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wow, just wow, their timing seems to be just great. whenever there are barcelona numbers intel shows how much better they are.
at least their merkating is up to the task and much better than AMD's :D
i hope they can deliver (high clocks 3,3ghz+ and ~10% average ipc improvement), otherwise penryn may get its ass spanked as soon as barcelona clocks in at 2,6ghz (edit: maybe something like 2.8+) or higher..
AMD needs to fire back and do the same benchmark to prove Intel wrong.
AMD needs to step up. Now's the time to do it but they won't. Buncha pansies is what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by XeRo
They got a Barcelona system, Give us the damn specs on the machine and run the test and lets us draw our conclusion.
The article mentions that Barcelona got around 16-17K, but we have no Idea at what clocks and what specs the machine was.
If AMD doesn't speak soon, it would be REALLY bad.
Sick stuff, not a power point slide with graphs on how its "going to own"
Having a blast at Computex
lol nice photo :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
It is now very clear, we have a two tier CPU market for the foreseeable future.
AMD can still do very well depending on how they position themselves in the market. It's like watching F1 and NASCAR races, putting them in the same events wouldn't make sense either.
"Any other questions?"
"Yes, FUGGER?"
(laughs heard from the back of the room)
That is one BEAUTIFULL system.
MUST ----HAVE----ONE!
Why oh why did Amd even alow DT to even get close to their system if it was half-baked chip one could ask himself. What's wrong in their heads.
On the other hand here we see Intel all smiles and all. Such a great chip, and eye-watering benchmark results.... DAMN... O_O
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Originally Posted by xenolith
Could very well be true!
Maybe they can position themselves in 2core market more aggresively, and work on some new tech to swing themselves back.
That is unless they pull a white rabbit out of their next waffer spin or the K10 benched on DT was crippled somehow!
Now I read that Cinebench 10 in its beta version doesn't even use SSe4 O_O
Francois stressed the chip run much cooler than the previous generation.
clock for clock, the penryn seems to be about 8% faster at that application than the qx6800.
Ryan
When is this comming out?
If a 2GHz AMD systems scores 16k , they need a 3+GHz K10 to match a V8 with 2 3.33GHz Harpertowns.I don't see that in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
Yeah....um that's insane. Nothing like kicking a company while they are already down in the mud hahahahaa.
Wow ridiculous
Ah more benches showing off the new power of the chip. Glad to see it, can't wait to see one in the hands of our trusted clockers :)
As you fellas know by now I am not what you would consider a Intel fanboy but thats friggin way cool and very impressive:comp10:
Wow
Nice Scaling from Quad to Octa:up:
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...nryn_cores.jpg
omfg nice picture
V8 Penry will own amd
Is this V8 still limited to 1 GPU? I know V8 is a media creation workstation but they seem to be comparing it to QuadFX in various "reviews".
16GB *drools* I'm still on 4GB and only working with several apps open at once am I filling that :shocked:
this is cool but no competition means no price wars
Indeed, its very hard not to become an Intel fanboy in this era, also very hard to avoid becoming one, at the risk of being accused of being a fanboy of the other side.
Great to see they have silicon for this already...good stuff Fugger :up:
I like amd myself...but you have NO idea how many times I've looked at that E6320 and almost pulled the trigger...the processing power is just too tempting at times X(
Perkam
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...iew_mirror.jpg
Best picture ever!
Wait a minute, that's not too impressive for Penryn... Considering....
Core 2 Extreme QX6800 runs at 2.93Ghz
and the Penryn(Quad) is running at 3.33Ghz
If the Penryn was running at the same speed as the QX6800 or vice versa
and they got the same scores as currently posted, then yeah I'd get real excited, but..c'mon it's running at a clock speed advantage already!
Quad will clock higher and run cooler at the same clocks...which is reason enough for majority of Kents/Clovertown owners to switch to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbox997
Perkam
^^ :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraful
Yes, true, and also all the other benefits from the die shrink. However I was speaking on Clock per Clock advantages over Conroe, I was expecting a littleQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
more.
As in, yes the Penryn Quard core did get a higher benchmark score then the Quad core Conroe, but that's because it was already clocked higher to
begin with, I'd like to see a clock per clock comparison...I should work the numbers but I'm about to leave somewhere so maybe someone will beat
me to it or I'll do it when I come back.
2.93ghz = 10408
3.33ghz= 12881
If, I don't make a mistake this bench isn't optimised for sse4Quote:
Originally Posted by turbox997
12881*2.93/3.33 = 11333. It's about 9% better than qx6800 on an even not sse4 bench at same clock.
Exactly, even on a non SSE4 workset it is demonstrating %8-9 higher IPC. And on top of that, it will have a sizeable clockspeed advantage due to much better thermals allowing Intel to clock them higher at lower voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
What about that isn't impressive?
We've known since Intel's IDF 2006 slides that Penryn was just a die shrink...nehalem will be the architecture revision.
Perkam
Agreed, but there was also all this hype and fluff that got me excited about it performing 15% or so per clock, oh well, now that the numbers were worked out, 8-9% does it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
:up:
Alrite, alrite, I spoke too soon, now that with the numbers worked and considering that it is in fact a non SSE4 optimized benchmark, then yes, I'm satisfied. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by iterations
You 've probably miss some infos:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...03-28-2007#370
That's false, as Intel's April 2007 IDF slides make quite clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Nehalem is a new architecture, but Penryn is more than a die shrink.
SSE4, super-shuffle engine, larger caches, better load/store reordering, faster division, faster official FSB support, etc.
A die shrink does not give you increased IPC.
Obviously we'll reserve final judgments on Penryn for our official review of the CPU, but these initial results look very promising. We would expect to see clock for clock Penryn vs. Conroe improvements to be in the 5 - 10% range at minimum depending on the application.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2972&p=3
Why is it that Intel release their results of unreleased processors and people still firmly buy their current CPUs but AMD won't show a thing except meaningless information with the apparent reason being that it would kill sales of current lineup.... Really hoping K10 doesn't suck against Penryn...
My point was on expectations.
June 20th, 2006:
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/9...roadmap8nq.png
Perkam
Since, they have done more than a die shrink as said march 28 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...03-28-2007#370
But even in 2006 slide I dont understand shrink/derivative as only shrink.
:shrug:
(Looks at picture, drools, shorts out keyboard, pants explode out the front, and that ain't easy at 55!)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Hi Charles, How you doing? :kissbutt: :buddies: :sofa:
Ahh, am I being too obvious?:shrug:
Hey guys? Where the hell do you get Cinebench 10? I just see 9.5.
I want to see how the clovers compare to these new monsters.:eek:
Actually MM, two E5355s in a V8 system would be a monster...this is just plain insanity in terms of leaps ahead.
Perkam
this is only one benchmark as well. who knows how good this thing will do in gaming? but the fact that it will clock higher is reason enough to be happy.
Yes, just want to see how much it blows away my 2-X5350's at 3200mhz..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Can't find Cinebench 10 that they used for that demo..Just 9.5..
Any leads anyone?
well I hope he didn't touch those fbdimm's to check how cool the cpu's are...Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
16GB of fbdimm, that's + 100W powerconsumption....
nice system though, but my bucks will go for the new RD790 with dual 1207 for sure. price/performance/power consumption ratio will be much better.
@movieman isn't cinebench2003 the same as 10?
Gaming is fine too, but there's a reason I invited MM here ;) ... I don't want to be telling my friends "Dude !! I'm playing Alan Wake with two Quad Core 3ghz processors !!! It's so smooth"
:shakes:
Perkam
And if they can't?Quote:
Originally Posted by XeRo
Running benchmarks to show Intel is superior is something Intel WOULD LOVE!!! At this point...Intel should just run and publish every benchmark and make AMD put up or shut up. If AMD responds and wins a few, Intel will still make plenty of $$$$, or start a price war. If AMD doesn't, free advertisement and just more publicity for the better chip (but, it might cannibalize CNR/KFD sales)
Perhaps you could try info_de@maxon.net ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Yep.., it's hard not to like Intel lately. They've been so straightforward.
Closed beta.Quote:
Can't find Cinebench 10 that they used for that demo..Just 9.5..
Any leads anyone?
"The new MAXON CINEBENCH R10 will not become publicaly available as a beta. You will have to wait for the release of the final version.
Shouldn't take to long though.
Cheers
Björn"
They changed the rendering scene though:
http://www.gamestar.de/_misc/img/det...849629060976##
Cinebench 2003 is Cinebench 8 AFAIK.Quote:
isn't cinebench2003 the same as 10?
That is the last thing AMD should do!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by XeRo
In a time before K7 AMD used sandbagging strategy that made Intele beleve that K7 won't go beyond 600 MHz
In a time before K8 same aproach was used (some of us still remember some preliminary tests of K8 couple of months before finall version. It looked like K8 sudenlly overnight gone form 800 MHz to 2 GHz!).
So far sandbagging proved good for AMD. Thee's no reason to think diferent in a case of K10.
And this intel strategy is so expected. You know guys this thing that these companies are doing is written in the management school books, and it's not hot water!
Only thing different from the past times and now is the pressure form the vastly expanded public on the Net, and Intel knows that and its' using it's army of fanboys to hit up atmosphere!
It's just like in a sports one team is using its position in a game, and public energy in effort of not allowing opposing team counteroffensive.
All this marketing gimmicks is irrelevant. In Q3 when K10 is out we'll se the reall state of things!
beer
Makes me want a Penryn bad :D
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Originally Posted by Vapor
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Originally Posted by Nedjo
Well said. :clap: AMD is quiet. Perhaps too quiet and I definitely agree with the "sandbagging" concept.
Anyone have an idea of overall Power Consumption of the entire system?
Is it really 100W for that 16gig of ram?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :shakes: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
you better sell your car :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/...=172643,00.gif
My personal rig,
Qx6700 @ 333*10
EVGA 680i'mfreekingslowperclock
OCZ VX2 @ 1066 cas 4-4-4
XP Pro 64 bit
Penryn is 1.07% faster
http://www.sspmustang.com/OT/qx6700/...-cb95-run1.PNG
http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/intel_penryn2/2.shtml
Why is it that Yorkfield is around 25% better than Kentsfield in 9.5 and 10? No SSE4? Only thing I can derive is that Penryn scales better in 10 (though Kentsfield has bigger advantage in 10 vs dual core Penryn), so we can say it's more thread friendly or less bandwidth intensive?
I can't wait to see some benching of penryn overclocked. If it overclocks as well as Conroe then we could see some intense speeds and results. I'll probably get one on launch, they are expected in early 2008 correct?
Penryn isnt 25% better, it is at most 5-10% better depending on ram speed used and chipset.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
I meant on a raw basis, the quad Penryn@3.33 is around 25% better than the Kentsfield@2.93 in both benches which would seem strange as I would think Intel would push for SSE4 in a bench that they seem to quite like to show off. Maybe newer revisions of C10 will change that..
That just shows that 400mhz on cpu matters alot in Cinebench! I have no dobut that a Penryn isn't but ~7% faster than a Kents at the same clockspeeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
You can see in CPUZ that 3333 for me is still stock voltage(although the limit of quad prime stability), so I would be more concerned about if Penryn can bench 3dmark @ 4100 mhz on great air or water :)(essentially the dual core speeds!)
Hey, yes you are right I finally got a real great Intel Build that works 100% and I am very impressed and retract all of my former statements that I have made against the new Intel Platforms! This current build is awesome and I have yet tio really lean on it and crank up the juice and as of yet I get 3.6ghz on the E6600 and I can only imagine what it would be like with some DDR2 1200MHZ Team XTREME to bad its being sold but Overclocked and yes its that stable and a solid performer finally I guess 3 times the Charm hey gents?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
EVGA 680i A1
Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.2GHZ X8 multi~ QDR 1600 ~ 1T
Zalman 9700
2gb OCZ DDR2 800 OCZ Plats Rev 2 4-4-4-12 subs 3-16-4-8 7.8us @ 2.1v
Corsair Domminator Ram Cooler
EVGA 7900 GT KO Superclocked
Zalman VF900 LED VGA COOLER
2~80gb Hitachi Sata II Raid 0
PC-Power & Cooling 610w
ThermalTake Armor Extreme Full Tower Case
Sexy.
And that last picture with the AMD building in the mirror is cute. I see what they did there!
Stop with the exclamation marks (stop yelling, it just makes you seem rude).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
English term is "spinning wheel", not hot water like in EE.Quote:
and it's not hot water!
Speaking of which, Nedjo is a local AMD employee, so pass the salt, please.Quote:
Only thing different from the past times and now is the pressure form the vastly expanded public on the Net, and Intel knows that and its' using it's army of fanboys to hit up atmosphere!
that explains a thing or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
Whether Penryn is that much faster than C2Q isnt that important for me. But I like the way Intel presents new benches of upcomming CPUs a lot more than AMDs "no benches until NDA is over, which is the day of release". Makes me get the impression that AMD knows how slow their stuff is compared to Intel's. Of course it can the the whole opposite of that, but AMD's "we dont say a word"- attitude might not be the best marketing strategie.
The Penryn benches look promising. Now lets hope it doesnt coldbug that early..
great! but @ 1/8-cores, 8-cores or 80-cores we're still limited by storage speed :rolleyes:
caravan/horse vs Formula 1 thats where storage vs all other pc components performance is/was/hopefully not forever
Storage is not improving the transfer rates because most of the time it is less important; the seek times are, as soon as we hit mid-budget market (read: even Raptor vs. any other SATA).
If you want speedy storage there are options that surpass any speeds the RAM can handle (24GB/s). You guessed it - the cost is in the millions range.
I have just undestand that V8 was harpertown. I was fool by the Q6800 and I have missed that was FB-Dimm... I was thinking it was something like 4x4 with ddr2. So they should have done a comparison with dual-xeon board?
So what is really new in this V8? This is only a dual-cpu configuration?
...with penryn Xeon (harpertown)
V8 is currently nothing but a sticker on current workstation setups. Instant product so to say, no development etc needed. But its a glimmer product. Nothing useful, unless you already shopped a workstation and got the sticker as an addon.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
Thats right. New mobo just for elite-desktop market and presumably based around the new chipset is what they are marketing with theese numbers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Hopefully the boards will not be a more expensive than current server boards and that we will see other mobo makers producing it not just Asus.:yepp:
I have to laugh when I read comments like this. Nothing usefull you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Computational power beyond any quad single socket gaming or workstation that exists.
I'm telling you straight, you guys have to work with one of these to appreciate just how much power they really have.
Just a little comparison for you to think on:
Over at HWBOT, the highest score I saw on Sisoftsandra math test app 2 months ago was just over 81,000.That was on a Kentsfield on LN2 at just under 5000mhz.
I decided to run it just for laughs to see what would happen.
I mean a dual clover at everyday 24/7 full load speeds. No OS tweaks, nothing special, stock win2K3 server ent 64 bit.
The result: 119,000+
Asus really isn't into this as yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
The best boards seem to be supermicro and tyan so far.
I really wish they were cheaper to build. I'd love to see all you guys with one.
Just incredible machines to work with.
Only read the first page and the numbers look good, but one thing bothers me. AMD haven't leaked any benches that show that the K10 is clock for clock faster than the K8. And this is something they should have been able to do, even if only half the revisions in architecture worked.
So unless K10 is nothing but 2 K8's bolted together, what have we seen really?
I think the answer is we really have to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
My "guess" is that AMD ran into a problem that they are working on and will fix given some time. That is the only logical conclusion I can come to as if things were all rosy they'd have brought out a dual socket system at at least 2500mhz at Computex to rival what Intel is showing.
We're they the big guy and not the little guy I could see them playing head games but not in their position.
They simply can't afford financially to play games here so I assume there is some sort of problem they are working on.
Damn I'm so tempted to build a 2s comp, always have been... But there was almost no excuse for building one untill now.
They are SO irrationaly "needed":D
With all the encoding, crunching and bloated software to come, I mean ofcourse! :D
Must hype myself some more!
I agree with that assumption. The AMD slides' perofrmance estimates are probably what they are aiming for, but the results of the cinebench is probably what the current status is, they probably encountered some big issue and haven't been able to fix them.
Here's a good irrational use for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
I imagine at some time you've extracted a 700MB avi Xvid rarset?
How about FOUR seconds!
I swear! I sat here and laughed when I saw the speed.
I keep trying to get across how good these machines are.
I know it sounds like I'm bragging but thats not my purpose.
I really would love to see a lot of you guys working with one of these.
Sheet, I'm 55 and they get me excited. Imagine what they'd do to one of the 20 somethings here.
Poor guy would be walking around with wet shorts every day!:D
And here I was thinking you were going to offer me a job doing PR work for Intel.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by FLG_Poncho
No selling needed with this one. It sells itself.
If I was Intel I'd set up a fleet of 20-30 vans, put a dual 771 at 3000 in each and send them around the country.
The sales would go sky high.
Seeing is beleiving.
You'd laugh more if you knew that decompression does not use multiple cores. (I'm laughing now ;-)
So you were lucky with the RAR set. Consider this... 700MB x2 = 1400MB in 4 seconds = 250 MB/s - now does that tell you something?
Like you were limited at most by your controller?
The RAR set was set to "Store" for sure, not really compressed.
I'm not trying to bash you, but this has no rationale ;-)
I LIKE DP machines though! Compressing is for sure faster!
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Originally Posted by Movieman
Not a clue how you did that, it was probably the non-CPU parts that are loud. The bloody chipset and FBDIMMs get too hot :(
But even during the summer now (and I don't turn on the A/C because I prefer it that way), I don't need any extra cooling for my dual 35W Xeon system than what TT Kandalf provides (there was no time and no reasonable way to get a better chassis at the time here :(
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Originally Posted by FLG_Poncho
Interesting. My point was I'd never seen that size rarset extract that fast and I mean no where near that fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
I know you and will defer the technical part to your knowledge but can you understand my amazement at seeing that happen in that timeframe?
I use one of those Zalman FB123 92mm mid speed fans and the included bracket($9.00 from newegg) and it keeps the 4x1 gig cool at 350mhz, cool enough to touch the buffer chip.)Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
I'm on the other end at almost 144w at 3157mhz..
In a 70F room I can maintain 59-61C at full load 24/7
Let the room temps go to 76F and the cpu's go to 67-69C
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Originally Posted by Movieman
Its useless in the form that if you want such a platform its already there as a workstation. Its a double product, one with a V8 sticker, one without. Else its the same thing.
Absolutely 100% correct. They are just trying to introduce this dual socket workstation setup in a slick case to attract another potential part of the buying public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
What I do think is missed by many people is that this platform loses a lot of the "problems" that previous dual socket xeons had and it's the C2D architecture that does it.]
In previous generations the server boards lacked so much but now they are very close to the high end gaming boards that you can effectively game on this system and you also have that incredible computational power that the single socket can't touch.
Here's an example of some of what I'm trying to say:
In August 2005 I built a 3600/2mb/800 dual xeon system, all the best parts and "state of the art" at that time.
When I ran SP1M on it I got 32s when the gamers were getting 21-22s
With this clover at 3270 I ran 15.562s in SP1M when the gamers are running in the high 11-13S range...Not that far off.
The duals have come a long way in the 22 month timespan between those 2 systems.
I sure can. Frankly, I had the exact same amazement some weeks ago;-) That's how I "know" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Ye, I have a super quiet 120mm and the chips are not even warm, but still they need some cooling :( Going off topic, but I'm considering some TT Cyclo or similar coolers :DQuote:
I use one of those Zalman FB123 92mm mid speed fans and the included bracket($9.00 from newegg) and it keeps the 4x1 gig cool at 350mhz, cool enough to touch the buffer chip.)
Not bad for a quadcore. (50*C on my cores is an alarm bell except for 95*F room temps ;-)Quote:
I'm on the other end at almost 144w at 3157mhz.. In a 70F room I can maintain 59-61C at full load 24/7 Let the room temps go to 76F and the cpu's go to 67-69C
@MM, dude you are realy making my mouth water, talking so dirty about your setup! :D
I really can't wait to see how hardware parts will develop in the next few months, then if I could get a good deal on parts will build a WC one on my tech station! :D
Done right, you can be on air at 3000..above 3300 I think water is a must.Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
Now these are clovers, with 8mb cache, imagine the Harpertowns with 12mb cache and 1600FSB.
JEEZ, I'm starting to sound like a 16 year old fanboy!:rofl:
you also should look how fast his machine crunching.... :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
gotta love that :clap:
http://www.boincstats.com/stats/boin...b1a72531262f07
Oh I know:cool: :cool:
But for performance sake I'm also hoping his "alleged\possible Barcelona scores" prove to be true :)
yeah... that 3rd rank processor on the list. looks phenomenaly fast for brisbane or windsor. wonder what amd uArch was that. time will tell..
Thank you. Now if I only knew someone with some skills in adjusting a bios ..Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
You wouldn't happen to know anyone with those skills would you?:D