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[First Look] Retail Box DFI UT LP P-35-T2R (56K Warning~~)
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Cool !!! I ordered one here in Switzerland !! I hope i got it in 1 or 2 Weeks .
Regards
SPLMANN
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:eek: :slobber: :eek2: AMAZING !
That board looks really good in green. Glad to see DFI going back to green after its flirtations with orange/red/yellow :D .
Thank you Andre for such a good job. Nice details in the pics :up:
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DDR3 version will follow shortly?
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how high can the vcore go with the add on special voltage
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That looks a widkid piece of kit!
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Originally Posted by
Yoxxy
DDR3 version will follow shortly?
yes, it still has DDR3 version.
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do you have price info?
btw, sweet chip you have! 600+ FSB on air!
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at least dfi didnt wait too long to jump into the game with p35
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This sounds really stupid, but please can you take a pic of the board in the dark with a UV light over it?
Hows the performance per clock, once ya start tweaking a bit?
Thanks for the pictures.
The voltage options are good :D
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and I've just bought a P5K Rremium :brick:
nice pictures Andre
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Originally Posted by
Yoxxy
DDR3 version will follow shortly?
P35-T2R = DDR2
P35-T3R = DDR3
:)
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Wow! I like the colour scheme, any idea of the retail price?
Thanks for putting time into testing Andre.
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is this board 16x X 4x in crossfire or 8x X 8x in crossfire?
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that board is a dream,thanks for sharing and nice pics :)
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WOW nice, now we need to take everyother mobo maker and show them how dfi is attaching the heatpipe solution (with screws) and teach them a lesson.
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Originally Posted by
MADMAX22
WOW nice, now we need to take everyother mobo maker and show them how dfi is attaching the heatpipe solution (with screws) and teach them a lesson.
Giga use screws for the NB/SB as well.
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:D I see a new mobo in my NEAR future:up:
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do you know how much it will cost?
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that suxx 610Mhz FSB on air :D
so, nice board to insulate :)
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Thanks for the heads up and lovely pics, Andre. Looks like a natural born killa!
:D
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Well i like most the vdrop controll. Can u show us the options in it?
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Omg 300 dollars for that?
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if it's around $300 i think i'll pass...
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This is so DFI's style. Very nice board, but too late to the game and too expensive. And it's not like it has been going full-bore on AMD's side, so they can't use that as an excuse for late offerings.
Might as well wait for X38 now.
Not because I don't want to, but at this rate it's not very likely I'll ever buy a DFI mb again.
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@AndreYang.......Is there anyone I can contact that you know that could give me some info on Raid Controller Card use and compatibility on PCI-E X4 signal speed and compatibility issues on the D.F.I P35?
Which one of the other PCI-E slots are able to scale to X4 signal the middle one or the top one?
Is it possible to contact Oskar Wu myself and have a chat about the posibilities and performance scalability using X4 signal on this board with my Raid Controller Card?
Thank you......Campbell:)
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Originally Posted by
Supertim0r
and I've just bought a P5K Rremium :brick:
nice pictures Andre
Me too. I ordered from Newegg so it should be relatively easy to replace it in case the DFI turns out better.
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Well, can you show whats the best @ 3.6 with that e6850 you can get?
And show us how does that heatpipe cooler mounts please.
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whats the second heatsink for?
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Originally Posted by
Monkeywoman
whats the second heatsink for?
good question:up:
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second hsf for hooking it up to the pwm area and it leads outside to cool it off. the hsf feeds off the airflow from the psu. (or in other places)
linky: http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-29...r-cooling.html
oh and a question about cpu clock... that's the cpu strap rite? if so, then wat was 610 fsb's strap?
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150$ mobo with 150 in un-needed heatpipes way to go dfi
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Where does this "NVIDIA Raid" written on the backside of the box come from?
The FSB450 with the QUAD looks a little low - is this really the max?
Thank you for the info.
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Aww, for that price I guess I'll have to skip it altho I'd really want it. I'd like to see a cheaper P35 board cuz I'm mainly interested in the tweakable DFI BIOS and onboard power/reset buttons are very handy too.
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Very nice board.. maybe my new one ;)
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:eek2: That's why I love DFI. The wait was worth it, that will be my next board :toast:
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Originally Posted by Lome;
150$ mobo with 150 in un-needed heatpipes way to go dfi
And just how do you get to it costing $150?
You want high end boards you have to pay RnD time, expensive PCB cost, Chipset cost, Caps cost etc and then Oskar tuning the board to get Andre able to do 600fsb air cooled
P35 ROG ships next week and I hear thats $300 also to start and has a ton of RnD time built into it, Foxconn MARS is a little cheaper I hear but again 250 or so with a ton of RnD time..
Looks like 300 may be the new cost of ubber clocking
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lets see some 24/7 550-600 fsb's :rolleyes:
wot else can justify the cost of this thang?
nyway; its got good features dual lan 3 pcie, etc.
lets see some uber results :)
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whats the big deal with 500fsb+? I keep asking and NO ONE can give me a straight answer.
The boards are fastest between 380 and 490 from my testing as down here the chipset is not neutered down to hold the FSB.
Im glad to see "performance level" in bios, Oskar said he would add it and has, now lets see the others open up their bios files and stop overclocking for us ;)
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Yeah if this thing costs 300 bucks i'm sad to say i won't be able to afford it. I may end up passing on my Q6600 'G0' as well since i already know it doesn't clock well on this board i'm using now anyway. Tough decisions for me to make here in the near future. Not sure what to do. Right now it looks like if i want to go quad i'm gonna need a new CPU/Mobo/PSU and if i'm looking at this board i'm looking at approx 700-800 bucks in computer hardware. Ugh!
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Originally Posted by
Tony
whats the big deal with 500fsb+? I keep asking and NO ONE can give me a straight answer.
The boards are fastest between 380 and 490 from my testing as down here the chipset is not neutered down to hold the FSB.
Im glad to see "performance level" in bios, Oskar said he would add it and has, now lets see the others open up their bios files and stop overclocking for us ;)
If that is the case, why do the motherboard companies keep pushing higher FSB? Why don't they focus on 380-490 while working on efficiency and price management? Is it just because people attribute performance with high FSB?
Just some questions for my understanding. You are a much wiser person than I. ;)
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Originally Posted by
Knight
If that is the case, why do the motherboard companies keep pushing higher FSB? Why don't they focus on 380-490 while working on efficiency and price management? Is it just because people attribute performance with high FSB?
Just some questions for my understanding. You are a much wiser person than I. ;)
Do you think you could handle the truth? :D
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Originally Posted by
bingo13
Do you think you could handle the truth? :D
LOL
Sugar coat it for me. :p:
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Originally Posted by
Tony
whats the big deal with 500fsb+? I keep asking and NO ONE can give me a straight answer.
The boards are fastest between 380 and 490 from my testing as down here the chipset is not neutered down to hold the FSB.
The big deal is for those that use only 7x multi CPUs. :p: At least it is for me... And my board does run faster at a 534FSB than it does at 490. ;) 534FSB is perfect to run a 1:1 mem ratio for 1067MHz RAM.
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$300 or not...I think this will be my next board. Don't think I'll be going SLI (1 G90 should do it I think) and I want to buy a mobo now...so this might be it.
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alright.. DFI uses screws on the NB and SB.. :D
Hey Andre can you post a picture of the DFI P35 LP backside?? thanks..
bingo.. have you test this board? any results yet?? :)
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Originally Posted by
bingo13
Do you think you could handle the truth? :D
ROFL gary hahah
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Priced at $369 Australian dollars for preorder at a couple of Aussie PC shops. Probably not as high as I expected.
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/....cgi?q=dfi+p35
I'm liking one of these with a G0 Q6600 coming in the next week or so :D
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Excellent pictures Andre, and nice results! :up:
I am very eager to see performance comparisons at the same cpu mhz between 600fsb and say 450-475fsb with tighter strap. :)
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Originally Posted by
Booj
Soo...about $314 for those American folks on here....ooowheee expensive.
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Originally Posted by
EternityZX9
Soo...about $314 for those American folks on here....ooowheee expensive.
It should be less than that because we have 10% sales tax in Australia.
Edit: one of those shops i linked to lists an ETA of 3rd August. I have emailed them. If they have them I will buy :D but I doubt it.
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detachable heatpipes :clap:
this is going to really benefit us watercoolers
damn nice results
and @Tony
good point about the R&D, most of us consumers never take that into consideration
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any results for max fsb on max volts said safe in intel spec sheets? like 1.26vtt or something along those lines and 1.375vmch?
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Nice, no legacy I/O, it's about time serial and com ports died. Also 600 fsb :eek:
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Remember when the SLI-DR were insanely expensive? Similar enough. Then we had the Ultra-D. Not everyone needs SLI/Crossfire. We need a cheaper mainstream board.
Edit: And it would be nice to have a mainstream board in the LP series and not Infinity. Furthermore, the Ultra-D was everything the SLI-DR was minus the SLI and RAID.
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Originally Posted by
dmo580
Furthermore, the Ultra-D was everything the SLI-DR was minus the SLI and RAID.
Um, it had SLI and raid. :D
I get your point, and agree...but I doubt we'll see a board like that again...It must cannibalize sales on the higher-end part...and we all know the ultra-d's setup pissed nvidia off.
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is cmos reloaded comes with this board?
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The fact is this, to get the chipsets clocking high latencies have to be relaxed, so you buy a cheap low multi CPU you think all you need is a board that does 600fsb to match everyone who has a higher multi CPU, fact is thats not the case.
You guys need to move past buying the cheapest and hoping to clock it up, it may get close but performance will always be sub par as latencies on the MCH etc are relaxed so you see more like Allendale performance from a Conroe.
Ofcourse DDR3 helps as it can do silly clocks, but for DDR2 you really are wasting your time over 500fsb UNLESS you stay 1:1 and tweak a ton of registers to dial speed back in, but overall its still not as fast as staying under 500fsb.
Same for 680i, same for 975, same for 965, same for P35....Infact 975 is fastest below 450 not 490.
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Originally Posted by dmo580;
Remember when the SLI-DR were insanely expensive? Similar enough. Then we had the Ultra-D. Not everyone needs SLI/Crossfire. We need a cheaper mainstream board.
Edit: And it would be nice to have a mainstream board in the LP series and not Infinity. Furthermore, the Ultra-D was everything the SLI-DR was minus the SLI and RAID.
you are asking to much of DFI, they have an Infinity based off a cheaper 4 layer PCB, whether it clocks as well who knows.
Overall most have no idea how much work goes into making a high end clocking board, especially one at DFI. RnD and final tune take a huge amount of time up, there may have been 4 maybe 5 PCB revisions also and numerous changes to VRM etc to get the board working how you all expect it to.
This is why the ROG boards from Asus are expensive also...RnD is not cheap
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@Tony: What means RnD?
What's about Vdrop on this Board?
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Whats the Transpipe thing for?!?
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The expected price in Portugal is 274,95€ so I think you american guy's are getting the board a bit expensive
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In gemany the pricing of the board is about 230 - 270 €, will be available hopefully next week
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nVidia RAID ?
So its a P35 mobo with nVidia south bridge and el-cheapo ICH9 ? So where is Intel soutbridge ICH9R then ?
Imo, Intel Raid > nVraid and the latest ICH9R capable of 6 drives raid. :D
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Originally Posted by
mibo
Where does this "NVIDIA Raid" written on the backside of the box come from?
The FSB450 with the QUAD looks a little low - is this really the max?
Thank you for the info.
What Mibo said. How well will this board handle a Quad - 450fsb does seem a little low.
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Originally Posted by
shimmishim
do you have price info?
btw, sweet chip you have! 600+ FSB on air!
I hear the price about 260~270 uSD, but I really don't know real price in the market.
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Originally Posted by
newls1
is this board 16x X 4x in crossfire or 8x X 8x in crossfire?
16X+4X+4X
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Originally Posted by
georgesod
Well i like most the vdrop controll. Can u show us the options in it?
BIOS has vdroop option. You can select on or off.
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Originally Posted by
Brother Esau
@AndreYang.......Is there anyone I can contact that you know that could give me some info on Raid Controller Card use and compatibility on PCI-E X4 signal speed and compatibility issues on the D.F.I P35?
Which one of the other PCI-E slots are able to scale to X4 signal the middle one or the top one?
Is it possible to contact Oskar Wu myself and have a chat about the posibilities and performance scalability using X4 signal on this board with my Raid Controller Card?
Thank you......Campbell:)
I already pm to you.
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Originally Posted by
Kain XS
Well, can you show whats the best @ 3.6 with that e6850 you can get?
And show us how does that heatpipe cooler mounts please.
Here is heatpiper install from DFI.
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/LP-P35/1.jpg
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/LP-P35/2.jpg
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/LP-P35/3.jpg
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/LP-P35/4.jpg
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Originally Posted by
Tony
whats the big deal with 500fsb+? I keep asking and NO ONE can give me a straight answer.
The boards are fastest between 380 and 490 from my testing as down here the chipset is not neutered down to hold the FSB.
Im glad to see "performance level" in bios, Oskar said he would add it and has, now lets see the others open up their bios files and stop overclocking for us ;)
You are right. Not of many people use FSB 500+ because you need high voltage on DDR2. This just prove DFI LP P35 retail performance still is stronger than other brand DDR2 P35.
Next, Oskar Wu will tweak performance on DDR2 memory control. You will receive new bios in few days.
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Originally Posted by
AndreYang
Next, Oskar Wu will tweak performance on DDR2memory control. You will receive new bios in few days.
for:
DFI 680i LT NF-680i LT SLI...?
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Man... I'm a huge DFI fan. Especially of their LP boards. But if X38 isn't that far away... oh man I just don't know.
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I really doubt X38 will be able to go so high like P35 goes. The two PCI-E lines 16x and the enhanced memory controller make it much more hot.
I'm expecting ~480Mhz FSB in average.
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Price seems good to me, particularly when compared to overhyped Asus boards. Its good to see DFI get it out with what is minimal delay but max R&D. When you consider how Asus release ROG and Giga release v1. v2. v3. boards its seems very cynical. Let the market bug shoot any issues and then release a new board with all issues resolved but a put a fancy name and a premium price.
Kudos to DFI :up:
Im a little uncertain about the heat pipe deal but I assume its there for a reason.
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I asked Oskar about PCI Express probelms and he said P35 only has 16X+4X+NC or 16X+1X+1X.
And BOX write NV Raid is not correct. 6XSATA are ICH9R and 2XSATA Raid are JMicron JMB363.
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Originally Posted by
Grinch
for:
DFI 680i LT NF-680i LT SLI...?
for DFI LP P35.
I also have 6/25 BIOS for 680i LT if you need.
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Originally Posted by
AndreYang
I asked Oskar about PCI Express probelms and he said P35 only has 16X+4X+NC or 16X+1X+1X.
And BOX write NV Raid is not correct. 6XSATA are ICH9R and 2XSATA Raid are JMicron JMB363.
Andre...what does 16x+4x+NC stand for? Primarily the NC portion!! Does that equate to NO CURRENT????
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Originally Posted by
doghouse
Price seems good to me, particularly when compared to overhyped Asus boards. Its good to see DFI get it out with what is minimal delay but max R&D. When you consider how Asus release ROG and Giga release v1. v2. v3. boards its seems very cynical. Let the market bug shoot any issues and then release a new board with all issues resolved but a put a fancy name and a premium price.
Kudos to DFI :up:
My thoughts exactly :up:
I really wonder about ppl saying the price is too high (any price is too high for some :rolleyes: ) for this board when Anus are charging MORE for their top end boards
I dont see many ppl spamming those threads (Anus) with OMG its just tooo expensive arrrgh what a rippoff ohhhh sell the 'kin kids and STFU :rolleyes: :ROTF:
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Originally Posted by
Brother Esau
Andre...what does 16x+4x+NC stand for? Primarily the NC portion!! Does that equate to NO CURRENT????
i'm assuming it mean No Connection or Not Connected. meaning the 3rd pci-e does nothing in that config.
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Originally Posted by
Diverge
i'm assuming it mean No Connection or Not Connected. meaning the 3rd pci-e does nothing in that config.
Correctado!
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the 3rd PCIe slot only for PHysX card IMHO
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Originally Posted by
alpha0ne
My thoughts exactly :up:
I really wonder about ppl saying the price is too high (any price is too high for some :rolleyes: ) for this board when Anus are charging MORE for their top end boards
I dont see many ppl spamming those threads (Anus) with OMG its just tooo expensive arrrgh what a rippoff ohhhh sell the 'kin kids and STFU :rolleyes: :ROTF:
when i think about it, that's very true. i don't think i ever complain about the asus boards and how expensive they are...
but i think the thing that keeps me from complaining is the availability of their other boards...
as much as many people hate asus, think about one of the more successful p965 boards... the P5B deluxe... how many people still use this board today and think about when it was released... just my 0.02.
despite the price tag, i'm sure the DFI P35 will be an amazing board.
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Originally Posted by
AndreYang
for DFI LP P35.
I also have 6/25 BIOS for 680i LT if you need.
what is different about it vs 521 bios?
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If DFI was selling as many boards as Asus, then the price would probably be lower. The volume on some of this high end stuff just isn't enough to make it cost any less, and like Tony said you more or less get what you pay for anyway.
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Cant find out when it`s getting released in the UK yet :/
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Originally Posted by
Tony
The fact is this, to get the chipsets clocking high latencies have to be relaxed, so you buy a cheap low multi CPU you think all you need is a board that does 600fsb to match everyone who has a higher multi CPU, fact is thats not the case.
You guys need to move past buying the cheapest and hoping to clock it up, it may get close but performance will always be sub par as latencies on the MCH etc are relaxed so you see more like Allendale performance from a Conroe.
Ofcourse DDR3 helps as it can do silly clocks, but for DDR2 you really are wasting your time over 500fsb UNLESS you stay 1:1 and tweak a ton of registers to dial speed back in, but overall its still not as fast as staying under 500fsb.
Same for 680i, same for 975, same for 965, same for P35....Infact 975 is fastest below 450 not 490.
Straps in a nutshell.
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very nice board :)
but i will wait for the x38 boards because i want to have two 16x PCIe lanes for my 2900xt Crossfire cards :)
feichti
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Wow. Looks nice!
Would you happen to know about this board's power consumption? Is it really high (in the ASUS P5K-Deluxe area) or moderate (20-40W lower than P5K-Dlx, in the Gigabyte/Abit P35 area)?
It's been a couple of days, when can we buy? :P
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The market has a funny way of adjusting itself.....e.g. PS3....(go figure that :rolleyes: )
The DFI looks great but will it really provide leaps better performance than, say, a $120 ABit IP35?
I would rather do an IP35 + 8800 GTX = $600 than T2R + 8800 GTS 320 = $560....but that's just me........
What would the real world performance differences be?
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Originally Posted by
Spanki
Hmm the 25th. After reading some of these threads I had the impression it was due in a week or two.
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lol price ;)
i told you it will be expensive :)
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Originally Posted by
Peakr
Hmm the 25th. After reading some of these threads I had the impression it was due in a week or two.
i checked that link and it says 10 available. i chose checkout and the number dropped to 9. it seems they have a few in stock? i have to spend a little money this weekend or i would go ahead and buy it.
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loooks like motherboardpro also has the infinity for pre-order due out the 15th of this month
http://www.motherboardpro.com/store/...&cat=84&page=1
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I want this... waaaa... I just bought a motherboard last week.. :(
300 usd is just right for this caliber board.. :)
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end of august eta is what kills it for me.
