I'm looking at getting one and was ondering if intel was moving them to G0 aswell. Any OC results of X3210s B3 or G0 would be helpful also.
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I'm looking at getting one and was ondering if intel was moving them to G0 aswell. Any OC results of X3210s B3 or G0 would be helpful also.
Mine just arrived and it is an L648G which if is anything like other G's of any type it will take a lot of vcore to get to 3.6 if at all.
Ordered an X3210 from Provantage should be here next week, so I'll report on it.
if it says SLACU somewhere on the box it is a G0. if it says SL9UQ it is B3. Please tell me what you got because I ordered from Priceguidenetwork just like you :O.Quote:
Originally Posted by sofarfrome
SL9UQQuote:
Originally Posted by TyphooN
But I am not dismayed by it. I know it may take a little extra vcore but if I can get 3.6 @ 1.5vcore I will be quite happy. I have seen the QX6700 with the same batch code perform at that level (450x8) with 1.5 so I will know this weekend as my board will be herre tomorrow.
alright, well thanks for the update.. i am already going to be cancelling my order just because they charged me tax, id rather just buy it from another store for $18 less regardless. but, if yours was g0 that was going to change my opinion >_>. I want a x3210 more than a q6600 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sofarfrome
Edit: Can't cancel my order because it has already shipped. Oh well, hope it's a good clocker, probably not a G0 but maybe I'll get lucky :O.
Provantage only charges tax in Ohio I believe and shipping was only $5 for me :). They also have regional warehouses, so it probably won't take that long to ship. I'll report back when the tracking information gets updated.
Mine only took 3 days but I am in NY
whats the site link to provantage xeon offer ?
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Originally Posted by hecktic
http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80...0~7ITEP2HA.htm
shipping for me was less than $6
http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80...0~7ITEP2HA.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by hecktic
ncix has them for $228.
thanks guys
Thats where I was planning to get mine from.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADMAX22
After shipping, its roughly the same price as the other retailers. Plus, if you have issues or need to return, shipping back within the states will be easier than outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADMAX22
you know they do have a US office right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K
www.ncixus.com
it wouldn't be any more difficult
hmmm, ordered one :D
I would like to suggest that since these arent flying off the shelves and such they are going to be B3 for a while I assume. That one place you guys listed has the B3 stepping as part of the specs. Without alot of peeps digging these things well probably get B3 for a while.
Ofcourse who knows if that will really matter.
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Originally Posted by sofarfrome
Where from ROME N.Y:up:
Too late now, my chip is shipping to me right now. I say it cost me about $8 more? No real biggie. Just Ramen for one day instead of going to get food :DQuote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Anyways, my chip is shipping from the Fresno, CA warehouse, so only about 250 miles away. Should be here Monday morning, tomorrow if I'm lucky.
Mine is shipped from Fresno, CA also. Should be here tomorrow. Anyway, NCIXUS charge minimum 18 dollars shipping + tax which will end up around the same price as provantage.
are these better to get than a g0 q6600?what are the advantages over a q6600?
Cheaper by a good $40~$50 which can go to the cost of getting an Ultra 120 Extreme :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CoolZone
they produced 3210 B3 ?
thermal spec of up to 85*C for the x32x0 g0 editionQuote:
Originally Posted by CoolZone
vs the 71*C for the q6600
or 62.2*C for the b3 xeon
check out the spec sheets via: http://processorfinder.intel.com/
Canandaigua NY :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I'm pretty sure I'll be getting a B3. It will be very hard to believe if I get a G0. However, I won't be sad if I get a B3.
Thanks for pointing this out as an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakir_Akbari
The definitions shown on Processor Spec Finder page are helpful
"Thermal Design Power: (Also referred to as Thermal Guideline) The maximum amount of heat which a thermal solution must be able to dissipate from the processor so that the processor will operate under normal operating conditions.
Thermal Specification: The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor. It is measured at the geometric center on the topside of the processor integrated heat spreader. For processors without integrated heat spreaders such as mobile processors, the thermal specification is referred to as the junction temperature (Tj). The maximum junction temperature is defined by an activation of the processor Intel® Thermal Monitor. The Intel Thermal Monitor’s automatic mode is used to indicate that the maximum TJ has been reached. "
The Q6600 B-3 has
Thermal Design Power: 105W
Thermal Specification: 62.2C
http://processorfinder.intel.com/Det...l9um&OrdCode=#
and a Q6600 G-0 has
Thermal Design Power: 95W
Thermal Specification: 71C
http://processorfinder.intel.com/Det...lacr&OrdCode=#
After reading the Intel Processor Spec Finder page , I think the lower TDPs of the new steppings mean that the CPUs now run stable at higher temperatures. I have mistakenly believed that a TDP changing from 105w to 95w meant the processor uses 10W less power. What it seems to mean is that a heatsink needs to dissipate 10W less heat because the CPU runs stable at higher temperatures.
So I think a correct re-wording of the specs for a Q6600 G-0 is that a CPU cooler must dissipate thermal energy at a rate of 95W to keep Tcase temperatures under 71C to prevent throttling at 2.4GHz.
Likewise, X3210 G-0 requires a cooler that will dissipate heat at a rate of 100W to keep Tcase under 85C at 2.13GHz.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/Det...lacu&OrdCode=#
Core temperatures could be used as a conservative approximation to Tcase.
One cannot infer stable operation at higher frequencies simply requires that Tcase stays below the Thermal Specification of a lower frequency. Increasing voltage to make an increased frequency work increases heat exponentially as well as introducing issues besides heat. At some point as voltage increases, TDP increases and Tcase drops.
For example, the QX6850 G-0 needs a cooler to dissipate 130W to keep Tcase below 64.5C for 3GHz operation.
Here is one resource that shows delta T values (temp difference between ambient air and cpu) for a lot of CPU Coolers. If you are overclocking, you would look at the 150W column for values less than (Thermal Specification) minus (air temperature on the intake side of the heatsink).
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2150&page=5
I believe you can increase frequency without impacting TDP and TCase. Increasing vcore to maintain the frequency is what creates havoc with the TDP and TCase
Got my X3210. Its a B3 as expected. I'll start testing later tonight :)
got mine as well, it is B3.. I'll test later tonight or tomorrow hopefully, I am bleeding my watercooling right now.
Looking forward to hearing some overclocking results.
I got a B3 also. Stepping is: L644F013
Thanks guys I'm going to wait to see a few results before I order but I also have to unload my current chip first.
So what is everyone getting? I'm getting around 3Ghz on mine. After that I have to give it too much volts, simply not worth it.
I am at 3 GHz now, with volt on auto. It's a B3. But I can't get coretemp to work, so I'm not sure about the temps. I really like coretemp, but it will not display my X3210 temps.
A more accurate comparison for the Q6600 would be the X3220. The Q6600 is 2.4 stock 9x266, the X3220 is 9x266 as well.. However, the x3210 is 8x266, thus it is no wonder it has different thermal specifications at stock!
the X3220 and X3210 seem like really affordable quad core chips.. hmmm maybe i should order one :shrug:
I solved my coretemp issue, had to enable all cores.
So far 3550 at 1.51 volt stable now. B3
What kind of cooling are you guys using? I'm hoping to get 3.2 below 1.5v.
Nice, temps? Cooling?Quote:
Originally Posted by hifiking
I'm using a Tuniq and can get to 3Ghz @ 1.35v stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deux
Temps, 60C idle and 70'ish load orthos. Watercooling. I lapped the X3210, I have seen pancakes more even than the original X3210.Quote:
Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K
I should be ok then, Just need a new block to replace my storm
Forgot about this thread and started a new one...sorry!!
Anyhow, the link below is for starters.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...02&postcount=1
Actually, they changed the thermal specs on the X3220 as well - same as the X3210.Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage_guitar
Cap limit on mine seems to be 8x380 (3040). Any more, no matter how much volts I give it just crashes in Prime.
SP33 what board are you running? These Quads are bit more difficult to reach a high FSB. Also older 965/975/680I boards that were first revs have a hard time getting over 400FSB with Quads.
Abit QuadGT Bios 11Quote:
Originally Posted by vengance_01
I will have to lap my x3210 as temps are a little over the top. If Intel is so concerned about temps then perhaps they should address the GC issue as they will certainly run cooler with a FLAT IHS. This is the 4th CPU I have had to lap.
why is xeon cheaper then q6600 ????
the x3210 is cheaper because it is only 2.16 vs the q6600 2.4. The x3220 is about the same price as the q6600 generally.
my xeon 3210 idling at 40 degree c with 1.2v, therefore i decided to lap it and it come down to 25 degree idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by sofarfrome
WoW thats a huge drop. My Quad is going to be the last thing I buy. I will get everything eles and then which ever is cheaper the Q6600 G0 or the Xeon 3210 is the one I will get.
Are you using the stock northbridge heatsink? My QuadGT seems to only like higher FSB (for a quadcore) with a very cool northbridge. I can get to 405fsb with a watercooled northbridge, and 380fsb with a Tt Extreme Spirit on the northbridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K
Another thing is that your PWM mosfets might be getting too hot with the NB heat getting added to them.
This is how I have mine setup.
http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07300/SUC50897.JPG.xs.jpg
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Originally Posted by Bail_w
LOL most likely you just had a bad mount the first time. I have never known anyone to drop 15c just from lapping.
I rarely have a bad mount after a bit of lapping. ;)
do i look like a noob? i dont think so, i already check the mount before lapping the cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLINROB
So.. noone's seen a SLACU yet?
No retail yet. But they should appear soon. There some ES versions around that have been tested but who cares about them?
n00b question
major difference between x3210 and q6600 ?
X3210 = 8x Multi...
i know but someone told me different core?
Well since I cant see you I really don't know but with your attitude your sure acting like one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
BTW-as I stated before a 15c drop in temps just from lapping is very extreme and I will stand by my previous comment as part of your problem being from a bad mount the first time.
Even the most experienced can get a bad mount from time to time, it doesn't make you a noob so get over it.
Actually I think this may have been the case. The heatpipe was getting almost scorching hot when I gave it around 1.45v. I think I'll stick a couple of 50mm fans on it cool it down, otherwise its time for some water.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] DragonOrta
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Originally Posted by SLINROB
you need to think twice before posting. why? because if the IHS is concave or convex, it doesn't really matter how tight you mount the waterblock; it will not make any better contact.
Well on a lighter note, newegg has them now so I dont know if they just got a new shipment or finally listed it. Would be cool if they were all G0 though.
I ordered the 3220 from provantage so should have it in a couple of days and will post its results.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...7129&Tpk=X3210
They are prob new shipment, but tax and shipping will kill the deal. Unless they guarantee it is G0 stepping, it definitely wroth it.
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Originally Posted by Bail_w
And I suggest you do the same in realizing that if his CPU was concave enough for a lapping job to knock 15c off his temps then he would have noticed it before he ever installed the CPU the first time.
You know, since you guys are such pros and all im sure you wouldn't have missed that:rolleyes:
My X3210 was so concave the AS5 in the middle of the IHS didn't even touch the waterblock. But I discovered that pretty fast and lapped the thing.
Maybe i should have tested the surface with a razor blade first, but i did not. Now drop it because you have nothing better to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLINROB
The fact that so many IHS's are so woefully convex or concave seems terrible to me. I mean 10C+ temp difference is huge. It seems like a huge QC lapse on intel's part to me, especially on the xeon line.
Sounds like my 4300, I lapped that because I couldnt get good temps on phase (lol), load would shoot up to like 10c or so. I remounted twice with the same results. I
lapped it and the four corners were copper and I could still read the writing in the middle. I put the thing back in and load temps were around -25c for the given oc I had it set at. It makes a huge difference. I havent scene a 10c temp drop since the 4300's but it is easily very possible to do.
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Originally Posted by KingThot
This is especially interesting since intel is so adamant about bringing down the operating temps in "stock trim". One of the marketing ploys of the G0 stepping is that it runs so much cooler than previous steppings at stock settings. If they paid more attention to the quality of the IHS they could realize even bigger benefits relative to heat for the G0 and all steppings for that matter.
so basically no difference between xeon and quad core and specifications other then multi ?
Is that 405 FSB with all the important voltages maxed out?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] DragonOrta
A little help and advice please? :)
Over here in the UK were definatly not getting any G0 CPU`s for sale for a while yet, so all our quad cpu`s are B3 still..
Ive bought an entire rig to build! with the exception of the CPU... the last thing i need and i was pretty certain about buying the Q6600 after the price drops...
Over here the Q6600 can be had for around £170....... but after reading about this x3210 cpu i did a little searching and managed to find somewhere with them for £145... i know its only a £25 saving..... and tbh im not to botherd about saving money i just want the best chip out of the 2.... so which would u reccomend?? both will be B3 cpu`s... should i just go for the Q6600 or try the X3210? :)
i know the X3210 is clocked lower at stock... but i assume that they should both overclock to pretty much the same ? i bought a 120 extreme HS to help with the cooling :).. and 4 gig of PC8500 ballistix so high FSB wont be a problem .. also a P5K deluxe mobo...
please help? :) never had intel b4... plus been a while since i did any overclocking... last time was with my old xp2500 mobile cpu :)
My x3220 showed up today from Provantage, its a B3, I have not fired it up as I am waiting on water block to come in.
so no X3210 G0's?
Guess I'll have to wait a few more weeks...
hurray first appearance of x3210 g0 retail!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117129
Pros: hands down best bang for your buck quad-core! this G0 X3210 is unbelievable in terms of overclocking potential. I currently have this running at 3.5ghz stable (9x385) with a P35 board and TR U-120 extreme hsf, and load temps are around 61C
See something wrong? X3210 is X8 385x8 = 3080 :)
that boy on the egg is working on mysteries without any clues
Actually, now I can get up to 419FSB. I've been running at 3.77ghz on the Q6600 for the past three days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Techie
http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07314/uGuru3753.png.xs.jpg
Voltages are set at
1.6425 vCore
1.65 vMCH
2.35 vMem
1.5 vICH IO
1.2 vICH
and CPU VTT is set as high as it goes. I don't remember if it's 1.5v or 1.6v.
anyone order from here?
http://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80...0~4ITEP2HA.htm
i've been watching their stock. they had 100+ a few days ago... then only 4 by the end of yesterday, and today they have 80+ (at the time I checked).
anyone want to take a gamble and order one from them? :D
i'd try newegg but paying tax is a deal breaker for me.
Just found this... X3210 G0 (SLACU) $269 + free shipping.
A bit more expensive than other sies, but the only one I've seen specifically listing the G0 stepping so far... on the other hand, it's only $5 more than NewEgg but guaranteed G0 stepping.
Anyone else things these temps are a little high @ 1.37 Vcore under water?
Abit IP35-E
D-Tek Fuzion
MCP 350
MCR 220
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Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K
lol talking about high temperatures, My Xeon 3210 loaded at ~65s with 1.32v @ 3.4 on watercooling, so this is normal.
SP33DFR34K, i get around the same temps as you.. i guess maybe something is wrong with our xeon's?? I have remounted my block countless times... I have to use 1.48v just to get to 3.4ghz.. Lower volts I can get a little lower temp but not as high a speed. Because of what Eddie said I thought that maybe I had bubbles in my rad, not true I found out. So I think there is maybe a very bad contact between the cores and the IHS. SP33DFR34K and my temperatures are way too high :(. I am thinking of ordering a Q6600 G0 and selling this on ebay.
BTW my setup is Apogee GT(bowed), Silverprop Fusion HL on my 2900XT, MCR320, and MCP655.
My X3210's IHS was extremly concave, so I lapped it and get nearly 70C at 1.6vcore at load now. This pic is after a few strokes of lapping.
I would only lap the processor if I know I can get more out of my processor. The temperatures don't bother me that much unless it is limiting my overclock.
Temperatures always limit my overclock, i know that my X3210 can go for more, but the heat is just too much...Quote:
Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K
You don't appear to have a full grasp of the concepts of overclocking. Heat is THE limiting factor for all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
You are just repeating what i said above... Btw, sometimes your CPU,Ram,Motherboard or PSU could be a factor that limits you. So, something new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimberto
OK, point taken. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w