I just looked how much Q6600s are by now and I almost wet my pants. The price is already very low and it is still falling...
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a217708.html
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I just looked how much Q6600s are by now and I almost wet my pants. The price is already very low and it is still falling...
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a217708.html
yeah its ace... ill be able to get the q6600 for around £120/£130 from work (i beleive that figure is right)
Here is a graph that shows the price:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?phist=217708
Unfortunately Newegg hasn't gotten on board with the price reduction. I just checked and it's at $399.99. I know it's before the July 22nd price cut but I figured they would go down a little since others have.
Just wait a few days, patience is a great virtue ;)
295$ Retail
http://www.clubit.com/product_detail...temno=A1938452
G0 stepping pre-order 275-290$
http://www.tankguys.biz/product_info...541e0b141f5a6c
I just joined the team about a week ago and I'm going to upgrade to a quad core next week. Looking forward to some quad action on the grid! :D
Welcome to the team! Glad to have you with us. Yeah, a bunch of us are excited about getting quads, too.
£176.12 in the UK
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=530347
I've known about this deal for a while now but I just prefer dealing with Newegg. Sure they may price new products a bit high but their processing and shipping is very fast and the return policy is fantastic. I don't want to pre-order any G0 stepping until they are actually out.Quote:
Originally Posted by azzido
The benefit of going with Clubit is that they will tell you what they are shipping out currently.
$290 CDN at NCIX! :D But I see the price is not reflected on their US site yet.
cheapest i found a q6600 is 200 so far (pounds)
Great news guys - Newegg just dropped the price to $299 over night. Who wants to gamble and see what stepping it is?
This was mentioned in online deals section, but Mwave has B3 stepping for $273.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....3&RSKU=BA23383
How can you tell what stepping it is by looking at the website info? Is it the part number?Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Mwave lists the sSpec number - SL9UM.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL9UM
G0 stepping should have the sSpec code SLACR.
http://intel.pcnalert.com/content/eo...N107463-00.pdf
Is Mwave to be trusted with the stepping info though?
VERY nice prices but im waiting on amds TRUE quad core and what they have to bring to the table.reason why intel prices are so low because intel knows there about to lose the cpu war and getting everyone to buy a "intel" now by using the "crazy" price cuts theory.regardless there great quad core prices on intels part,but there gonna lose the cpu war i think.amd redesigned everything including the all new on die ram controller and were about to see it in actin very s0on...i for 1 think german cars(bmw etc)are made way better then american cars(ford etc),same goes for cpu companies.i think amd are still way superior and think things out brining not only innovation but better technonlogy.it was only til last year the intel held the crown "conroe" while amd was in the midst of tottaly redesigning a new true native quad core implemeneting a already unstopable on die mem controller.so they had 2 tasks on there plate. a new native TRUE quad core amazing desgin,and a NEW ram controller design from scratch.with that combination we should have a new emerging king in the shadows about to come about to the masses.im waiting on this myself named the k10 (phenom).something to think about...
Scratch that!!! Clear as day listed as B3 Stepping......Wait for G0:)
Please do not turn this into another AMD vs. Intel thread. There are already way too many of those. The reason why many people who fold are interested in quad-cores is because they can crunch four work units at once. Whether AMD's solution is better remains to be seen. Whatever the case, do not start a pissing match here.
Agreed SB :up:
I'm sure if in the future other CPU's prove to be better value for crunching then we will buy them too ;)
Can we drown railmeat in a mound of Q6600's? *sigh* If you care about G0 stepping I'd suggest waiting for all the other noobs out in the world to snap up the B3s, give it a few weeks and everyone will be stocking G0's. Could always ask one of the smaller companies (TankGuys?) if they can hand-pick a proc for you.
I actually have a pending Pre Order for Q6600 G0 @ Tank Guys
I want the G0 Stepping for less heat thats my main concern and I actually have no itention of Taking it beyond 3.2-3.4GHZ even if it does 4.0 GHZ
If you've read anything I've said on this you'll know that I want to see AMD do well but as sierra_bound said, this isn't the place for the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
AMD quadcore is an unknown at this point and the quadcore Intel isn't.
To us it's all points per day,cost of equipment and cost of electricity.
If AMD produces a cpu thats better than Intels you can bet we'll be using it..
No fanboys here, just what is best and at this point in time the Intel quads are best.
^^ Agreed. I LOVE AMD but right now it would be dumb to get one unless you're going for low power.
I'm still not convinced with G0s....and I LOVE B3s (then again, I've been lucky :p: ).
mwave deal sure does look good....
Hell yeah! We like good crunchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Adywebb
Had an army of XP and XP-M's. Those things were crunching beasts.
Had a small fleet of AMD Athlon64 type, mainly DCs, both X2 and Opteron.
Have a small squad of C2Ds and a couple of Octohamsters.
Gonna get a quad or two, once the dust settles.
If AMD jumps back in the fray and puts out a stunner, I'll get that, too.
I certainly have nothing against AMD. I just want the most bang for the buck.
Whatever works the best is what I get.
Guys, not all G0 are good!
Check out the Quad...
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...PUs-Processors
Hmmm, Newegg is already sold out of Q6600's at $300. But Mwave still has them, though it raised the price a little to $278. Zipzoomfly has the Q6600 for $295. Fry's still wants $565.:eek:
There's a lot about G0 I don't like....and yes, you're absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
Basically, if I were in the market for a CPU right now, I'd DEFINITELY get one of those mwave B3s.
I think until people actually start testing the retail G0 quad-cores, it's too soon to reach a verdict. ;) The price drop took effect on a weekend, so most of the CPU's won't be shipped until Monday. A lot will depend on how these chips were binned. The G0 E6850, for example, seems to perform a lot better than the other G0's with lower multipliers.
I have a fella that is buying my E6420 and pushing for it pronto so I went and ordered a Q6600 from mwave this evening I am thinking it will be G0 Stepping personally. Any comments on the B3 Stepping in case it ends up being that?
I still have my Q6600 G0 order pending with Tank Guys in que at position 204:clap:
I don't know how people can feel disappointment when they paid only $270+ for a CPU with four cores. Of course, everyone would like to pay next to nothing and get a chip that's a real screamer.:) Even at 3.1-3.2GHz, Kentsfields are very responsive. I doubt many apps are going to struggle at that speed.
What about the G0 is it that you don't like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
LOL...whats not to like about a quad core at those prices? I am interested in lowest temps B3 G0 I could care less!
For the QX6850 and the E6850, I think they're great....BUT, in every other model, there are more than a few things to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] DragonOrta
1) Some have nasty FSB walls.
2) Many have FSB issues when not used on P35 chipsets (which I never plan to run). X38 will probably be okay as well.
3) Coldbug and LN2 performance seem to be an issue already (not applicable to DC, but it's a worth a mention).
4) It's a budgeting revision....that's HUGE.
4a) it means there's a very high likelihood of future G0s being piss-poor clockers (at least they'll run cool)
4b) it means that yields are higher, at the expense of consistent clocking chips (i.e., there will be more duds, thus more complaints)
And for a better-versed version of what I think: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=85 (and he's not a nobody ;)).
5) my luck with B3s is...very good :D
I think we're talking about two things here - benching stable versus folding stable. Most of the people here in the WCG section are getting quad-cores because they can increase their production at a very reasonable price. The difference between crunching with a quad-core at 3.2GHz versus 3.4-3.5GHz is not really huge. Yes, you will get more daily points at the higher speeds. But is it enough to justify paying $1000 for a QX6850 versus $270 for a Q6600? For most folders, I doubt it.
Yep. It almost is a small repetition of when the new >31 week conroes came out. The Jury was out as they failed to be ACROSS the board great clockers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I'm just saying G0 isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially at the $270 price point.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
The difference between 3.2 and 3.4-3.5 is 5-9%....that's fairly significant, IMO. This isn't QX6700 vs. Q6600 here, it's G0 vs. B3. Yes, B3 is hotter, but at the low end (and Q6600 is somewhat low-end), G0 will suffer and could be even worse than the 5-9% disadvantage when you average it all out.
I guess I'm being overly negative about G0 to offset the excitement and bring it back down to earth....but give me a choice between a random G0 and a random B3, and I'll take the B3. This is XS, we don't stick to stock HSFs where a G0 will typically be a little better, in fact, we use the best HSFs....
Oh, and voltage response is another concern of mine on G0.....especially for 24/7 stability. (but that's largely unfounded so far, but we'll see)
EDIT: and I apologize for the negativity.....taking out my WC-section frustrations here is not my intention :(
Interesting..I think most people are seeing the G0's as dead equal to the B3's but just able to clock higher due to the lower heat output.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
If thats a bad assumption we need to know.
I've read a lot of the threads on the G0's and yet to see a negative.
Granted, those are all ES's vs retail.
Since there are really just two bins, locked (Q6600) & unlocked (QX6700), I don't think that quality binning will have as much effect in the quad line as it might in the dual-core. The post linked seems to corroborate this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
No need for the apology.:) I guess I'm looking at this purely from a crunching perspective. For the price of one QX6850 you can now get four Q6600's. Even four so-so clocking quad-cores will annihilate one super-clocking QX6850 in daily point production. For those people with large to medium-sized folding farms, the QX6850 does not make a lot of economic sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Regarding the 5-9% performance difference, I think it's closer to 5%. But again, is that 5% worth spending an extra $730? For someone who benches and has a lot of cash, it may be. But for the folder on a budget, it probably isn't.
I just noticed Fry's still has not lowered the price on the Q6600. It's still listed at $565.
S_B, you're still stuck on Q6600 vs. QX6xx0 :p:
I'm just resenting G0's existence :(
FUGGER may have a gem of one, and no doubt they'll probably be the WR chips and the highest-clocking 24/7 chips. But they'll also be the lowest, and probably even in staggering numbers. WCG team will have a large quantity of these (I'd bet), and they'll just not be that good...and on a large scale of the WCG team, that's A LOT of lost points. I'd have rather seen B3s stick around a little longer for like $5 extra :p:
Heck, I know of a G0 QX6850 that can't do FUGGER's single stage clocks....on LN2 (and no, the pot is not at all to blame). Not even the high-end chips are all good.
No, I'm just saying that benchers and folders view things differently.:D
I can't imagine the obsession with G0's will last very long anyway. We're already into Q3 and Penryn is just around the corner. There's also Barcelona for all the AMD folks.
Once upon a time when I did a lot of benching, I used to think the same way you do. But my views on a lot of things have changed. I don't have a burning desire anymore to have the absolute best chip available. Folding is more about dedication and patience, with a little fun thrown into the mix.:) It's not about the BOINC CPU benchmark which I think is bogus to begin with. Even a so-so chip will generate a lot of points and complete a lot of work units over time.
Yeah, that's the problem. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I was thinking of cracking my knuckles and making a few posts to put things in perspective, but I see that Eric's doing just that. :)
What's funny is, there's only one retailer I know of even guaranteeing G0's so I'm not sure why its become such a hot topic. Who knows when they'll get them in as so far we have yet to see a single Q6600 G0 retail, and a very small amout of ESes. Who's to say you can get one at this point in time even if you really wanted to?
cheapest quad i've seen : X3210 220€ :up:
http://www.komplett.be/k/ki.aspx?sku=330170