e4300 IHS Removed!

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03-10-2007, 12:46 PM
Kristoferr

e4300 IHS Removed!

Did it today!

Suprisingly there is no solder stuff (dont know exact word) between E4300 core and IHS. So removing IHS i didnt have to "boil" CPU, just cut rubber edges and pull IHS away....
Intel is using thermal greace instead.

Removal gave me 8-10Celsius on aircooling.

Now i can reach above 3650mhz easily. Im using aircooling.
Havent tested maximum fsb yet. but ran few tests with 3690mhz

http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_190lo.jpg

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php...f_122_65lo.jpg

Heres Pic of my E4300 vs Celeron D 356, both with IHS removed:

http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_156lo.jpg

NB! Enjoy removing IHS of your CPUs! :cool: BEWARE THAT REMOVING IHS VOIDS WARRANTY!!! If you´re not familiar with removing tools and you dont have lots of patience and steady hands,then DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!!! :slapass:
03-10-2007, 12:47 PM
Nosfer@tu

Nice!
03-10-2007, 12:56 PM
Oliver

diffinetely nice
03-10-2007, 01:14 PM
.:\dGh/:.

OMG i'm seeing a naked intel omg my eyes my eyes!

extreme nice!
03-10-2007, 01:16 PM
DFI pit bull

Impresive to say the least!!:slobber:
03-10-2007, 01:19 PM
Kristoferr

Quote:

Originally Posted by .:\dGh/:.

OMG i'm seeing a naked intel omg my eyes my eyes!

extreme nice!

Please DO NOT make fun of me! You maybe experienced user and know all about CPUs, but most of people dont!

Made this thread only to share information. So if you dont like it, dont post bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: in here!
03-10-2007, 01:30 PM
MarlboroMan

nice to known that you can remove E4300's IHS without have to burn it ;)
03-10-2007, 03:15 PM
Nanometer

Nice job. Such a cheap chip has so much to offer.
03-10-2007, 03:45 PM
ziddey

word
03-10-2007, 04:25 PM
.:\dGh/:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristoferr

Please DO NOT make fun of me! You maybe experienced user and know all about CPUs, but most of people dont!

Made this thread only to share information. So if you dont like it, dont post bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: in here!

hey hey pal, i didn't make fun of you, sorry my bad english (chilean here :mrgreen:). Removing that from the e4300 was really impressive :clap:

I don't know anybody who have removed the IHS and maintained his cpu alive.
03-10-2007, 04:37 PM
ziddey

haha I totally missed that or else I would have posted the same thing. It didn't sound like you were making fun at all. Was totally misinterpretted in my opinion. But anyway, great great find that there was no solder. Good to hear :)
03-10-2007, 04:51 PM
Kristoferr

OK. I misunderstood your post m8. Sry :wierd: :am:

Removing IHS is not that hard really. It just takes a lot of time and patience.

Thanx for your reply. Im feeling a lot better now :toast:
03-10-2007, 05:18 PM
BigRigDriver

Soooo.......how do you remove that cover???
03-10-2007, 05:19 PM
.:\dGh/:.

Yeah. It will nice if you post how you did that amazing thing!

I also want to remove de IHs, but i can't (warrany terms)
03-10-2007, 05:23 PM
ziddey

take xacto knife and carefully go around the ihs.
03-10-2007, 05:47 PM
Kristoferr

Best thing for cutting rubber edges is razor like this

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DN
You can see how far under IHS this rubber goes and how deep you have to cut on the picture in first post.
Its best because its ultrasharp and also soft. Using this will not hurt cpu pcb if cutting. I also used this.
Second thing is to thind very very thin screwdriver or knife. Put strong elastic tape or credit card between CPU PCB and screwdriver. Slip Screwdriver gently under IHS and turn it until IHS comes apart :D

Be very careful with CPU PCB! Breaking powerlines on it is very easy!
I broke my Celeron D like this. :slapass:

Good luck!
03-10-2007, 10:40 PM
Demo

whats your current aircooling ?
03-10-2007, 11:38 PM
ineedaname

So what method did you use to remove the IHS anyway?

Was there thermal epoxy on the core? if so then how'd u get it off?

I would attempt 2 take off the IHS but i'm always worried i'll crush the core with the heat sink.
03-11-2007, 05:13 AM
Kristoferr

Quote:

Originally Posted by ineedaname

So what method did you use to remove the IHS anyway?

Was there thermal epoxy on the core? if so then how'd u get it off?

I would attempt 2 take off the IHS but i'm always worried i'll crush the core with the heat sink.

Its good to heat the IHS just like removing IHS whats connected with solder.
I did like that. :p:
I belive Core is connected with epoxy. E4300 IHS is not connected with epoxy. Its thermal greace. But its best to heat the IHS, removing it because thermal greace get softer if hot. :D

Excuse my bad english. I hope you understand me.
03-11-2007, 05:53 AM
buffbiff21

That is some crazy stuff. eliminates the need for lapping, thats for sure! :p:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ineedaname

I would attempt 2 take off the IHS but i'm always worried i'll crush the core with the heat sink.

yeah that is exactly what i would worry about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristoferr

Removal gave me 8-10Celsius on aircooling.

you said you were getting 8-10 DROPS in temperature, correct?
03-11-2007, 06:06 AM
Pete

Don't leaver it off...you damige the traces on the top of the PCB it's how i killed my P4...

Use 4 blade and once all the rubber is cut over lap them, they will have a spring effect, gently aply a little heat, lighter for this cpu perhaps.
03-11-2007, 06:32 AM
Kristoferr

yes! temperature dropped 8-10Celsius after IHS was gone.

Im using Zalmann 9500
03-11-2007, 07:25 AM
G.Foyle

I heard Kentsfields have core soldered to IHS, I believe there was a pic somewhere... does anybody know if E6600 has solder or thermal grease?
03-11-2007, 07:37 AM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoqolatl

I heard Kentsfields have core soldered to IHS, I believe there was a pic somewhere... does anybody know if E6600 has solder or thermal grease?

I am pretty sure the E6600 is soldered. It is either all L stepping Allendale CPUs or just the E4300 that has grease AFAIK.
03-11-2007, 07:38 AM
saaya

pics dont work :/
03-11-2007, 07:39 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

I am pretty sure the E6600 is soldered. It is either all L stepping Allendale CPUs or just the E4300 that has grease AFAIK.

its definately not only all e4300s, thats way too complicated for intel.
either all cpus get it or none. allendale might be possible, but i think the bigest probability is that intel uses different pack stations in different locations and some use this thermal grease while others use the thermal bond material...
03-11-2007, 07:50 AM
Kristoferr

I just checked picture links. They work fine.
03-11-2007, 08:46 AM
Trippen Out

ive already lapped my cpu so warranty is not an issue.. just the fear os smashing the core with the evap head..
03-11-2007, 11:06 AM
NickS

Ok... wtf? (@ Intel)

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

its definately not only all e4300s, thats way too complicated for intel.
either all cpus get it or none. allendale might be possible, but i think the bigest probability is that intel uses different pack stations in different locations and some use this thermal grease while others use the thermal bond material...

We gotta' find a way to ID this. For example, on AMD's whos heatspreaders say Copyright 2005 AMD, they have soldered IHS'. If they say Copyright 2001 AMD, they don't.
03-11-2007, 11:24 AM
TheMafioso

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

I am pretty sure the E6600 is soldered. It is either all L stepping Allendale CPUs or just the E4300 that has grease AFAIK.

Could be...Maybe that's why e4300 run hotter than other core2duo's...
03-11-2007, 11:28 AM
Reg-Edit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristoferr

Removing IHS is not that hard really. It just takes a lot of time and patience.

Just give me 2 minutes ... I do 3 CPU's :P
03-12-2007, 01:07 PM
Pipi

Could that be a reason for the FSB wall??
03-12-2007, 06:43 PM
Trippen Out

just curious how easy would it be to crush the core with out the IHS installed i really want to do this and use my phase unit on it
03-12-2007, 07:06 PM
Kobalt

probably pretty easy to crush because the bare die is not made to withstand pressure because it has the IHS. I think i read something where the Athlon XPs had some type of ceramic layer on top of the die to prevent chipping since it was exposed. Now that theres an IHS, thats not longer used and chipping is easier.

If you can't afford another CPU, dont remove the IHS.
03-17-2007, 11:30 AM
hot_fifty

nice, brave guy. I never had the balls for a IHS removal. Thumbs up
03-17-2007, 05:48 PM
tzitzos

very nice work ;) ;)
thx for sharing
03-17-2007, 06:00 PM
Sparky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobalt

probably pretty easy to crush because the bare die is not made to withstand pressure because it has the IHS. I think i read something where the Athlon XPs had some type of ceramic layer on top of the die to prevent chipping since it was exposed. Now that theres an IHS, thats not longer used and chipping is easier.

If you can't afford another CPU, dont remove the IHS.

I'm not sure how intel dies compare to AMD dies as far as durability, but on my naked opty I had my heatsink bolted down so darn tight I couldn't turn the screws anymore. Not even so much as a chipped corner on the die. When the screws are tightened down that far there is a ton of pressure on that die.

Think of the screws like this.

1 . . 2

3 . . 4

Tighten screw 1 some, then 4, then 2, then 3, and repeat until tight. That puts even pressure on the die which will prevent crushing the corners. Usually chipping the die is caused by uneven pressure while mounting.
03-27-2007, 02:13 AM
eagle_

I've done the IHS removal on an E4300. That was easy, but now the heatsink doesn't reach the core! The s775 metal top is above the core height... Also I'm not sure that the cpu is tight against the socket contacts, as the mechanism pushes the IHS down, and without IHS, it may be loose... I'm using Asus P5N-E SLI and Ninja Rev.B.

I'm thinking of doing the following: get a cooler that has screws as retention (as opposed to the s775 default retention clips), and one of two things: or find a cooler that has a small base (enough to skip the s775 metal mount) and/or remove the s775 top metal mount (and the cooler is used to secure the cpu).

Any sugestions???
03-27-2007, 02:20 AM
ziddey

yeah, bolt down heatsink and remove the 775 top
03-27-2007, 03:51 AM
SoF

yeah naked processors are always sexy :>

A64 and some pressure from evap is fine, my newcastle was unbreakable I had the feeling :D
Don't have a clue how stable an Intel die is :/
03-27-2007, 04:25 AM
dinos22

this is news to me that intel also have the grease method too wow

too bad about the mounting system on intel.........you have to mod the crap out of it to be able to use any cooler with no ihs.........unless the hole metal thing can be removed :)
03-27-2007, 05:41 AM
oohms

Darn that sucks that they stopped soldering them... That would definately get better temps with the IHS on than epoxy :(
03-27-2007, 07:27 AM
an0nym0us

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

this is news to me that intel also have the grease method too wow

too bad about the mounting system on intel.........you have to mod the crap out of it to be able to use any cooler with no ihs.........unless the hole metal thing can be removed :)

if you're referring to the motherboard's retention bracket on the s775 socket, then yes, it can be removed.
03-27-2007, 07:46 AM
jmilcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by .:\dGh/:.

hey hey pal, i didn't make fun of you, sorry my bad english (chilean here :mrgreen:). Removing that from the e4300 was really impressive :clap:

I don't know anybody who have removed the IHS and maintained his cpu alive.

There are many of us AMD fans who removed opty tops all day long, never had a chip die!

For some reason I was yet to see someone remove an Intel IHS for some reason...LoL
03-27-2007, 04:42 PM
eagle_

I removed the retention bracket and adapted an Artic Cooling 7 (removed the plastic pins and bolted the thing to the motherboard).

I started it, but it may not be doing good contact to the core. I ran Orthos (small fft's), Asus Probe and Coretemp 0.95, at 3ghz, 1.325vcore.

After 4 minutes, Asus Probe was giving 49ºC and Coretemp 119ºC??? Nothing crashed... Removing the core may confuse some sensors... Anyone had the same problem?
03-27-2007, 04:46 PM
ziddey

what motherboard is that? what does asusprobe report if you turn on peci or turn it off. it doesn't matter either way though, those coretemps are indeed alarming. hmm.. tried reapplications? did you make a shim around the cpu so that the heatsink goes on even?
03-28-2007, 04:13 AM
eagle_

It was a problem of Coretemp 0.95, as version 0.94 reported much lower temps. Also vcore was at 1.45v (asus default).

My next move is to disassemble the Ninja's retention clips and to use that one, as the Freezer 7 Pro is too noisy and just won't cut it.

I'm still struggling to get 3ghz stable at the lowest vcore, but i'm already at 1.36v and it's still rebooting. This board (P5N-E SLI) may not be the best for these cpu's.

edit: as for the shim, i made one with 1mm tape, just to protect the core.
03-28-2007, 09:40 AM
Console

Wow this rocks , I thought all Intel chips were souldered on . How manny ppl have tryed this ? on the New "allendale" cpus to see if it is the same for them ?
03-28-2007, 09:56 AM
stormcloud

So :cool: but I definitely don't have the balls to slice the top off my CPU!:D
03-29-2007, 12:41 PM
s_p_kay

same for E6300 Conroe's?

Very cool! I would try it on my E6300 if I thought there was any chance I could just slice around the edge w/ a exacto knife and pry off the IHS. Especially if I can expect 8-10C temp improvement!
03-29-2007, 12:46 PM
s_p_kay

Quote:

Originally Posted by an0nym0us

if you're referring to the motherboard's retention bracket on the s775 socket, then yes, it can be removed.

heheheh- LMAO - yeah I actually removed mine from my P5B-E when I got thinking it was a "rather" protective cover for the socket ;-) Needless to say I hadn't built a system in a number of years and was expecting something akin to older processors. The good news is it's almost as easy to put back on as it is to remove it.
04-02-2007, 06:40 AM
smsmasters

wow
04-03-2007, 05:41 PM
I)ickie

So how many people have actually done this?
I think i have counted only two in this thread.
04-03-2007, 06:27 PM
anzial

My L630B e6600 runs very hot compared to another L642A e6600... and that's at the same oc/vcore... could it because I've got one e6600 with paste rather then solder under the IHS?
04-03-2007, 06:43 PM
I)ickie

Quote:

Originally Posted by anzial

My L630B e6600 runs very hot compared to another L642A e6600... and that's at the same oc/vcore... could it because I've got one e6600 with paste rather then solder under the IHS?

Hmmm i suppose this could be the connection to why the newer core 2's (B revs) run so hot.....

Anyone got pics of removed retention bracket and cpu?
04-04-2007, 04:06 AM
eagle_

Quote:

Originally Posted by I)ickie

Anyone got pics of removed retention bracket and cpu?

I have them at home. I'll post them later.

Replaced the Artic Cooling cooler for the Ninja Rev.B and now I have very good temps. I has having high temps on Coretemp with IHS on because the cooler only made contact with the edges of the IHS. It was running in high 60's. Now with IHS removed I have temps in mid 30's (in Coretemp). Temps in Asus Probe also went down, but don't remember the old value. Now it's in the low 40's.

I was having trouble at 3ghz, now i'm priming at 3.2 stable.
04-04-2007, 12:28 PM
Solarfall

great stuff @Kristoferr

So does anybody know for sure that witch C2D chip's have IHS soldered to them.
i so whant to pop it off from 6600 :D
04-06-2007, 12:05 AM
overclock

When the IHS is removed, how can the CPU be maintained in the socket ? Indeed, it seems to me that the IHS is necessary ?

And is the contact between the die and the base cooler (waterblock, Mach II GT) possible ? Indeed, the height of the die may be lower than the height of the socket ?
04-06-2007, 04:34 AM
HoriWanderFuLL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trippen Out

ive already lapped my cpu so warranty is not an issue.. just the fear os smashing the core with the evap head..

use a shim and you wont smash or crack or chip the core...

maybe build up around core with Epoxy resin and flaten of..;)
04-06-2007, 06:26 AM
Emillos

->#38/All

That's why I haven't removed the IHS on mine e4300 - I don't know how to cool it :-/.

I think the ThermalRight Ultra 120 perhaps will reach the core without IHS - but i'm not sure. I asked ThermalRight, but they were not much of a help...
See this picture here: http://img.neoseeker.com/v_image.php...d=1940&image=3 - dosen't it look like the hight of the IHS isn't nessecery ? :)
http://img.neoseeker.com/v_image.php...d=1940&image=3
04-06-2007, 08:11 AM
hstuehmeyer2000

could you do this and use the stock cooler?
04-06-2007, 09:08 AM
bassie

Quote:

Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

could you do this and use the stock cooler?

Why not?
04-06-2007, 01:16 PM
Kristoferr

hi again :)

I tried to remove IHS from E6300. It was soldered.
I got IHS off and visually all looks ok, no damage.
But... cpu does not boot. Somehow i broke it :(
i do not recomend removing IHS nothing but E4300 witch is only core 2 duo what is connected with epoxy.
Removing soldered IHS is extremely dangerous!
04-06-2007, 01:38 PM
specofdust

Sucks to hear theres no boot on the 6300, good luck getting it going if you can. And great work on the original, I just found this thread now but I'm impressed by your initial results. I know I could never have a steady enough hand to shear an IHS off.
04-06-2007, 01:48 PM
theteamaqua

how did u install the cooler?? cuz wont that be too low?? i mean ur CPU is like below the socket holder ...
04-06-2007, 01:49 PM
hstuehmeyer2000

i was just curious if you would crush the core as tight as that thing fits
04-07-2007, 01:15 AM
Solarfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

i was just curious if you would crush the core as tight as that thing fits

use a shim that way you wont crush the core
04-07-2007, 01:45 AM
I)ickie

anyone try this with an e4300 and not see success?
also would still love to see some pics
04-07-2007, 02:17 AM
freakBYnature

Quote:

Originally Posted by s_p_kay

Very cool! I would try it on my E6300 if I thought there was any chance I could just slice around the edge w/ a exacto knife and pry off the IHS. Especially if I can expect 8-10C temp improvement!

NO PRYING!!! Only cutting... killed my already halfdead manchester with to much pressure on blade, don't get me wrong... it needs to be very firm cutting, but not hard, if you get the idea. It was just for practice anyway, had the FX60 lying just WAITING to be undressed! Lost about 10c on it, so now with 0.1V ekstra (1.45V) it's what it used to be at 1.35V. The Manchester (3800+ x2) died because I was to uncareful with the blade, and I destroyed som components underneath IHS. Se the FX60 thread and you'll see picture.

It took some serious home-inventing on heatsink though, used (not kidding) a matchbox, som tape and I also broke an old, thin electronical screwdriver to mod it tight... but then again, this is s939 not 775 :D
04-07-2007, 03:45 AM
K.J.

http://jianghanchao.googlepages.com/1.JPG
04-07-2007, 04:08 AM
Kristoferr

Quote:

Originally Posted by K.J.

http://jianghanchao.googlepages.com/1.JPG

is it still working??? :p:
04-07-2007, 04:25 AM
I)ickie

K.J
was that an e4300?
04-07-2007, 11:43 AM
hstuehmeyer2000

i bet thats the e6300 , the pics of the e4300 are on the first page
04-07-2007, 03:31 PM
Volkum

KJ did you put that IHS back on or did you somehow (how?) remove the solder from the core?
04-07-2007, 04:39 PM
bassie

Quote:

Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

i bet thats the e6300 , the pics of the e4300 are on the first page

e6750

You lost :p:
04-16-2007, 01:34 PM
DementeD

Finally i can post..well after reading this thread for the past couple weeks i went ahead and removed my IHS from my e4300..and well it went really easy took less then 10 mins ..however i ran into the problem of my waterblock(even with retention bracket removed) wouldnt make good enough contact with the cpu so my temps actually rose..the waterblock hit the outside edge of the socket and wouldnt lay properly but i reinstalled my TT blue orb and the temps did drop 10c at load ..it maxes at 57c 3.2ghz 1.44volts(i live in florida so its like 80-90F when i was testing)..im pretty upset i did this because i had 3.4ghz on water stable and i can get it stable on air during the night but not throughout the day its just too hott and itll only get hotter..and i know if i get a different waterblock(or kit altogether its a cheap TT waterkit) that id get a lot better performance..
04-16-2007, 01:48 PM
I)ickie

Quote:

Originally Posted by DementeD

Finally i can post..well after reading this thread for the past couple weeks i went ahead and removed my IHS from my e4300..and well it went really easy took less then 10 mins ..however i ran into the problem of my waterblock(even with retention bracket removed) wouldnt make good enough contact with the cpu so my temps actually rose..the waterblock hit the outside edge of the socket and wouldnt lay properly but i reinstalled my TT blue orb and the temps did drop 10c at load ..it maxes at 57c 3.2ghz 1.44volts(i live in florida so its like 80-90F when i was testing)..im pretty upset i did this because i had 3.4ghz on water stable and i can get it stable on air during the night but not throughout the day its just too hott and itll only get hotter..and i know if i get a different waterblock(or kit altogether its a cheap TT waterkit) that id get a lot better performance..

Can anyone else comment on this. Both my blocks overlap the sides too! :mad: perhaps lapping the heatsink and then applying AS5 to the core after removing IHS then sticking IHS back on is the best way.
04-16-2007, 03:10 PM
menlatin

You know, there are some older threads that have ALOT of info on this. do a search for "removed IHS". Pics of e6400's, celerons and preslers, and info on mounting.
04-16-2007, 04:29 PM
DementeD

also when i mounted my i just used the waterblock to hold it down..so there might be a different way to mount it where contact will be made evenly..that was the main problem..the waterblock sat on it unevenly and caused it to get hotter..
04-26-2007, 06:39 PM
splat00n

you think I can do this with the e6300?
05-08-2007, 11:43 AM
//\\//3W

Nice.

Is there any other people that tryed this?

Found this:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/402/2/
05-10-2007, 07:44 PM
N/A Matt

I saw some one on here posted about removing the IHS that had solder, but they didn't seem to have an adverse effects. I can't see how simply removing the IHS would damage the chip, it would have to be mounting the heatsink and how you go about that. It was already mentioned, but even pressure is applied, i.e. screws tightened in the right order, there should not be an issue.
05-17-2007, 09:39 AM
Liquid3D

One way to safely remove the IHS is to take a piece of very strong string or fishing line. Then find the corner wher there is a slight gap in the seal and begin "sawing" back and forth. This will even work with Epoxy IF your very careful and the line is high tension.

I've also heard placing the chip in the freezer not "boiling" it hehe works. The epoxy used is heat resistant so heat won't make the job easier but cold may.

I used to "pop the top" on all my CPU's but it only gave me 3C ~ 8C. Your better off getting water-cooling which to a Alendale or Conroe is analagous going to phase-change with an old P4.

Your temp drop has me thinking of trying this on my E6400 which is water-cooled and waterblocks are infinately adjustable when you tighten them down so there's really no chance of cracking a core if your careful.

Great job, great thread!!!
05-17-2007, 09:51 AM
Liquid3D

Quote:

Originally Posted by DementeD

also when i mounted my i just used the waterblock to hold it down..so there might be a different way to mount it where contact will be made evenly..that was the main problem..the waterblock sat on it unevenly and caused it to get hotter..

What type of waterblock are you using?

All you need do is find a block with a "minimal" footprint. European blocks follow this design and are usually use less mass. This works better anyway as h more mass that sits atop the CPU the more it is effecetd by the internal cae temp.

With a water block such as the new Sub-Zero by Cool-cases the footprint is minimal and with less meterial between the water and the CPU (base-plate is very thin) you getting the lower temp of the H20 closer to the heat source.

Can you show some pictures I may be able to help.
05-24-2007, 07:13 PM
g0dM@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid3D

One way to safely remove the IHS is to take a piece of very strong string or fishing line. Then find the corner wher there is a slight gap in the seal and begin "sawing" back and forth. This will even work with Epoxy IF your very careful and the line is high tension.

I've also heard placing the chip in the freezer not "boiling" it hehe works. The epoxy used is heat resistant so heat won't make the job easier but cold may.

I used to "pop the top" on all my CPU's but it only gave me 3C ~ 8C. Your better off getting water-cooling which to a Alendale or Conroe is analagous going to phase-change with an old P4.

Your temp drop has me thinking of trying this on my E6400 which is water-cooled and waterblocks are infinately adjustable when you tighten them down so there's really no chance of cracking a core if your careful.

Great job, great thread!!!

I have an e6400 and really wanna pop the pop if it's something not too hard to do...
05-24-2007, 07:15 PM
ziddey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid3D

Your better off getting water-cooling which to a Alendale or Conroe is analagous going to phase-change with an old P4.

!?!!?!??!?!?!
05-24-2007, 08:20 PM
Nightcreeper

I think he means the Allendale or conroe produces alot less heat, (Core2 based) as compared to the Netburst architecture that you could almost use for a furnace. That is why the moderate to high-end water cooling would allow the same OC % on a Core2 base as the Phase Change on a netburst. Core 2 Duo @ 2.66GHz is 65W (E6700) and the Netburst @ 2.66GHz ( Pentium D 805) is 95W, and the Core2 Outperforms the netburst all the way around.

No puns towards netburst, I have Dual Dempsey's (and one processor has an overheating problem) that I like for the price/performance ratio right now.
05-24-2007, 08:35 PM
ziddey

with ambient temps the way they are, I can do the same with air as water.
05-25-2007, 05:31 AM
Liquid3D

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I compared cooling low TDP chips on water to cooling something like Prescott on a entry level Phase change system. It was sort of in jest, but all humor makes light of a real situation.

Lets say you overclock a Prescott 950 from it's default settings (1.4V 130W TDP 3.4GHz) to the following 4.4GHz 1.5Vcore, now your TDP is 193W almost 200W

Then you overclock a Conroe E6400 from it's default settings (1.2V 65W TDP 2.1GHz) to the following 3.1GHz, 1.25Vcore, now your TDP is 100W.

If you ran the Prescott as above in a Entry level phase change under full load your temps would be around 0C ~ 10C

If you ran the Conroe as above in a H20 system under full load your temps would be around 33C ~ 40C depending on the system.

I know it's a bit exaggerated, I was trying to raise your sprirts. I know this, since converting to H20 I would never go back to air-cooled. I usually keep dle temps around 28C, which is not extraordinary when yout think about it. Conroe is just 65W, if you mount a dual heater core outside your case in ambeint environment then get a good waterblock TDX, Apex Ultra, Alphacool, Cool-Cases, etc. So my ambeint room temp is 17C / 62F (I like cold but 62F isn't that cold when you think of it) therefore the water entering the block is very close to ambient say 19C (remember dual radiator) and water exiting the block is about 10C higher at 29C interestingly enough this is close to what the CPU temp might be;
05-25-2007, 11:09 AM
Liquid3D

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I have an e6400 and really wanna pop the pop if it's something not too hard to do...

I advise against this. Once I heard the word epoxy I stopped messing around for two reasons.

1. damage
2. the concern has always been surface contact. I removed many an IHS on single core processors and found obvious problems, Dual Core is another story as the surfce area has a more complex architecture beneath it. In that case an IHS is a good thing because it's epoxied on there. The following statement is undeniably true: if you could solder your IHS or exposed core to your baseplate (albeit a water-block or air-cooler) you would get better temps then removing th IHS and using thermal paste.

When we removed Prescott IHS we found (as expected) a low quality thermal paste (Compared to AS5) and in some cases there was so much paste it was akin to throwing a blanket over the core because it acted as an insulator. Once that was cleaned yes there was better temps, but not in every case because some people had not prepared the surface correctly or the IHS made better contact then the core to the baseplate.

My point is this, it's not worth losing your warranty. I would bet anyone I could take their system and for the same amount of money ($0) improve the cooling without going to that measure. In most cases just removing your dam radiator and washing 3-months of dust out of it will drop temps 10C. I know it's not as fun as playing with tha CPU but it's necessary. Removing your IHS is optional.

Anyay as you can see below the processor is being stress tested at 100% LOAD using S&M, cooled by Swiftech's APEX Ultra system Dual Core radiator my E6400 running at 8x405FSB on the P5W DH 1.30Vcore and only 37C, actually CoreTemp s probably more accurate so we'll say 40C still pretty da goo when some people are at 60C at these speeds under LOAD some even at IDLE!

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