A new WinXP driver leaked and it's supposed to support the 8800 Ultra (confirmation?) and pretty much every G8X card. :woot: - http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=14586&catid=3
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A new WinXP driver leaked and it's supposed to support the 8800 Ultra (confirmation?) and pretty much every G8X card. :woot: - http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=14586&catid=3
IIRC last was 101.02, that's a huge jump to 158.16... is this legit for sure? not just version number changed?
oooh... new driver to mod.
thanks. :D
damn...
this drivers 32bit only.
yes, it supports the 8800 Ultra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marduk_25
if you use one of my old driver modding guides, you can force this driver, to be used with your 8800 GTX and test the optimizations of the 8800 Ultra Driver.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ghlight=driver
same thing even for Nvidia drivers.
just manually direct the installation to the driver and ignore all "not compatible" errors and messages.
after reboot, all should be fine.
if its not, reboot in safe mode, and uninstall the driver.
like always... driver modding is done at your risk.
no one made you do it, so dont cry about it, if something goes wrong.
A g80-600 ? interesting...very interesting.
I'm waiting for r600 though.... to lower the price of the gts320 so i can get it lemow!
Fudzilla has tested the 158.16 with a 8600GTS - http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=550&Itemid=1 . Not bad results but it still needs some work.
EXACTLY what I am waiting for...Quote:
I'm waiting for r600 though.... to lower the price of the gts320 so i can get it lemow!
And what G80-200, G80-400, and G80-600 may be?
I confirm the big BOOST in 8800 series
3Dmark2005 @ BFG 8800GTS Default @ E6600 3600mhz @ forceware 97.94
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8522/9794nm0.jpg
3Dmark2005 @ BFG 8800GTS Default @ E6600 3600mhz @ forceware 158
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3861/105hx2.jpg
+1000 Marks 3dmark 2005
Couter strike Source -1680x1050 @ BFG 8800GTS Default @ E6600 3600mhz @ forceware 97.94
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9921/css9794gs7.jpg
Couter strike Source -1680x1050 @ BFG 8800GTS Default @ E6600 3600mhz @ forceware 158
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/5677/css158ug4.jpg
+ 28FPS
regards
mascaras
the fog is still there in counter strike source?
More benches 8800GTX SLI extreme resolutions.
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulle...d.php?t=358456
according to NVNews forums goers, it's fixed in these drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maf|a
These are apparently the drivers people have been waiting for. :woot:
Quote:
Nvidia driver has it A new driver confirmed new G80 chips from Nvidia. Forceware 158.16 has at least four new G80 chips we haven't seen before. The first one is G80-400, then there is a G80-200 chip and finally G80-600 is listed and the mystical one Geforce 8800 Ultra.
Most important one is the new card ID // 0194 is called NVIDIA Geforce 8800 Ultra. This new driver should really boost the performance of all G8X parts but we will let you know how fast it goes. The new driver might bring a big performance increase as well, but stay tuned for the test.
Here are the new cards.
// 0190 - NVIDIA G80-400
// 0191 - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX
// 0192 - NVIDIA G80-200
// 0193 - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
// 0194 - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra
// 0197 - NVIDIA G80-600
Also :
Quote:
We already told you that the new 158.16 driver is more or less two per cent faster or slower in games and benchmarks, but we figured out that it is also 30 per cent faster in synthetic benchmarks.
We had a chance to test a Geforce 8800 GTX at its default 575 MHz with the old 97.92 drivers. We used Nvidia's beloved GPU DIP test.
In Cell shading the 97.92 does the job in 682,3311 msec and scores 403,3983 GFlop/sec. The same card, still clocked at 575 MHz for the core, but with the 158.16 drives now performs the same task in 584,9589 msec and scores 470,5480 GFlop/sec.
The third scenario included an overclocked G80 card clocked at 700 MHz, what can easily be the clock speed of G80 Ultra and the job was finished in 496,1952 msec and the card scored 554,7236 GFlop/sec.
So there is a hope for Geforce 8800 Ultra and GTX after all
Source Forceware 158.16!!
-### = price points for updates if I had to guess....
already here >> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=140944
im already with this drivers (Big boots with al 8000 series)
8800gts 32mb +1000 marks 3dmark 2005
all in the other thread >> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=140944
regards
As a general rule do you run aa and af in the driver settings or do you do it in the game menu? I never know what to do.
Where do you get the new drivers? I tried guru3d but no dice.
Guru3d hasn't posted them because these are under NDA... They're drivers sent to press for tommorrow's launch.
These will likely be officially launched within the next few days.
hmmm , not for Vista 32bit ? huh
Vista has the 158.14 IIRC, and it hasn't leaked yet.
Tommorrow, during the launch of the rest of the 8 series, these drivers should go official, for vista as well as xp.
Wow.Quote:
the new 158.16 driver is more or less two per cent faster or slower in games and benchmarks, but we figured out that it is also 30 per cent faster in synthetic benchmarks.
That's one useful driver update.
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thx for the news, thats what i'm waiting for :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Only games that didn't see an improvement are openGL ones...Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Yeah, seen this elsewhere, ill wait for the proper drivers me thinks, but it looks promising.........
Why the massive jump in numbers though?
I get the feeling it might have something to do with those missing muls....
:D I always love more performance for free.
I had a near-400 point gain in 3D06. From 11250 to 11630 :)
Imba drivers.
trans am , get the driver here - http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=14586&catid=3 (no point waiting for Guru3D :D ). Cheers!
They never gonna change system or name of drivers ?
I mean "158.16" ?
i bet this is nvidia's plan for the r600 release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
hold out on really good drivers until ati releases its new card then bam they are back on top. pretty common nvidia practise IIRC.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
lol You already paid for it. more like they finally allowed you to use your card properly.:stick: should have worked this good form the start. I do not see this @ 30% increase tho....and also notice that most gains are only noticed in synthetic benchmarks...in other words...not in daily usage.:fact:
this confuses me as well. nvidia just started their 100-series of drivers and is already reaching revision 158? wtf?
does this indicate that the g90 will eventually have 2xx drivers?
G80-600 -400 -200 may be G80 cores made into 8600, 8400 and 8200 cards.
More specificially, one benchmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
It may just be a big boost with the 8800GTS 320mb version... This is what you used, right? (I am assuming so because of your sig)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
It's more than one benchmark...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=89731
Read thru this thread. Some of the gains seen are rather massive... Especially in 3dmark03.
Yes, I agree that the gains CAN be signifcant, however, because they are not "across the board", what theyhave done is quite obvious.:fact:.
Well it's an instruction they finally 'enabled'....it's not like they opened up more shaders, you're not going to get across-the-board gains.
There is pretty much gains across the board, only thing that doesn't seem to have any gains is OpenGL.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Everything else seems to have increased in performance. :fact:
The IQ stayed the same too, so they didn't drop image quality for performance, if that's what you're thinking.
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Neuerung sicherlich auch die nun wieder offiziell integrierten SLI Antialiasing Modis (SLi8x,SLi16x,SLi32xQ)! Diese hab ich bislang jedoch nicht auf Performance hin überprüft falls gewünscht kann ich das gerne nachholen.
Looks like ATI's 24x AA just got trumped by nVidia. Incase you are wondering where it's from, it's in the link Gorgul posted.Quote:
Now again officially SLI Antialiasing Modis (SLi8x, SLi16x, SLi32xQ) surely also integrated innovation! These do not have I so far however for performance examined if desired can I that gladly retrieve.
Uh, you hit the nail on the head, drove it home, and then forgot.
What happened to OpenGL? No performance gains to be had? If they have enabeld an extra funtion, then gains across 3dmarks would be VERY obvious, and would correlate with one another, as the instruction directly translates to the number of rendered triangles/pixels/whatever....so, if you get 30% performance in video, then video performance increases 30%... ACROSS THE BOARD. 600 points in 3dmark06 DOES NOT =1000points in 03...more like 300-400 points in 06 = 1000 points.
Most performance is gained by driver optmization for specific applications...less cpu overhead, etc, which in real-word performance translates into very little. Sure, SYNTHETIC benchmarks show the gains, but they are designed to stress certain parts of a system, not full system, so it's easy to optimize a driver for such. There's no "extra functionality" enabled...merely "functionality fixed".
This card is DX10 card, not DX9, so the way you approach how graphics are rendered onscreen plays important role...and drivers are far more important, as teh driver must properly fill the gpu with data so as to use it most effectively. It's very obvious that in previous verions there are driver issues...the simple "change desktop res for good scores in 3DMark03" speaks volumes of how badly optimized the nV drivers have been lately.
The gains seen here do not speak of extra functionality, just a better driver, with bwetter profiles for specific apps, and not "across the board" gains touted by some.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maf|a
didnt try play with this driver yet , i only run the CSSource BENCHMARK & 3Dmark 2005 to compare with 97.94
yes i have BFG 8800gts 320mbQuote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
in 2k6 with 8600GTS also a boost of 200 marks
- Nvidia 8600GTS --- 101.02 drivers >>>> 5513 Marks
- Nvidia 8600GTS --- 158.16 drivers >>>> 5719 Marks
download links:
Windows XP 32bit:
link 1>> http://tinyurl.com/2ua9ru
link 2: http://rapidshare.com/files/26242305...ional.zip.html
link 3>> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GWD75L50
regards
So basically it's a DX Driver Update. Maybe we can expect the next one to improve OGL.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
my results with 8800gts 320mb here >> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...50&postcount=9
regards
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathReborn
It's a PROFILE-SPECIFIC DX driver update. NO "missing MUL added".
Souds to me like Nvidia is trying to pull a fast one on us like they used to do with 3dmark... I hope this is a REAL performance increase and not a cheat.
It's a synthetic benchmark tweak..aka a load of bollocks.
even if only 8800GTS 320s ill still be happy :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
I am sure that it IS real performance, but very specific gains in specific apps. I think this is much more likely to be 8800Ultra driver tweaks, which, when added with a clockspeed increase, greatly meets expectations in performance for the rumoured part.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
BTW...there is no "missing MUL", IMHO. There's missing geo-shader functionlity in DX9...which does not support geometry shading except in specific apps, a la Ageia. Once DX10 titles come out, there will be yet another driver that gives the gains that people are looking for here, but only in DX10 titles. Until such time as these titles are available, it does not make sense for them to spend man-hour resources "adding the missing MUL" until it can actually be used. This is further bolstered by nV employee stating over the weekend or late last week that they mis-judged the amount of work they would have in dealing with these products and the myriad of driver versions for all of the current OSes in use(XP, Vista, Linux, x86 and x64).
Quoted For Obvious Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Well I would hope they improve the performance for the cards they are released for. What I meant is there may not be a correlation to a strong fps gain with other 8800's like the GTX or 640mb GTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Quote:
Originally Posted by _JP_
regards
this is actually quite interesting.
I think Nvidia is really pulling all thier best efforts together right now in anticipation of the R600.
get better hardware out, flood the low and mid range market with the first DX10 cards, have a new high end card in time for the R600.... and work on a complete driver update, that will help push the 8800 Ultra to the limits.
so far, this new driver is surprisingly good.
Eh? The drivers increase the CPU score too? Interestingly SM2.0 went up more than HDR/SM3.0
what difference does it make? i mean it would have been nice to have this performance from the start but it's not like you werent getting the fastest card on the market.
I had bought mine hoping for better than 2xX1950 in a single card, and was dissapointed. These increases would have brought that gap closer, and might have had me keep the cards I had, instead of getting rid of them ASAP.
It also speaks volumes about how rushed the product was...which means there may be far greater issues to be found still...like the B.O.M. problem...that should have NEVER happened. They did not even check final reatial cards...just shipped them out.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
OK cool, it is across the board for the G80, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Yeah, I suspected that they may have improved the thread balancing in this driver rev.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
There seems to be some bug fixes too, I don't own a G80 but some of the others in that forum were very happy to have fog working correctly in the Source engine. So at the very least the drivers are good for that, and it shows signs that nvidias driver team are doing something right again. Lately they've been the slime under a rock that resides in a stream that flows through a field of sickly pigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebeast
Or something to that effect.
I didn't mention anything about the "missing MUL" which if i'm not mistaken is not an API...Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
ATI have done their fair share of driver cheats aswell but weren't there rumours of a so called "super driver/driver tweak" a few months back? The large jump in numbers (101.xx to 158.16) might signify that this is that driver/tweak. If it is then i'm underwhelmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
Either way, faster cards for no loss in IQ is a big :up:.
More user report for Forceware 158.16 :
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=221342
30% gain is not fake at all , its Reality! <------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
yep , same settings on both scores
it looks like cpu score also increase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maf|a
there are reports of NO More FOG Anymore ;)
regards
I come confirm too it can high score than 101.02 after i try run 3d06 increase from 7239 to 7513 by 158.16
thank Marduk_25 ;)
now we need vista 64bit one
nice nvidia finally decided to update the winxp drivers =D not just vista
I tried to install and look what message I get:
ps I also tried from device manager and same thing happens. this is from the list of the 3 links. I chose the 2nd one. I'm going to try the original link and I am going to show GRAW2 fps using fraps with 97.94 compared with the 158.16 at same settings.
NEVERMIND I just tried the 1st link and was able to install.
Here you go....
10fps gain
btw this is at stock speeds both cpu and gpu
Does that game just look bad.... or is just about every texture there screwed?
Can you give settings in-game pls?
Those are JPEG compression artifacts...Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
I like the speed bump these drivers offer!
I had 400 marks improve on 3dmark 2006.
But there are some more benefits... like 16xAA in R6Vegas...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3...4162333qu3.jpg
I downloaded it, going to install. I'll be back with what I find soon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
:lol2: nevermind then.:slap:
Call me stupid, but I'm not seeing 8800GTX anywhere in the list when I try to manually install the drivers.
As a matter of fact, all I see are the 8300-8600 range.
You will need to mod the inf file or get a modded one. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kanten
Yeah I had to compress a lot in photo shop b/c 1900x1200 res screenie was like 500mb. the point wasn't to show how beatiful graw2 isQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
it was to show the gain in fps from switching drivers. :slap:
in game settings were maxed @ 1900x1200plus 16xAf and 4xAA
drivers are a new tool in performace war?
imagine if nvidia castrate his drivers to see what the r600 is.......
distracting the enemy?
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thats a really interesting observation. Someone should test with different clock speeds. Say, 3.0GHz conroe vs 3.5GHz/3.6GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
If CPU score doesn't go up, maybe they are simulating the CPU tests on the board itself??
I wish I had a G80 to do more testing.
Anyone has tried SLI with these drivers?
I´ve installed them yesterday (i have 2 8800GTX). The installation went ok but after rebooting each time i arrived at win i got a BSOD about de NV4-disp (or something like that) driver.
Maybe i´m missing anything? :confused:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1616
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_158.19.html
158.18/158.19 XP
Same performance ect as the 158.16?
yes
i try them with my 8800gtx, seems very stable .
edit : 158.16 under xp 32
158.18 its for VIsta OnlyQuote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
for XP its 158.19
new XP driver:
158.16 (beta/beta)
158.19 (Official Betal)
165.01 (beta/beta)
new Vista Driver :
158.18 (Official Beta)
165.01 (beta/beta)
regards
very interesting, downloading it now
mascaras do you know is there any differences in performance with these xp drivers
158.16 (beta/beta) 158.19 (Official Betal) 165.01 (beta/beta)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
158.19 and 158.16 are the same driver with same performence , but 158.19 are official beta and 158.16 are beta/beta
158.16 --- 3dmark 2005@ BFG 8800GTS 320mb default >>> 17633 marks
158.19 --- 3dmark 2005@ BFG 8800GTS 320mb default >>> 17643 marks
the 165.01 are beta/beta i didnt try yet but for the users feedback its seems they are not very good
my advice is :
for VISTA >> 158.18
For XP >> 1587.19
BTW: in my opinion in terms of image quality the new drivers are not so good (maybe thats why better performence ;) )
i also saw other ppl with same opinion :
Quote:
Originally Posted by huguinhohgt
regards
ok i have been testing this beta driver for a while now and i really have to say that this 158.19 version kicks serious ass.
Anyone know how to control the fan speed with these drivers in Vista?
I doubt nTune works with these drivers. nTune in Vista is crap, too.
you might want to try speedfan. works with most mobos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesnav
Probably shoulda clarified that, but Speedfan works with the GPU's fan?
lol i thought that you meant in general.. sorry but it does not work as a gpu fan controller
RivaTuner v2,0 and force the drivers detection to 97.02 :)
hi guys
with new 158.19 i have + 1000 marks in 2005 and +600 marks in 2006 than with 97.94 :D
E6600@3600mhz -- BFG 8800GTS 320mb DEFAULT
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/33/2k66qw7.jpg
E6600@3600mhz -- BFG 8800GTS 320mb DEFAULT
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6979/15819qp3.jpg
hehehehhee
regards
I put 158.18/158.19 XP cos theres a typo on the Guru3d pageQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1616
Is anyone able to corroborate the increase in CPU scores from post #52? If a driver can increase CPU scores from 06, I'll be damned....insanely interesting if it's true though. Those tests are supposed to be completely software based, no hardware acceleration.
man the 158.19 from nv's driver page sux big time ... .16 is better atm
mascaras ;) entao rapazola ;) ta tudo??
Well, people, can someone give me a direct download link for the drivers?
Btw, wich drivers have you used mascaras? the modded ones or the "untouched" ones?
Say something ;)
Hugs and kisses :D
Better driver-level threading is the likely cause. As in, less overhead on the cpu from the drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
im using 158.19 for WIn XP 32 bitQuote:
Originally Posted by SrJabardo
Forceware 158.19 XP 32bits
Forceware 158.19 XP 64bits
for Vista :
Forceware 158.18 Vista 32bits
Forceware 158.18 Vista 64bits
Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
i tryed Both (they are the same driver but 158.19 are official ) and i have same 3dmark 2005/2006 score , when you say 158.19 sux and 16 are better ,are you talking about what??? Image quality ???
because in performence they are the same ........
97.94 and 97.92 in image quality are better ..... (maybe thats the reason of 158.xx scores better in benchmarks)
regards
My benchies have increased as well.
But in Flight Simulator 2004, I ran 8XQ AA with 97.94 and all was well.
With 158.19 8XQ AA looked like no AA at all..
Also, the profile for Aquamark 3 F*&d up when I tried to disable AA, started giving me windows error messages...
165.01 did the same.
Back to 97.94 for now.....
These beta are really great for benching, improved 3dmarks a lot :)
They seem to be official and on the Nvidia website now ....mine wouldn't install though.......nice!
yeah, these are on the site now:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_158.19.html