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4-in-1 Motherboard Cooling :D
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Damn this one is good :D :rocker:
P.S. Would the heatpipes work if the definitive NB cooling (DI or LN2) were used? :)
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hmmm did i say I WANT one???!!!! :D
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this is REALLY SCARY actually
shamino you are cracking me up man
they are listening to you too much i think :D
juuuuuuuuuuust kidding
honestly if this doesn't add too much to the cost it would be a great idea....pls just keep that in mind when doing these.
some of the watercooling guys may frown upon the W.C. idea if this is ALU based heatsink as they would probably all have copper in their loops. If you add copper the price is going to skyrocket so tough one :(
another interesting thing to ask is how does the NB react to LN2 being poured on it.....does it have a cold bug??....guess you can just put some ice pallets on there anyways :) heh
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The moment I saw the top of the pic with the LN2 pot I thought..
"that NB heatsink box could be used as a....."
:D:D
Great idea!!!
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That is a GREAT addon to the overclocking enthusiasts, very flexible and efficient solution and no wasted material, I like it. Nice design!
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Nice idea :O
But Shamino, which board is that? Because it sure ain't a P35 MARS :D Is it a new upcoming X38/X48 high end board?
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Damn you Sham, you just made my wet my pants !
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Very interesting - though at sub zero temperatures those heatpipes are gonna be pretty redundant.
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Skyline GT-R
Nice idea :O
But Shamino, which board is that? Because it sure ain't a P35 MARS :D Is it a new upcoming X38/X48 high end board?
Google is your friend: Quantum Force X48 Preview (1 picture, but it looks like the real deal)
I think we're looking at a winner... that cooling solution is pure genious! Just needs a good BIOS, some DDR3-1800, a QX9770 and a big pot filled with LN. I'm certain it could set some unbelievable records.
Good work Sham and the people at Foxconn. :clap: Way to go! :up:
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That is the setup I'd WANT if I had excessive amount $$$. :D
I can foresee a huge popularity for this board among ppl who can afford such setup. Keep it coming Shamino, I hope they pay you good cuz I think Foxconn's enthusiast product sales will skyrocket since you joined them. :up:
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Great idea Sham! :clap:
What is the material of that 4in1 NB cooler?
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Hmm, I might ditch my Maximus Formula for this one.
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very nice! :toast:
i see you finally found a place to machine the prototype :D
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That looks seriously industrial, a welcomed change from heatpipe city. :D
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LardArse: Hmmm whats are inside the heatpipes on this cooler? are its same stuff like in the Big Typhoon LN2/DI will make them to not work(the gas will not move or something) . I´m almost toasted my Opty 146 becuse of it....used -20c air on the Big Typhoon and the temp on the core was going up fast to +90c->
Sry for may bad english.
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the heatpipe is only used to move heat from the sb to the nb and from the nb to the mosfet heatsink
the southbridge doesnt produce that much heat, so it doesnt need the heatpipe to remove the heat i guess.
the nb will be cooled well enough so it doesnt need the heatpipe to the pmw mosfets.
and the pmw mosfets have their own heatsink and dont need the heatpipe :)
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That is just awesome Shamino..!! :D
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Originally Posted by
saaya
the heatpipe is only used to move heat from the sb to the nb and from the nb to the mosfet heatsink
the southbridge doesnt produce that much heat, so it doesnt need the heatpipe to remove the heat i guess.
the nb will be cooled well enough so it doesnt need the heatpipe to the pmw mosfets.
and the pmw mosfets have their own heatsink and dont need the heatpipe :)
Yeah maybe thats right but you never know :) , and i dont know if the gas was making heat also when the pipes get colder,forgot to check that...or if its only stoped to work, But the best would be if the connection from nb - pwm/sb was not made of pipes with gas thats dont like cold....maybe cooler pwm, sb give some higher clocks.
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Very nice idea, just wondering if weather it would be a bit tricky to insulate that thing when ln2/dice are used.
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Love this Sham...just exelent :toast:
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Thanks guys! This is an ES, some parts didn't come out as i wanted so need to change for next sample. As it is ES, I'm trying Aluminum with copper base first. The reason why the walls are not taller is due to the CPU HSF... though Saaya gave me a great idea to extend the walls seperately! :up:
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
Thanks guys! This is an ES, some parts didn't come out as i wanted so need to change for next sample. As it is ES, I'm trying Aluminum with copper base first. The reason why the walls are not taller is due to the CPU HSF... though Saaya gave me a great idea to extend the walls seperately! :up:
Make any piece that makes contact with water either copper or brass. Aluminum will only cause problems. Awesome concept though! :up:
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me (and most others) would prefer the nb pot to be copper.
but, in general its a really great idea and far better than the heatpipe lollocoaster crap certain companies *cough* anus *cough* use.
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This kind of efford is very nice to see beind done.
You guys make practical stuff that the big companies will definitely mimic :up:
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ok copper i bear that in mind! :D I think it's worth the few dollars extra for copper anyhows :)
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Would removal of cooling assembly to insulate NB void warranty?
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im loving the concept.. and yes i probably would buy one :D
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Originally Posted by
T_M
Would removal of cooling assembly to insulate NB void warranty?
I dont think so, whoevers gonna be doing this will be smacking cold onto the cpu as well, so he/she'gonna be doing some insulation anyways...
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Originally Posted by
naokaji
me (and most others) would prefer the nb pot to be copper.
but, in general its a really great idea and far better than the heatpipe lollocoaster crap certain companies *cough* anus *cough* use.
I thought the 'lollercoaster' heatpipes were MSI? Asus has the 'pimp my mobo' pipes.
Oh yeah... on topic. I really like this ES. It gives a lot of great options. It's like choosing the difficulty level in Wolfenstein 3D. Passive is like "Can I play?" and ln2 is like "Death Incarnate". Very nice!
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LardArse
ok copper i bear that in mind! :D I think it's worth the few dollars extra for copper anyhows :)
wooooooooot
shopping list is growing... any chance that cooler will be on a decent mainboard that will be released in q1 to go with Q9450?
@proetheusCon, yep, your right, msi is the lollocoaster company, but, asus is no better if it comes to weird cooling even if they dont give it lollocoaster shape...
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Question................what board or boards will this work on?
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peter, without the heatpipes the heatsinks would still be sufficient to cool a passive system right?
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Originally Posted by
Lastviking
LardArse: Hmmm whats are inside the heatpipes on this cooler? are its same stuff like in the Big Typhoon LN2/DI will make them to not work(the gas will not move or something) . I´m almost toasted my Opty 146 becuse of it....used -20c air on the Big Typhoon and the temp on the core was going up fast to +90c->
Sry for may bad english.
Exactly what i thought to ...
But they say it isnt so i believe it :) .
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Originally Posted by
T_M
peter, without the heatpipes the heatsinks would still be sufficient to cool a passive system right?
but it may lose out in temps man, once it loses people freak out...
i only have one sample if i had more id snip the heatpipes to see what the temp diff is
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
Thanks guys! This is an ES, some parts didn't come out as i wanted so need to change for next sample. As it is ES, I'm trying Aluminum with copper base first. The reason why the walls are not taller is due to the CPU HSF... though Saaya gave me a great idea to extend the walls seperately! :up:
nice idea, but i see 2 problems:
change the barbs to g1/4" (they look like 1/8")
use copper for the nb part
use EK barbs :D
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i had this idea a couple months ago, but this looks a lot more functional than my idea. plus, i didn't have the materials to try this.
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
but it may lose out in temps man, once it loses people freak out...
i only have one sample if i had more id snip the heatpipes to see what the temp diff is
true but at LN2 temps the cold will conduct along the heatpipe wall anyway regardless of the wicking material inside so it may not be a total loss ;)
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
Make any piece that makes contact with water either copper or brass. Aluminum will only cause problems. Awesome concept though! :up:
Agreed. Copper or Brass for all us watercoolers.
Likewise I'm loving the idea. Do the heatpipes actually contain anything? There was that investigation by some website a while ago that chopped some up and found nothing inside them...If they're just metal pipes, they'll conduct the cold and chill the SB and MOSFETS, and then still work afterwards. :up:
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It's great. It's a much better cooling solution than what 100% of motherboards currently sport. But y'know what? You can get away with terrible cooling for chipsets. Actually, chipsets have been getting colder lately (although power regulation has been getting hotter). I guess you can't have it all.
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well done shaminó(and foxconn), looks very interesting :up:
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That has to be the best heatpipe style chipset cooling I have ever seen.
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a very nice piece of work, inventive! :D
as advised, copper is mandatory for proper watercooling ... it would be nice
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We are REALLY seing some mind braking designing here :D
I love the way we all save money because it has air, Water and more in 1 :D
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Originally Posted by
r1ch
Agreed. Copper or Brass for all us watercoolers.
Likewise I'm loving the idea. Do the heatpipes actually contain anything? There was that investigation by some website a while ago that chopped some up and found nothing inside them...If they're just metal pipes, they'll conduct the cold and chill the SB and MOSFETS, and then still work afterwards. :up:
My Big Typhoon most have something in the heat pipes becuse the cpu cant get hotter if i add some -20c air on the cooler..But the -20c did make my cpu very very hot after sometime.
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thats a pretty wicked setup, benchzowner would love the option for the Ln2
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I applaud you for actually making a functional heatpipe assembly. Top notch stuff and I hope this could possibly become a future trend if cost isn't too expensive.
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why not a separate NB from SB, no heatpipes at all.
do a good NB mini pot, i wouldnt care much about air if this is for extreme people dont do mid things.
I'd definetly put dry ice on it, as over 1.8XX vNB board wouldnt boot.
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mrlobber
Damn this one is good :D :rocker:
P.S. Would the heatpipes work if the definitive NB cooling (DI or LN2) were used? :)
No.. The liquid would most likely freeze.
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hmmm
For the supercooling, no the heatpipe wont work, the material inside is WATER, assembled at a lower pressure than atmospheric, so it boils at a much lower temperature... but an LN like temps it will just freeze at the NB end. And if enough cold works down the pipe, it will be a condensation nightmare, you'd have to insulate the whole assembly.
Shimano...
For WC though, use copper and its a really NICE solution.... make one for the Foxconn NForce 590 board.... and if possible UPDATE the bios to include all the settings for the A64 that the ASUS Crosshair board includes.... the Foxconn board would be better than the already excellent product it is now!!!!
Also, let the boyz in the lab know, the Rictek 9715 used for the Vdimm is crapping out and drooping badly at higher Vdimm levels with "D9" ddr2.... just as it did on the DFI NF4-SLR DR boards with BH5 ram.
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MaxxxRacer
No.. The liquid would most likely freeze.
woudnt they still provide some cooling though simply from the pipes material?
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great great idea :up: :up: :up: :up:
Is there a CPU version???
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CPU? Why do you need one with Gorillakos pots, Kingpin's F1, etc... ;)
ok, I will anodise it copper... is it ok guys?? :ROTF:
Kiddin, I've decided, it won't go out till it's copper, probably full copper.
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
CPU? Why do you need one with Gorillakos pots, Kingpin's F1, etc... ;)
ok, I will anodise it copper... is it ok guys?? :ROTF:
Kiddin, I've decided, it won't go out till it's copper, probably full copper.
LOL, copper colored aluminum...who are you, Asus? :p:
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EnJoY
LOL, copper colored aluminum...who are you, Asus? :p:
OUCH. :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
CPU? Why do you need one with Gorillakos pots, Kingpin's F1, etc... ;)
ok, I will anodise it copper... is it ok guys?? :ROTF:
Kiddin, I've decided, it won't go out till it's copper, probably full copper.
better be full copper :rofl:
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if copper
this will add $40-50 to the price will it not
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Does the mosfet sink actually contact all of the mosfets very well?
Most of the time i've found the best way to do it is epoxy the mosfet sink to the mosfets. Best contact you'll get without putting on idividual sinks anyways.
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Originally Posted by
STEvil
Does the mosfet sink actually contact all of the mosfets very well?
Most of the time i've found the best way to do it is epoxy the mosfet sink to the mosfets. Best contact you'll get without putting on idividual sinks anyways.
youre absolutely right, not just mosfets, especially for heatpiped setup even sometimes NB or SB is not fixed on hard!
So for this, I have a small back plate behind mosfets and clamped down hard on mosfets no bowing on mosfet part after i tried clamping down my cpu pot super tight. and paddish pads to fit the countours of mosfets individually so the minute difference in height will be ok
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An included mosfet backplate? This thing just keeps getting better. :up:
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Good to have the backplate.. dont want it to be a waffle like asus boards lol ;)
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LardArse
So for this, I have a small back plate behind mosfets and clamped down hard on mosfets
awesome!!! :toast:
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
who are you, Asus? :p:
No cursewords and insults! thats against the forum rules! ^^
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
Kiddin, I've decided, it won't go out till it's copper, probably full copper.
thats the right decision, most h20 setups are copper and copper plus alu blocks in one loop = corrosion. water additives can slow it down but never stop it, so copper is def the way to go
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Originally Posted by
naokaji
woudnt they still provide some cooling though simply from the pipes material?
no, the heatpipe walls are very thin, around 0.1-0.2mm usually, so they arent good at moving heat just by themselves without the phase change effect of the carrier inside.
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Originally Posted by
uwackme
Shimano...
:rofl: :ROTF: :lol:
It happened again! :D
When SHIMANO, me, fr3ak and vahid from techpowerup were hanging out in leiptzig after GC vahid accidently called shamino shimano as well and all of us burst out in laughter :D
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he he, the real saaya-style post above ^ :D
I like this concept, just want to see how it works, quickly :up: (and copper FTW :rolleyes: )
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that looks great, looking forward to what the finish product will look like
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Yes Shamino is worth every $ he gets paid ;)
GOOD for FOXCONN :D
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saaya
No cursewords and insults! thats against the forum rules! ^^
You knew that was a joke, right? :confused:
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
You knew that was a joke, right? :confused:
^^ = Yes i think he knew it was a joke ;) , but i can have wrong
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Foxconn might become the next OCers choice if they play their cards right.
It only takes one good product to get us to follow
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
CPU? Why do you need one with Gorillakos pots, Kingpin's F1, etc... ;)
ok, I will anodise it copper... is it ok guys?? :ROTF:
Kiddin, I've decided, it won't go out till it's copper, probably full copper.
Why must you crush my dreams??? :(
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Nice idea.
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
ok copper i bear that in mind! :D I think it's worth the few dollars extra for copper anyhows :)
Much better.
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Originally Posted by
MR_SmartAss
You don't need the heat pipe to the SB. Just put a bigger passive cooler and you're done with it
I agree. The SB can get by with a low-profile heatsink.
Sometimes with these heatpipes manufacturers connect the components
with, the SB is heated instead of being cooled.
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
LOL, copper colored aluminum...who are you, Asus? :p:
Hahaha :D
One more idea:
making the NB 3-piece may make it even more flexible and efficient for air-
cooling. Here's what I'm thinking:
Base+heatpipe+fins - O-ring - walls - O-ring - Top+barbs.
So for air-cooling, it's just the first part - base+hp+fins. No walls obstructing
air-flow. For DI/LN2, screw the walls back. You can also make a special higher
wall with longer screws for DI. For water, just screw the top on the walls.
And another:
a stepped base under the NB/pot for easier insulation?
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Originally Posted by
Frank M
Nice idea.
Much better.
I agree. The SB can get by with a low-profile heatsink.
Sometimes with these heatpipes manufacturers connect the components
with, the SB is heated instead of being cooled.
Hahaha :D
One more idea:
making the NB 3-piece may make it even more flexible and efficient for air-
cooling. Here's what I'm thinking:
Base+heatpipe+fins - O-ring - walls - O-ring - Top+barbs.
So for air-cooling, it's just the first part - base+hp+fins. No walls obstructing
air-flow. For DI/LN2, screw the walls back. You can also make a special higher
wall with longer screws for DI. For water, just screw the top on the walls.
And another:
a stepped base under the NB/pot for easier insulation?
you mean like this? :)
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6985/nnbaa3.jpg
dice should be ok, ln2 I dunno if the o ring will hold long...
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Originally Posted by
xlink
Foxconn might become the next OCers choice if they play their cards right.
It only takes one good product to get us to follow
meh i heard the same for the mars yet i fail to see everyone having one :P
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just pull the o-ring before dumping in LN2 if you're concerned ;)
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
dice should be ok, ln2 I dunno if the o ring will hold long...
LOL, if dice is not enough to cool your northbridge, I think you may be too extreme for this planet. :D :p:
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
LOL, if dice is not enough to cool your northbridge, I think you may be too extreme for this planet. :D :p:
It's Sham, I mean I was expecting him to build a cascade for it. :D
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Littledevil used Rubber rings to seal his pots, maybe contact him Lardy ;)
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
LOL, if dice is not enough to cool your northbridge, I think you may be too extreme for this planet. :D :p:
and in the right place if your on this forum:p:
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LardArse
you mean like this? :)
Yes, just like that! :yepp:
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when can we expect to see this to market shamino?
very cool work your tem has done with this design
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Originally Posted by
Jort
Littledevil used Rubber rings to seal his pots, maybe contact him Lardy ;)
really?? thanks, I'l ask him for his secret! :)
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Originally Posted by
strange|ife
when can we expect to see this to market shamino?
very cool work your tem has done with this design
probably a month or so
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Originally Posted by
EnJoY
You knew that was a joke, right? :confused:
wasnt that obvious from my post? :P
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
awesome!
yeah just throw in 5 o rings per board or so :D
im sure a ring will last at LEAST for 1 ln2 session, it probably only gets damaged when it cools down and then heats up again once or repeatedly
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i want a underwater mars!:welcome:
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LardArse
xD that's exactly waht I have explain to you in my last mail :rofl:
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Originally Posted by
LardArse
this is one of the best ideas ever! :up:
i hope you are able to give foxconn more ideas like that :up:
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hey sham, do some in depth reviews on some boards you've had some input to.
under stock air/volts
then extreme
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Sham can you make the new cooling available to be purchased apart?
What are the specs of that fan? i'd love to have a high RPM 120mm fan just for benching.
All looks really amazing
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Shamino, your ideas just keep getting better. What next? :)
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Originally Posted by
metro.cl
Sham can you make the new cooling available to be purchased apart?
What are the specs of that fan? i'd love to have a high RPM 120mm fan just for benching.
All looks really amazing
;)
http://www.ebmpapst.us/allpdfs/6400.PDF
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Very nice idea, Peter! :)
But even with the latest concept, there might be some problems. For a air cooler, the heatsink is really small, so I doubt it will be good enough to cool the NB passively. Adding a fan on the second design does not seem to be that easy either, unless you use the walls around the heatsink, which will result in trapping heat inside, whch would also suck.
For watercooling, it seems to be about right, in case the water doesnt have any contact with aluminium.
Now for dry ice and LN2 there is the problem of a cracking O-ring. Even with dry ice, it will most likely crack after some time, so being abl to buy replacements is a must :) Another problem I see for dry ice usage: If you want to cover the while base with aceton to maximize the cooling area, then that thing will most likely be not high enough for dry ice. Without some sort of funnel, it wil be a mess :)
I would also prefer to get rid of the heatpipes. That way it could be sold as a seperate NB cooler for different mainboards. I am pretty sure there would be enough people that are interested in something like that for extreme cooling.
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Very nice Sham. :toast:
Like the idea of MOSFET cooling and backplate best. Would like to have better liquid/DICE cooling for them when needed as on my P35/790FX boards it isn't the NB that heats up to burning immediately but the MOSFETs.
The idea's are nifty though and going a good way. There's always a start and this is what you get when you throw an experienced enthusiast at a big enthusiast company with $$$ to invest. All the years of needing tids and tads here and there which many of us need but groan about regular and could make things much better can now be put into reality. :up:
Also, I can't see mention of it but are these pipes fixed or can you remove them? They look fixed but that would mean they are only made for one sort of board design?
