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I had recently came acroos this review which contained lots of cpus but I was only focused on the E6850 and Q6600. From the review in some tests the E6850 beat out the Q6600. What I want everyone to do is look at review and tell me which one you would buy.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/...007/index.html
id be more interested in crysis, hl2 ep2 etc result for quad cores....
but im happy with 6850 right now :)
I think I'm just going to go the cheaper of the two. :) or an E6420.Quote:
Originally Posted by louie101086
i hear 6850 is a great cpu but i was just worried because i seen list of programs which utilize quad cores and i use those programs alot ex. nero also i seen that both cpus do 4ghz
The real question is which of the 2 are faster overclocked to 4Ghz =), I am going for the Q6600 G0 and I intend to clock it at 3600Mhz, as long as I get that I will be happy untill the X38 chipsets hit the market and then my PW5 DH will go to the wife and then the push for 4Ghz on the Q6600, I know it might not happen but there nothing wrong with aiming high.
well its easy get a quad g0 when they arrive; that is the sensible choice.
my next chip will be a yorkfield...if there is an affordable version of it.
i think they say the 1333 bus is about 1% faster....but..also consider the test which might not use all four cores and therefore the dual core might come out ahead.
where will quad core g0's be available because i dont want to preorder
Yes there will be quads@G0 stepping and it seems they are looking good:D
tankguys.com takes preorders and they are very good....you can cancel but i think they will charge you a cancellation fee....you can email them to find out how much.Quote:
Originally Posted by louie101086
the only problem with tank guys is that they will get cpus late july mid august thats to long for me
Another Homie fro New Jersey:D N.J Born and Raised:D
Patience is a aquired skill my friend and its better to wait and get guarenteed something then dump 3 Beans into the unknown!
bah waiting.. been waiting for a month already :P
Wait some more wood pecker:D
me thinks I am getting both ;) - it feels good I can say that now that I have a job again! LOL
If I can get a G0 Q6600 for ~275 I think I will spring for it.
do they both have the same heat dump or is the 6850 less of a heat generator?
E6850 produces less heat by far
ok, excuse me for getting all noobalicious here, but can you quantify 'by far'?
What are we talking about really in numbers? Thing is, I'll be running WC off of a pa160 which is almost comparable to a 120.2, so I don't have a lot of headroom for excess heat.
pa160 should cool your q6600 only , but you might not get 4ghz . i guess it all depends on how many volts you need to get 4 ghz .
I'm in the same boat. I am leaning towards a Q6600 for now....I am thinking CRYSIS! :)
yeah your right it is a crysis we cant get q6600 g0 sooner lol:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by chriskurn
i don't know the exact numbers but intel quad core chips pump hell of a lot more heat than dual core cpu's..Quote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
Maybe this help ...
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3216/51434a35dn4.png
"This graph is a lot more colorful than our previous ones because the decision just isn't that clear. If you look at the average, quad-core gains an advantage over dual-core over all of our benchmarks, but if you look at the tests themselves you'll see some trends. Encoding and 3D manipulation benchmarks have the quad-core CPU clearly ahead, while general usage and gaming benchmarks mostly favor the higher clocked dual-core E6850. So, which do you choose?
If you're strictly building a gaming box, you'll get more performance out of the dual-core E6850. However, if you do any encoding or 3D rendering at all, the quad-core Q6600 is a better buy. Our pick is the Q6600 and if you want to make up the performance difference you can always overclock to E6850 speeds, but the chip only makes sense if you're running apps that can take advantage of four cores. As the chart above illustrates, those applications are almost exclusively limited to video encoding and 3D rendering."
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and Massive Price Cuts
I wish there were more games that use multithreading so we could actually see the difference that it makes/doesn't make. In games like Lost Planet a quad is close to a higher clocked dual core outside but when the player moves into a cave the quad beats a dual even at a lower clock speed. This same information is shown specifically in Anandtech's review.
According to that explanation, if you overclock a Q6600 to 3.0ghz you will still have the performance of a E6850 but quad core. So in my mind wouldn't it be smarter to buy the Q6600 for the same price as the E6850 and overclock it to 3.0ghz+ which should be easy on air. And in the end have two extra cores. Or am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Bullet
The 6850 does have the potential to OC to 4ghz which is really sexy. (I guess years ago nobody would have thought we'd finally reach the 4ghz mark without extreme cooling) But I wanna see those kinda speeds achieved by the mass, not just by one or two persons.
Right now I prefer the quadcore because I'm really into encoding and don't play games anymore, I do hope to see a realtime 4Ghz dualcore vs a 3Ghz quadcore dvd encoding session.
Im looking to buy a Asus board for a Q6600 what chipset will be best for it to OC on air? 680i or P35?
Untill the price drops i will have a E6600 in it.
If i where to go buy the OC's on futuremark the StrikerExtreme seems to do the best.
Thats Funny My P4 670 is 3.8GHZ @Stock:rofl:
Both the Q6600 and the E6850 have the same 9X multi, just different FSB speeds (1066Mhz vs. 1333MHz). The Q6600 is also supposed to be switching over to the new G0 stepping that the E6850 uses. It seems to me like as long as you keep the heat in check and and provide enough power, you could easily get the Q6600 up to E6850 speeds just by upping it to the equivalent 1333MHz FSB. From there on, wouldn't they pretty much have the same overclocking potential as well? Add in the fact that the Q6600 has two extra CPU cores and it seems like the hands down winner in my opinion.
i would love to own a q6600 g0 but when prices drop many people will still be selling old stock mixed with new so the chances of getting a g0 are 50/50 and those are odds i hate
another review damn its getting to close to call
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._e6850_e6750/1
listen...the only way you will know that you are getting a "G0" stepping is to sign up with a online retail like Tankguys.
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
qft??? whats that mean
Quoted for Truth.....Sorry for my WoW lingo carrying over to stuff :D
Paid for my spot a week ago. They will be 'G0' stepping or you get a refund. Might be paying a little bit more. But at least you know what you are gettting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
GripS,
I totally I agree! I pre-ordered mine on July 3 and glad I did.
if i were you i would get a p35 board.. i can say this from experience when overclocking, p35 kicks nforce680i's arse.
with my evga mobo the max fsb is 490 when with my asus p5k deluxe the max fsb is 550.. do i need to say more :D
Eva2000 was able to reach 500FSB with a Q6600 on a P5K Deluxe. Simply if you need SLI then get the 680i. Otherwise pickup a P35 motherboard.
They are great, I have one and its better then my old P5N-e SLi.
I'd say p35
680i isnt all that bad guess its abt luck.
then again majority agrees that p35 clocks better for quad and i agree.
Definitely p35 for overclocking a q6600. Many of the 680 boards can't overclock a quad core past 330-360 fsb (though there are reports of 400+ fsb for quad core on new revision evga boards). With p35 you'll easily see 450 or likely much more (again, talking quadcore). :up:
p35 is better unless your going sli then your stuck with 680i and ive been through over 5 680i boards
so im in the process of selling my 680i's cause i hate them!
my 680i works fine, i have had an asus p5k deluxe, and i returned it and went back to my trusty old 680i, love this board.
I wish we had those kinda services over here (in the Netherlands), I know a german shop that does handpicked/pretested cpu's - but he's overcharging by at least $50.
I'll probably wait a month or two before getting my Q6600
i am know actually considering buying a cheap g0 cheap and just waiting til the winter when penryn comes out. what u guys think about that????
They get it as soon as it's available - how do you mean it's too long for you? Are you going to complain at Intel?Quote:
Originally Posted by louie101086
You're not making sense.
I am buying a Q6600 - reason? Its cheaper and I can probably overclock it to E6850 speeds or very close.
Exactly. I paid a bit before you but I don't mind as I know I'll get what I wanted (even if it takes an extra 2-3 days for them to sort the G0s out of the rest.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GripS
My thoughts exactly - since you can get to ~3,5GHz on air and 4GHz on water already, I expect g0 to be stable at 4GHz with my nice custom WC kit and then I doubt I'd be more than a single frame behind of any dual-core competitor... .:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nsl
umm yes., but what people are not udnerstanding. Fine @ stock settings the Quad shows better. But now lets take the E6850 @ 4ghz and compare it to the Quad @ 3.2ghz. What would we see then. This is what people are wanting to see.
(not saying all 6850's will hit 4 ghz but it looks like a good shot) :P
But then again. Someone stated above. Penryn is coming Q4 07. And yes. OCTOO.. 12 mb cache we are speaking.
They are releasing a hole line of processors. one being 3ghz stock 45nm 12mb cache for $890 . Soooooo Regardless of your purchase now. Penryn is just around the corner.
"all i want for xmas is my penryn *sings*
I totally agree with the (e6850 @ 4ghz) vs. (q6600 @ 3.2 ghz) argument. The e6850 running that fast should do some damage.
However....If you are doing this for UT3 or Crysis, you go for the Quad....it's a no brainer.
Crysis was demo'd at E3 running on a Quad Core for a reason :)
I'm soooooo confused :( , one post says E6850 can get to like 4GHz on default voltage while others need 1.55V for 3.6GHz.
My own E6600 has been running nicely at 3.4GHz with 1.4V in bios :)
So i'm trying to justify the leap to a new CPU, thing is...if i can't get 3.6-3.8GHz with a minor voltage bump to the E6850 is there any point?
Ergo...would it better to make the leap to a "G0" stepping Q6600 and enjoy the kudos of a Quad Core system :cool:
My ideal would be a Q6600 at 3.4GHz with say 1.4V...possible?
You more tecninally minded among us must help out poor souls :up:
From what results I have seen,
E6850 @ 1.4v will get around 3.4-3.8ghz
Q6600 @ 1.4v will get around 3.0-3.4ghz
Those extra 2 cores just suck up more power when overclocking, not to mention the idle and load draw on them are way higher than DC. (To be expected though)
Several people have gotten bad OCers out of the batches out now though, so it is totally random as always.
I've got an OCZ 1000W...should be enough?
Oh definately, anything above 400w with a single card is enough.
Yup, 680i here too. E6600 @ 4ghz - soon to be quad when the g0 steppings arrive in UK.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
If you don't have enough, we're all doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
I was thinking i needed a Thermaltake 1200W :-)
If I were you I would go for a G0 Q6600 and on air you should be able to do at least 3.2ghz+ easy.
Oh no, OCZ is way better than any Thermaltake and 1K Watts alone is overkill, 1200 would be even more overkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
That OCZ 1000W will handle anything you put on it... for at least the next 3 years.
In fact, I'd wager that it stops working before you ever have a set-up that needed more power than it can handle. So rest assured, it IS enough.
i believe this topic has been discussed nermous amount of times. Yet its still a toss up :P
And there are two threads, basically the same topic, they should be merged. Basically I am stuck with the Q6600 if I were to upgrade as the DS3 rev1 doesn't support the 6850, well at least not yet, but I doubt it ever will. Anyway being able to run two cores of F@H and 2 cores to game at the same time will be great, and 4 cores of F@H when I'm not gaming, awesome.
Only 3.4ghz on your E6600? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
IMO paying another $250 for a "minor" increase of 200-400Mhz is not worth it.
now in my case, I just bought a cheap E4300 last week to play with till the cheap quadcores are available, and it runs at 3Ghz stock voltage. In my case I'll be replacing it with a Q6600/E6850 for sure. But I'd more than likely wouldn't replace it if it ran 3.4Ghz.
that's because the es chips will always oc higher. People with es g0 chips are getting amazing results, but the retail g0 chips will only give you a minor speed boost, the 1.5v sounds about right for 3.8ghz on a retail e6850. Don't forget the q6600 will also be g0 very soon, it'll just be a toss up for a while until all the b-2 steppings are phased out.
I personally say either get the q6600 if you need an upgrade now or wait until 45nm/k10 depending on how far you intend to oc.
yeah, 3.6ghz on a Q6600 is alot harder than if you wanted to do it on an E6600. Good luck though, you might get a golden cihp ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarowah
I'll take 4 cores versus 2 cores in the same chip any day.
I think Johnny Guru would disagree, he rated the Thermaltake 1kw and 1.2kw models very highly on his site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
I'm not saying you'd need to upgrade from a 1kw OCZ model though.
on tankguys website they say it may take longer to get g0 to customer they expect to ship in early/mid august i was also looking around at others website i seen mwave is currently out of q6600 so maybe july 22 they will recieve a whole new batch of g0's i will keep my fingers crossed
ummm think about this for a sec... you seriously think you are ever going to need 1k watts power supply... technology is getting smaller... nvidia is moving to smaller cores for their graphics cards which = less heat and less power
same as intel... 45nm processors that apperantly will only need 50watts or so of power
its funny how technology works... it starts out massive, then gets really small, then it goes massive again (11 inch graphics card *cough* 8800gtx *cough*)
unless u wanna hook up a deep fryer to your computer and cook some chicken wings while playing crysis... you dont need a 1k power supply. :)
Well, maybe we'll need to run eleventyhundred case fans?
I seriously cracked up when I read the reply "if it isn't enough we are all doomed"
i dont know the 6750 is looking pretty good for $183, especially with the 45nm stuff comming soon
lol u want to cool the pc not tie yourself to it and launch to the moonQuote:
Originally Posted by Harlech
i totally agree because for me its either go q6600 and stick with it for a couple years or buy a cheaper cpu and then upgrade when 45nm becomes availableQuote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Hey Guys, I have started to do reviews on the Q6600, So I am guessing I am gona go with the Q6600 After all. I just had few questions:
1) Can I get the Q6600 now (Of course after Price Cut)?
2) When I order it on-line, do I need to look for something regarding this processor (Stepping I guess or something else). Or do I just order the Q6600 Period?
3) Will this processor work when I get the X38 Chipset based Motherboards Intel or Asus? (Because I plan to get the 45nm based Quad-Core Next year or so)
Thx for all the help guys!
P.S. Fusion
nice to see some 680i votes.
On futuremark i did not see any P35 boards using quads the board that OC the most where 680i.
those of you who have tried 680i, have any tried Q6600 on Asus P5N32 E-Sli Plus?
1) yes
2) yes look for G0 stepping that is new best one B3 is old stepping
3) of course i dont see why not both chipset and cpu are made by intel
I think I want a 1k power supply right now. It's hard to judge which CPU you want if you don't tell us what its for.Quote:
unless u wanna hook up a deep fryer to your computer and cook some chicken wings while playing crysis... you dont need a 1k power supply.
I find that a bit hard to believe but possible. If there weren't any P35 boards using the quad there is now.;) 3D mark 06 Project detailsQuote:
Originally Posted by David9799
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Originally Posted by crossg
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Maybe because I am using the trial version. Not sure but it comes up for me.:confused: Sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread. Here ya go. My vote goes for the P35 boards. This is a B3 quad not a G0
Its not a Q6600 i got , but with my QX6700 i get the fsbbug @ 310 ( luckely the multi go's till 15 :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkcarlos
Get a P35 board, but stay away from Asus.
Just read the many failure, bad experiences, threads that are everywhere concerning the Asus P35 boards / SATA and Bios issues!
OK enough is enough, I count more than half a dozen of threads with same questions
- Which is best ? E6850 or Q6600
- What are the best motherboard for new G0's ?
All those threads are merged into this thread
Please post your question and answers about these in this thread.
And please use the Search funcion http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/search.php BEFORE create a new thread with questions that are already post and reposted on other topics
Thank you
If/when I buy a quad I will buy an Abit IP-35 Pro with it, that is my board and processor of choice when the new G0's come out and when the price drops.
Plan on moving my pw5 dh and e6600 to a secondary pc, will probably keep my 6gigs of ddr2 800 (2x1 ocz, 2x2 patriot) though might keep the ocz with the e6600, along with my water cooling setup (though I may switch the storm for an apogee gtx as storm is'int really quad friendly). Trying to decide on motherboard. Will be picking up a high end dx10 card once the next refresh is out (gforce 9800, radeon 2950xtx...) but sli/crossfire is not important. Money is int really an issue. So basically looking for high overclock, ddr2 (so I think that eliminates x38 boards and probably will buy before x38 is released anyway). Thinking of either a 680i board (if so which one?) or a p35 (again which would be the best). Any suggestions would be appreciated.
im interested to see if any "budget" x38 boards come to retail.
no frills; good fsb; little to no droop.
Lets hope we see some x38 boards in retail within the coming month or so :)Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
What's everyone's estimate OC for G0 Q6600 on air using Thermalright Ultra120 Extream and P5K-Deluxe mobo?
I already have a golden E6700 C2D that does 3.73ghz with only 1.41v Orthos loaded so my next investment towards a new CPU will most likely going to be a quad :)
but you yourself own an Asus motherboard?Quote:
Originally Posted by orion23
I am so eager to buy the P5kDeluxe for my new build but Ive also seen many problems with bios flashing "going terribly to :banana::banana::banana::banana:"
DFI, Abit, Gigabyte are the only other manufactures they make some decent boards. blahhh ..
i am going out on a limb here but i would venture 3850 Mhz...MAYBE 3900 Mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by XtremeTiramisu
My 2 Cents:
The only problem I've had with my P5K Deluxe was a bad bios flash through windows. Which was my fault. :)
Otherwise ZERO problems with the P5K, and it's a superb OC'r
i dont see whats wrong with asus... they make great mobos... i had one of the older ones and it sill works great. ofc im upgrading now cause of the price drops.
as for all those questions, the only way to truly know what works better with a quad, what stepping, how much can you oc, go try it yourself or wait until someone does a test and see what happens.only way i see it that you can get a truthful answer
and would that be stable 24/7?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I don't see why not but also depends on how much voltage it needs to get Orthos stable. For anyone who isn't happy with their C2D OC results that are less than 3.6ghz may find more interest in getting a E6850 as an upgrade but for rest of others including myself who has better than average C2D OC may not find this "upgrade" worthwhile and possibly risking of getting a dud that does just the same or even worse but lower in temp that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
If E6850 can do 3840 ~ 4000mhz with reasonable amount of volt that correspond to the given clock speed, I'd still interested in buying one thinking that it's still considered as an upgrade. It's only roughly ~100 to 270mhz difference + 1333FSB difference afterall from my golden E6700...
The other alternative would be stepping up to a different world, Q6600 G0.
i call 24/7, stable, what ever you do with the puter that does not freeze, randomly reboot or the programs close out on their own...that's my definition of stable if those things do not happen to your systemQuote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
i lend very little credence to priming all the cores to see if it is stable at a certain FSB because, as one person pointed out, that does not totally guarantee you 24/7 stable.