Hi everybody!
Just thought I'd drop a link to my ongoing review of the IFX-14:
And here it is.
Stay tuned, should have my first numbers posted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../Readytogo.jpg
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Hi everybody!
Just thought I'd drop a link to my ongoing review of the IFX-14:
And here it is.
Stay tuned, should have my first numbers posted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../Readytogo.jpg
staying tuned :up:
thx for sharing
whoa how much cfm do those two massive fans push?
watching this one too......
~221CFM each, so does that smaller fan in the middle actually (if it's the highest speed one, can't tell from the pic).Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedaname
Can't wait Navig....but be sure to post up some results here too ;)
Delta 120x76.
Middle one (hah the "small one") is a 1212VHE.
Here are the results with the 14cm YL. I still can't get over how quiet the system is with these 14cm YLs. I've got it folding, and I actually check it every now and then to see if its running.
Here is a table of the Coretemp loads vs the fan configuration:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nfigchart1.jpg
Blue rectangles represent one of the heatsink towers (2 main towers and the backside cooler) and black bars represent the fan location.
Temps are the average of all logged temps by Coretemp 0.94 from minute 3 to minute 4 of Stress Prime small FTTs load on my e6600 9x400, 1.4275v.
navig you have to put all that delta on each side and have another delta in the middle.
Very nice Navig, very curious to see your findings -vs-
Cool, I like how you show the different configs....interesting results too (the single fan config they have in the manual is the worst, lol).
What does your board say for fan RPM on those YLs? I have one here and it's performing identically to the D14SL-12 in CFM, dB, and RPM (says D14SM-12)....I think you may have three of those (they're quiet, unlike the SM).
EDIT: and I guess I got lucky....I started using positions 2 and 4 right off the bat. :p:
Unfrickinbelievable. That fan setup is just...
Congratz on CPU Magazine.
Props to using a Nausicaa picture to test you lapping lol.
I think this image was the most extreme. I seriously wonder what are the temps with all those 3 on.
waiting for more results
thanks for sharing
Nice review nice cooler thanks Navig;)
Okay more summary tables!
Here are the numbers from single 120mm fan testing. The fans were all tested in the middle position between the heatsink towers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...efanfigure.jpg
They do more or less scale with more powerful fans. I think this is a consequence of the very high density of fins. Over all, I think its a good concept--it allows the end user to select his or her own noise-performance ratio.
Here are the numbers from several multiple fan setups:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ifanfigure.jpg
And yes, the "Delta Extreme" is what ya'll asked for:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...X14extreme.jpg
Ran a second powersupply just to power all dem fans!
Again, more fan power = more performance.
My recommend for fan selection in order of priority:
1) Multiple fan setup
2) As loud as a fan as you can tolerate
Sorry if I'm blind but how the did you hook up the 3 delta fans onto the IFX-14? Or is it not directly attach to the IFX-14?
Double stick tape. Actually the fan boxes sit just fine on my RAM and the PWM cooler--the double stick tape holds it closely to the fins.
I really don't care for Thermalrights insistance of using fan clips--they are pain to keep switching out all these fan configurations. When I settle on a particular fan configuration, I'll actually probably build or drill some hardmounts with aluminum brackets.
Navig, do you think it is possible to run that solution in a 24/7 environment?
That is "donk"
If you don't have ears....just running one of those fans makes me want to scream, 2 and the VHE would make me be institutionalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by aznsniper911
Good to see it scale like that though :p:
Nice work Navig :toast:
24/7? If you mean the noise, frankly no! If you check back at the originaly thread, I'm running a uguru controlled Panaflo M1 + medium/low speed 120x25mm fan, and that's about the highest tolerance of noise I'll accept.
If you mean as a proper way to secure a fan. Maybe. Good doublestick tape is wicked strong, as long as you don't keep moving it. Again, tho, once I figure what I like, I'll probably try the fan clips or devise a hard mount like I did for my Ultra 120x.
Yes as a proper way to secure the fan. Reason being, if I get it my way, noise wouldn't matter and I can hopefully use your idea and have it cooling my Xeon 3060 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
nice results, waiting for the compare to ultra 120ex
if i will buy this heatsink i will use 2 YL on each side @12v and a delta 120x38 in the middle @ 7v
Here are the numbers from the backside cooler:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...idefigure2.jpg
Testing was done with a single Panaflo M1 in the middle, and with or without a generic $2 compusa-closing 80x25: 26 cfm, 2500 rpms, 28.5 dB.
The biggest separation in temps (0.9c) is barely in the range of what I would consider measurable with my methods (+/- 0.5c just my sense). I think this was a little disappointing because I can feel the heatpipes getting a little warm. But similar to what other reviews have found.
so in other words, it is useless
Stock vs. Lapped
After just 30 strokes of 220, the nickel is almost gone, leaving a concave pattern:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...14/Pattern.jpg
All pretty lapped up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...p2000alone.jpg
And load temps:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...peddiagram.jpg
Overall, I'd say the effects of lapping are minimal. Its not so surprising as the original base was very good, and the nickel microscopic in thickness.
well...maybe lapping the IFX-14 does not make much difference but it did for my Quad core mounted with an Ultra-X...i could not prime 95 all 4 cores, couldn't even do it with 3 cores at 3600 Mhz until i lapped the Ultra-X (did not lap the IHS).Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
the noise level of all 3 fans roaring must have been horrendous..what kind of sound suppressor headset did you use?!...was it like the one used by technicians to suppress sound around a jet engine in a test stand at full throttle!:p:...i can not imagine most users having 2 or 3 fans running at fairly high RPM...now..if you installed an 100 AMP:D fan controller, then you could reduce the sound when in idle, right!;)
When I looked at this with the Ultra120X I did seem to get a more clear improvement. Of course, this is really only 1/2 of the equation. Obviously the ihs of the cpu plays an important role. I did not use the same cpu as the one in the Ultra120X review--on account of the likelihood of poor contact between the core and the ihs on my e4300.
Anyway, stage is set for the shootout between the 2. I'll probably get on it on Saturday.
i think you are overlooking a hidden value that goes beyond just 1.7C temperature reduction benefit for lapping heatsinks....by lapping the heatsink, you almost totally eliminate valleys, gouges and groves in the bottom of a heatsink...it means you will need less thermal paste to interface between the IHS and the bottom of the heatsink...it also means faster heat transfer from the cpu IHS to the heatpipe system...the faster you remove heat from the cpu cores the longer it operates without overheating....it is why most people have orthos or prime 95 failures...they can't extract the heat as quickly because of the imperfections in the heatsink bottom and the additional thermal paste that is needed to fill those imperfections....the thicker the TIM, the longer it is going to take the heat to transfer through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
That's an interesting thought, unfortunately one that I wouldn't say I'm familiar with. I think its really difficult to get a duo core to fail orthos purely from a heat perspective. Probably not so difficult with a quad--which I haven't got.
Having lapped dozens of heatsinks, there's no question that the TIM physically interacts a little differently with a lapped surface--you can feel it every time you pull the heatsink off, and in the TIM squash patterns.
navig
i like your graphs
very simple :up:
Doesn't seem to be better then Tuniq Tower!
maybe you could backup your notion ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
Im quite sure it is
I would like to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu
I dont use the Tuniq anymore, but this are my results:
E6400 L25A 3600mhz 1,47V.
These are temps after few hours of Orthos.
Tuniq Tower
between 68C and 70C depending on temproom.
Watercooling, 600ltr pump, apogeeGT, dualrad
59C max on high roomtemp. (28C)
57C with normaal roomtemp (22C)
Temps @ 3500mhz 1,42V
Tuniq Tower
between 64C and 68C depending on roomtemp.
Watercooling, 600ltr pump, apogeeGT, dualrad
52C max with normal roomtemp.
I always tought my Tuniq temps where to high, but when i see Navig his review on the IFX-14 i see the IFX-14 isn't that powerfull either.
Do not buy this heatsink, just go water :p:
lol, my air cooling temps match or moght even be better than your watercooling temps(65c at 1.53vcore, 3.6ghz), and im sure the ultra 120 extreme could beat my cpu cooler. Water Cooling is overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
i don't see how you can support your claim!..."ownage's" water cooling temps beat your temp by at least 6-8C at the same Mhz.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by enz660
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Originally Posted by ownage
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Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu
i offered up my Tuniq to "Vapor" to test but he has not responded...i guess he's finished with testing any further...
BUT...i will offer the Tuniq to "Navig"...even pay for the roundtrip postage as long as he lives in the USA, maybe canada if it is not to expensive.
AFAIK, Navig alreayd have it and many more
we are waiting for his results comparing this IFX-14 to the other heatsinks specially the Ultra-120X
ok...very good:)
watercooling ins't overrated. My conroe gets really hot. And i have much better temps with watercooling then i had with my Tuniq tower. I also dont have the Uber Elite watercooling, because its really expensive in Holland/Germany. I think my temps aren't to bad with only a 600litre pump.Quote:
Originally Posted by enz660
One CPU gets hotter then another, so its best to test with the same CPU. It would be great if Naviq could compare the tuniq with the IFX-14.
Yeah...my nickel is already wearing away around where the IHS edge contacts on my IFX-14 (I can CLEARLY see copper) after just 3 mounts (well, 5 now...but I could easily see it after just 3, but it was probably there earlier). No doubt it's a very, very thin plating and doesn't impede contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
Base curvature is still a minor issue....probably where your gain is coming from.
My well, i shoulda added an "imo" at the end of that, but basically, my claim is that you paid more for something that cools worse than a nice heatsink. Waste of Money IMO!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
cmon enz660, you are just a little edgy:p: because you are so protective of your almighty air heatsink...i would GO water but i am a lazy arse and don't want to take a chance of wetting my board!;)
I've already looked at how the Tuniq compares to the Ultra 120 X here. Pretty solidly beaten by a few degrees. I'm not really that interested in re-duplicating data.
My setup is probably going to be:
IFX14 no backside cooler vs. TRU120X
Single fan comparison:
YL 12cm
YL 14cm
Delta25
Panaflo M1
San Ace
Delta38
Duo fan comparison:
YL 12cm
Delta25
Panaflo M1
Sance Ace
Best mod comparison:
IFX14: Delta25-Panaflo M1-Panaflo M1 + backside cooler with 80mm fan
TRU120X: Panaflo M1 - Panaflo M1
navig
when that back plate thing mount how dose that fit into cases dose it come up agents the edge or is there plenty of room
Ultra 120x + backside cooler :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
Too small of a gain to run on any HSF, IMO....but some cases may be very accommodating and you might as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by enz660
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Originally Posted by Navig
nice job on that review over in Abit's forum...
Alright, Part 3, Heatsink Comparison is completed at the main thread.
Here are the summary tables:
Thermalright IFX-14 vs Ultra 120X, Single Fan Configurations
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...singlefans.jpg
Notes: all testing for the IFX-14 was done with the fan in the middle position (between sink towers)
and for the Ultra120X in the Pull configuration (Pulling air thru the tower sink).
Flames indicate where the cpu failed due to overheating. 75c probably doesn’t represent an accurate temp, as the cpu automatically terminated its load.
Well, with a low speed fan, the Ultra120X actually failed. Its not so surprising as the heatsink tower has fins that are very dense, as well as large in surface area. The IFX-14 appears to have the same density, but breaks the surface area into 2 towers.
However, once you get some fans with some oomph, the 2 heatsinks performed virtually identically. Maybe the slightest edge to the Ultra120X with 38mm thick fans.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...emultifans.jpg
Notes: Best Mod mode for the Ultra120X was Push-Pull Panaflo M1's. Best Mod mode for the IFX-14 was Delta25 - Panaflo M1 - Panaflo M1 + 80mm fan on the backside cooler.
With 2 fans, the Ultra120X gains a small edge.
However, in the best mod mode, you can strap 4 fans to the IFX-14! The 2 best mod configurations are pretty equal in sound, but the IFX-14 gains a 1.3c advantage. The ability to use more fans increases its performance, with minimal addition to noise.
IFX-14 vs Ultra120X comments
Well, I think its much more complicated than saying one heatsink is better than another. They always performed within 1-2c of each other. As of the writing of this article, the IFX-14 is some $30 more than the Ultra 120X. If you are looking for that extra money to translate directly into higher performance, you will be disappointed.
What DO you get for that extra money.
1) A much better mounting mechanism.
2) Significantly better performance if you are looking at using only ONE low speed fan, and generally better performance for low noise solutions (for example 3 yate loons is quiet yet performs quite well).
3) Native support for multiple fan configurations (Recall the Ultra 120 requires modding to support a second fan).
There may be other differences, which I haven’t specifically pointed out. For example, with my IP-35, the IFX-14 consistently beat out the Ultra120X in PWM temps.
On the downside (besides the price), the IFX-14 is enormous, which may interfere with large gpu coolers, nb coolers, or active RAM cooling.
thanks for the effort and results
i think i gonna buy the ultra since mounting it on my dfi will be easier , cause mounting he ifx-14 on my dfi will make it very close to the vga card that i won't be able to install a fan on its side
Ultra-120X with 2 YL will be my best option i think
interesting results compared to Vipor's results...i would say significant difference...he showed the Ultra-X to be ahead in almost every category...so....i have to interpolate your results with mixed feelings as to whether the IFX-14 is worth the expenditure to get equal or slightly less performance than the Ultra-X if you use the right fan(s) with IFX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
another interesting statement; you said, you got lower PWM temps using the IFX...
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my questions to you:
"how did you mount the IFX and Ultra-X"?
did you use the secondary cooler which is mounted beneath the mobo?
were the heatsinks facing to the rear of the case (i presume all testing was actually done on a bench, outside of a case)?...OR...were they mounted in the direction of south-to-north direction as the board would stand in the case, in a vertical position?
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if you mounted the secondary IFX cooler that would explain lower temps for the PWM...the sensor is adjacent to the cpu socket on the side that would face the PSU when installed in the case....you can put a 40 or 60 mm fan right there pointing at the cpu socket and influence the PWM temperature reading.
here is my final thought...the IFX is a massive cooler...but..."NO" cooler will operate at full stress load (especially the quad cores unless they are the newer "G0" steppings) inside of the case with the side door closed and you are running a high overclock.
i have a case that has two rear 120 mm fans mounted to exhaust...they are running at 2.5 RPM (silverstone) in the exhaust position (besides the 120mm in the PSU)...they cannot keep up with extraction of the super-heated air coming off from my Ultra-X with the side door closed when running Prime 95...as soon as i take the side door off...no problem....SO...it will not matter how many fans you mount on the IFX...heat is heat!...trapped inside, it will be a hinderance for a full stress load...it is why water works so much nicer than air heat exchangers!;)
EDIT:..forgot to add that you can mount two 120 MM fans on the Ultra-X by just purchasing an extra set of clips from thermalright...they can be hooked into the fins just one notch below the normal hook up for one fan.
Have you a link where such a clips can be purchased?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Hi, Navig.
You have gone to extraordinary lengths to test and publish your findings, and we all appreciate it tremendously.
I think the IFX is cooling less well than expected due to hot air from the first 'bank' flowing through the second.
Since you have such a great deal of reliable data, would you be willing to try one more fan mount on the IFX?
That would be to mount two fans, each one pulling cold air from the open center fan position. If I understand correctly, your are running caseless, so you won't be faced with hot case air feeding into the IFX.
I bet you get another 2-3 degrees with this layout!
Thanks very much for all your dedication and work!!!
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
i just looked again at thermalright's website and they show the 120 clips for the "XP" series...you might want to email them and maybe they will sell you the Ultra 120 clips...i did that a while back about the K8 back plate was listed but no price affixed....they sent it to me without even asking for payment...i mailed them a check anyway to cover the cost and postage....they are a great company.Quote:
Originally Posted by happ
here is what they show for 120 mm clips:
Ace-the lower pwm temps are obviously explained. If you hit up my oiriginal thread, there is much more information--I only summarize the results here. All testing was done with the IFX-14 mounted so that exhaust would be over the i/o port, airflow parallel to the video card. That's the only way to support 38mm thick fans on the intake side of the heatsink. If you put fans in the intake position, or in the middle position, the fans hang below the heatsink and generate a flow of air under the heatsink, that runs over the pwm coolers. On the Ultra120X, this flow exists, but is minimize because the fans naturally sit much higher (because of the clips and the mounting mechanism), causing there to be airflow above the heatsink instead of below.
I don't own any standard cases, so I can't really test that. These parts are destined for this case here, so we'll see how temps turn out. Testing this heatsink was a bit of time coming, but a) I work a full time job b) my modding earns me money whereas this sort of thing is done purely as a service.
Lad-I'll try it, but I doubt it. The air temp in one pass thru a heatsink is only minimally changed. If I reach over and feel my exhaust, it is only a tiny bit higher than ambient. A lot of people feel their case exhaust and it is very warm, but remember, I'm working with an open bench. Most case exhausts are warm because they are recirculating air in the case because of inadequate exhust. See Ace's post above. On the other hand, air pressure is a huge factor, and aiming 2 fans at each other cause a big effect in reduced airflow. I suppose I could bend the heatsink towers at an angle, but then the fans would no longer fit.
Thermalright's a great company, I think my first Thermalright was an sp-94. Like the Ultra 120X and the IFX-14, I picked up an XP-120 the day it was released.
Comparing aircooling to watercooling is useless. If you look at my case mod link above, its obviously set up for watercooling, but I got stalled out trying to put together watercooling parts--have to modify my pump, one block got lost in the mail, used radiator's rusted. I still have plans on making this case watercooled--thinking about running clear pvc hard lines!
MAN...what a case!...that thing looks like my stereo console!:D
Yes, I have seen it, but I am not sure will it fit to TRUE 120. And I don't think they are going to send me right clips all over to Croatia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Thank you anyway.
yeah, i think thermalright does not ship internationally...someone from cairo was trying to get a K8 metal back plate from them and he had indicated that they won't ship it to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by happ
Alright, Lad this is for you:
Panaflo M1 x2, mounted like so:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...gram6small.jpg
Both fans blowing in the same direction.
Idle:
Uguru: cpu 41 / sys 30 / pwm 44
Coretemp: 42.0
Load
Uguru: cpu 57 / sys 30 / pwm 56
Coretemp: 64.1
Now the same configuration, but both fans pushing air inwards:
Idle:
Uguru: cpu 41 / sys 30 / pwm 43
Coretemp: 43.5
Load
Uguru: cpu 58 / sys 30 / pwm 53
Coretemp: 66.0
navig
Navig: Its exactly the same fans that you had at the Panflo Multiple fan test up above? if so, then the temprature 64.1c is much better at load than the u120x right? Cus at the other 2xpanflo test you did above the ifx-14 had 67.9c and the u120x had 67c.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
Also on all the other multiple fan tests (except this last one), how did you mount the fans? side blow, and middle position?
thanks for testing all for us :)
i do now;)...just got it and they ship internationally!Quote:
Originally Posted by happ
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=154104
Everything is well explained in the original thread, in regards to setups etc. The reason the temps are so much better is because the ambient temps today are >10 F lower than when I did the rest of the testing. Underscores some critical elements--when talking about the top tier of heatsinks, were are talking differences of 3-5c under controlled circumstances. Other factors like ambient temps, case air flow can easily overwhelm these differences.
navig
ps. I live in Boston--no AC. Day before yesterday during the main testing it was a sweltering 90f (32c). I typically do my testing all thru the afternoon, or all thru the middle of the night, to have consistent ambient temps. This afternoon, its only 80f (27c).
No need to bend your HSF any more, Navig! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Navig
You raise a good point about case temps. I just measured mine...
Idle core: 37c, 35c
Ambient: 77f
At intake to lead IFX fan: 78f
At exhaust from IFX fan: 83
Orthos core: 65c, 65c
Ambient: 77f
IFX intake: 78f
IFX out: 90c
So at ~800 rpm / 7 volts, I gained 12f thru both towers.
I'm tempted to throw my 'ventilated' side panel on, an do two exhausts on the IFX, and put one Panaflo exhaust in my 5.25" bay... But I know I wouldn't want to leave it that way, as the fan noise from my video card and PS and HS would annoy me too much.
I *did* try a cardboard divider in the center slot, to guide hot air from the front half of the IFX into my PS, but that impeded airflow too much to work.
Hey people, sorry to be a lil off topic but I just gotta know.....
Has anyone fitted this heat-sink to a Gigabyte P35-DQ6 (rev 1)?
This motherboard uses an overly elaborate NB and Mosfet heat-sink.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/110...ere/index.html
I'm concerned that I may not be able to use it with the IFX-14! :-(
There's a newer revision with a more streamline heat-sink but I already bought my P35-DQ6 6wks ago*
Cheers,
jed
*haven't unpacked it yet, but I just know I'm going to have probs if I try to bring it back
Woooooooot nice review.
Couldn't wait to see the results on those delta's :D:D:D
Sorry, Jalyst, I just don't know. If I had to guess, tho, it probably would. The heatsink fins sit pretty hi.
I will note here, that I most definitely got better temperatures with pressure mounting, when the motherboard is in a vertical position.
This is one of my current systems, with the same e6600 as tested:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nsoleinuse.jpg
As you can see I have easy access to the motherboard. Well, I noticed temps were okay, but maybe a shade higher than they ought. Having never tested the IFX-14 is anything but a test bench, I thought maybe there is something to this pressure testing. So I opened the doors and simply pushed on the heatsink towers, towards the top. Pow! Instant drop 2-3c off load (smp folding). Let go, it jumps right back up.
So I brought it all out, and added 2 levels of doublestick foam tape between the hold-down plate and the heatsink base. And now temps were 2-3c lower, with no difference if I press.
navig
Is that a fish tank??!?!
by far the finest custom case i have ever seen :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Navig
Thanks Navig, think I'll bring my mobo into the retailer and check 1st!
So, from a pure 'cooling performance' perspective (noise it not an issue)...
Which heatsink do you honestly feel is best?
I've read through the entire thread (along with vapors) & you both seem to have slightly conflicting opinions.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=152773&page=7
Vapor feels for raw cooling performance (noise not a factor) 120x is better.
Unless you're getting high into OC'ing territory & only then may the IFX-14 start to get a slight edge. Whereas you feel that because of the 4-fan mod, the IFX-14 is a better high TDP cooler.
So I'm no wiser and even more confused?!!? :-)
Cheers,
jed
*bump*
Navig, did you see my last post?
cheers,
jed
Great and very informative review. I assume the Delta 38 is a VHE. Interesting that the single VHE out cools 3 lower cfm fans. Of course noise is a huge factor. Three VHEs on a fan controller looks the most interesting to me. Thanks again, this review really helps with deciding what to buy. :up:
Btw, as has been already said, just an outstanding case.
jalyst, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I have both and I don't. I know vapor has both and he doesn't. Both are excellent heatsinks performing very very close to each other. Probably variations in thermal grease would yield bigger differences. Personally, tho, I think that if you strap 4 high flow fans to the IFX-14, it'll probably outperform.
I'm using my IFX-14 on my E6700 and my Ultra-120 eX on my QX6700....with a modded mount on both, they're very competitive and 1-2C in either direction is no biggie.
I'm still kind of in awe that the IFX-14 doesn't walk away with the lead, but on closer inspection, it begins to make sense :)
Thanks guys.
Sorry for being so anal but I just don't have the time/money these days to prove definitively which is better for my intended application.
The IFX-14 seems to be avail for the same price in most places down here in Oz. So, as long as it cools better with 4 high CFM fans than the coolest mod mode of the 120x, I'm in like Flynn!
Sorry to push it but Vapor are you in agreement with Navigs last sentence? Your previous response was very "diplomatic". :D
cheers,
jed
*bump* :D
*bump* just a rehash of my last post......
Vapor, are you in agreement with Navig's last sentence or are you currently not setup to determine this?
Cheers,
jed
oookaay, :shakes:
Got the 120 extreme, IFX-14 seems like overkill for very little (if at all) benefit.
That is one morther f***** badass cooler
Which one are you talking about, IFX-14?
If you read all the decent reviews, it's actually quite a let down when compared to its predecessor.
Still a decent HS, but the improvements a negligible, if at all.
jalyst