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Hi Guys,
I just came across this very nice looking new comer:
http://enzotechnology.com/images/sap...cpu_photo5.jpg
http://enzotechnology.com/images/sap...cpu_photo1.jpg
http://enzotechnology.com/images/sap...cpu_photo2.jpg
http://enzotechnology.com/images/sap...cpu_photo3.jpg
http://enzotechnology.com/images/sap...cpu_photo4.jpg
http://enzotechnology.com/sapphire_cpu.htm#
The base plate looks a bit too thick perhaps?
/Thomas
Enzo needs to change his name to 'copy'.
the internals of the base is awesome
Jedda , why ?
Reminds me of a Fuzion
Becouse its allmost a copy of the Fuzion block, EVEN the inside of it, looks almost identical and even the fins, they are just a tad longer...
But it LOOKS better than fuzion though ;)
outside looks a lot like d-tek, i imagine that's why jedda said that...Quote:
Originally Posted by SaFrOuT
and the internal looks real nice, more surface area, i think this block should perform very well on quads...
take an GTX + Fuzion... add some marvin gaye... and BAM! Enzotech!
:)
it looks just like a fuzion but the internals are different enough
the retention plate looks identical to the swifttech stealth
I have to admit though, Enzo comes out with quality products and judging by the pictures , everything is extremely high quality even the mounting screws
still looks like a more blingy fuzion block...
Very similar to Fuzion and GTX, but very sexy!!
looks lovely..
Check out their BMR-C1. It's a Swiftech look a like set of ram sinks they make also.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaFrOuT
Yeah but at least the BMR-C1 actually sticks :p:
it also has more pins btw, 5x5 while the swifties are 4x4
do not know in this particular case but many times things are better when re-made/copy from another manufacturer based on the original idea with some improvements.. we ll have to wait for numbers (performance)
That matrix milling is a masterpiece. It looks great. I do agree that it seems to be heavily inspired by the fuzion. And I don't like the thick base, I wonder if that'll affect cooling performance.
I'd also like to see the internals since the fuzion has a pretty clever mid chamber; I wonder what these guys came up with. Very nice overall.
Did you forget that bling attracts customers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinch
Pretty sure that wasnt milled and it was forged like all of enzotechs productsQuote:
Originally Posted by migueld
One thing I've always wondered.
Designing a water block and selling it as yours isn't the same as actually making a water block.
For instance, you see a lot of air coolers based on the Zalman design (such as the VF card coolers).
Do D-Tek actually make their water blocks? Or do they design and have them made by a capable third party with CNC machines etc?
We know Radiators are done like this and just rebranded. Masterkleer tubing is also the same which is why you get users who have clear Masterkleer and others have cloudy.
:up: , enzotech has a section on only why the use forging technology...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
wonder when petras is going to get it...:p:
That looks a bad bit restrictive, isnt it?
fuzion meets GTX.. i like the looks of it.. very shiny endeed:D
Yea they just mill the base to be pefectly flat. Machining those pins would cost prolly 100 dollars a piece. Where as forging is much easier and cheaper and produces better resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Enoc
I am pretty sure that D-Tek and Swiftech out source the work not that it makes a big difference. DangerDen does all their work in house on their own cnc machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
This is the block I've been waiting to see results on as it looks like it's going to be pretty decent, and I see at least one of my concerns has already been squashed (top material).:up: I really need to see the design of the mid plate though, I'm guessing by "more exit pathways" that they are smaller and evenly spread out?:shrug:
Well the reason I brought that up is that I'm sure I read Enzotech, or the people who also do Enzotech do work for Swiftech and D-Tek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
Yet I read Swiftech CEO Gabe mention that his staff sand belt the die off the GTX tops so wasn't entirely sure.
The similarities of the Enzotech VGA sinks and chipset sinks being similar to MX519 and MC14s makes me wonder. Not that it's a bad thing, more interesting to know and maybe the reason why such similar products exist.
You are right, yea I was beginning to wonder about the milling, it wouldn't be viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
This company has style, I like what I see so far, I hope they come up with more water cooling products.
maybe for some...not for me...I go for what works good...looks come second..:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vice
i doubt they do it in the same place...;) ,if that was the case...all the other products would be forged...or viceversa...:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
you can copy a design o make it a look a like...but the question is...does it perform?...until now...enzotech air cooling products are top notch and are at the top with thermalright...
and i guess if they did put the same effort in this product as the air cooling ones...we are seeing a excellent product then...
forged metal :slobber: i hope it performs better than fuzion and apogge gtx
MC14s are forged copper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoc
Take the 2 best blocks going and mix them together and get this!
Top looks plated, aluminum....
Petra has already stated it's plastic. Hmm, he seems to have deleted that post.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
i hope the base isn't polished. if it is, it'll signifigantly degrade the thermal conductivity of copper like other waterblocks that r polished. do u guys think that 2000 grit sand paper can get rid of the polish and make it perform better?
enzotech makes some amazing products
How does it degrade the thermals? As long as there isn't any residue there shouldn't be any problem with heat transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
I just wonder about the thickness of the base, hmm...
:shrug: Umm, can you explain this further? Makes absolutely no sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
Just ignore him :lol: everyone else knows that the better the finish on the base the better the heat transfer, and enzotech is well known for making VERY VERY high quality bases on all their products.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
well, it was just a thought from a uneducated 13 year old kid, cause i read somewhere where people lap their bases really flat and then use polish to make it shiny, tested it with no polish vs polished, and non polished base won, because it was flat and had no polish in bettween to impair the transfet of heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
Yeah when they use a polishing compound that can affect heat transfer. But companies usually don't use a polishing compound like that.
58x58mm hmm big enough for a 437W TEC hehe.
Hmmmm, I have their forged northbridge and southbridge heatsinks, both of which are top quality, so we can only hope this block lives up to the rest of their products.
Yeh its only the polishing compound that effects the heat transfer, you wont find any of that from any manufacturer. Here the forged copper is just milled to that high mirror finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
Baseplate seems quite thick to me... wonder how it performs, can it stand its ground against the FuZion and the Swiftech blocks?
Well i've formally submitted a review sample... not holding my breath as usual. I will get one though, this and the Thermalright will be tested.
i was aiming for a gtx for my quad...but i'll wait for a review of this :D , i just have a good feeling that is going to perform well...:)
I look forward to it Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Now, on the topic of this new block, it looks nice, but the flow path may be too simple. I think part of the reason the Fuzion succeeds is through the way it forces turbulence.
Also, I may be old fashioned in my logic now, but doesn't the base look like it will be too thick? I'm probably just recalling old Storm design philosophy that Cathar used to discuss, but it looks very thick.
Wonder if it'll come bowed or be able to be bowed for quads. Killer looks though, hopefully it's reasonably priced.
No idea how you would bow that 1/4" of solid copper.
I dunno if anyone posted this, but the base has the same pin layout as the fuzion GPU block.
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/revie...X/index2.shtml
Similar, but not quite the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
good looking block! hope it performs well
Asked to remove
I thought the fuzion was milled... hmm looking at the internals though, probably not
Looks good, should do very well.
Removed as a courtesy to jabtech.
Have to say I have mixed feelings about it, though.
See Nik .. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
The fuzion IS NOT MILLED. Promise.
With nikhsub1 on this one. The FuZion is absolutely not milled.
Fuzion looks forged to me.
While I agree that the base of the Enzo could be a bit thinner (enzo site says it's overall ht is 9mm:shocked: ), I have to wonder just how much it's going to affect performance because forged blocks transfer heat much more efficiently than milled blocks like the Apogee's.
If companies didnt take a product, respin it and improve it, we wouldnt have many good products at all.
This is the way industry works - people copy each other but subtly different.
Very rarely do we get that "leap" in technology that takes everyone to the next level.
I like the look of this block myself :)
Man, Thats a sexy block.
Sure it looks almost exactly like a Fuzion, But competition is always a good thing for the consumer.
Copy EK fitting, Copy Fuzion interior design, Copy Copy. Who care? all i care is performances...
...and it seems to not do that great. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
They've updated the page with a graph and some performance numbers. Looks like I keep looking:shakes:
Fuzion is a casting
:shocked: .......of all the stupid mother *#%$&#@, &@^#%*$# things to do, they had to do THAT? It's a miracle the blocks work as well as they do, being cast. Casting just leaves too much room for error on the density side of things. I've never seen a casting that didn't have some kind of small air bubbles still trapped inside it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM
I'm currently negotiating with enzotech to attempt to get one of these for a review. If I manage to get one i'll post an in depth review comparing this to the XSPC Xtreme waterblock another pin type design. Will hopefully see how well it performs.
Could you do a direct comparison with the fuzion? :)
from the graph that they posted...pressure drop is the same or a tad better then the fuzion...
but in thermal resistance(or performance) the fuzion is better...but the enzotech is better then the swiftech gtx...
if you compare graphs...but we want a review :D fuzion vs sapphire vs gtx...
If anyone in the U.K has a fuzion they'd lend me for a review then yes I could compare, otherwise no :D
You CAN NOT compare c/w from one test bench to another, you just can not do it so we don't know the performance. Enzotech has emailed me back telling me to email them my mailing address for a sample :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Enoc
I'm eagerly awaiting these results. More competitors=win.
:wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoc
thats excellent man :up: ive also put in the review sample request for my site, sometime in the fall, after the heatsink showdown is done in these upcoming weeks, im gona be looking into doing a more comprehensive guide on watercooling parts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
hehehe i'm not :p: , i'm waiting for your results :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
:bounce: when are you getting the enzos?Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
As usual Petra knows more than we do.... and isn't saying anything either! C'mon Petra, speak up! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
agree'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Alex what do you have hiding in your pocket? :rofl:
If thats the case, i think we need to catch him in a dark alley and run his pockets :eek: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
All you'll find is an empty wallet, some keys, a cell phone, a USB flash drive... and patience ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
and a few penryns and K10s I bet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
alex isnt a hardware whore like most of us on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by xlink
He is a infomation whore tho. :P :rofl:
Hence why he tends to relay very accurate info most of the time.
You lie. You must at least have your driver's license in there :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Seems surprising that it would be a lower pressure drop given the tighter pin matrix.
my thoughts exactly. The base looks nice and thick too, although swiftech have proved that may not be as important as we used to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverphoenix
Got my block yesterday. Packaging is VERY nice. Once I test it I will do a much more in depth review of it.
Surely you must take pictures before you use it!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Who got a hold of one of these and where?
These are only available to a few reviewers right now. We currently don't have an ETA from Enzotech.
Looking forward to it. Hopefully, your results will be better than that graph they put up on the site. Those numbers are very depressing. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
ROFL... look again. The BMR-C1 is NOT the same as the Swiftech MC14s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
Since you seem to be one sided here bashing enzotech at the water blocks and now the bga ramsinks without having the knowledge first of the products you speak of I feel I should enlighten you before you spread your false opinions presented as facts to anyone else;
Weight comparison of BMR-C1 vs MC14
7g is the actual weight of the BMR-C1 without the tape, with the "3M tape" it weights 8g.
BMR-C1 has the same surface area as the MC14, even though the BMR-C1 are 25 fins but it has the same surface area like the MC14.
Here's a calculation showing the surface area of the total surface area of the fins
MC14 0.8x0.8x3.14x16=32.15360
BMR-C1 0.64x0.64x3.14x25=32.15360
Thermal Conductivity Comparison of BMR-C1 vs MC14
The tape that comes with MC14 has a little bit higher thermal conductivity, but it also far less sticky than the "3M 8815" on the BMR-C1. Here are some reviews from user who purchased
MC14 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835108071.
Swiftech has rated the MC14 to handle up to 5 watts of generated heat per memory module, by so far all the VGA ram on the market does not even reach this high temperature.
Raminks do not have to dissipate high heat load as the CPU/GPU coolers must do, so in reality it is more like how well the ramsinks can stay on the ram than how much heat it can dissipate.
Appearance Comparison of BMR-C1 vs MC14
According to Mr. Chen at Enzotechnology in an email interview, the pin fin design on the MC14 or BMR-C1 were originally designed by the Enzotech engineers and designed and were manufactured in the same plant as Enzotech's products. BMR-C1 is actually the revised and improved version of the MC14, and we even take a further step to CNC all 4 sides of the ramsink to give it a cleaner look and by doing that of course that's some additional cost to manufacture our BMR-C1s not to mention this is 100% forged copper.
(See visual comparison below)
We have choose the 3M tape for our BMR-C1 due to its "sitckiness" there are some trade off on the thermal conductivity, but mean while it prevent the problem of falling off from the chips all the time as many users have reported with the included thermal tape with the MC14s.
With the following links you will be able to see the difference on the side of the MC14 and our BMR-C1 after the CNC results.
MC14
http://www.overclockers.co.nz/product/chip/MC14-B.gif
BMR-C1
http://www.enzotechnology.com/images/bmr-c1_photo1.jpg
So not only is the BMR-C1 a completely different product, it is also the improved successor if you will of the MC14.
haha see above. Personally I think enzotech gains from redesigning and improving other branded products on the market and its a great strategy as long as in the end they meet to the requirement of "all I care is performance..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
Dang was hoping NCIX would have them before anyone else...Quote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
Any further info regarding availability? In the process of a watercooling build, and this is probably the best possible candidate for CPU block as Apogee GTX is just too expensive with copper top while D-Tek block is just lacking the look.
email enzotechnology and ask them who will carry the blocksQuote:
Originally Posted by koei
Well Sept 7th is here and gone. Not sure whats going on with that company at all. I called them several times and emailed them because I'll be at a show and wanted to used there product as well but there going to miss the boat on this.
:shrug:
Well, here's what I got.
Quote:
Hi,
Currently it is still not available yet, we are still revising the the waterblock, we are expecting to release it around end of September in the USA. Please let us know where you at and we can let you know the release date in your area if you are not within the US.
Best regards,
Enzotech Staff
lets just wait til NIK finishes his review and see the results
Interesting that you received a response. As far as we are concerned, the lack of response to our emails even after calling them to indicate our correspondance is a sure indication of lack of professionalism and a big negative for us.
We won't be dealing with them.:down:
I am not testing what they sent... I was informed the block is being revised... so this one I won't bother with.Quote:
Originally Posted by lazy
it does remind me of the fuzion :D except a much shinier polished version
Who is "we" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
RetailerQuote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
What? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Not even of the record?
You must have super glued your hands to the chair not to have runned just a tiny little test :D ;)
/Thomas
Do you work for Malico, Hectic?Quote:
Originally Posted by hecktic