AMD HD 3000 Series Confirmed: RV670 Gets A New Name

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10-17-2007, 03:57 PM
mascaras

AMD HD 3000 Series Confirmed: RV670 Gets A New Name

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ATI RV670 is Radeon HD 3800 Series

According to VR-Zone, the official name for AMD/ATI's RV670 will be Radeon HD 3000 series. Previously codenamed Radeon HD 2950 series, today one of the AIB partners - GeCube has even listed out Radeon HD 3800 on their website. AMD has also decided to drop PRO, XT, GT, XTX from their future HD 3000 series graphics cards. The last 2 digits of the model name will determine the performance of the card. For example RV670PRO will be known as Radeon HD 3850 while RV670XT will be known as Radeon HD 3870 when they are launched on November 15th.

Source: VR-Zone

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=42301

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10-17-2007, 04:44 PM
Zytek_Fan

DX10.1 war begins!
10-17-2007, 06:16 PM
perkam

So now the expectations...will the HD 3000 beat the 8800s or will it still be unable to do with the HD 2900 was supposed to do ;)

Perkam
10-17-2007, 06:19 PM
Sparky

I want a Phenom X4 and HD3870 for xmas please :D
10-17-2007, 06:22 PM
tbone8ty

when are these coming out? Q108?

damn this will be super confusing because of the 3 series they use for CPUs

debating wether to go with a 8800GT or the RV670?

i will be asking for xmas so most likely the 8800gt or gts if the ati dont come out in time.
10-17-2007, 06:24 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

I want a Phenom X4 and HD3870 for xmas please :D

http://www.weforum.org/fweblive/grou...age/001555.jpg

"Sorry, it's one or the other. NEXT"

:p

Perkam
10-17-2007, 06:40 PM
Zytek_Fan

Q1 08 would be perfect because they would be out before or around my birthday!
10-17-2007, 10:27 PM
zakelwe

Probably a good idea to give it a new name as it looks to provide very good performance, maybe at or slightly better than GTX levels, I repeat maybe again.

With the 55nm process it should be at the same price as the 2900 or less, unless they are going for margin.

nvidia are worried about this you can tell by the way the G92 specs keep changing as they um and ah about it :).

Should be some good stuff to buy for Christmas for those doing a Yuletide upgrade.

Regards

Andy
10-17-2007, 10:50 PM
alayashu

if this is true, probably the R670 will be their new midrange card (ie HD3600)
and the R680 (roughly twice as fast as R670) their new high end. But then
the R670 must be merely as fast as the 8800GTX/Ultra to respect the GFX
tradition where new highend = twice as fast as old highend.

interesting times ahead, and if this theory is true, we might see the revival of
GFX competition.
10-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Start

I think the number determining performance simplifies things A LOT. No more having to remember all of these stupid XT, XTX, XTX XXX, GT, GTO, GTO^2, Pro, Ultimate Pro, GTX, GS, GTS Ultra, OC, OC2, and Uber Edition etc.
10-17-2007, 11:14 PM
awdrifter

Q6600 and HD3850 is looking good for my next build. :)
10-18-2007, 12:04 AM
Yakyb

Quote:

Originally Posted by awdrifter

Q6600 and HD3850 is looking good for my next build. :)

dual 3850's for me on an x38 please

on a side note this looks good in terms of performance as it woud appear that this card is good enough to warrant a new naming schema.
however it could also be a marketing gimmick im going to hold out for benchmarks but im guessing ill be correct to think optimistically
10-18-2007, 12:27 AM
HungryForHertz

As optimistic as I'd like to be, I can remember the hype surrounding the 2xxx series. " It's gonna be faster than Jesus on meth" etc. and although priced much better It's performance overall doesn't match that of the 8800.

But I hope, I hope, that the 3xxx series gives ATi the lead again. It's good for us consumers for one thing.
10-18-2007, 12:59 AM
bakalu

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

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From Vr-zone
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi.../17/HD3800.gif

From Gecube
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee90/gpgpu/fake.jpg
Source : http://www.gecube.com/products-02.php?prod_cat_pid=213

Where are Radeon HD3800 series ?
10-18-2007, 01:17 AM
Borden

It was edited by GeCube.
10-18-2007, 01:32 AM
adamsleath

lol;
i dont care if they call it the dog turd 7000pro:yawn2:
it still isnt in the shops yet

big f turd 3870 oc :ROTF:
BFT HD 3870 OC :hammer: :flame: :moon:

hope for the best / plan for the worst..
10-18-2007, 02:07 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

Hmmmm decisions decisions......do you wait.....or do you buy 2?
10-18-2007, 02:20 AM
RPGWiZaRD

I still hope the launch date is around November 15-19th which previous rumors indicated about "2950". Else I'm not sure if I can resist picking up a 8800GT 512MB. :p:

The naming system was a smart move, after a failed launch it feels like it's best to start a new round and leave the past behind and focus on the future. :up:
10-18-2007, 05:10 AM
mascaras

Quote:

RV670 to get a name at 11th hour

IT SEEMS THAT AMD is just about to overtake Nvidia in the battle of higher numbers. Since Nvidia is so high on extending the life-line of 8800 brand with the G92_200 series being called 8800GT, AMD saw the golden opportunity.

With G92 supporting DirectX 10.0 and RV670 supporting DirectX 10.1 API, marketing war was set to be quite interesting. From one side, calling a mainstream part that can beat the high-end part 8800GT instead of 8900GT was a safe call for Nvidia, and riding the wave of brilliant success what 8800 is - but it seems that people like Pat, Captain Hook, Jon, and Ian are pulling things in a different direction.

The RV670 is more than a die-shrink of R600. It fixes a lot of inefficiency issues that ATI faced with a long-delayed child named R600, and now with 55nm process, there was enough room on the die to go large, both with precision of units, data formats, cache sizes and of course, API support.

Not a lot of people know that main target of RV670 is to establish CTM as a viable alternative to Nvidia's Tesla, thus GPGPU and professional 3D were very high on priority list. We already know that R600 variants in FireGL versions are demolishing Quadros (for the very first time in history of professional 3D, ATI has a real contender), so FireGL and FireStream guys are awaiting their RV670 chips with great expectations.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5...70boardhp6.jpg

Radeon HD3700/3800 gets ready for a launch...

So, what to do with a product that has a huge challenge instead? Not burn it with a brand name that is somewhat tamed, and that was Radeon HD 2900 series. 2950 was a stillborn from day one, and now the marketing team is deciding between Radeon HD 3600, 3700, 3800. Taiwan just got the nod about HD3000 series, and we're just about to see the new chapter in the whole Marchitecture wars.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9...70ornotpl1.jpg

Greet Radeon HD3000 PCIe series with its member HD3800... or is HD3800 another deliberately leaked name in order to get leaky suspects?

The name is not decided yet, and don't expect it to be announced to partners up till the point of printing retail boxes, which is still some time ahead (but not a whole lot time left).

The move to HD3000 has to leave enough room for upcoming Q1'08 monster called R680 and of course, the mega-daddy MCM chippey named R700. R680 will be branded as Radeon HD3800 or HD3900, thus leaving very little amount of marketing space for the R700.

Realistically speaking, only logic for AMD would be to brand the RV670 " Radeon HD 3700", since this would leave enough room for R680, R700 and of course, R(V)710 and R(V)730, the value variants (they would probably take the usual x400 and x600).

Unless of course, HD3000 series is the final "HDsomething" coming from AMD, with completely new branding that may or may not wait in the halls of Austin and Markham. Radeon 700HD just may not seem all that far fetched, just take a look at the world of AMD chipsets.

One thing is certain: when it comes to number of sudden turns and unexpected situations, Mexican soap operas might want to take a page from the AMD/ATI/Nvidia book. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir.../18/rv670-name

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10-18-2007, 06:11 AM
Papu

sounds like fun , i may have to part with my 2900 :(
10-18-2007, 06:42 AM
pRS317

Quote:

Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

I think the number determining performance simplifies things A LOT. No more having to remember all of these stupid XT, XTX, XTX XXX, GT, GTO, GTO^2, Pro, Ultimate Pro, GTX, GS, GTS Ultra, OC, OC2, and Uber Edition etc.

ditto that, they should then take it one step further and use the model year as instead of some random x thousand number.
10-18-2007, 06:50 AM
GMX

Quote:

Originally Posted by alayashu

if this is true, probably the R670 will be their new midrange card (ie HD3600)
and the R680 (roughly twice as fast as R670) their new high end. But then
the R670 must be merely as fast as the 8800GTX/Ultra to respect the GFX
tradition where new highend = twice as fast as old highend.

interesting times ahead, and if this theory is true, we might see the revival of
GFX competition.

F that tradition! I've always hated it and I bet everyone does. It's what makes Graphic card the worst thing ever a consumer can buy.

Then again, I guess its good for the 3dmark records
10-18-2007, 09:45 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMX

F that tradition! I've always hated it and I bet everyone does. It's what makes Graphic card the worst thing ever a consumer can buy.

Then again, I guess its good for the 3dmark records

Hated it? I love it... means once I buy another card, it's a lot faster :p: !
10-18-2007, 02:14 PM
Nuker_

I may see 2 reasons for this; 1. The HD2900 was a flop, DAAMIT thus wants to forget about that. 2. This card will have DirectX 10.1.
10-18-2007, 02:20 PM
bluep3ace

is this good enough to be considered the 3800?
10-18-2007, 02:28 PM
GMX

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Hated it? I love it... means once I buy another card, it's a lot faster :p: !

................

X800XT at release: $800

X1800 series not even out and you could a X800XT for $100

See what I mean?

X1800XT at release: Pretty sure 500-600+
X1900XT come out, X1800XT can get for only $150.

:banana::banana::banana::banana:ty market, :banana::banana::banana::banana:tiest things you can ever buy.

So you love it, and people running the show are sitting back laughing.

But then again. People like you are the ones who probably sell their old card on ebay when they pounce on just released new cards. So that's good for me. Keep buying,.:up:
10-18-2007, 02:32 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMX

................

X800XT at release: $800

X1800 series not even out and you could a X800XT for $100

See what I mean?

X1800XT at release: Pretty sure 500-600+
X1900XT come out, X1800XT can get for only $150.

:banana::banana::banana::banana:ty market, :banana::banana::banana::banana:tiest things you can ever buy.

So you love it, and people running the show are sitting back laughing.

But then again. People like you are the ones who probably sell their old card on ebay when they pounce on just released new cards. So that's good for me. Keep buying,.:up:

Not like you can't just lag one generation and get incredible hardware for very little if you want to ;)... no one's stopping ya. It's best for everyone... those with cash to blow get insane performance, those without it get great performance for cheap, everyone wins.
10-18-2007, 02:38 PM
RAW-Raptor22

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This Is Old Screenshot, taken yesterday:
10-18-2007, 02:40 PM
Papu

whats the name of your firefox theme?
10-18-2007, 02:41 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Not like you can't just lag one generation and get incredible hardware for very little if you want to ;)... no one's stopping ya. It's best for everyone... those with cash to blow get insane performance, those without it get great performance for cheap, everyone wins.

That's what I do. Buy the top card, and sit on that until performance is no longer satisfactory(usually 1 to 1-1/2 years with AA, then another 6 months without AA), then pass that card down to a friend and get whatever owns most at that time. Usually, every 2 years performance almost quadruples, and as such you really appreciate the difference in speed/iq, in comparison to buying every year.
10-18-2007, 02:42 PM
RAW-Raptor22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

whats the name of your firefox theme?

Vista-Black.... it upload it to you.
PM me your email or xfire (preferably xfire)...
10-18-2007, 02:45 PM
GMX

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Not like you can't just lag one generation and get incredible hardware for very little if you want to ;)... no one's stopping ya. It's best for everyone... those with cash to blow get insane performance, those without it get great performance for cheap, everyone wins.

matter is not cash. It's the extreme depreciation and lack of worth. It's no different buying a NEW car for 40k and then 1 to 1.5 years later it is 5k. Who does that? I don't really mind, since I'm the one that get it for 5k.

And I even said an example with X1900XT release. That's not 1 gen!

So keep buying, maybe you can accelerate more than now.:up:
10-18-2007, 02:52 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMX

matter is not cash. It's the extreme depreciation and lack of worth. It's no different buying a NEW car for 40k and then 1 to 1.5 years later it is 5k. Who does that? I don't really mind, since I'm the one that get it for 5k.

And I even said an example with X1900XT release. That's not 1 gen!

So keep buying, maybe you can accelerate more than now.:up:

That's exactly what I was saying you can do... be the person getting it for 5k, not 40k, it's the smart way to go unless you have extra money and want to burn it. Anyone buying a top-end card of the current-gen knows it's going to depreciate, and has the choice whether to wait or get last-gen for much less. It's not like the manufacturers are deceiving us into grabbing the expensive ones.
10-18-2007, 03:21 PM
S1mon-

If these turn out to be around 250-300$, I think lots of people will consider going crossfire with 2 of these...
10-18-2007, 03:38 PM
Zytek_Fan

They did say that they want CrossFire to be affordable citing $500 for 2 and $750 for 3...
10-18-2007, 03:41 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

They did say that they want CrossFire to be affordable citing $500 for 2 and $750 for 3...

hmm , but wont 3 cards mean 3 pcie power connectors?
10-18-2007, 03:43 PM
Zytek_Fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

hmm , but wont 3 cards mean 3 pcie power connectors?

Possibly...depending on how much watts you can feed to each card through the PCIe x16 slot. (it's PCIe 2.0)
10-18-2007, 07:01 PM
grimREEFER

that fact that its pcie 2.0 means i have to get a new mobo?
10-18-2007, 07:07 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimREEFER

that fact that its pcie 2.0 means i have to get a new mobo?

PCI-E 2.0 is as backwards compatible as HT3, however, should see performance improvements in PCI-E 2.0 motherboards.

Perkam
10-18-2007, 07:13 PM
RedBull78

Im a bit off here. Which one is going to be dual gpu?
10-18-2007, 07:15 PM
RedBull78

I just thought about how great it would be to own a 4gpu and 4cpu system. Pure ownage..:yepp:
10-19-2007, 09:05 AM
PrometheusCon

Quote:

Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

I think the number determining performance simplifies things A LOT. No more having to remember all of these stupid XT, XTX, XTX XXX, GT, GTO, GTO^2, Pro, Ultimate Pro, GTX, GS, GTS Ultra, OC, OC2, and Uber Edition etc.

Amen. I was always confused by the suffixes. I always figured though that the more Xs the better it was. :p:
10-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Zytek_Fan

http://media.bestofmicro.com/N/J/526...nal/02R680.jpg

http://media.bestofmicro.com/N/K/526...nal/03R680.jpg

http://media.bestofmicro.com/N/L/526...nal/04R680.jpg

Slides for R680 :D
10-19-2007, 11:37 PM
Yakyb

hang on those slides indicate q108 i thought we where talking mid november for this
10-20-2007, 12:02 AM
safan80

correction
http://www.weforum.org/fweblive/grou...age/001555.jpg

we can't offer what we don't have ;)
10-20-2007, 12:50 AM
Borden

1 Attachment(s)

RV670 XT GDDR4 512m(HD 3870)

http://www.chiphell.com/viewthread.p...extra=page%3D1
10-20-2007, 12:54 AM
ocmyface

wait, let me get this straight...

8800GTX still hasn't been trumped by ATI?
10-20-2007, 01:48 AM
w0mbat

@ocmyface: So what?
10-20-2007, 02:20 AM
fireice2

any initial benchmarks? :D
10-20-2007, 03:54 AM
STaRGaZeR

DAMN, I WANT IT!!! :drool:
10-20-2007, 04:44 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

PCI-E 2.0 is as backwards compatible as HT3, however, should see performance improvements in PCI-E 2.0 motherboards.

Perkam

I dont think so. The FSB/HT is the bottleneck long before. Maybe in some SLI/CF combos.