New OCZ PC2-6400 Flex XLC CAS 3

I just received my new 6400 Flex CAS 3 sticks, thought I would show them off a little bit :p:

With the move to more and more ram, I figured I would start out with a 4GB config and move on from there.

EVGA 680i with P24 Bios.
Core 2 Duo E6400
OCZ EVOStream 600W
BBATI X1900XT
4GB of OCZ PC2-6400 Flex XLC CAS 3

Shots of the ram installed :hrhr:

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3evga680i1.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3evga680i3.jpg

Nothing fancy here just stock ram speed and timings, I will post some quick and dirty overclocking before I retire.

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/680ievga6400c34gb.png

Bios shots:

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/68...6400c34gb1.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/68...6400c34gb2.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/68...6400c34gb3.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/68...6400c34gb4.jpg

very nice rams.. :) any oc reports.. :D

thanks for sharing.. :toast:

ooh, so when are the 3-3-3 sticks coming out?

sexy, need to get you some WC now. :)

No fan over the RAM? And that 15 tRAS is kinda depressing. Can you not go any lower with 4x1GB?

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No fan over the RAM? And that 15 tRAS is kinda depressing. Can you not go any lower with 4x1GB?

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Not while I am trying to show pictures of the ram. When its running? Yes there is a fan over it.

Stock speeds, mate, stock speeds I will get to the overclocked part.

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ooh, so when are the 3-3-3 sticks coming out?

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At the same time :D

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3at333pi32m.png

2.4V is rated for CAS 3 operation, the above was done with 2.3V set in the bios.

Last one before bed, top speed so far with 2.15V set in bios, yes I know...I covered up the checksum, its not a WR :p:

Trfc is not available in the bios, so that huge number is what the board picks. It got late on me tonight, so no time to tweak everything down, but I did manage to get the subtimings a lot tighter than what the board wanted to set.

Defaults were:
Trc = 26
Twr = 6
Twtr = 11
Trrd = 5

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3_491_444.png

very nice for a 4gig setup.. :D push it more please.. :D

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Not while I am trying to show pictures of the ram. When its running? Yes there is a fan over it.

Stock speeds, mate, stock speeds I will get to the overclocked part.



At the same time :D

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3at333pi32m.png

2.4V is rated for CAS 3 operation, the above was done with 2.3V set in the bios.

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ooh god yes :slobber:

Update to post 7, started Orthos before I went to bed, just adding that those settings are pretty stable.

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3_491_prime.png

BIOS Shots:

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3_491_prime1.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/6400c3_491_prime2.jpg

Wow, nice ram! 490mhz @ 4-4-4-x and only 2.15v?!

:slobber:

I assume these will be affordable? For 200-300$ they would not be bad :)

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I assume these will be affordable? For 200-300$ they would not be bad :)

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i am guessing between 320-350$

cool but ur 8500 SLI EPP can do this:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...2/Shot0054.jpg

DDR2 830 3-3-3-2 1T 2.35v... with 2 sticks though, im sure its harder to OC at 4 sticks

sub timing can be lowered to 1-20-2-6-2-3.9 for benching 3dmark, pi 32m, but i just use 1-44-3-6-3 for 24/7


is it this one:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...lexxlc_edition

3-4-4-15 stock

Yes, a lot of Micron can do that....but this is not Micron :)

ahh, but the heatsink looks cool though,

hey btw can u OC higher with watercooling than air?? how much higher??

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Yes, a lot of Micron can do that....but this is not Micron :)

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Can you tell us what is it :D ? , Cheaper or more expensive than Micron ? , ,single or double sided ? :D

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Yes, a lot of Micron can do that....but this is not Micron :)

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Now this one is interesting! Something we've never seen before?

it cool ! for 4 sticks and i like heat spreader :)

ps. what is u power supply ?

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Yes, a lot of Micron can do that....but this is not Micron :)

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this is interesting.. :)

mm.. my guess.. promos?? :D

very nice rams.. :toast:

Small update, wanted to show a little more stability at DDR2-1000 at 4-4-4 timings, my last post was at 491 4-4-4, just a touch more voltage and we have 500 at 4-4-4 timings.

EDIT: Vid cards are 7800GT in SLI, btw.

2.2V set in bios:

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/3d...3_444_1000.png

http://www.ryderocz.info/evga680i/prime_1000_444.png

compliment...:slobber:
which has been the maximum stable reached frequency to SP since 1mb???

Hey Ryder,

What are their Reaction to voltage? And Temperature? And is your pair hand-picked? (I suppose not though)

Thanks

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Can you tell us what is it :D ? , Cheaper or more expensive than Micron ? , ,single or double sided ? :D

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hynix is my bet

That is amazing 4GB overclocking.

I found a review here

http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...leid=940&cid=5

published on 6 March but still i cant find any info regarding ICs used and pricing

Edit : the kit is available @ Canada
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...7;20Technology
356CAD = 303$

http://www.directcanada.com/products...Z%20TECHNOLOGY 332CAD = 282$

fhpchris was right 300$ range

Samsung for sure.
Who finds out first? or maybe Ryder could tell us?

im with metro, hynix FTW.

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I found a review here

http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...leid=940&cid=5

published on 6 March but still i cant find any info regarding ICs used and pricing

Edit : the kit is available @ Canada
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Z%20Technology
356CAD = 303$

http://www.directcanada.com/products...Z%20TECHNOLOGY 332CAD = 282$

fhpchris was right 300$ range

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;) I think for under 330$ that they should be nice and affordable for the average person :)

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I assume these will be affordable? For 200-300$ they would not be bad :)

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;) I think for under 330$ that they should be nice and affordable for the average person :)

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:D
they should be 250-270$ when they arrive at the egg

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it cool ! for 4 sticks and i like heat spreader :)

ps. what is u power supply ?

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It looks like Eric is running his OCZ EvoStream 720w Modular PSU.

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It looks like Eric is running his OCZ EvoStream 720w Modular PSU.

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Still no info about the ICs used Andy :stick: :stick: :stick:

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Still no info about the ICs used Andy :stick: :stick: :stick:

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For the time being even I don't know! (Top Secret)
Sorry

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For the time being even I don't know! (Top Secret)
Sorry

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no problem but just give me a hint , is there is any other manufacturer started to use those ICs .(some competition) , if you cant tell don't answer me , no problem :D , may be i will send one of my guys to buy one from Canada and rip it off

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For the time being even I don't know! (Top Secret)
Sorry

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Is it the same chip as in the 9200 ones...?

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Is it the same chip as in the 9200 ones...?

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NO :nono: :nono: :nono:

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Thank you sir, Andy :)

Got mine. Will post exclusive Review at HardwareAsylum by end of week. Let me just say they are quite impressive, but Micron are probably still leaders. ;)

After quite a lot of testing... I found out they acted quite weird... over DDR2 1150MHz 4-4-4-5 22-33-3-7-3 at 2.5v... But NOTHING higher at CAS5... ummm... weird.... Wanna know the possible secret behind it?.... They are completely new chips....

Before I slipped off the heatspreader I already had a doubt just because they were acting so uncommonly... Now it's just confirmed... Unless it's just plain relabeling.. But I would doubt.. At my knowledge OCZ never did that and I don't see why they would start... And they are different dimension from what I already saw... And it would be an excellent way for OCZ to expand their profit since they are probably now one of the biggest Memory Manufacturer since a few years.

I AM SHOCKED :eek: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

These look awfully similar to
3ns parts on Team Value 667
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=149484

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These look awfully similar to
3ns parts on Team Value 667
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=149484

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Similar chips, different PCB. PCBs make a huge diff.

Then that guy doesn't how to overclock... hehe... Those chips will do the same clock on CAS4 then CAS5... hehe....

(just kidding.... Because hats how they reacted to me)

My best guess would be OCZ is getting his IC's made by another manu with their "engineering" and logo.

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After quite a lot of testing... I found out they acted quite weird... over DDR2 1150MHz 4-4-4-5 22-33-3-7-3 at 2.5v... But NOTHING higher at CAS5... ummm... weird.... Wanna know the secret behind it?.... They are completely new chips....

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They look very much like Samsung to me...

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Before I slipped off the heatspreader I already had a doubt just because they were acting so uncommonly... Now it's just confirmed... Unless it's just plain relabeling.. But I would doubt.. At my knowledge OCZ never did that and I don't see why they would start...

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OCZ also (re)labeled Winbond UTT on their DDR VX-modules. It's certainly not the first time.

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These look awfully similar to
3ns parts on Team Value 667
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=149484

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Not really. Those are Powerchip ICs.

Yeah... but the fact they really do not act the same as any samsung I tested, it seems pretty much out of the equation to me.

And I didn't know the VX were relabeled, I never played much much with them.

But I still have the feeling OCZ started to manu their chips... Acts way too different from any other I've tested.

I would instead be interested hearing about OCZ about this.

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it cool ! for 4 sticks and i like heat spreader :)

ps. what is u power supply ?

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OCZ EVOStream 600W << I fall in love pretty cool

Hey RyderOCZ, you got any results at 1T? can you run 1T Command rate with 4 sticks?

Also you say those sticks are rated at 2.4v ? any chance of pushing them further??? :clap:

it's the same memory that hicookie posted with that Kingbox ram.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=40

Only difference is that Ocz's is -25H and kingbox is just -25.

Everyone in that thread seemed to think it was elpida.

Nice clocks..

I absolutely love those heatspreaders ;)

Regards

It's not the same as him... the side and the texture of the chips are not the same...

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But I still have the feeling OCZ started to manu their chips... Acts way too different from any other I've tested.

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No way, there are more manufactures then Micron, Samsung, Qimonda, Elpida, Powerchips and Hynix... it is just another one. Or a relabeld new chip from one of the list.

hehe there is definetly more... but you know why those are the popular ones? Because they actually are the best or more cost efficient... It's either a new manu or a new chip... Only one I can't really say that it's not is Qimonda... never played or saw those before myself...

Compared with all the chips I have here... Nada... :(

And I searched quite a bit for every IC picture I could get of DDR2... Nada.... :(...

Anyone else has an idea?

The relabled chips skate2snow posted pics of are Elpida.
"X42E" = OCZ DDR2 Elpida

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The relabled chips skate2snow posted pics of are Elpida.
"X42E" = OCZ DDR2 Elpida

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How do you know?

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How do you know?

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he is just guessing or saw that X42E some where else

It really takes only a few of moments with google to gather the bits and pieces.
The "E" being Elpida as the chip manufacturer was confirmed by OCZ staff...

LOL...thats for DDR1 m8...the post was made in August 05 when we were pushing DDR1...things have changed a great deal since then ;)

Keep guessing....LOL

:fact:

Show me the money!

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LOL...thats for DDR1 m8...the post was made in August 05 when we were pushing DDR1...things have changed a great deal since then ;)

Keep guessing....LOL

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.... Keep guessing.... ?... Awh :( Thanks Tony :) lol

And BTW.. I attest... lol they are not Elpida... Find me Elpida that kinda loves Voltage and does over 1150MHz 4-4-4 ?

Well. . . has anyone bought some of the XLC CAS 3, would be nice to see some results from some people who purchased these.

yes, 1155MHz 4-4-4 tight sub at 2.4v....

very nice rams :toast:

im gonna guess a new revision of Powerchips

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That's my bet to..

Hi!

Can anybody help me? I have 4 Gb Flex XLC 800 Mhz CL3 memory on a P5B deluxe mobo... I can not go beyond 4-4-4-15 and sub timings from memset 3.2 : 4-35-2-12-12-12-10-12-4 and 906 Mhz in 1:1...And the most important that these results I can made only with 2,35 Volt VDIMM!!!! I don't know whats the problem is....

In the BIOS i tried everything, disable memory remapping, adjust static read control, adjust sub timings etc, higher NB+SB+ICH chipset voltage.... but nothing helped...

Before theses moduls I had 2 Gb micron d9 (teamgroup) and with those memorys I can easily go beyond 1000+ Mhz... With these moduls now I can not hit 5-5-5-18 the 1000Mhz (

P.S: the moduls are now in a watercooling rig, with 31C water temperature...

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Hi!

Can anybody help me? I have 4 Gb Flex XLC 800 Mhz CL3 memory on a P5B deluxe mobo... I can not go beyond 4-4-4-15 and sub timings from memset 3.2 : 4-35-2-12-12-12-10-12-4 and 906 Mhz in 1:1...And the most important that these results I can made only with 2,35 Volt VDIMM!!!! I don't know whats the problem is....

In the BIOS i tried everything, disable memory remapping, adjust static read control, adjust sub timings etc, higher NB+SB+ICH chipset voltage.... but nothing helped...

Before theses moduls I had 2 Gb micron d9 (teamgroup) and with those memorys I can easily go beyond 1000+ Mhz... With these moduls now I can not hit 5-5-5-18 the 1000Mhz (

P.S: the moduls are now in a watercooling rig, with 31C water temperature...

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Well could be 1 of 4 things. . .

1) Your settings, maybe not exactly right within the bios.
2) The P5B memory controller cant handle the same settings as the 680i chipset.
3) The P5B isnt good enough to cope with the same settings as the 680i motherboard.
4) The OCZ PC2-6400 Flex XLC CAS 3 used in the original test are better than the ones you have, I dont like using the word cherry picked besides no one can prove that. :)

3 and 4 are very likely.
5) Also handing 4 modules is more demanding than 2.

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Well could be 1 of 4 things. . .

1) Your settings, maybe not exactly right within the bios.
2) The P5B memory controller cant handle the same settings as the 680i chipset.
3) The P5B isnt good enough to cope with the same settings as the 680i motherboard.
4) The OCZ PC2-6400 Flex XLC CAS 3 used in the original test are better than the ones you have, I dont like using the word cherry picked besides no one can prove that. :)

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The problem is:

When I lowered the VDIMM from 2,35 to 2,25V then the system freeze... That could be only the memory problem... When I raised the NB voltage I can not reach higher clocks....

About point 2:

Some people can reach Cl 4 1100 Mhz on P5B with 1,55 NB voltage...I couldn't do 920 Mhz with 1,65 and the NB is watercooled...


About point 3:

I tried a lot of timings... Not exactly the same as OCZRyder... That coudn't be the problem....

About 4:

Cl4 1066 Mhz with 2,3 volt in the most tests easily , with good sub timings...My setup can with 2,35 volt 906Mhz with the worst sub timings and Cl5 950 can only do with 2,4Volt... So much difference couldn't be in a serie...

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The problem is:

When I lowered the VDIMM from 2,35 to 2,25V then the system freeze... That could be only the memory problem... When I raised the NB voltage I can not reach higher clocks....

About point 2:

Some people can reach Cl 4 1100 Mhz on P5B with 1,55 NB voltage...I couldn't do 920 Mhz with 1,65 and the NB is watercooled...


About point 3:

I tried a lot of timings... Not exactly the same as OCZRyder... That coudn't be the problem....

About 4:

Cl4 1066 Mhz with 2,3 volt in the most tests easily , with good sub timings...My setup can with 2,35 volt 906Mhz with the worst sub timings and Cl5 950 can only do with 2,4Volt... So much difference couldn't be in a serie...

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I've got the truth!

I tried with 2 DIMM's so only 2048 MB... The mobo didn't boot with Cl4-4-4-16 on 1000 Mhz and VDIMM 2,4 Volt... Myold Micron D9 in this mobo easily did Cl4-4-4-12 1000 Mhz with 2,25 Volt and thats was 2048 MB too...
I'm disappointed...

These companies that will not let their chip OEM distribution be known will not get any of my money. Remarking and hiding the manufacturer does not do it for me on any platform.

These are definitely not Micron which has been stated, hence the x-x-x-16-18

I'm sorry, but I am not at all impressed with this performance for $300.00

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I've got the truth!

I tried with 2 DIMM's so only 2048 MB... The mobo didn't boot with Cl4-4-4-16 on 1000 Mhz and VDIMM 2,4 Volt... Myold Micron D9 in this mobo easily did Cl4-4-4-12 1000 Mhz with 2,25 Volt and thats was 2048 MB too...
I'm disappointed...

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What is your rig made up of? What board/CPU/PSU?

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What is your rig made up of? What board/CPU/PSU?

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Hi!

Mobo: P5B Deluxe with te newest BIOS 1101
PSU: Silentmaxx 500 Watt Watercooled
CPU: E6300@3200 Mhz 1,4V
and o course Mem 4 * 1GB Flex XLC Cl3

I found a new review from the net and they reached the same level with this memos like I:

http://www.technic3d.com/?site=artic...icle&a=477&p=1

And they use Asus Commando...Is something wrong with this memos with Asus boards or P965??? Has OCZ tested this moduls with P965 mobos,and what results?

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These companies that will not let their chip OEM distribution be known will not get any of my money. Remarking and hiding the manufacturer does not do it for me on any platform.

These are definitely not Micron which has been stated, hence the x-x-x-16-18

I'm sorry, but I am not at all impressed with this performance for $300.00

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neither am i not impressed @ all

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These companies that will not let their chip OEM distribution be known will not get any of my money. Remarking and hiding the manufacturer does not do it for me on any platform.

These are definitely not Micron which has been stated, hence the x-x-x-16-18

I'm sorry, but I am not at all impressed with this performance for $300.00

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not to sound rude or anything, but do you even know what those numbers mean specifically in relation to performance?

Hmm something tells me that these are the same ram as I have.. They used to clock _really_ bad, but since I changed to the yellow slots on my mobo and adding water to the northbridge - they absolutely fly!

http://2200kbhn.dk/temp/505MHz-mem.jpg

This is with 2.4V I'll try to lower it a bit today, and I'll try 4-4-4 to see if I can go higher. The only problem right now is the motherboard, it is _really_ strange.. 8x472 is 100&#37; stable, but 394x9 is far from stable..


EDIT: I now run it at 2.1V and looser timings

This is the highest I have it by now - maybe there is a tad more to get from it.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=229321

EDIT2: I have found the limit at 2.1V now..

http://psaforum.dk/imageupload/?id=436&db=.jpg

Unfortunately I forgot to get the vcpuid validated :( I'll do that later.

Nice results TB.

These chips are in fact Elpida and don't have a tendency to melt with higher voltages! Also the kit is 159.99 at Newegg without a rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...bXLC%2bCAS%2b3

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EDIT2: I have found the limit at 2.1V now..

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Is that max screen or max orthos/memtest stable?

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Is that max screen or max orthos/memtest stable?

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That is SuperPI 32M stable (and S.T.A.L.K.E.R ;)), didn't have the time to test with orthos or Primes.

Thats pretty good hey, 525.5 MHz 4-4-3-8 at 2.1v is comparable to good D9's at the same voltage :up: I'd be interested to know what their 100% orthos/game stable timings are at 2.1v :)

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Thats pretty good hey, 525.5 MHz 4-4-3-8 at 2.1v is comparable to good D9's at the same voltage :up: I'd be interested to know what their 100% orthos/game stable timings are at 2.1v :)

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I'll let you know about that, but first I have to solve a cooling issue with my computer. :( Just lapped the IHS and remounted the Apogee GT, but coretemp goes from 38 to 57 instantly when starting orthos :(

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I'll let you know about that, but first I have to solve a cooling issue with my computer. :( Just lapped the IHS and remounted the Apogee GT, but coretemp goes from 38 to 57 instantly when starting orthos :(

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thats about right m8 for the temps, I see the same here during my tests

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thats about right m8 for the temps, I see the same here during my tests

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It happens _instantly_ I haven't tried to let orthos run for more than a few seconds as it is now. There definately is an issue with the contact between IHS and WB.

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It happens _instantly_ I haven't tried to let orthos run for more than a few seconds as it is now. There definately is an issue with the contact between IHS and WB.

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Mine shoots straight up from 35*C to 55*C on coretemp when starting orthos, then maxes out at 57/58*C. I think its normal behaviour, i have good HS to cpu contact and am using AS5.
I see a fair few people getting around 60 - 65*C on water. Whats you vcore, around 1.48v?

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Mine shoots straight up from 35*C to 55*C on coretemp when starting orthos, then maxes out at 57/58*C. I think its normal behaviour, i have good HS to cpu contact and am using AS5.
I see a fair few people getting around 60 - 65*C on water. Whats you vcore, around 1.48v?

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at 3.666MHz it's 1.57V under load and 1.6 when idle.

Ok, I'm back again, now it seems like I have sorted the heat issues. And I have vdroop modded my P5N-E SLI.

I'm at 556MHz ram now, 2.1V CAS 5-4-4-15-2T I'll try to get a new screenshot with 525 CAS 4-4-3-8-2T later.

Screenshot will follow.

Sounds good.

Ok, seems like 570MHz CAS 5-4-4 is max at 2.1V - or it is my CPU holding me back. (or more likely the crappy mobo..)

http://psaforum.dk/imageupload/?rsz=1&id=515&db=.jpg

at 572 it's not dual Prime 32M stable, but 1M is just fine ;)