Multiplier issues

My cpu/board don't recognize any other multipliers than 15(wich is stock). This happened gradually, just a few times in the beginning, but now I can't use any other multies. (real annoying as there is no use benchmarking anymore with ramspeeds at 800's).

Anyone experiencing the same thing, and who's the sinner? I'm thinking the cpu, but it might as well be the board for all I know. Max volt the cpu have been running at is 1.65 for a few benchies (approx 1 hour alltogether), otherwise it's been running at "safe" volts under 1.6

tried a cmos clear?

Yes, I've tried "everything" but rebuilding my whole system from scratch...
Actually the multi is recognized at low speeds like below stock, but as soon as I start pushing it, my board reads it as x15 multi.. Therefore I'm thinking it should be possible to fix..

Anyone know where the multiplier lies, so that I know where to troubleshoot?

I upped the ref voltages for the ddr termination etc with + 50mv earlier, but I don't do that anymore, could that be it? Makes no sense...

Im having the same issue, try to change FSB and Multi's, FSB changes fine but multi's lock at 15x. Crosshair issue?

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I upped the ref voltages for the ddr termination etc with + 50mv earlier, but I don't do that anymore, could that be it? Makes no sense...

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I aint touched this so unsure if thats what could cause it.

Seems like it, I know of one other Crosshair owner who's got the same problem.

I've posted a question about it at the Asus motherboard forum, so hopefully I'll get an answer.

Nice. Ill keep an eye on that thread, hopefully itll shed some light.

In the mean time, Ill dig around on the vast knowledge base that is Google and see if its cropped up elsewhere!

A BIOS reflash may be in order. I haven't encountered such an issue on this GIGABYTE GA-MA69G-S3H.......yet.

Biosflash didn't help much I'm sorry to say. Neither did reinstalling XP (kinda my last straw of hope fixing it) Just hoping it's the cpu that causes it and not the board.. (Or maybe an excuse needed for buying a AM2+ board when it comes)

what about flashing a lower bios

Flashed from the 0502 bios to the 0702, same fault on both of them. Quite sure it's on the 0602 too. And, mind you, it happened gradually, first a couple of times, then more and more often, and only at high freq's. Makes me believe it is the cpu thats faulty. Maybe too much juice? 1,45v -1,55v and a couple of times over 1,6v. Board has a vdroop of .05v too.. Will have to run it at 3405@1,5v(1,45load) with crappy ramspeeds:(

I seem to have corrected this. Currently running 267x12. HT multis all at 5x, vcore at 1.44v ish. Nothing else been changed I think.

5-5-5-15:2T timinigs (wont boot at 1T), trc is 24, max async 8ns.

Hmm. Strange..
I'll have to play a little more with my ram, if it is my ramsettings that's causing it. Have you loosened up your trc setting from last time (when your multi were "locked")?
Maybe I'll have to eat my words to gOtVoltage...:)

Possibly changed trc from auto to 24 (after reading gOtvoltage post). I think it was the 1T to 2T change though. My RAM is 8500 and it wouldnt boot at 250x12 in 1T. Still doesnt.

Well I don't think they're (officially) supposed to work at 1t above 800MHz on AM2 rigs. My PC6400 boots at 850MHz 1T but unstable as heck unless I use too high voltages for my liking :)

that's an odd problem lix.

As noted in some other threads the only issue i've had with this board is higih RAM clocks, I've thrown all sorts of CPUs in and out and had no multi issues.

What happens when you use CBId to change multi on the fly?

does CnQ work?

Hm haven't tried cbid yet, will have to test it tonight. cool'n'quiet... aint using that :) Don't think x2 6000+ support it either as far as I remember. But I got an old X2 3800+ rev F2 maybe I'll check that one out again, don't think I had any problems with it. Then I can rule out the board in any case. It's oc abilities is another sad story though...

6000+ sure does support it, I've seen it first hand honking along @ 1ghz and 1v in vista on a machine :up:

I only remember because it was the first time I'd noticed vista's ability to CnQ all by itself after a fresh install ;)

I've found the board OC's well, it's just the RAM clocking issues, I just get it to play ball with the ballistix (no pun intended)

I havent tweaked my RAM settings much above stock, so cant really comment. Its defo stable with RAM running at 1068MHz.

Well well. After testing my memory a little yesterday. I'm sure it's not my memory oc thats causing the problem. Then it is the cpu itself or the board. Anyone dare to make an educated guess? I'm guessing the cpu..

Make sure that CoolnQuiet is off in the BIOS and all power settings in Windows are set to Always On.

Id guess it would be a CPU issue as well. Only difference we have is that I have 2gb RAM and you have 4. Worth dropping down to 2x1gb and using settings equiv to mine to test?

Cool'n'Quiet is disabled and power settings is on. There is no difference if I drop 2gb of ram. Weird problem... And F***ING annoying.

Running a mem divider when upping the FSB? And yes this problem is annoying heh.

I just had a thought..

Mine was showing similar symptoms.. i.e only some multi's would allow high RAM clocks, regardless of the fact the same divider may have been in use (it seemed) But seems you're having issues at any ram clock?

Not sure im getting your point mAJORD? The cpu/board don't recognize other multipliers than 15 when I start pushing the HTT. At low HTT speeds it recognizes every multiplier. The limit seems to be at around 235htt (Wich is about as far as it goes at multi*15) I'm running it at 227*15=3405MHz 1,5V, no problem, but when I run it at 284*12 or 310*11 (315*11 ran no prob earlier..) it reads as 310*15= 4650(wich it don't boot at for some strange reason ;)...)

Im confused. You say it ran at 315x11 no problem, but it doesnt work at a lower clock now on the same multi? What HT multiplier you using, 5x?

Ran it at 315*11 no problem, ht multi *3 and *4 no problem. Now it dosen't work at any multiplier other than 15 above stock speeds 3000Mhz. It makes no sense, I know.

Ahah, that does make sense now. My HT link is about 1300 odd. What confuses me even more is that I always lived by the rule that it was to be as close to 1000 as possible, pass on how it works now :<

Could be a CPU issue then. Maybe weak core or something and its gone with high voltage?

Probably... Don't think 1.65v is THAT much though (and that's with ,05 voltdroop).. Never had temps near 60 degrees celcius on it... Well well. As long as it is the cpu and not the board, it's (the cpu) just gonna be used until Phenom X4 comes along anyway.. but it's pretty annoying... No point benching anymore...

Shame :( Nice chips these. Just managed to get mine at 267x13. Might go for a higher FSB but other settings n RAM need a bit of tweaking (bottomed out in Windoze :o )

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Originally Posted by SWiTCH07

Possibly changed trc from auto to 24 (after reading gOtvoltage post). I think it was the 1T to 2T change though. My RAM is 8500 and it wouldnt boot at 250x12 in 1T. Still doesnt.

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13x266 with 667divider for now , the board also likes HTset @5x with the 6000+ , Ive found that it will glitch when trying to use HT3x or 4X with some multis..It will Add 1000mhz in my bios and then give memory error beeps ,its wierd bug i guess..Does it on 11xcpu memory divider/200 and 533divider and also with 14xcpu memory divider200,Hope it can bee fixed with a bios flash. I remember seen a post some where about another M2N32 that was doing simalar thing but with a 5600+@3.3ghz,cant find the post :shrug:

Ive been playing around with my ram again and have found that on M2n32DeluXe the TRC setting that work best so far are @TRC23,TRC24 and TRC18 for some wierd reason... But @ the stock TRC 21 for 4-4-4-12 it didnt like too run... My ram is 2gig Pc DDR2Patriot6400LLK Rated stock @ 5-5-5-15 2.2v 500Mhz...Im still looking @getting the TRC lower so will repost when i find some more settings that work....Its all trial and error.....Im using 1201 Bios for now seems the most stable...

I am still looking into bioses , i believe the mobo has problems trying to run 800Mhz ram and Over...Ive seen PcDDR2 5300 run more stable...The Patriot i use will do 1100Mhz+ with the same mobo but with my Single core Orleans @2.8ghz ,so i believe it has to do with how the Bios is writen for X2, i may be wrong on this but so far with the TRC it seems to help alot..Lets me use very tight timing when not using the default TRC that pops up in Cpu-Z:shakes:

Mine was giving me grief at 4x HT 13x267 at 1.6v. Died in windows several times :( Guess ill play around with it

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Originally Posted by LIKMARK

Not sure im getting your point mAJORD? The cpu/board don't recognize other multipliers than 15 when I start pushing the HTT. At low HTT speeds it recognizes every multiplier. The limit seems to be at around 235htt (Wich is about as far as it goes at multi*15) I'm running it at 227*15=3405MHz 1,5V, no problem, but when I run it at 284*12 or 310*11 (315*11 ran no prob earlier..) it reads as 310*15= 4650(wich it don't boot at for some strange reason ;)...)

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Wow you too,Friggen Bios issue that ASUS still hasnt fixed, I was hoping it would of been fixed for the release of 6400 with new bioses but nooooooooo.....

Note: I have a m2n32Deluxe doe the same thing with a 5600+ or 6000+, the conbination of divders and HTx widths causes it but Asus dosnt know why..i was getting pissed when i wanted to use 11xcpu with 533 or 200 it it would do that 4800ghz crap and give memory beeds.......Arg:shrug:

From what i know As_us is workn on it:rofl:

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Originally Posted by SWiTCH07

Mine was giving me grief at 4x HT 13x267 at 1.6v. Died in windows several times :( Guess ill play around with it

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Hey try 5xht and SBtoCPU 1.30v ....let me know what happens cuz i have no problem running up to and over 300fsb,My Ht will do 3000MHZ.. stable ..Matter of fact im @2660mhz HT right now waiting for another Radiator so i can get my Chip over 3.5ghzlol

Also check your temps too....1.58vcore gets me 3.48ghz @48load and 1.63 gets me to 3.55ghz @56load close to max temp your supose to run! ,,But i had broke a radiator so am keeping it @3.48 untill new one comes in.

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Hey try 5xht and SBtoCPU 1.30v ....let me know what happens cuz i have no problem running up to and over 300fsb,My Ht will do 3000MHZ.. stable ..Matter of fact im @2660mhz HT right now waiting for another Radiator so i can get my Chip over 3.5ghzlol

Also check your temps too....1.58vcore gets me 3.48ghz @48load and 1.63 gets me to 3.55ghz @56load close to max temp your supose to run! ,,But i had broke a radiator so am keeping it @3.48 untill new one comes in.

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My temps went well high at one point at 1.6V. Only running on Scythe Samurai atm, load temp went nearly 70deg at one point. Slight panic arose! I need to tweak some memory settings too I think re 300+ FSB. Probably set divider to 667 and itll be OK.

Well worked it out. All of a sudden the 800 memclok/divider don't work anymore, so no more 600mhz shots for me :( (but the multiplier works just fine).
It was a memory related problem after all.

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Originally Posted by LIKMARK

Well worked it out. All of a sudden the 800 memclok/divider don't work anymore, so no more 600mhz shots for me :( (but the multiplier works just fine).
It was a memory related problem after all.

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Sucky. At least you discovered the problem though. Unsure if thats whats causing my instability at 267x13. Mem is 1066 and im running 800 divider but its unstable even at 1.6V (5-5-5-15:2T, trc24 async 8ns).

Sigh!

Try it with the 667 divider and you'll see if it is the memory that is causing it.
My system is rock stable at 3405MHz, but not at 3450MHz anymore, so it could be your cpu that's holding you back, 267*13 is 3471MHz after all, that's quite high freq's on air.

I can boot to XP with it like that usually. System crashes on heavy load though, especially 3dMark. Ill drop the divider tonight and see if it makes a difference.

Guess im just used to having an opteron that did 50&#37; OC easily!

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Originally Posted by SWiTCH07

Guess im just used to having an opteron that did 50% OC easily!

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You've been spoiled :D

I can boot into Windows at 3525MHz no problem, but needless to say that is highly unstable :)

I loved my Opty 165. It wasnt even one of the better ones. 1.8ghz stock, easily did 2.7ghz at just above stock volts. Awesome!

Hopefully my RAM is causing grief at that divider. Ideally Id like to squeeze a wee bit more out of this chip.

Came from a Opty 165 too, but it maxed out at 2,6GHz with 1,55vcore naked, not too hot though.

Your Dominators should cope with a lot higher freq's..

Yeah I hope they can. Ive tried booting it in at 315x11 as well. Really need to tweak mem timings though. Got some rather interesting errors!

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Originally Posted by SWiTCH07

Yeah I hope they can. Ive tried booting it in at 315x11 as well. Really need to tweak mem timings though. Got some rather interesting errors!

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Ohhhh no i stay away from the Cpu 11 it will cause the Bios to Go berzerk and read the CPU @ 4800mhz ........ Its a ASUS crap thing....

i will only use 12, 13 , 14 ,15 CPUmultis or it causes havoc with 5600+ or higherCPU's...For some reason it will only do that above 3.2ghz!12x300 for 3.6Ghz is nice though but you need run,@ 533 with good memory to take advantage of it ..

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Originally Posted by SWiTCH07

Yeah I hope they can. Ive tried booting it in at 315x11 as well. Really need to tweak mem timings though. Got some rather interesting errors!

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If your really @1.44vcore youll need at least 1.53v-1.61v to be stable above 3.5ghz on air and watch those temps...

The 11 cpu multi sucks too....:yepp:

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

If your really @1.44vcore youll need at least 1.53v-1.61v to be stable above 3.5ghz on air and watch those temps...

The 11 cpu multi sucks too....:yepp:

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I bumped it upto 1.58-1.6v for those speeds (at 1.44 just now 267x12)

Really need to spend some more time and tweak memory settings for higher HT.

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Originally Posted by SWiTCH07

I bumped it upto 1.58-1.6v for those speeds (at 1.44 just now 267x12)

Really need to spend some more time and tweak memory settings for higher HT.

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Post some screenies then, systool, memset and cpuz

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Originally Posted by LIKMARK

Post some screenies then, systool, memset and cpuz

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These are nice boards but do require lots of tweaking with the X2's while going for high CPU/Memory MHZ...The onboard CPU/memory controler is more stable when cooled very well with decent Vcore. Phase or Chillled water just makes it easier i guess.:yepp:

I am using a good water setup myself ,unchilled. I have also ran the FBS High up 300+. If Asus could tweak the Bios a lil better for Memory/divider optimization it would help alot although the memory controler is on the CPU. Ive found you can Overclock higher with lower Memory/divider while using Higher MHZ, If you try using higher memory/divider like 9 instead of 6or 7 it seems to make things worse. The way the bios written it requires lots of Vcore to stabalize it when using a 9 or higher Memory controler divider...at least this is what i have found while OverClocking above 3.5ghz

NOTE: It almost seems there is a small wall to overcome with memory controler and some HT settings as it will result in wierd CPU settings like 4800mhz.... its just crazy.