Solid State Drive (SSD) - Review!!!

I wanted to take a report on the Hama SSDs deliver, I did get on 03.01.2008.

The polished aluminum housing is really very nicely processed. These drives are MTRON OEM-SSDs only for Hama (it´s a reseller), depending on the size of up to 300 € more than the Hama's cost.

http://www.mbu.de/news/SolidDisk.html


http://www.abload.de/thumb/pict035538tt.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/pict035947i.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/pict0361doj.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/pict0363lk1.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/pict03668zt.jpg


System is a ASUS P5N32-E SLI + E6600...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_182djg.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_183i5r.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_188c2m.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_189pub.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_198up2.jpg



And here are Benches with the S-ATA-Raid-Controller Areca ARC-1210 (256MB ECC-Ram-Cache).

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_233hx7.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_235ab1.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_234xtj.jpg


RAID 0-Array...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_229n5a.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2329yt.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_223iyk.jpg


The write performance with FC test with onboard controller.

Left: Samsung HD501LJ - Right: Hama SSD...The weakness in writing SSD can be seen clearly here ...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_1952m1k.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_193251p.jpg


The same again, but now with the controller and still ATTO-Bench...

One SSD without Cache...

The majority of controller performance can be seen immediately ...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_214dp6.jpghttp://www.abload.de/img/hc_213onj.jpg


One SSD with cache. The benefits are really enormous ... :D

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_215wq0.jpghttp://www.abload.de/img/hc_2122oy.jpg


RAID 0 + Cache...


Nearly a halving extractiontime... *ggg*

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2052cvd.jpg


Without Cache...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_222vxm.jpg


With Cache...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_220m2v.jpg


RAID 0 with 3 SSDs...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_256wzi.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_257n2a.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_259zoa.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2601n9.jpg


RAID 0 with 4 SSDs... *ggg*

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_247er8.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_24955n.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2542cl.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_255066.jpg


RAID 5 with 3 SSDs...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_261909.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_262ymo.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2633a6.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_264zx4.jpg


RAID 5 with 4 SDDs...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_250s8x.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2528cv.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/hc_251z6n.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/hc_253ad5.jpg



Even a few benches with IOmeter...

Mit Workstation-Pattern... *<-klick*

2x SSD @ RAID 0 with Write-Cache

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_184a50.jpg


2x SSD @ RAID 0 without Write-Cache

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_199vme.jpg


150GB Raptor

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_18648e.jpg


Samsung HD501LJ

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_185l3h.jpg



Mit Fileserver-Pattern... *<-klick*


2x SSDs @ RAID 0 mit Write-Cache

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_194ro6.jpg


2x SSD @ RAID 0 ohne Write-Cache

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_200yam.jpg


150GB Raptor

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_1934ac.jpg


Samsung HD501LJ

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_192dlx.jpg



Mit Database-Pattern... *<-klick*

2x SSDs @ RAID 0 with Write-Cache

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_197i32.jpg


2x SSDs @ RAID 0 without Write-Cache

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_198vtc.jpg


150GB Raptor

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_196xwf.jpg


Samsung HD501LJ

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_1955sz.jpg


From here all the tests with only one SSD...

The Windows XP Start time:
The difference is really noticeable - of course, at work. One the other hand, is a Raptor Nothing!
This I simply beautiful packed XP on the Samsung Hama cloned, as a fresh OS little anfordernd.

Samsung = 69sek.
SSD = 46sek.

Difference of 50&#37;


Copy / move of large files:
I have a beautiful large selbstgenerierte file of exactly 5GB taken and copying at the click abgestoppt exactly.

Copy within a SDD 36MB/sek approx.
Copying the other SSD SSD 81MB/sek approx.

2.25 times faster ...


HL2 - Lost Coast:
This time I have the time from the double click until the appearance of the menus stopped. More specifically, until the ink on the background image appears. It was always only ONCE HL2 started and abgestoppt since the 2nd Load times already a lot of data in RAM or Videoram. There were each stopped 5 times (also 5-boot), a precise value funds.

Samsung HD501LJ = 27.6 sec.
Hama SSD = 19.5 sec.

Difference nearly 42%

The repeated time after loading end of HL2 showed little difference (basic stands above). Since it is just 0.1 sec. (If any). It is important but the first after loading Windows Start.


Crysis:
This I Crysis on c: \ XP installed (such as HL2). I assumed that the loading time also depends on the settings - so that high resolution + AA / AF / details more data in RAM or Videoram land than with moderate attitude. Therefore, I have the highest setting (1920x1200 + + 16xAA high). I then a batch file for the GPU bench, as the intros, and the menu is being circumvented.
Stopped Auf&#252;hren was from the batch file to the disappearance of the loading screen. Re with 5 passes (each after a restart).
The drives were (like HL2 also) first with Perfect Disk defragt the game installed and the same again defragt. So all very clean.

Samsung HD501LJ = 44.2 sec.
Hama SSD = 30.2 sec.

Difference approximately 46%


WinRar 3.70:
Here I simply the folder "dllcache" c: \ windows \ system32 \. It is about 450MB in size and includes 2460 files of a few hundred bytes of up to 13MB. Only small files would be naturally better for testing, but here is the Hama very strongly on the Samsung. The result would be even more dramatic with only small files.
Thus, the CPU is not the whole limited WinRar I have the option to "save".

Samsung = 28.5 sec.
Hama = 18.3 sec.

Approximately 56% difference! *OMG*


Windows boot time - vs. Hama. Seagate ST3160021A:
I have the OS on my work PC (Venice A64 3200 +, MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum) on the SSD cloned. In the PC handycrafts been 3 1 / 2 years with a 24/7-Betrieb Seagate ST3160021A (160GB - 2MB cache). Since the OS is already very crowded and some in the Quick Launch toolbar lands needs the chest about 3:25 minutes until HDD activity no longer be seen. What should I say? The result almost made me away ...

ST3160021A (160GB - 2MB cache) = 3:28 min
Hama = 1:28 minutes! *Aaargh*

Bright 2.36 times faster! *OMG*


Raid array:
So it looks like I can not Raid 0 on the ASUS create when you press F7 should immediately so a pop. It does not (freeze)
That would be very unfortunate if that is not suffering. Had me on Raid 0 pleased ...

The problem with raid on the ASUS is likely to be found. Either Drives are too small (some controllers to accept no small Drives) or the IDs of the drives are not allowed. So even with the 9650 series of 3ware. These controllers support SSD's NOT! Only the 9590 Series supports this, but merely coincidental or unintentionally (as you told me).
The controller of Areca but run well with SSDs.


http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/

http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...d.php?t=400991

http://mtron.net/Upload_Data/Spec/ASiC/MSP-SATA7035.pdf

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_State_Drive

http://www.ssdisk.eu/benchmark_pc_extreme_raid.php

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...&postcount=336

http://www.hmk.de/datasheets/PM_HMK_SSD_0307.pdf

http://www.cis.nctu.edu.tw/~lpchang/...ac2007_ppt.pdf

This is good.
Relabled for lower prices.
If I understand correctly up to 300€, deppending on the size.
But my guess those arent the fastest ones, these have reads of 95MB/s

Can anyone translate a rough summary of this post for me? :D

EDIT : Nevermind, SSD's are out of my price range and interest right now lol.

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This is good.
Relabled for lower prices.
If I understand correctly up to 300€, deppending on the size.
But my guess those arent the fastest ones, these have reads of 95MB/s

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I pay for one 16GB-SSD 399€ (588,50 US-$). How much cost a MTRON-SSD 3,5" (16GB) in USA?
Yes, the datarate is only on paper 120MB/s. (because S-ATA 1-Interface) :down:

edit: Oh, i see you are from Croatia :D

^Too bad about the interface they really dropped the ball on that one!

OT: Yes i am. :D
PS: Can't believe that your user name wasn't taken long before! :D

*update*

AMCC 3ware Escalade 9650SE-Series DONT support SSD&#180;s. I heard, the Drivers for the Controler dont except the SSD-IDs!!! The same problem with my P5N32-E SLI???
I ordered a "Areca Tekram ARC-1210" :)

Hopefully they will add the support in a new driver/firmware then...

Hmm... And when? I need a controler now!

From what I understand you can't go wrong with Areca now days. So don't wait.
Shoot 3ware a message, maybe they will respond quckly.

http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...&postcount=113

Now with Areca ARC-1210 :D

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_201jgw.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_202uu7.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2030aj.jpg

2 in Raid0, no?

Yes, 2x 16GB @ AID 0

Samsung HD501LJ...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_207404.jpg


2x SSD @ AID 0 am Areca...

http://www.abload.de/img/hc_2084zi.jpg



So, und hier noch der h2bench...

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Kapazit&#228;t: CHS=(3890/255/63), 62492850 Sektoren = 30514 MByte

Interface-Transferrate mit Blockgr&#246;&#223;e 128 Sektoren bei 0.0&#37; der Kapazit&#228;t:
Sequenzielle Leserate Medium (ungebremst): 214971 KByte/s
Sequenzielle Leserate Read-Ahead (Verz&#246;gerung: 0.33 ms): 557648 KByte/s
Wiederholtes sequenzielles Lesen ("Coretest"): 606744 KByte/s
Sequenzielle Schreibrate Medium (ungebremst): 188578 KByte/s
Sequenzielle Schreibrate Cache (Verz&#246;gerung: 0.37 ms): 312330 KByte/s
Wiederholtes sequenzielles Schreiben: 351682 KByte/s

Dauertransferrate (Blockgr&#246;&#223;e: 128 Sektoren):
Lesen: Mittel 215038.8, Min 212651.4, Max 216182.1 [KByte/s]
Schreiben: Mittel 158826.5, Min 150162.5, Max 349809.4 [KByte/s]

Zugriffszeit Lesen: Mittel 0.14, Min 0.03, Max 1.86 [ms]
Zugriffszeit Schreiben: Mittel 0.03, Min 0.03, Max 0.03 [ms]
Zugriffszeit Lesen (<504 MByte): Mittel 0.10, Min 0.08, Max 0.10 [ms]
Zugriffszeit Schreiben (<504 MByte): Mittel 0.03, Min 0.03, Max 0.04 [ms]

Anwendungsprofil `Swappen': 49471.5 KByte/s
Anwendungsprofil `Installieren': 122742.2 KByte/s
Anwendungsprofil `Word': 284210.8 KByte/s
Anwendungsprofil `Photoshop': 147773.5 KByte/s
Anwendungsprofil `Kopieren': 245447.6 KByte/s
Anwendungsprofil `F-Prot': 80983.9 KByte/s
Gesamtergebnis: Anwendungsindex = 128.0
!!! WARNUNG: Anwendungsprofile ungenau, da Kapazit&#228;t zu klein

Timeraufl&#246;sung: 0.000 &#181;s, 3399.660 MHz
Timerstatistik: 1800060072 Aufrufe, min 0.53 &#181;s, mittel 6809.43 &#181;s, max 1611608.85 &#181;s
Testbeginn: 12.01.08 00:34:14
Testversion: $Id: h2bench.c,v 3.12 2006/11/24 15:45:09 bo Exp $/Win32
Kommandozeile: h2benchw.exe -a -! -w c:\HamaMtronSSD 2

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Und hier die grafische Darstellung...

http://www.abload.de/thumb/hc_210gwz.jpg

h2benchw ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/ctsi/h2benchw.zip
Ghostscript 8.61 for x86 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gho...6&big_mirror=1
Ghostscript 8.61 for x64 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gho...0&big_mirror=1

Update Post#1 (Final)

Update...

"Birdman&#180;s" Bericht &#252;ber SSDs mit versch. Controllern... http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...d.php?t=400991

How come the 3ware is doing so bad?
I can mostly just buy 3ware here.
Do you have any such reviews with that 3ware controller using normal drives?

I don&#180;t know. At the moment it&#180;s better to buy a Areca-Controller.

Great tests!
THANX!

the question is will ssd or flash to be exact replace traditional hd as space ?

eventually ?

and yes these babes also the 16gb will shake our world in the near future.
not only on pc where games and oses will fly but also on servers.

imagine sql on ssd ! hell bring it on !

For normal users one SSD is enough ;)
The boot-time with 2 SSDs in RAID 0 is nor faster than one SSD. And the applications do not pop-up faster than one SSD. (see here... http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/ )
The absolute advantage with 2 SSDs in RAID 0 is copying small/big files and extracting big archives inside the array.

How much is a 16GB-MTRON (Mobi 3000) in USA?
I can buy it for 280€ (shipping included). That&#180;s actually US-$ 437,49. Good or bad price?

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

For normal users one SSD is enough ;)
The boot-time with 2 SSDs in RAID 0 is nor faster than one SSD. And the applications do not pop-up faster than one SSD. (see here... http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/ )
The absolute advantage with 2 SSDs in RAID 0 is copying small/big files and extracting big archives inside the array.

How much is a 16GB-MTRON (Mobi 3000) in USA?
I can buy it for 280€ (shipping included). That´s actually US-$ 437,49. Good or bad price?

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Too much for me. I can still dream though. Awesome performance! Thanks for the review.

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

How much is a 16GB-MTRON (Mobi 3000) in USA?
I can buy it for 280€ (shipping included). That´s actually US-$ 437,49. Good or bad price?

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16GB Mobi is about $389 (not including shipping)

Thanks for the nice review :clap:

Exclusive of VAT?

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

Exclusive of VAT?

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Hi I'm unsure of international shipping & tax policies to your country. You would have to contact the store.

Here are 2 sites that have Mobi in stock in the USA:

http://www.dvnation.com/nand-flash-ssd.html

http://www.neostore.com/

Cheers

In germany we have 19&#37; VAT (in the USA?)

Canada & USA use sales tax, not VAT.

It's a bit different and it the amount charged varies by state or province.

In California, state tax is 7.25%, but local tax can increase that amount by a bit more.

crazy fast

shame about pricing and capacity for every day use

great stuff for OS

The raptor should have been faster in most of those tests than the Samsung. (burst speed really isn't the end all in most situations)

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Originally Posted by Anemone

The raptor should have been faster in most of those tests than the Samsung. (burst speed really isn't the end all in most situations)

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not really actually - the samsung has perpendicular recording tech - so it'll have (& always has had) slightly better MB/s.. but its still behind when it comes to access times :yepp:

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Originally Posted by dinos22

crazy fast

shame about pricing and capacity for every day use

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i guess it depends on how much u've spent on fast storage in the past :D

my i-ram + 4GB ram cost me ~AUD$400.. a Mtron 16GB from ebay will set me back ~AUD$420.. almost same as i-ram, but with 4x capacity (& almost exact same performance)! very tempting :D

Wow, if only they were cheaper!

F.E.A.R. I noticed in another thread you orderd one (or more) OCZ 2.5" SATA II SSD (http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a322501.html). Have you recieved it? Please give a brief review when you do. I am very close to order one from K&M Elektronik (they ship to Denmark as well) but I would love to hear your (or someone else) first hand impressions first.

Thanks a lot

I'll say again, if you are just benching (transfer rate) the Samsung is fine. Day to day use, access time makes a world of difference to most folks.

Should have at least tested it on the "general use" test.

SSD FTW... :shocked:

I can't wait prices go a little bit down. :banana2:

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Originally Posted by dinos22

crazy fast

shame about pricing and capacity for every day use

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At the moment i&#180;m using XP x86 on a 24/7-System. Working with SSD is very smooth. This brings much more performance as the biggest CPU-Upgrade :yepp:
For normaly using you need only 1 SSD (MTRON Mobi 3000). The boot-time an appslLoading with more than 100MB/s. is not faster (only extracting archives/copying and very complex apps).

The SSD-Community in germany and in france is big. I don&#180;t understand why not in the great USA??? :confused:

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=427495 (F.E.A.R. = Snoopy69 ;))

http://www.nokytech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106705

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Originally Posted by Holmer

F.E.A.R. I noticed in another thread you orderd one (or more) OCZ 2.5" SATA II SSD (http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a322501.html). Have you recieved it? Please give a brief review when you do. I am very close to order one from K&M Elektronik (they ship to Denmark as well) but I would love to hear your (or someone else) first hand impressions first.

Thanks a lot

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I have canceld the OCZ. It&#180;s better to wait after the Cebit 2008 ;)

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

I have canceld the OCZ. It´s better to wait after the Cebit 2008 ;)

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Thanks, please elaborate. Cebit 2008 is over, I know Mtron have a 240/220 MB/s SATAII SSD on the way (you initially leaked the info and I have heard the same by a German Mtron distributer) but do you know more exactly when? (I guess this is the thing to wait for or?).

I appreciate your info.

Here's my 2GB CF SSD (Sandisk Extreme IV) with appropriate SATA2 adapter. Quite expensive though, 55€ for CF card, another 10€ for the adapter. But is sure fast!

http://shrani.si/f/3R/oZ/4QmcbrDM/dsc0444.jpg

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Originally Posted by tiborrr

Here's my 2GB CF SSD (Sandisk Extreme IV) with appropriate SATA2 adapter. Quite expensive though, 55€ for CF card, another 10€ for the adapter. But is sure fast!

http://shrani.si/f/3R/oZ/4QmcbrDM/dsc0444.jpg

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Please share the performance here or PM! I thinking to buy CF card+ adapter, but I don't know real performance! Thanks

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Originally Posted by Holmer

Thanks, please elaborate. Cebit 2008 is over, I know Mtron have a 240/220 MB/s SATAII SSD on the way (you initially leaked the info and I have heard the same by a German Mtron distributer) but do you know more exactly when? (I guess this is the thing to wait for or?).

I appreciate your info.

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240/180/MB/s. - not 240/220MB/s. ;)
I heard Q3/2008 (maybe earlier)...

Which distributer do you mean - http://www.winkom.eu/?
Winkom.eu ist the chief agency of MTRON for germany

I translate this by goggle...

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Since October 2007, the company Winkom Alpirsbach in the European general agent for the Korean memory manufacturer MTRON.

The central logistics of WINKOM is in Frascati / Roma Italy.
In addition to the SSD drives, we also sell LCD monitors, Internet TVs, HD-media recorders, touch panels, as well as security solutions for surveillance cameras to monitors.
With its sister company Blue H-Germany is a private label.

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@ tiborrr

Which accesstimes? (HDtune or HDtach)

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

240/180/MB/s. - not 240/220MB/s. ;)
I heard Q3/2008 (maybe earlier)...

Which distributer do you mean - http://www.winkom.eu/?
Winkom.eu ist the chief agency of MTRON for germany

I translate this by goggle...

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Thanks very interesting. Yes it is Winkom.eu. I got the following offer from them:
MTRON MSD3025-032 € 479,-
MTRON MSP7035-032 € 659,-

the prices are incl. VAT + shipping (17 Euro to Denmark).
I have not found it cheaper elsewhere and service seems great, I guess you may have better contacts or is that reasonable prices?
I was close to buying the OCZ SATA II but was reminded that it uses MLC flash memory and therefore I am back and few clicks from ordering a Mtron MSD3025-032. I even bought a 790i-based motherboard to avoid the limitations with the Mtron disks with the Intel ICH9R controller.

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Originally Posted by Holmer

Thanks very interesting. Yes it is Winkom.eu. I got the following offer from them:
MTRON MSD3025-032 € 479,-
MTRON MSP7035-032 € 659,-

the prices are incl. VAT + shipping (17 Euro to Denmark).
I have not found it cheaper elsewhere and service seems great, I guess you may have better contacts or is that reasonable prices?
I was close to buying the OCZ SATA II but was reminded that it uses MLC flash memory and therefore I am back and few clicks from ordering a Mtron MSD3025-032. I even bought a 790i-based motherboard to avoid the limitations with the Mtron disks with the Intel ICH9R controller.

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This is a very good price - buy them ;)
Normaly you pay these prices WITHOUT shipping...

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=...+&pixonoff=off


Many users in our Forum (HWluxx) order their SSDs from Winkom.
Winkom order your SSDs directly from Italy and send them in ~7 days to you :D

uhmmmm windows boot time with the 160gb hdd was 3:28 min :stick:
wth man? :eek:

Many, many little programs - and more :D

My Power-User-Desktop http://www.abload.de/img/uglylaughk53.gif

http://www.abload.de/thumb/hc_2123us.jpg

PS: Spricht und schreibst du auch deutsch? (i see germany)

Uhh..

yea.... that might help explain it.

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Originally Posted by tiborrr

Here's my 2GB CF SSD (Sandisk Extreme IV) with appropriate SATA2 adapter. Quite expensive though, 55€ for CF card, another 10€ for the adapter. But is sure fast!
http://shrani.si/f/3R/oZ/4QmcbrDM/dsc0444.jpg

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I just got 4 of those adaptors, should be here in about 2 weeks. I need to read some reviews to find 4 cf cards that will suit my needs.

I would like to see your results with a single card.
Got any hdtach or hdtune screen shots?

The new Memoright-SSDs...

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/story.php?id=7288

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...postcount=3036

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...postcount=3038

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Originally Posted by F.E.A.R.

This is a very good price - buy them ;)
Normaly you pay these prices WITHOUT shipping...

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I ordered one 32GB Mtron Mobi at Winkom, they shipped it friday and I recieved it tuesday. It is working like a charm and the boot time and responsiveness is just :shocked: There is no detection delay or 80 MB/s speed cap on the 790i chipset (read 104 MB/s) and I just love it.

I just ordered a 32gb mtron mobi 3000 3.5 at www.neostore.com.
$649. is a hard pill to swallow but wth, it's only money, right? lol
I looked at the OCZ one for $519. but it only has a 1 year warranty vs the 3 year on the mtron. Frankly, these drives should carry at the least a 5 year warranty for the price premium

Holy hell...
thanks for the benchmarks, I now know where my tax refund is going:shocked:

.1 ms is a awesome access time