ATI Catalyst 7.6 Performance Analysis

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06-25-2007, 12:54 PM
mascaras

ATI Catalyst 7.6 Performance Analysis

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ATI Catalyst 7.6 Performance Analysis >> http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/11...sis/index.html

Performance Improvements

Half-Life 2: Episode 1 and Dark Messiah Might and Magic performance improves on the ATI Radeon™ HD2900 XT Crossfire configurations. Improvements of 16% or more can be seen with HDR enabled.

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download >> http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

:up:
06-25-2007, 12:57 PM
cadaveca

HD2900XT Crossfire in Vista broken, now needs it's own driver....:stick: link in release notes gives you a hotfix....for XP!!!:lol2: Nice subtle hint there, AMD!!:ROTF:
06-25-2007, 01:01 PM
Periander6

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

ATI Catalyst 7.6 Performance Analysis >> [url]http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1123/ati_catalyst_7_6

From the review:

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While we saw increases in our non-AA tests, we don’t see any improvements here.
06-25-2007, 01:05 PM
v_rr

These drivers are mostly for HD 2600 and HD 2400 that are going to launch in 1 weak.
That´s because they release them today. To make sure that in 1 July everyone makes the reviews with the newest drivers.

Otherwise this realeased in normal conditions only came in 31 June or something.
06-25-2007, 01:11 PM
Shintai

I see AA+AF still kills performance. So its faster, if you play it with ugly settings. Or same speed if you want abit of eyecandy how useful....

So another useless driver and "wait for the next". Seems G9x gonna before they get there.
06-25-2007, 01:12 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_rr

These drivers are mostly for HD 2600 and HD 2400 that are going to launch in 1 weak.
That´s because they release them today. To make sure that in 1 July everyone makes the reviews with the newest drivers.

yep :up:
06-25-2007, 01:15 PM
v_rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I see AA+AF still kills performance. So its faster, if you play it with ugly settings. Or same speed if you want abit of eyecandy how useful....

So another useless driver and "wait for the next". Seems G9x gonna before they get there.

AF don´t kill performance. Only AA.

And I don´t think that 1920 ou 1600 of resolution is not ugly. It´s very good....

Those drivers are mostly focused on RV630 and RV610 as I said. Those grafics are where 80% of the money comes. And they want the best launch that they can have.
06-25-2007, 01:20 PM
freecableguy

I can no longer enable Crossfire in Windows XP Pro (32-bit) with a pair of X1900XTX/XT cards. Anyone else experiencing this?
06-25-2007, 01:22 PM
AbelJemka

AF may kill performance too like AA. Just wanna say that performance with AA+AF put the card at GTS level. So if this is bad this bad also for the GTS.
06-25-2007, 01:25 PM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

I can no longer enable Crossfire in Windows XP Pro (32-bit) with a pair of X1900XTX/XT cards. Anyone else experiencing this?

LoL. Yeah.

Vista users: No fix. was told "good luck on that" on the phone with ATI/AMD this afternoon.

Multiple tickets on the issue. :lol2:
06-25-2007, 01:27 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

I can no longer enable Crossfire in Windows XP Pro (32-bit) with a pair of X1900XTX/XT cards. Anyone else experiencing this?

"Enabling CrossFire™ in the Radeon™ HD2900 XT will result in an error message and Crossfire will not actually be enabled. Further information and a hotfix for this issue can be found in topic number 737-28188."
May try the hotfix is due to 2900XT but it may fix your problem too.
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206...622a-49428.exe
06-25-2007, 01:28 PM
Truckchase!

Anyone check vista performance? I was hoping they'd be able to close the 10% hit in XP vs. Vista.....
06-25-2007, 01:31 PM
mascaras

i dont see any hotfix in release notes , only with the "old" cat 7.5

regards
06-25-2007, 01:32 PM
cadaveca

Hotfix is listed under Vista issues. There was a link to the XP hotfix driver for 7.5(as i mentioned above), but link is gone now, after I talked to them. :lol2: Actually, they are working on it, as we speak, as it changed while i was on the phone, even lol.

here's link to the xp hotfix:

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=27293
06-25-2007, 01:34 PM
cozwin

could be worse could be nvidia who make the drivers lol, still buggy now and card been out since 2006
06-25-2007, 01:38 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Hotfix is listed under Vista issues. There was a link to the XP hotfix driver for 7.5(as i mentioned above), but link is gone now, after I talked to them. :lol2: Actually, they are working on it, as we speak, as it changed while i was on the phone, even lol.

here's link to the xp hotfix:

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=27293

that hotfix is the one i already had for the cat 7.5 i thought you were talking about a new hotfix for CAt 7.6 , LOL

regards
06-25-2007, 01:39 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Hotfix is listed under Vista issues. There was a link to the XP hotfix driver for 7.5(as i mentioned above), but link is gone now, after I talked to them. :lol2: Actually, they are working on it, as we speak, as it changed while i was on the phone, even lol.

here's link to the xp hotfix:

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=27293

I download and Hotfix 7.6 filename "hotfix_xp_8-383-2-070622a-49428". Link has been removed but got the file on my desk...
06-25-2007, 01:41 PM
cadaveca

Yes, i got it too...lol, as I posted, they are working on it(Release notes have been edited three times now that I have seen).:lol2: Have some patience, I suppose...
06-25-2007, 01:42 PM
mascaras

the link removed ( or link from cadaveca ) is for cat 7.5 not for cat 7.6 >> http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=27293

ppl should install :

catalyst 7.5 + hotfix

or

catalyst 7.6 (No hotfix)

regards
06-25-2007, 01:42 PM
AbelJemka

7.6 is DriverVer=06/13/2007, 8.383.0.0000
7.6 hotfix is DriverVer=06/22/2007, 8.383.2.0000
Don't why they remove it. I will prolly install the hotfix coz is more recent.
06-25-2007, 01:44 PM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

the link removed were for cat 7.5 not for cat 7.6 , pl should install :

catalyst 7.5 + hotfix

or

catalyst 7.6 (No hotfix)

regards

Don't install either. Either hit me or AbelJemka up for the 7.6 Hotfix, or wait for ATI to fix the problem.
06-25-2007, 01:53 PM
AbelJemka

Where can i upload a 57mb file?
06-25-2007, 01:59 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Where can i upload a 57mb file?

http://sendspace.com/

No need registration :up:
06-25-2007, 02:00 PM
Vuco

www.sendspace.com

That's what first came to mind, but they don't hold the file for long. A week from the last download...

EDIT:
mascaras was faster :)

also, rapid or http://www.unbase.com/
06-25-2007, 02:10 PM
mascaras

if you could upload the hotfix i apreciate

:up:
06-25-2007, 02:26 PM
AbelJemka

Just do it:up:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uktmea
06-25-2007, 03:46 PM
ahmad

Cool. I thank tweak town for their quick review. I would have liked to see more AA tests (CoH, STALKER).
06-25-2007, 04:39 PM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahmad

Cool. I thank tweak town for their quick review. I would have liked to see more AA tests (CoH, STALKER).

Another great TT review: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/11...red/index.html
Reviewers take notes.
I really like how they overclocked both cards to the max and benched them again and compared. Given its luck of the draw when overclocking it give you a good indication of what is possible.
i'm referring to this asus hd2900xt review
06-25-2007, 05:48 PM
Eastcoasthandle

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...t7_6_68_SC.jpg
Cat 7.6 at Stock clock 1920x1200
Average 68

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...1080_71_SC.jpg
Cat 7.6 at Stock clock 1920x1080
Average 71

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...__43Driver.jpg
Cat 7.5 (8.38XX) at stock clock 1920x1080
Average 57

All tested with everything maxed in the game's settings. And, what is the purpose of the 7.6 hotfix?
06-25-2007, 06:05 PM
[XC] Lead Head

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...t7_6_68_SC.jpg
Cat 7.6 at Stock clock 1920x1200
Average 68

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...1080_71_SC.jpg
Cat 7.6 at Stock clock 1920x1080
Average 71

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...__43Driver.jpg
Cat 7.4 at stock clock 1920x1080
Average 57

All tested with everything maxed in the game's settings. And, what is the purpose of the 7.6 hotfix?

To fix crossfire afaik
06-25-2007, 08:47 PM
saaya

wait... let me get this straight, the drivers really suck for compatibility and performance for r600 and ati kept promising there is a lot of extra perf that can be tweaked out of the cards with better drivers, and now they improve their drivers for crossfire which actually slightly decreases the signlecards r600 perf?

:shakes:
06-25-2007, 09:07 PM
ColonelCain

I think that I am now set on getting an X2900XT:up: . Now, just need to wait for the prices to drop...:(
06-25-2007, 09:55 PM
Kasparz

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

wait... let me get this straight, the drivers really suck for compatibility and performance for r600 and ati kept promising there is a lot of extra perf that can be tweaked out of the cards with better drivers, and now they improve their drivers for crossfire which actually slightly decreases the signlecards r600 perf?

:shakes:

What? Decreases? I only see improvements with singlecard performance.
06-26-2007, 12:45 AM
NightCrawler™

ATi and OpenGL is still a match in hell.....

This is what happens when you have dual monitors and play an OpenGL game... :slapass:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7...latifi7.th.jpg
06-26-2007, 05:41 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

wait... let me get this straight, the drivers really suck for compatibility and performance for r600 and ati kept promising there is a lot of extra perf that can be tweaked out of the cards with better drivers, and now they improve their drivers for crossfire which actually slightly decreases the signlecards r600 perf?

:shakes:

I've already posted my findings (at least for 1 game), not sure were you are getting your information from.
06-26-2007, 05:52 AM
[XC] Lead Head

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

ATi and OpenGL is still a match in hell.....

This is what happens when you have dual monitors and play an OpenGL game... :slapass:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7...latifi7.th.jpg

I'm getting similar problems with quakewars, except wth mine, the bottom half of the image renders fine, while the upper half is all screwed up missing textures, wrong geometry, etc...
06-26-2007, 07:45 AM
screwtech02

Well, at least you get Open GL to run at all, all the older half-life based games wont even load/boot with the 7.5's on....... Weak....:shakes:
06-26-2007, 12:31 PM
AbelJemka

Why are you running HL old game with opengl?
06-26-2007, 02:00 PM
rommel

Not sure how Vista rates gaming cards but Catalyst 7.6 lowered my mildly clocked HD2900 from a 5.9 to a 5.8; the same on my bros rig with an X1950XTX 512MB, from a 5.8 to a 5.7 in Gaming Graphics :(

I haven't noticed any difference in CS:S but I did get a BSOD in Media Center and a graphics card driver error report upon reboot telling me to get the latest drivers from AMD.

I guess I'll patiently wait for 7.6
06-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Dark79

Quote:

Originally Posted by freecableguy

I can no longer enable Crossfire in Windows XP Pro (32-bit) with a pair of X1900XTX/XT cards. Anyone else experiencing this?

I had this same issue with my X1800XT/X1800XT CF cards and 7.5 Cats. ATI's solution? "Use 7.4"
06-26-2007, 02:57 PM
NapalmV5

:sick: @ 7.6

1920x1080 still dont work properly! stuck on 7.1 :shrug:

who f*stix had the bright idea of removing 1080p native support ?

brilliant!
06-26-2007, 03:16 PM
freecableguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

who f*stix had the bright idea of removing 1080p native support ?

Microsoft?
06-26-2007, 04:54 PM
screwtech02

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Why are you running HL old game with opengl?

Hell, it wouldnt run in D3D either..... Seems the source based games work fine though....
06-26-2007, 05:06 PM
eXceeded

General gaming performance has increased with these drivers on a HD2900XT 512MB, seriously impressed with this card! Much much better than the crappy GTS and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't feel upset getting this over an GTX/Ultra.
06-26-2007, 08:06 PM
californian7856

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I see AA+AF still kills performance. So its faster, if you play it with ugly settings. Or same speed if you want abit of eyecandy how useful....

So another useless driver and "wait for the next". Seems G9x gonna before they get there.

lol
keep waiting
06-26-2007, 08:22 PM
Ubermann

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

General gaming performance has increased with these drivers on a HD2900XT 512MB, seriously impressed with this card! Much much better than the crappy GTS and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't feel upset getting this over an GTX/Ultra.

But the Ultra would make you more impressed =)
06-26-2007, 09:50 PM
Brother Esau

So whats the verdict? These drivers any good or what?
06-26-2007, 10:10 PM
NightCrawler™

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Why are you running HL old game with opengl?

It's Riddick.... It's one of the few games I have installed and this one just happened to be the one in the screenshot..
I like my FPS games.. so even the older ones get played once in a while...
06-26-2007, 10:10 PM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

So whats the verdict? These drivers any good or what?

Singlecard, yes.
06-26-2007, 11:46 PM
Brother Esau

@cadaveca ...thanks man!:)
06-26-2007, 11:50 PM
ahmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubermann

But the Ultra would make you more impressed =)

Would make the wallet cry though.
06-27-2007, 12:13 AM
Brother Esau

Those 8800 cards are very nice indeed but the cooling design is a bust unless you water cool.
06-27-2007, 12:52 AM
DeathReborn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Those 8800 cards are very nice indeed but the cooling design is a bust unless you water cool.

You what? Care to explain that one? I have 2 8800GTS 640MB on stock cooling and the cooling is perfectly adequate for them.
06-27-2007, 01:04 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

It's Riddick.... It's one of the few games I have installed and this one just happened to be the one in the screenshot..
I like my FPS games.. so even the older ones get played once in a while...

I love that game! Movie also... And now is coming new game from STARBREEZE Studio! DARKNESS :D

Back on topic.. OpenGL and Vista is a pain also for GeForce owners. My friend is having big problems using 3D software like Maya under Vista. Screen is not refreshed correctly etc. So I think biggest fault in this regard should be assigned to Microsoft and lazy programmers ;)
07-13-2007, 06:37 PM
Budwise

well i recently went back to Windows XP and the new 7.6 drivers strike again with horrid colors. However in XP in CCC there is no color option to change it to fix it... Im very close to selling off anything ATI/AMD i own and getting a 8800 cuz this is just ridiculous.

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