AMD showcases 45 nm silicon!!!

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05-09-2007, 03:36 PM
informal

AMD showcases 45 nm silicon!!!

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By Wolfgang Gruener
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Monterey (CA) – At an event held in Monterey today, AMD showed a wafer with “fully functional” 45 nm silicon for the first time.

According to chief technology officer Phil Hester, the 300 mm wafer code-named “Typhoon”, shown in public for the first time today, holds 45 nm dies combining SRAM and logic. The executive said that AMD’s 45 nm process is on track and recent notes from Intel that AMD is facing yield issues “are rubbish” and “wishful thinking on their side”.

The 300 mm wafers with 45 nm structures are expected to ramp in production at the end of 2007. First 45 nm processors are expected to be commercially available by mid of 2008.[edited the original news due to obvious typo]
More details tome come.

Link:http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31974/135/

It seems 45nm is good to go mid 2008 :)
05-09-2007, 03:47 PM
breakfromyou

wtf? wheres K10 already. this is pissing me off.
05-09-2007, 03:49 PM
XeRo

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Originally Posted by breakfromyou

wtf? wheres K10 already. this is pissing me off.

AMD is going to surprise us on May 14th and launch R600 with K10?:rolleyes:
05-09-2007, 03:50 PM
[XC] hipno650

It seems 45nm is good to go mid 2008 :)[/QUOTE]

but r600 was good to go last Christmas:stick: and k10 has been good to go for a while now.

come on amd lets get the k10 out before you worry about next gen stuff.

but i hope 45nm is on track as with intel putting on the heat they might need it sooner than 2008
05-09-2007, 03:55 PM
informal

"Oh ye of little faith!" :p:
05-09-2007, 03:59 PM
Shadowmage

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Originally Posted by breakfromyou

wtf? wheres K10 already. this is pissing me off.

You do know that development of chips and processes start many years in advance, right?
05-09-2007, 04:00 PM
nn_step

completely unsurprising, Intel spreading fud about AMD... novel :rolleyes:
05-09-2007, 04:15 PM
metro.cl

i wonder were will AMD make this chips, couse AFAIK TMSC, Chartered, UMC dont have 45nm process ready to go
05-09-2007, 04:17 PM
XeRo

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

i wonder were will AMD make this chips, couse AFAIK TMSC, Chartered, UMC dont have 45nm process ready to go

Most likely at Intel fabs.:D
05-09-2007, 04:22 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

i wonder were will AMD make this chips, couse AFAIK TMSC, Chartered, UMC dont have 45nm process ready to go

Chartered will be the most likely candidate.First shipments will come from AMD in Q2 '08 probably(at the earliest)

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Originally Posted by XeRo

Most likely at Intel fabs.:D

Mkay.Go away.
05-09-2007, 04:24 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by XeRo

Most likely at Intel fabs.:D

not even a snowflakes chance in hell

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

i wonder were will AMD make this chips, couse AFAIK TMSC, Chartered, UMC dont have 45nm process ready to go

Fab 36
05-09-2007, 04:32 PM
tam2

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First 45 nm processors are expected to be commercially available by mid of 2008

Here's an idea, straight to 45 nm, and skip K10
yep, that'll do

-tam2-
05-09-2007, 04:46 PM
xmax

What usually takes 2-2½ years they're gonna do in 1½, thats certainly unprecedented in recent decades.
05-09-2007, 05:15 PM
Carfax

Amd need to take advantage of the 45nm process as much as possible and tweak the K10 design to the max for it to remain competitive with Intel's Nehalem.
05-09-2007, 05:18 PM
dinos22

WOW AMD showing off a wafer :slap:
05-09-2007, 05:29 PM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

i'm glad amd is keeping things interesting, first with k10 revisions scaling much higher to compete with penryn, and hopefully a 45nm refresh of k10 to compete with nehalem.

i'm excited for both companies :D.
05-09-2007, 05:39 PM
Anemone

This isn't about faith. AMD needs to have these new competitive chips to sell. All this "we'll have 45nm too" and "we've got these working in the lab" aren't worth anything if you can't buy the stuff.

You think mid 2008? I'd bet that while you saw a working chip now, you'll be hitting the end of 2008 wondering what's taking them so long with 45nm. They had 65nm working chips 1.5 years before they started selling them too.

sheesh
05-09-2007, 05:41 PM
Omastar

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Originally Posted by dinos22

WOW AMD showing off a wafer :slap:

Almost as cool as when they demo'd Barcelona running Windows Task Manager.
05-09-2007, 05:50 PM
mstp2009

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Originally Posted by Omastar

Almost as cool as when they demo'd Barcelona running Windows Task Manager.

He he.

Yeah, that's a tough one to "live down".
05-09-2007, 05:59 PM
Emerica

I really hope that AMD can get back in the game with 45nm tech. it would suck from them to go under and Intel to have no competition.
05-09-2007, 06:52 PM
dinos22

stupid PR from both companies
05-09-2007, 07:11 PM
breakfromyou

we've all been waiting for "barcelona" or K8L/K10/whatever for how long?!

Intel shows off 45nm, comes out with several new processors, AMD shows K10 running task manager, then this 45nm crap? who cares! i mean...that is great and all, but they need to show off Barcelona already. Somebody leak some ES benches or something. I have no patience left.

May 14th? you serious? no? :(
05-09-2007, 07:14 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by dinos22

stupid PR from both companies

As much as I want k10 to launch and AMD to ramp to 45nm and become competitive again, Penryn isn't stupid PR.

Perkam
05-09-2007, 09:21 PM
Shintai

So they finally reached what Intel did a year ago. Next step will be a prototype CPU I guess.

45nm In 2008? Then it gonna be like 65nm in 2006...
05-09-2007, 09:50 PM
ted3

Intels first 45nm SRAM: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...060125comp.htm
January 25th, 2006. Thats almost 2 years from first SRAM till 45nm CPUs can be bought, i doubt AMD can do it much faster so im not going to be exited quite yet.
05-09-2007, 10:37 PM
frankR

AMD needs to get IBM backing them on their fab tech.
05-09-2007, 11:26 PM
Fred_Pohl

FWIW, Intel showed the first "fully functional" 45nm wafers in January 2006.

Edit: Damb... Ted3 beat me to it.
05-09-2007, 11:33 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by frankR

AMD needs to get IBM backing them on their fab tech.

umm IBM is one of AMD's process partners
05-09-2007, 11:39 PM
Warship

Cute, but can the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: fly?
05-09-2007, 11:41 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Warship

Cute, but can the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: fly?

only after being thrown :p:
05-10-2007, 12:38 AM
Afterburner

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

i wonder were will AMD make this chips, couse AFAIK TMSC, Chartered, UMC dont have 45nm process ready to go

Chartered. Remember my couple of posts mentioning their expansion of Module B. The speed at which the contractors were buidling it was astouding. By now the OHTs (Overhead Tranporters) are fully functional and almost 3/4 of the equipment needed would at be their allocated locations. Chartered/AMD is serious about 45nm production and its no surprise that AMD is Chartered's biggest customer. I wouldnt be surprised if AMD was funding the expediting of Module B..... ;)
05-10-2007, 01:00 AM
adamsleath

:yawn2:

is the first barcelona quads in opterons? like very soon 2007,
...then desktop phenom crapola early 2008?

amd talk about releasing a "tsunami" of new stuff...but that's more like 2008 isn't it?

..but i thought new amd opterons this year :confused: actually i have no idea what's going on at all :yawn:

"ahem; i have a theory: dinosaurs were thin at one end, big and fat in the middle, and thin at the other end. that is my theory." :)
05-10-2007, 12:24 PM
Flak Monkey

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Originally Posted by ted3

Intels first 45nm SRAM: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...060125comp.htm
January 25th, 2006. Thats almost 2 years from first SRAM till 45nm CPUs can be bought, i doubt AMD can do it much faster so im not going to be exited quite yet.

That's true but this is SRAM and logic.
05-10-2007, 12:53 PM
metro.cl

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Originally Posted by Afterburner

Chartered. Remember my couple of posts mentioning their expansion of Module B. The speed at which the contractors were buidling it was astouding. By now the OHTs (Overhead Tranporters) are fully functional and almost 3/4 of the equipment needed would at be their allocated locations. Chartered/AMD is serious about 45nm production and its no surprise that AMD is Chartered's biggest customer. I wouldnt be surprised if AMD was funding the expediting of Module B..... ;)

According to Chartered they will have a 45nm fab ready by Q3 2007 for genenral prod. For low power on Q1 2007, but that is distant from working CPU samples ready to market
05-10-2007, 01:01 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Flak Monkey

That's true but this is SRAM and logic.

Intels had logic too. You simply need some logic for control and such. So their first wafer came from IBM to help their image. Now they release their first home made one. With 65nm still ramping I dont see 45nm anytime soon from AMD....
05-10-2007, 01:04 PM
Shintai

Just a little sidenote for those talking about foundries. TSMC got 65 and 45nm too. But its simply not ready for CPu or even GPU grade. AMD still struggle with 65nm on their GPU.

Roughly you can say 65nm aint 65nm when comparing. Or 45nm for that matter. We already make some memory at 50nm as example. But thats lightyears from making CPUs or the simpler GPUs.
05-10-2007, 01:07 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by ted3

Intels first 45nm SRAM: http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...060125comp.htm
January 25th, 2006. Thats almost 2 years from first SRAM till 45nm CPUs can be bought, i doubt AMD can do it much faster so im not going to be exited quite yet.

AMD had their 45nm SRam within 6 months of intel...

This is just a bit different.
05-10-2007, 01:33 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by DilTech

AMD had their 45nm SRam within 6 months of intel...

This is just a bit different.

No...IBM had their 45nm within 6months of Intel. Unless AMD owns the Fishkill facility...
05-10-2007, 01:41 PM
gdogg

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Originally Posted by Shintai

No...IBM had their 45nm within 6months of Intel. Unless AMD owns the Fishkill facility...

And the xbox 360, is powered by IBM, lol I like the sounds of that enough to think about buying an xbox for a second lol.

or if you wanna hear something really funny, xbox 360, mac inside LOL.

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