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Well this all but confirms that X38 DOES indeed support DDR2. With this news, I will probably wait for the X38 over the P35 as long as the X38 doesn't get released way too far down the line.
Dual x16 PCIE2.0's... talk about not only future-proofing but also possibly sli support with hacked drivers... (or maybe intel and nvidia work together closer now)
DFI launching a good X38 board near x38s initial launch?!! WOW, not 6 months late this time around :) Hopefully it will be a better board than their x975.
yeah, i think ill wait for the X38 aswell.
i really hope for their sake they are not late to the market again :)
According to their latest slides, this should have full Crossfire support, but no SLI. Expect this baby to be released late August or early September. See my quote.
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Originally Posted by L1m1t.NL
:eek: :up: :)
Presenting a pre-production sample doesn't mean that the public will be able to buy it at X38 launch :D
On-topic now...digital PWM...fire in the hole anybody ? :D
From what I can see on the board there is 8 fan connectors.
3 of which are 4 pin.
2 of which are next too two of the x16 PCI-E slots.
So graphics card fan control through the BIOS maybe?
8 SATA ports - yellow im guessing are e-SATA
Im guessing that big gap at the back where the USB ports are and stuff will be for that bloody Karajan audio thing.
They're not the same type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron
And it could be 'dangerous' for 'hardware amateurs'.
Now, if you'd like to control your graphics cards' fan, just change the plug on your own ;)
Internal Connectors being e-SATA ? Erm...I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron
If they were e-SATA you'd find them in the rear side of the mobo on the I/O Panel :D
Friendly,
BZ
Yeah I saw the 8 sata as a good thing.
That's a Realtek audio chip though, right? Not that I care much about onboard audio since I never use it, but I'd have preferred ADI to Realtek. No worries really just a minor point.
Given the very low vdroop on the Asus P35 board (and that might even get better on a high end X38), I'm seeing a race on as to whether the digital pwm is better than the Asus design. Hopefully as normal, competition benefits the end users :)
Variable fan control for gpu's would be nice, but quite often to get good oc's fan controls have to be disabled in the bios, so not sure if I'd actually "use" that or not, even though I do have fans aimed at the gpu.
Looks like very good news, imo, because I don't think DDR3 is fully cooked enough and I have been hoping the X38 would use DDR2 for a while yet.
:) thank you for this news!
the mobo is great
Has allot of PCI classic slots..two of which are still free even with crossfire, which is sadly a very very good thing to this day.
i like the no parrallel and serial.... but the ram slots arnt far enough across
an IHS on the NB, that's a nice touch, and such a big gap in the back? I can't see the plug for the audio module, maybe they'll put sth else there? :confused:
My Cisco router hardly agrees with that :D :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
no ICH10R???
-tam2-
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Originally Posted by BenchZowner
lol, you flash git :D .. serial to usb convertor?
e-SATA are for external hard disc, they are also not "L" shaped inside but "l" shaped inside. So having e-SATA inside is rather useless. What were you thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron
It's probably 2 SATA ports that are controlled by another chip individual of the other one. To sort out the problem that not all SATA optical drives can be used when the south bridge RAID option is enabled. Like their ICFX3200 mobo.
Looks very tasty. I wonder if that void at the rear I/O area will be filled by some heatpipe/heatsink monstrosity? Bring on Computex
very, very good point / question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Booj
i think i see two little (white in the picture) holes in the gap. maybe some pins for cooling units go there.
very nice!
:bravo::bravo::bravo:
Those are floppy power connectors dude ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron
Who cares about X38 though, bring on the RD790 board :D:D
like what's been posted.. i hope it launches on time.. i like more choices :D
Nice looking board. Perfect layout except for the ram too close to the 1st pci-e slot.
According to VR-Zone (first post) it will use Heatpipes so for those that don't like Heatpipes look elsewhere for X38...Quote:
Originally Posted by Booj
It's good that they use a heat pipe because if it were seperate sinks, DFI would have used hooks again which is a pain.
Good for watercoolers like me, just hope a TR-09 sink will fit the mosfets.
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Computex 2007: DFI LANPARTY X38-T2R Board
DFI will be showcasing their LANPARTY X38-T2R board over at Computex next week along with their ATI RD790 based LP RD790-M2R board. Both motherboards are creation of two dedicated and top-notch DFI engineers: Oskar and Jarry. Initially DFI will release Intel X38 chipset based board with support for DDR2 only, because of the highly priced DDR3 modules. Another LANPARTY X38-T3R board that supports DDR3 memories will come later. The DFI LANPARTY X38-T2R/T3R boards also support Core 2 Duo/Quad processors with 1333MHz FSB, two x16 PCIe slots for dual graphics + one x4 slot for GPU physics, 8-Phase Digital PWM and special heatpipe cooling for PWM, MCH and ICH.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-06...I-X38m_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-06-03/dfi2og4_thm.jpg
Source: VR-Zone
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=32263
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nice board, i just hope they dont put ihs' on the northbridges of all the production boards
Successor of the 975X, just waiting to see its performance!!
It looks like this new Chip7 will run very hot, around 60 degrees, lets wait for some fancy new heatpipe cooling system.
http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...31/X38-MCH.jpg
AT least DFI is not late like it was with 965P and 680i chipsets.
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I see 7 onboard fan headers and onboard switches like Striker Extreme had...
ANd there is a fan header for NB fan, so it will be easy to ditch useless heatpipes (I doubt they would prove effective).
Performance will probably be on par with P35, just with more PCI express lanes.
I just hope it doesn't cost $300.
Better performance I think, 975X has better performance than 965.Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
The price may be:eek:
Regards
Yay a new DFI LANParty mobo! :D
That's flawed methodology. Just because it's a successor to an certain chipset is not indicative to a proportional performance increase verses some ambiguous chipset. There's nothing better than side-by-side comparisons before determining anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra7or
Besides, everything i've seen says the X38 is nothing more than P35 with dual 16X PCI-E 2.0 and the removal of "overspeed protection", whatever that means.
I think X38 NB will all have the IHS, it seems logical...it actually looks kinda cool. I do hope that the mobo makers don't use crappy pads or paste for the TIM. Why can't someone cut a deal with Arctic Silver and develop a method to deliver and controlled amount of TIM to each IHS at the manufacturing stage?
Personally i think the extravagant heatpipes on the Gigabyte P35 series were also intended for the X38...it makes sense to make a one-size-fits-all design.
Make it beefy for the X38 but overblown for the P35, saves time and costs.
As long as the heat pipes aren't like Gigabyte's crazy cool, that has the stupid piece of copper underneath the CPU socket, that makes it impossible to mount a big HS/F unless you take off the Crazy Cool thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
You just take the Crazycool of...it's not hard, i like the crazy heatpipes and cooling they've used....hell i'd like to see more :-)
I'll bet $5 the heatpipe design for the X38-DQ6 will be the same as the P35-DQ6.
an IHS on the NB is cool.... I love that.
no more worrying about uneven pressure if you use a NB waterblock...
and NO HOOKS....
when was the last time DFI launched a top of the line board, with no damn Hooks for the NB? however long its been, its been way too long.
holes, are the only way to go.
it looks like a damn good board already.
agreed... this is going to be my next board, im going to skip p35.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
I've not owned a DFI since the good ol' NforceII Infinity and the 2500+ m :D ... infact thats still in my loft :rofl:
That is your opinion, but I dont see any reviews to this chip7, in my opinion is what is more predictable for high-end chip7. If I am wrong, I dont know lets wait to see.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
Regards:up:
I'll be very interested to see their cooling setup for the board, especially the PWM
I hope as well that this comes out on time.
But I'll be waiting for the next chipset that Intel comes out with, or the 790, depending on which chip company is better in 1H '08
in ddr2 , this mobo isn t very different from the dfi nf680i lt
Any word if those are PCIE 2.0 slots? Not a huge difference but would make wiring cleaner when 2.0 cards launch.
i believe all x38's are to be pcie 2.0
I agree with Kuunak, the man who puts hooks on these boards needs to burn in hell.
I hope DFI will be back for good with this mobo. Back to good old stuff.
Hmmm, upgrade my P965-S Infinity or stay with it...choices :mad: Looks good, hopefully they'll dump the heatpipe contraption (just like their 680 LT board).
Brendan
all we need is full fan cooling on the NB and SB then ill buy it. i could care less about noise but cooling and "cleanness" are essential to me.
the only drawback is the placement of RAM slots so close to the first PCIe 16x slot..........it means you will have to remove the GFX card every time you change the RAM....that sucks
i also hope they improve the digital PWM because after seeing some fried boards recently from a few different manufacturers it doesn't inspire confidence.....hipro5 doesn't seem to think they can handle high loads well at all :(
very nice board.
digital VRM = :thumbsdown:
Hopefully with 8-phases that will be enough to handle high load without extreme heat.
I want LanParty P35-T2R, I want it now. Where is it, it's June already. I won't be able to survive till August to get X38-T2R. Any info on P35-T2R? I will be playing Conroe and don't want to use Asus or other motherboards, I only trust DFI when overclocking.
This is fabulous news! I am really glad to see that D.F.I will be coming to the plate on time instead of 8 months behind everyone else, I was really starting to worry about them going under with their recent track record.
I don't see any header for the audio module... looks like they dropped Karajan?!
That gap in the I/O is probably reserved for some large heatpipe monstrosity :(
lol...P35 came out in 2007...so don't wait up for it from DFI until next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by need.for.mhz
You have much to learn about DFI, young grasshopper...think DFI Dark ;)
Perkam
And when X38 came out?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
~ 2010 :d:d
DFI has bad time releasing. No wonder if that appears in middle 2008.
Sad it is always late.
I´m definently going to buy this board..
must have.... must have :slobber:
I hate digi pwm :(
LOL!!!!:rofl:Quote:
You have much to learn about DFI, young grasshopper...think DFI Dark
e-sata ports on the motherboard that aren't external are "L"(the port is where the other SATA ports and not with the I/O panel stuff). E-sata brackets will have a cable with an "L" side to plug into the motherboard and an "I" plug on the external part. Almost every e-sata enclosure is packaged with this kind of bracket. AFAIK e-sata "compatable" sata mobo ports only differ in terms of their power requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by hixie
Look at the xbx2's red colored sata plug. Its designated as e-sata.
hey,i'm a noob here. What's difference bettween digital and analog pwm?
I think these guys answer your question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
http://powerelectronics.com/digital_...ower_qa041706/
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Bob White
Staff Engineer
Artesyn Technologies
"There are two reasons to use digital instead of analog in a given application: it costs less or can do something valuable that cannot be done in analog. Cost is an open question. However, there are some clear opportunities to add value in digital PWM that are difficult or impossible in analog. One possibility is tuning control loops to their loads by GUI rather than by soldering iron.
Another is adaptive control loops that adjust their compensation ’on the fly’ to maintain optimum performance over dynamically changing conditions. As soon as the IC suppliers offer such devices with only a 10% to 20% price penalty, power designers will start making the switch. However, I do expect digital and analog PWM to co-exist for many, many years."
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Mark Wells
Director of Marketing
Power-One
"To answer this question perhaps it is better to ask 'Are power designers prepared to stay with analog-based solutions?' Given the ever increasing demands for performance and features placed on power systems today, analog based solutions require complex, expensive and costly support circuitry to enable those features. With analog solutions there is a need for PLLs for synchronization and interleave, ADCs and a MUX for monitoring, sensing and feedback circuits for current share, a DAC for output voltage set point and margining, etc. - and all this is fixed circuitry on the board.
With a digital solution these features and many more are completely integrated into the silicon resulting in a lower cost, lower complexity, lower risk and more feature-enabled system all configurable via a standard interface. Only those who enjoy the fine art of tedious debug and engineering redesign will stay with analog-based solutions in the future."
So 8 pins PCI connector is getting more widespread huh.
Wonder if most new PSU's have two 8 pin connectors or you 'll have to chose whether one would overclock his mobo or graphic card :D
why :eek: i JUST LOVE ITQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorWang
anandtech's preview of x38 mobo's looks promising... possible late july release?
i'm so waiting for it..
We got any pics of the RD790-M2R yet? Sorry, slightly OT :p
why??Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorWang
is it not good for oc??
We have some pics of the LanParty P35-T2R and -T3R and they look very similar to the X38 LanParty motherboards.
They also feature the digital PWM, which according to the article should improve overclockability. I wonder what that hole between the I/O-connections is for? Just hope they get a good price and that they are on time... :rolleyes: Looks good though!
http://www.hardware.info/images/news...7-IMG_0418.jpghttp://www.hardware.info/images/news...7-IMG_0414.jpg
The all-new DFI LanParty P35-T2R and DFI LanParty P35-T3R (still looking for facial differences between the boards... :p: )
Link (Warning: In Dutch!)
So the DFI LP P35 does exist..
Maybe DFI will finally surprise us with a timely release? What else could they be working on? It's not like anything has/is/will be happening on the AMD side for a while.
I better stop dreaming so much...
Since I own the DFI LP 680i board which uses similar Digi PWM and it's hotter than hades, I expect that the gap in the I/O plate is for some kind of cooling... perhaps a small fan or for heatpipes that will extend out the rear of the case?!Quote:
Originally Posted by L1m1t.NL
I'll be surprised if they can pull off an effective passive cooling system with this and especially X38 which is supposed to run hotter. I say this because the 680i board I have requires active cooling for the PWM alone and if you are trying to "pipe" the SB and NB heat over there, you're asking for smoke IMHO.