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First Test DDR3 Intel Bearlake P35 Motherboard ASUS P5K3 Deluxe
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I don't understand the numbers?...you're using the ES E6850 which has a default 333FSB, correct?
Out of the memory you've tested which is the best?, and how do the benchmarks compare to DDR2 memory?
Meaning, without overclocking the CPU/FSB or memory how do the SuperPI timings match up?
Eg. use the X6800 with default 266FSB and 2.93GHz using default DDR2 memory running at 800MHz with the standard 4-4-4-12 timings.
Now run the E6850ES at default 333FSB with normal 3.00GHz clock speed, then use some low latency DDR3 memory at 800MHz with say 5-5-5-18 timings.
Basically we're trying to establish if there is any performance increase and if DDR3 is worth the changeover.
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Originally Posted by
Richard Dower
I don't understand the numbers?...you're using the ES E6850 which has a default 333FSB, correct?
Out of the memory you've tested which is the best?, and how do the benchmarks compare to DDR2 memory?
Meaning, without overclocking the CPU/FSB or memory how do the SuperPI timings match up?
Eg. use the X6800 with default 266FSB and 2.93GHz using default DDR2 memory running at 800MHz with the standard 4-4-4-12 timings.
Now run the E6850ES at default 333FSB with normal 3.00GHz clock speed, then use some low latency DDR3 memory at 800MHz with say 5-5-5-18 timings.
Basically we're trying to establish if there is any performance increase and if DDR3 is worth the changeover.
I'm comparing that now, I'm matching his clocks using cas5 & cas4. I'm sure there's a reason the traditional 3.6Ghz with 1:1 & 4:5 dividers is not shown:)
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I think a straight shootout is nesscary, say DDR3 800MHz and 1066MHz vs. DDR2 800MHz and 1066MHz.
Set the clock speeds and FSB for the CPU's the same.
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I love the images, very nicely done.
Thanks
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I think the Intel Chipset will still be Memory limited.
Only on chip memory controller will make a MASSIVE difference, not %5 or something insignificant like that.
Paying %100 price difference for %5 gain = poor economics.
Mind you, im very interested in head-head results, so i can make a decision on getting a QX6700 and sticking with this Badaxe2 for the rest of the year at least.
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Thanks a lot for the preview, a DDR2 vs DDR3 would be nice too :cool:
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AndreYang, thanks for sharing all this.
Gunnz Akimbo, limited with 700+ MHz capable memory!?
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I think a straight shootout is nesscary, say DDR3 800MHz and 1066MHz vs. DDR2 800MHz and 1066MHz.
Set the clock speeds and FSB for the CPU's the same .
yup good chance to see the nearest meduim evolvment in pc future.
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It's nice to see E-SATA coming into popularity...
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this board looks awesome, good pics too ;)
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jack u will have to pay for the HW il be doing 3D soon :p:
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Originally Posted by
Quentin
Yeah just noticed that as well. If it is 6*572 it is a huge performance increase.
Would win 32m low clock challenge with a much lower cpu speed.
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Originally Posted by
Yoxxy
Yeah just noticed that as well. If it is 6*572 it is a huge performance increase.
Would win 32m low clock challenge with a much lower cpu speed.
If it is 6*572 i will sell my DDR2 and buy DDR3 :D
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try the new cpu 1.40 says better p35 support.
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How well DDR3 responds to V and what V you running? :)
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nice ... DDR3 1400 ... thats alot of bandwidth .
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Is it me or are the RAM test pictures dead?
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Looking good. Thanks for the great pics.
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modem killer pictures lol j/k
nice pictures AndreYang :toast:
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has anyone noticed that the graphics is AGP????? whats the deal here????
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Originally Posted by
daboogas94e
has anyone noticed that the graphics is AGP????? whats the deal here????
As wrote in another 3d, that's because he used a PCI video card :)
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if that is 6x572 that's amazing performance increase :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
I WANT ONE :D
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woah that's crazy 6x572FSB and 12m 20s 32M time! :eek:
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:slobber: what a ... intel has done :eek: perf nubmer is so crazy ~25000 if we translate it to 32M results it would be enough 5ghz for new WR compared to ~5.4ghz (present one) Also I see huge boost in 1m also.
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sounds like intels am2 messup :)
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cool this will bring nice things for us in mid 08, early 09 I can see nice DDR3 costing the same as DDR2 today.
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DDR3 are too slow compared to actual DDR2. Same situation like DDR1 and DDR2 some time ago. I'm waiting for better timmings, CL7-7-7 and DDR1100 are... funny :D
But motherboard is very good, fsb over 570 is :D
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Nice numbers, but all lot of improvement needed in the future (which will happen for sure) :D
@ Andre: thanks for sharing :)
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Anyone notice that memory latency is even worse with the geil's at the higher speed and low latency as compared to the other ones with matching timings? Perhaps it's another asus+intel chipset bug like the p5b has with running trcd different? I guess the results aren't as bad as I'm sure a lot of us had been expecting, but it definitely does leave us with a lot more questions now. At least it's showing potential. If this means we can do 600fsb as the new 400fsb, with also ram at 4:5 750 or 1500 cas6, then it might not be so bad ;).
I'm assuming the memory latency jump at the 572fsb is poor due to more strap/internal latency adjustment like the p965's over 400. More testing will show!!
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Originally Posted by
momomo6789
sounds like intels am2 messup :)
Except you aren't being forced to change memory, the P35 supports DDR2 or DDR3 so you can buy whatever suits you and your budget the best.
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wonder when intel is gonna break out of the stoneages and put mch on the processor
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Originally Posted by
Lome
wonder when intel is gonna break out of the stoneages and put mch on the processor
When Nehalem hits the market in later 2008. Also they will change FSB to CSI (Common Serial Interconnect, similar to AMD´s Hypertransport)
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thanks for sharing the first results :toast: really looking forward for an one-on-one ddr2 vs. ddr3 shooutout
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Originally Posted by
Lome
wonder when intel is gonna break out of the stoneages and put mch on the processor
I'd rather have it external because of cold bug problems
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Originally Posted by
STaRGaZeR
When Nehalem hits the market in later 2008. Also they will change FSB to CSI (Common Serial Interconnect, similar to AMD´s Hypertransport)
ahh good there is hope that core wasnt just a fluke
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Originally Posted by
dinos22
I'd rather have it external because of cold bug problems
Exactly...
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Originally Posted by
Lome
wonder when intel is gonna break out of the stoneages and put mch on the processor
Of course with an IMC you then get that say DDR4 comes out it is a requirement to upgrade, where as here you get the choice.
Nothing to stop them creating an IMC with support for one memory technology, I believe that Barcelona has DDR2 and DDR3 support in one IMC, but if you look at Conroe/Kentsfield there are currently boards available that support DDR, DDR2 and soon DDR3 all with one CPU. You simply don't get that flexibility with an IMC.
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Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: :D
My bank account isn't going to like this.....
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Originally Posted by
Extera
Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: :D
My bank account isn't going to like this.....
This is worth bouncing a check:p:
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Originally Posted by
MaSell
DDR3 are too slow compared to actual DDR2. Same situation like DDR1 and DDR2 some time ago. I'm waiting for better timmings, CL7-7-7 and DDR1100 are... funny :D
But motherboard is very good, fsb over 570 is :D
Show us, how much faster you can do 32m @3400mhz with your ddr2 memory:stick: . You are speaking nonsenses, or you are not common with ddr3 standard and architecture improvements, as producers are roughly speaking cl7 ddr3 would be equal to cl5 ddr2 @same frequency ;) So when you know that, tell us, how far you have to push ddr2 to match ddr3 1430mhz 6-7-6-15 speeds :confused: Let me guess, you'll start "DDR2 800mhz club" ;)
BTW: Great pictures and tests Andre 10x for sharing them with the community, waiting 3d numbers :toast:
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700MHz+ with the very first retailing ICs?!?! :banana:
Imagine how far this thing will go... DDR3-2000+ could certainly be reachable once there's a wider selection of chips out there.
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Originally Posted by
dinos22
I'd rather have it external because of cold bug problems
You know we don't know that IMC = CB. It's just speculation.
Infact, it's worth noting that prior to D0-stepping A64s there was no coldbug.
:)
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Originally Posted by
largon
700MHz+ with the very first retailing ICs?!?! :banana:
Imagine how far this thing will go... DDR3-2000+ could certainly be reachable once there's a wider selection of chips out there. You know we don't know that IMC = CB. It's just speculation.
Infact, it's worth noting that prior to D0-stepping A64s there was no coldbug.
:)
yeah that's true 130nm AMDs didn't have that problem and even some of the newer ones 90nm were also liking the cold a lot.....i forgot that stepping that S7 had but they predominantly do especially because they are getting smaller and smaller in die size :(
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Those are some great numbers but I think I'll skip first generation ddr3 and chipsets for ddr3.
My wallet can't handle the trauma.
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Andre PLEASE clear up with us all whether that 32M run was using 6x or 7x multi
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dinos looks stressed :D :D :D
It must be 7x otherwise there would be much more attention :p: Also you can calculate latency and see that 715Mhz CL6 is not enough for such mega speed at 6x
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Originally Posted by
kiwi
dinos looks stressed :D :D :D
It must be 7x otherwise there would be much more attention :p: Also you can calculate latency and see that 715Mhz CL6 is not enough for such mega speed at 6x
i think you are right but posting such screenshot is VERY misleading without clearing it up :(
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Yep, bad screenshot :slapass: If it was that fast I'd sell my car to get DDR3 :p:
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Originally Posted by
Thorburn
Except you aren't being forced to change memory, the P35 supports DDR2 or DDR3 so you can buy whatever suits you and your budget the best.
The same board does not support both DDR2 and DDR3. There is a model of the PK5 that supports DDR2 but the model that's supports DDR3 is a different mobo. DDR2 is not pin compatible with DDR3 even though both have a 240pin layout. The keying on the memory socket has been changed on DDR3.
