Hey. I was just wondering. EK-Supreme versus the D-Tek Fuzion block?
I am going to order this weekend, so a quick reply would be nice. :)
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Hey. I was just wondering. EK-Supreme versus the D-Tek Fuzion block?
I am going to order this weekend, so a quick reply would be nice. :)
What kind of pump do you have, and is the cpu in a loop alone?
Trying to make similar decision here, only I am thinking quad nozzled D-TEK VS EK Supreme
Loop is CPU - MCW60 - EK S-Max (NB), PA120.3
Pump is DDC Ultra Petratech top
The EK is supposed to be fairly restrictive, and the general thought is that it should really only be used in it's own loop. I was trying to make the decision myself with the D-Tek vs. EK and ended up using the D-Tek. I am using the 5.5mm nozzle right now and I still see plenty of flow in my res with 3 items in the loop. I would say with the free flowing nature of the rest of your loop, you would probably be better off with a D-Tek with a nozzle kit.
everyone is wonder which is better, both DTek and EK have a great reputation and you can expect great products from both, the real difference is weather or not it suits your application.
i also asked this a few weeks ago, and honestly now ive decided on the EK Supreme, first off. EK has amazing quality, when i saw the inside of the block i was sold. just amazing. and it suits my application perfectly, single CPU loop.
but then again i really am choosing the EK b/c i already have a DTek, wouldnt mind having another but for a few dollar difference, ill go with the EK for my application.
For CPU only loops and a strong pump I think with both nozzled it's going to be close race, but for multiple block loops, D-Tek provides greater flexibility.
I'm testing some of the TDX blocks right now, and amazed how free flowing the new MC-TDX is, it's even better than a fuzion for pressure drop by a hair. Going to have to make a nozzle for it and see how that does..:D
My pump is a DDC-655 or something. :)
1200 LPH
And I will be running a dual-graphic cards setup. :)
Radiator is a PA.120.3. And the CPU is not in a loop for it's own, unfortunately.
Not yet, it would be easy enough to make though...just need to match the ID of the barb.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
OK I'm looking at running a single loop with CPU & GPU but with 2 x DDC 3.2's with Petra's top. Main reason for a single loop is because I want to have the rads in a different room to the computer so am trying to cover about 3 - 4 meters distance with tube. Looking at flow estimators I get higher flow rates with both pumps in the loop than either loop would archive individually.
1.6 GPM for a CPU loop with Quad Nozzled Fuzion (Which I believe is similar in restriction to a stock EK Supreme)
1.45 GPM for GPU loop with EK FC-8800
Where as It estimates 1.75 GPM if I have a single loop with 2 pumps in series.
So what would you suggest for a loop like that? Iv'e been thinking the EK because people have been saying it performs better with stronger pumps/more flow and I think 1.7GPM or so of flow is in the higher range. But now you have me interested in this Aqua Computer block :confused: Any links for it? Or an opinion would be great.
Thanks
Ok don't worry I just looked it up. It looks awesome but for the price it would want to be. To get it in Australia makes it twice the price of the EK or Fuzion & I don't see it being that much better.
HI, Just to throw this thread off in a little different direction, i have the Apogee™ GT and love it. I keep reading about these 2 other blocks and being a lover of the best, i want to change, but I keep telling myself that it will only change the difference in temp by a few degrees, so it doesn't make any sence. AM i on track with my thinking. How big of a delta do you think is between the "Apogee™ GT " and the EK-Supreme or the D-Tek Fuzion. Would i be correct to say that it would be 5 degrees MAX, Ihave great Rad's and flow so it's not an issue of setup but of pure performance.
Thanks for all your time and effort!....
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Martinm210 your looking at making a nozzle kit that fits in a parallel barb which i've never seen??Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
As i explained in PM, the nozzle kit for the TDX fits into the TDK base but as the MC-TDX pins are as high as the base itself i just don't know how this can be unless you plan for the nozzles to fit into the barb itself which would mean they could fit into any block.................look forward to seeing it though:up:
Here's a newcommer to the CPU block market but it looks like the bomb...
Enzotech SCW-1 Sapphire CPU Waterblock
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._1984_21750231
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidew...uters/scw3.jpg
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidew...uters/scw1.gif
i wonder whose to blame for this.... :wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by evil-98
Ummm.... however this doesnt look exactly how i wish it would look, but everything else was good:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0847.jpg
But finally! someone who gives correct advice! You need to decide via application first not via reputation. 1 h2o loop will always be different then the other unless you have the exact bends and use the EXACT amount of tubing, and your pump is the same bin with the exact same rpm... yada yada yada...
The Enzo cant perform as good as this tho. And i hear some of them are cracking.
More pics for your pleasure. Evil gets a round 2 at it.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0842.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0843.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0844.jpg
I wish i had cute little crystal dolls i could put next to my items in my picture like wind does in the motherboard section :up:
I sprung for that enzotech block, it looks nice, but the agogee GT still did better in my loop. IMHO great bang for buck block. I've moved the enzo into my media server box and it looks great with the abit 975x board.
Air velocity? Bad Translation?Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
A review on theEnzotech SCW-1 Sapphire: http://www.virtual-hideout.net/revie...ck/index.shtml
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolmiester
I had a couple of ideas on the MC-TDX nozzles
-Simple, maybe replace the stock barb with one that is smaller and use a fuzion nozzle, may still need some heatshrink tubing around the nozzle to make it snug.
-Still simple - Machine a brass nozzle to fit precisely into the barb.
-Make a custom G 1/4 barb with a nozzle built in. I've got a G 1/4 die on hand now, so I could just make a new barb with a nozzle (symetrical only) and screw it into place.
-More extreme - machine out a 5/8" countersink into the underside of the acrylic top and make some large shallow nozzle plates to fit between the pins and sit nicely into the top. I have a chunk of 5/8" delrin rod sitting here that would be perfect for it. Then I'd have a huge area I could mak all sorts of nozzles. If I didn't want to mess up the stock top, I could just use some 1/2" lexan I have on hand and make my own top.
-Even more extreme. With a custom top I could make a "Mother of all" Barb for the inlet and fit the nozzle in there.
Plenty of options...:D
But innstalling the nozzle kit for the D-Tek Fuzion, would'nt that make the Fuzion block restrictive to?
Or is this a misunderstanding?
Hey.
Few comments.
I am very comfort that Supreme beats the Aquacomputer DI block.
The metal jet plate is laser cut and the edges are discoloured. Nothing to worry ;)
Also all the reviews that have been made shows that Supreme brats the Fuzion for more that 3 °C.
Currently only this one from over-clock3d.net
http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...122309664l.gif
Beat that 99% if you can;)
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.p..._water_block/5
Congratulations Eddy!
Not many others have managed to get an independent site to rate a CPU block higher than the D-tek. :p: :cool:
Good job buddy. :clap:
And the conclusion is? I'm still wating for a clear reply for if I should go with the EK or the D-Tek CPU-block.
SLI and an overclocked quad core, MCP-655 pump. ;)
Eddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
1) Are there any other tests of the EK water block?
2) How tall are the ridges in the copper base plate?
Thanks,
David
Really should be a stock Fuzion v2, if your going to compare.
test has been done before V2 fuzion arrived...
maybe andy could test these blocks? if he has the time that is..
More than fair :) Thanks
One pump - simple test and it's what most folks are going to use.
Awesome, thanks for testing!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Is there any particular orientation differences? Line up the nozzle plate with the cores I'd assume?
Thanks!
Martin
http://www.effizienzgurus.de/main/in...article_id=574
This results show that the v2 is better without the quad plate with a ddc pump
Yes, but not far, I think. No more than 0.5°C. Less than 1°C for sure.
Yes, would be interesting to see it without nozzle. As Martin's tests showed, it seems to perform better on stock
That noise issue is a definite stop for me. Hopefully it's not on stock, but I'm doubtfull. In another thread, it was expierienced by more than 3 persons, at stock, only one pump :confused:
By the way, I was told many times the EK Supreme, in asingle CPU loop, would perform ok with one pump. What do you think about a Laing D5 at vario 4 (MCP655-B)? Will it be a bad performer?
@mcoffey
Thanks for the testing. Many reviews compared the Fuzion V1 to the EK on a quadcore and the difference was about 2°C only. Till now, no direct comparision including Fuzion V1 against V2 on a quadcore. Do you plan it?
Hesitating more than ever. The V2 of the Fuzion seems a mess for now. The EK Supreme is too restrictive for my taste. The Fuzion V1 is getting old...
Looks like the GTZ from Swiftech would be worth the waiting for
Ah, I missed that postQuote:
Originally Posted by Repliquant67
So, now we have a direct comparision between V1 and V2 on quadcore. Looks like the EK Supreme will only outperform the V2 stock, no nozzle, on aquadcore by 1°C :rolleyes:
Impatient to see mcoffey testing
Interesting can't wait for the results. At first I went with Fuzion v1. because I thought that I would be running the loop with multiple blocks, but turned out I only had single cpu loop...
But if I had to buy another cpu block definitely EK Supreme for the compression fittings.
I just find the difference between the v1 and v2 a little bit low on this test from effiziensgurus. Usually, we saw more than 2°C between this two version in the other tests.
But here we're talking about quadcore. I didn't see any tests with a quadcore at about 200WQuote:
Originally Posted by Repliquant67
Where's andy test with quadcore?Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
And that garbadge test shows same trend of results as other reviewers too, doesn't look so bad for me :confused:
I like facts, so still waiting for facts and comparision testing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
If a Fuzion 1 stock is 2°C water-CPU delta difference only from an EK Supreme, than for many of us, the Fuzion 1 is a winner. If the Fuzion 2 stock is now only 1°C far from the EK, and it reveal to be silent, than it will be the winner for most people.
Wait and see...
Garbage??...aww. Come on...be a little open minded.
If the site really crap thermochill wont put their test on thermochill site.;)
PA 120.3
afaik they are one of the earliest to put the ddc mod on the net.
DDC Mod
Should put google translate next time m8 for this.
15 Waterblock Roundup
D-Tek Fuzion V1 vs D-Tek Fuzion V2
Still looking forward for andy test. :-D
No beef here either :), and I don't plan to be of any rudnessQuote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Anyway, hope those tests come soon. All will agree the EK Supreme beats them all, but if it will be by 1°C, than high flow will account for many of us. For all Xtremes and single CPU loops, the EK would still be the first choice, that looks to be one thing you're right for sure.
For many, the restriction must be accounted for. Let's say, this topic is now for those looking at how close the Fuzion v2 stock comes to the EK :) We all know the EK is Supreme in the absolute. Now I'd like, like many, know the relative
Many thanks. Now that there's good reviews of V1 vs EK and V1 vs V2, you're adding the ultimate V2 vs EK with a quadcore. So, we'll have all data to choose the block fulfilling our needsQuote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Looking forward your tests, thanks again for those tests :)
Thanks heaps for the tests Andy, i'm glad i bought the Supreme! :up:
Andy,
Fantastic job as always.
<Looks at my three FuZion v1 and sighs> :(
Nice results Andy, if you have a chance could you try the ek with only one 655, I am curious as to what if any difference the 2nd pump makes (and if with one pump the fusion would beat it)?
Thank you Andy - the time and dedication are sincerely appreciated. Extreme wins. :)
V2 no nozzle might come if there's time, but the EK block comes out on top.
andy you'll pull more with DDC's in serial. :T
and even more with an rd-30 @ 21W. :poke: RRR
Well around 1.5c scale from serial to 21W RD-30. :T
Hehe... at this point water gets uber expensive. :T
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Many many thanks for the tests :up:
So no decrease in performance with only one pump, now at least it's proved
Still waiting for those V2 stock tests. Things could really tighten if we believe other reviews, including martin tests on a C2D
Good job :up:
There is 1.25°C between the two blocks. I'de like to see the results without the quad plate for the d-tech. The two blocks should be closer.
[R3] D-TEK FuZion v2......................FTW! [/MODE]
+1 :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
I'm deathly allergic to tiny holes and slots in my water blocks. :rofl:
Definitely interested in this, since I spent $10 on extra Quad plates for my v2 (accidentally added 2 to the cart - such a small amount, didn't notice).
If there's any improvement, I'll pull the Quad plate next time I have the case out.
-bZj
Thanks Andy.
What is the GTZ you mentioned early on?
JM
Ah thanks. I dig the test bed setup. You obviously dont have kids/cats that wonder the house, waiting to test your patients :p
JM
It seems that the EK Supreme beats the D-Tek in single CPU loop. That's ok for me.
What about adding several WB in the loop? Is this still the same "supremacy"?
Thanks :)
Mr-Rob,
OK no sacarsm necessary... Both are great water blocks.. everybody happy now ?
I'm still having recurring nightmares from my Swiftech Storms :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Thanks Andy for your time and efforts.
Could you post the log results for the one pump only loop?
I think this is more the average XS member build.
Can't wait for the no-nozzle test and the GTZ.
Sarcasm? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I have a EK Supreme on a Maximus Formula (+Q6600), in a loop with 6 WB (GPU/NB/...). I'm very happy with it.
The question is that I have a NexXxos XP˛ HighFLow on a Maximus II Formula (+e8400), in a loop with 2 WB. I just want to change my WB because the "fixation" of the XP˛ is quite "boring": I often switch CPUs and I need something quicker to unmount.
->So, in order to test something else, I just wanted to know if there is a bigger differences with more WB in a loop.
If it that close in term of perf, EK is cheaper :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr-rob
I apologize. Well, you have chosen the best waterbock in the market. Its obvious it works well in your multi-block loop, as long as there is adequate head pressure.
In any event, even if the FuZion V2 were to perform any better under your circumstances, the improvement would be minimal. If you are concerned about the EK being "cheaper" then it would certainly not be cost unproductive to have to rush out and buy a FuZion V2 as well.
I would stick to what you have, and if there is a performance issue, then there's the excuse to buy a second pump.
Hope that was useful.
:up: Price is not the real problem :rolleyes:. And I don't really need to change in fact because i've got nice temp'.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
It is first for a easier way to unmount the block . And I admit: testing something else than NexXxos and EK :p:.
Thx for your answer... I'll take a look at Apogee GTX, Cuplex XT DI too
:buddies:
Look at the forthcoming Apogee GTZ.
Never mind the Apogee GTX. I have one myself. It isn't worth your trouble because its not the equal of the EK.
Awesome testing, thanks for taking the time to not only test with one, but two pumps. I was really curious if that was going to flop things around or not, but you've just shown it doesn't.
Thanks!!:clap::clap:
Martin
v2... no worries about clogging FTW!!! :up:
Yeah, it's nice have 32 channels of logging and it's pretty good down to .2C or so, it's a good tool:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Andy, thanks for taking the time to test and post your findings. If I were a betting man I would have lost big time. :D
Your comments earlier in this thread with respect to the Cuplex DI caught my attention. Was this Cuplex DI tested in the same loop as the V2 and Supreme?
Seriously IanY hit it on the head. Neither of these blocks should leave you dying for the other one unless you happen to prefer an acrylic block (EK). People can and DO lose a degree or two just in a so-so mounting, or an elbow in a tough place. Relax. Both blocks will serve their purpose well.
I'm also looking at doing some serious (as in somewhat scientific/accurate results) watercooling testing. Would you say that all the temp sensors (air in/air out) are necessary? Because if not I will probably go with calibrated sensors on an Aquaero (can only hold 6 sensors).Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Also, how are the sensors connected to the Crystalfontz thing and how time consuming is it to learn the software and set it all up?
And thanks for doing the testing mcoffey! One thing though, it looks like you did just one mount there per block, can you confirm (through previous experience/testing) that those were actually "as good as it gets" mounts? Because at that kinda temp difference the block with the "better" mount usually wins.
Edit: Nevermind Andy, missed this post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Still that sound issue is a major problem.
Hope you can soon test it at stock, no nozzle, to see if it's still there. That noise thing is really irritating. Changing the flow/pump speed, you could see if it's only appearing on too high flows
Thanks for creating the test. Ek acrylic block is probably the best looking block I have seen.