fit this? maybe with some small mounting mods or do you think the core part is too big to be cooled by it?

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

I hope you are joking on that last part...
As for that chart, everything seems normal except for the last 4 cards.

HD2900XT using less than the GTX?
1024mb using less than the 512mb?
HD3870 using 30w more than the HD2900XT?

That is very hard to believe. Link to the review?
Does he state how he finds the power consumption? My guess is a Kill-a-watt.

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It's the average consumption, so nothing strange.
Look here for the max Peak power consumption, which is shows a better comparison.
http://i3.techpowerup.com/reviews/HI...power_peak.gif

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Originally Posted by ownage

It's the average consumption, so nothing strange.
Look here for the max Peak power consumption, which is shows a better comparison.
http://i3.techpowerup.com/reviews/HI...power_peak.gif

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Average PC means nothing... which is why I was so confused.
Awesome that he doesn't tell us how he gets those numbers.

If you read the review, he awesomely explains it. Average of every 2 seconds during 3D marks 03. Garbage benchmark, but that's what he used.

I feel embarassed asking, but looking at the second PCB, it appears from the placement of the power connector that this PCB is actually in reverse of the other.
So does the seond PCB actually mirror the first back to back? If so then extreme cooling ftw!

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

If you read the review, he awesomely explains it. Average of every 2 seconds during 3D marks 03. Garbage benchmark, but that's what he used.

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No, he explains the software he used to load the cards...
He does NOT explain what he used to measure the power consumption. My guess is that he is using a cheap Kill-a-watt which isn't anywhere close to accurate and if you would have read that link, you would not have only figured that out but that all other devices up until the Chroma also have inaccuracies.

So... this is 2 G92 cores, attached to one :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty, thin heatsink, that blows hot air at the back of the case? This is a good idea... how?

I count two heatsinks.....

There is only one heatsink, the cores are faceing each other so the cooler will be sandwiched between the PCBs

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

well thats a combined TDP.
8800Ultra is TDP 190W
ATi 3870 is 135W
So I'm guessing that the 3870x2 will run hotter then this.

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3870 is 90W and 8800gtx is 130W, 50% more
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._13.html#sect0

8800gt and 3870 are almost identical in power consumption, but if you look at the different approaches to a dual gpu card the ati version is definately superior. it only has a longer pcb and bigger heatsink while the 9800gx is made up of 2 custom pcbs that need to be assembled with the heatsinks in between.

both cooling and mfg cost wise the ati version of a dual card seems much better.

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

well, I think if K|ngp|n modded his LN2 pots, It would be easy.

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sure you can build a pot that cools both gpus, but it would be ONE pot and it would have to make contact with a gpu on each side which would be a pita... how do you want to fasten the pot to the cards on each side? its incredibly messy...

i couldnt think of a worse approach than what nvidia did to build a dual gpu card actually... have both gpus face INSIDE in between the cards is just plain stupid. where do you get the frash air from and where do you exhaust it to?
you drill a hole in the pcb and bend the heatsink fins to the air moves in a 90 degree angle and then leaves on top. :doh:

I was going to step up to this card when it comes from my 8800gt, but now i think I may just get the 8800gts. This sort of looks like a disaster closely related to the 7959x2...

So this card is to G92 Gts with DX10.1 support? wouldnt it be better just to get two G92 8800GTS wouldnt they oce better.

Ahhh, it all makes sense to me now thanks.

1 pot for two cards could actually be a good thing for SLI ;)

looks we will have to wait till march to get these anyway
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...om.microsoft:*

think of the inside space consumption for your chasis. with this kind of 9800gx2 the quad sli idea might be feasible without having to sacrifice large amounts of chasis space.

Ofcourse though, this concern is more than likely to be irrelevant to the average gamer and/or enthusiast.

PLease post some more pics of the 9800gx2 if you can get them,

Why NVIDIA VGAs always looks crappy as hell? Compared to that PCB, 3870X2's one is pure pr0n.

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

They must have received a board partner non-working sample :yepp:

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It's enough to make me http://img57.exs.cx/img57/6259/drool1.gif

Holy crap ma, theres a hole in my new video card!

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So this card is to G92 Gts with DX10.1 support? wouldnt it be better just to get two G92 8800GTS wouldnt they oce better.

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The only 'advantage' of this card for consumers is that it can run on any chipset. Doesn't require a SLI specific mobo.

For NVidia the advantage is capturing the performance crown for a single card solution.

Coolest VGA Sandwich ever. :D
Not as elegant than the 3870X2 but way better than the 7950GX2.
Having an SLI bridge it must support QuadSLI.

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Originally Posted by seamumc

The only 'advantage' of this card for consumers is that it can run on any chipset. Doesn't require a SLI specific mobo.

For NVidia the advantage is capturing the performance crown for a single card solution.

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i dont call this single card, just 2 cards slammed together

I personally think the cooling solution is rather elegant.. dual GPUs in a compact chassis. I'd like to see what waterblock venders will do with this setup, two-faced waterblocks would be very cool but sadly limited to that single card. Sure it isn't as neat as the 3870X2 but don't knock the card until it's out in the wild.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

I hope you are joking on that last part...
As for that chart, everything seems normal except for the last 4 cards.

HD2900XT using less than the GTX?
1024mb using less than the 512mb?
HD3870 using 30w more than the HD2900XT?

That is very hard to believe. Link to the review?
Does he state how he finds the power consumption? My guess is a Kill-a-watt.
Read why most wattage meters mean nothing, with the exception of the Chroma.

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well of course the 1024mb card is going to use less power than the 512mb one has gddr3 the other has gddr4.

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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

I personally think the cooling solution is rather elegant.. dual GPUs in a compact chassis. I'd like to see what waterblock venders will do with this setup, two-faced waterblocks would be very cool but sadly limited to that single card. Sure it isn't as neat as the 3870X2 but don't knock the card until it's out in the wild.

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Quite easy for water block makers really, just make a block the same thickness as the current cooler, double sided with entry/exit flow holes obviousley in the top, take the current GTS/GTX block for instance and slap another one on it opposite facing. after all thats all nVidia themselves have done, took 2 cards and slapped another one against it oppsite facing.

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

i dont call this single card, just 2 cards slammed together

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Then you gotta look at the 3870 x2 the same way, it's just 2 cards slammed onto one pcb, complete with 2 bios's.

Personally, I'm avoiding both camps dual gpu solutions like they were Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Then you gotta look at the 3870 x2 the same way, it's just 2 cards slammed onto one pcb, complete with 2 bios's.

Personally, I'm avoiding both camps dual gpu solutions like they were Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom.

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1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least

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ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least

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how is this innovation? honestly crossfire and sli in themselves are bad enough for just being lazy this crap with 4 gpu's is just plain stupid.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

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i know it has been done before, but never with a "high-end" card

dual 2600XT (sapphire) dual 7800GT (asus, but no driver support)
but never with a high end card.
this is a first, ok, the pcb has 12 layers, and you need some good driver to let it work, but it is starting to go to dualcores on the ATI board, on the nvidia card, they just slam 2 PCB's together and put a bridge between them.....

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

i know it has been done before, but never with a "high-end" card

dual 2600XT (sapphire) dual 7800GT (asus, but no driver support)
but never with a high end card.
this is a first, ok, the pcb has 12 layers, and you need some good driver to let it work, but it is starting to go to dualcores on the ATI board, on the nvidia card, they just slam 2 PCB's together and put a bridge between them.....

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Gigabyte 3D1 was high end at the time and was an nvidia solution in one pcb (dual 6800gt gpu's)

http://www.hardcoreware.net/image.ph...&ts=1107907086
http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data...inal-pic-2.jpg

i thought the geforce 9 high end should be the g100 chip, why not just call it 8800gx2 since all the g-92's are called ge-force 8XXX

Meh.

IMO, w/ the exceptions of benching and 30" inch displays, a single GT/GTS/3870 can be more than enough for today's games and will keep pc gaming headaches to a minimum. I'll be waiting for a card 2x faster than a GTS 512 w/ same power envelope and at least 2 games that don't blow their load in less than a weekend...Bioshock/Crysis. :( COD4/TF2 and other MP games get 10x the action a decent SP shooter gets. This whole MGPU thing seems like a stopgap until we have the true "9800GTX/4870". Now we have new architecture-->shrunken, same performance-->dually, better performance-->2 yrs later, 2x performance w/ reasonable power/noise.

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Originally Posted by Jodiuh

Meh.

IMO, w/ the exceptions of benching and 30" inch displays, a single GT/GTS/3870 can be more than enough for today's games and will keep pc gaming headaches to a minimum. I'll be waiting for a card 2x faster than a GTS 512 w/ same power envelope and at least 2 games that don't blow their load in less than a weekend...Bioshock/Crysis. :( COD4/TF2 and other MP games get 10x the action a decent SP shooter gets. This whole MGPU thing seems like a stopgap until we have the true "9800GTX/4870". Now we have new architecture-->shrunken, same performance-->dually, better performance-->2 yrs later, 2x performance w/ reasonable power/noise.

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Well I think this should be called 8900GX2, and the "9800GTX (G9x)" should be called 8950GTX. and then the G100 should be the 9800GTX.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

I hope you are joking on that last part...
As for that chart, everything seems normal except for the last 4 cards.

HD2900XT using less than the GTX?
1024mb using less than the 512mb?
HD3870 using 30w more than the HD2900XT?

That is very hard to believe. Link to the review?
Does he state how he finds the power consumption? My guess is a Kill-a-watt.
Read why most wattage meters mean nothing, with the exception of the Chroma.

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the 1024mb part uses DDR4.

don't rant until you know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by xlink

the 1024mb part uses DDR4.

don't rant until you know what you are talking about.

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:clap:

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

Well I think this should be called 8900GX2, and the "9800GTX (G9x)" should be called 8950GTX. and then the G100 should be the 9800GTX.

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That makes FAR too much sense. ;) Why keep w/ previous naming conventions when you can distance yourself w/ one of the best GPU's released in the 8800GTX...wait...:confused: :p: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

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Rage Fury Maxx aswell. :p:

I have one in front of me, Dual Rage 128pro chips.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

ATi's solution isn't innovative... It's been done before.

Think 3dfx first. There's also been dual-gpu nvidia solutions that were single pcb. The dual 7800gt from asus comes to mind, for example.

It's been done before. ;)

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Yes,it's been done but 3870X2 has native crossfire support on the card itself.

The card itself has a chip (PLX) which provides the communication
between the two Gpus.
So you don't need a Crossfire supporting mobo to use it.
(HD 2600XT used the same way )

But Asus Dual 7800Gt or earlier the Gigabyte Dual 6600GT were communicating over the nortbridge,you needed to use SLI supporting chipsets.And as far as I know those solutions weren't supported officialy by Nvidia.This means no real driver support.
Since 3dfx Nvidia only released ''sandwich'' solutions like 7950GX2 and 9800GX2...

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Originally Posted by Seanie's Show

Quite easy for water block makers really, just make a block the same thickness as the current cooler, double sided with entry/exit flow holes obviousley in the top, take the current GTS/GTX block for instance and slap another one on it opposite facing. after all thats all nVidia themselves have done, took 2 cards and slapped another one against it oppsite facing.

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its not easy at all, how do you mount the block?
its possible, but its not easy to do...

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Then you gotta look at the 3870 x2 the same way, it's just 2 cards slammed onto one pcb, complete with 2 bios's.

Personally, I'm avoiding both camps dual gpu solutions like they were Rosie O'Donnell's bedroom.

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hows it the same thing?
1pcb vs 2 pcbs glued together is a big difference.
if done properly the nvidia approach of using 2 pcbs could actually be cheaper, easier to cool and could clock higher if they would use a normal single card pcb as the firt half of the dualcard and would have only one gpu between the two pcbs and not both.

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Originally Posted by saaya

its not easy at all, how do you mount the block?
its possible, but its not easy to do....

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LOL, obviousley the same way they mount the current stock cooler in-between two PCB's, you could have much shorter screws which screw into pre drilled holes in each side of the block.

the photos are down, can someone put them back pleasE?

http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-1_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-2_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-3_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-4_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-5_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-6_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-7_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-8_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-9_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-10_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-11_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-12_1.jpg
http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/NV9800GX2-13_1.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-1.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-2.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-3.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-4.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-5.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-6.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-7.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-8.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhunter/9800GX2/1-9.jpg

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhun...00GX2/1-10.jpg

absolutely no different than quantum3d voodoo2 sli

i loved 3dfx i love sli but for goodness sake drop the dual pcb already!

If you look carefully you can see a second PCB on some 3870x2 cards as well, they need it for the 4 x DVI.

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Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

If you look carefully you can see a second PCB on some 3870x2 cards as well, they need it for the 4 x DVI.

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THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!! :shakes:

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THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!! :shakes:

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Your alowed your opinion. In my opinion the 9800GX2 is a single card solution.

think about how much of the heat from the pwm power regulation and memory gets dissipated into the pcb, alot. dual pcbs will have more surface area and will be able to clock high due to the better heat dissipation. dual pcbs also let the card be shorter so it will fit in more cases and fit with more room to spare (could increase case air flow) in other cases.

@ single card sli solution

voodoo2 never was
7950GX2 never was
9800GX2 never will, unless single pcb

all other single pcb dual gpu = single card sli solution

2 pcb * 2 gpu = 2 card solution regardless of the single pcie connector

how can it be called single card solution ?

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Originally Posted by twin_savage

think about how much of the heat from the pwm power regulation and memory gets dissipated into the pcb, alot. dual pcbs will have more surface area and will be able to clock high due to the better heat dissipation. dual pcbs also let the card be shorter so it will fit in more cases and fit with more room to spare (could increase case air flow) in other cases.

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If it doesn't fit the case, blame the case for not being made for ATX standards, but please, don't blame the card for being made for those standards. And remember, nothing is longer than Ultra. ;)

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

I hope you are joking on that last part...
As for that chart, everything seems normal except for the last 4 cards.

HD2900XT using less than the GTX?
1024mb using less than the 512mb?
HD3870 using 30w more than the HD2900XT?

That is very hard to believe. Link to the review?
Does he state how he finds the power consumption? My guess is a Kill-a-watt.
Read why most wattage meters mean nothing, with the exception of the Chroma.

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Remember in most cases lately..... 512mb is GDDR3, and 1024mb is GDDR4 so power consumption would be less :)

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

@ single card sli solution

voodoo2 never was
7950GX2 never was
9800GX2 never will, unless single pcb

all other single pcb dual gpu = single card sli solution

2 pcb * 2 gpu = 2 card solution regardless of the single pcie connector

how can it be called single card solution ?

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Just because a card has 2 PCB's that doesn't stop it from being a single card. 2 years ago when i bought my 7950GX2 there was only 1 card in the package.

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

1PCB is single card for me, 2PCB's is just a lame effort to provide some extra power, its just a silly attempt to copy ATI

the ATI solution is a bit innovative at least

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Well all the 3870x2's i have seen have a small second pcb.

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Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

Well I think this should be called 8900GX2, and the "9800GTX (G9x)" should be called 8950GTX. and then the G100 should be the 9800GTX.

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Yeah, that would be the logical way, but since this is nvidia, who brought us
five different versions of 8800GTS (G80-320/640, G92-256/512/1024) ;)

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Originally Posted by twin_savage

think about how much of the heat from the pwm power regulation and memory gets dissipated into the pcb, alot. dual pcbs will have more surface area and will be able to clock high due to the better heat dissipation.

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Dude... I don't know what you're smoking, but may I get some? :3
PCBs are not good heatspreaders/absorbers/dissipators.
Also, mem chips are BGA, so their contact with the pcb is limited to their
legs, which is also not an efficient way of heat transfer.
However, jamming a lot of heating components together into a small
space ... One thing is for sure, it will not lead to higher clocks, rather
to noise, overheating and hw failures.

pics are dead :(

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Originally Posted by ..::ABSOLUT::..

Yes,it's been done but 3870X2 has native crossfire support on the card itself.

The card itself has a chip (PLX) which provides the communication
between the two Gpus.
So you don't need a Crossfire supporting mobo to use it.
(HD 2600XT used the same way )

But Asus Dual 7800Gt or earlier the Gigabyte Dual 6600GT were communicating over the nortbridge,you needed to use SLI supporting chipsets.And as far as I know those solutions weren't supported officialy by Nvidia.This means no real driver support.
Since 3dfx Nvidia only released ''sandwich'' solutions like 7950GX2 and 9800GX2...

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First of all you dont need a SLI mobo for GX2 support either. Second 3870x2 uses normal crossfire. There is nothing special. They do it precisely the same way as 2 3870 cards would. The PLX chip is nothing but a 3 port PCIe switch. I assume the reason is AMD GPUs cant share the bus like nVidia. The dual 2600 cards and dual 1950 cards had the same PLX chip.

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Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

Well all the 3870x2's i have seen have a small second pcb.

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...which is due to 4x DVI. It has nothing to do with the card itself, it just provides 2 more DVI slots. I'd say the card works even if the 2nd PCB was removed. Show me 9800GX2 working with one PCB. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by [XC] MarioMaster

pics are dead :(

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I don't see why single card isn't measured on how many PCIe slots it needs to be plugged into?

Who cares how many cores or heatsinks or PCBs it has. If it can plug into any ol' PCIe 16x slot and work at full performance, it should be single card.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

I don't see why single card isn't measured on how many PCIe slots it needs to be plugged into?

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yea, but that's dual slot, mostly for cooling, not for how many die are on the PCB.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

Who cares how many cores or heatsinks or PCBs it has. If it can plug into any ol' PCIe 16x slot and work at full performance, it should be single card.

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you might want to refer to it as PCI-e 2.0, as most new motherboards are using that standard. PCI-e 16x is dying, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

I don't see why single card isn't measured on how many PCIe slots it needs to be plugged into?

Who cares how many cores or heatsinks or PCBs it has. If it can plug into any ol' PCIe 16x slot and work at full performance, it should be single card.

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EXACTLY! Thank you for expressing this in words that I couldn't form myself. :clap:

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Originally Posted by Swatrecon_

you might want to refer to it as PCI-e 2.0, as most new motherboards are using that standard. PCI-e 16x is dying, IMO.

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But its still PCIe x16...

PCIe 1.x x16 or PCIe 2.x x16. They are both 16 lanes.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

But its still PCIe x16...

PCIe 1.x x16 or PCIe 2.x x16. They are both 16 lanes.

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Bandwidth is doubled.

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Bandwidth is doubled.

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I think we all know that. But thats not the context. PCIe x16 aint dying. Because we wont get x32 or whatever anytime soon. Or go down to x8.

:rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
Wonder if this MONSTER will spank two ULTRAS in SLI...

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

:rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
Wonder if this MONSTER will spank two ULTRAS in SLI...

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maybe if you could get two ES you could tell us:p: but I doubt your pots will work on this one:shrug:

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Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE

Well all the 3870x2's i have seen have a small second pcb.

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Weak. If it had wires to attach the extra 2 DVI ports you would say it look cheap and prone to damage.

The 9800GX2 has 2 full length PCB.

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Originally Posted by Power5

Weak. If it had wires to attach the extra 2 DVI ports you would say it look cheap and prone to damage.

The 9800GX2 has 2 full length PCB.

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Well the 3870x2 and the 9800GX2 are all singlecard solutions, ATI uses crossfire on their single card just like Nvidia uses SLI on their card. 2 PCBs does not equal 2 cards.

Does anyone know if you will be able to use dual display with this card or will it be just like SLI where you can only run a single display?

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

Does anyone know if you will be able to use dual display with this card or will it be just like SLI where you can only run a single display?

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I think it will be just like SLI. I hope i am wrong.

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[FUD]

GeForce 9800 GX2 might get 2GB of memory


Could be manufacturer dependant

Although we've already seen a lot of different pictures of the GeForce 9800GX2, Fudzilla is the first site to have a screen shot from a manual of one of the partner cards as you can see below. This in itself might not be the most exciting thing in the world, as it just confirms the previous pictures, but what made us take notice, was that each of the PCB's seem to feature 1GB of memory on this specific card.

Now we can't be 100 percent sure that this is the case, as it could simply correlate to the total ammount of memory on the card, but comparing other manuals from the same manufacturer seems to imply that this card might very well come with 2GB of graphics memory.

As you'll notice from our post yesterday, this board doesn't have the optical S/PDIF in seen on some of the card pictures that have been posted elsewhere. It's also strange that each card seem to feature a fan connector, as it looks as if the card only has a single cooling fan.

Apart from that there isn't much else that we didn't know, but at least it shows that these cards can't be too far away. Now we just need some real performance figures and everyone will be happy.


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2...amucdw8.th.jpg



http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...5563&Itemid=34

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