GTX360 or PA120.3 ? which 1 to buy ?

How much is the performance difference between the two ?

GTX360 is cheaper, bit thinner n its also optimized for low cfm fans

is the PA120.3 worth the extra cash, or should i just stick to the GTX360 ?

if the diff in performance is less like 2-3c, then i will buy the GTX360, if its anything more that that, PA120.3 it is


I cant find any real-world comparision out there,

PS: The main config of my WC would be

Pump: MCP 655
CPU block: D-tek FuZion
GPU Block: MCW60 for 8800gtx
Pipes: Tygon 1/2in ID 3/4in OD


Help me guys

TIA
ANP !!! :banana:

:horse:

The PA series of rads is the best-performing series of rads on the market on fans rated at less than 130 CFM. Considering that 130 CFM is pretty crazy (I could imagine it being very loud as well), the PA series is generally considered to be the best. However, they are very expensive. Most people on this forum favor Swiftech's MCR series of rads to all other "budget rads".

The gtx is designed for high cfm\high pressure fans.

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The PA series of rads is the best-performing series of rads on the market on fans rated at less than 130 CFM. Considering that 130 CFM is pretty crazy (I could imagine it being very loud as well), the PA series is generally considered to be the best. However, they are very expensive. Most people on this forum favor Swiftech's MCR series of rads to all other "budget rads".

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Well i have the money to buy the PA120.3, but if the diff isnt much (2 - 3c) its not worth the extra cash IMO, since i can get the GTX360 for like $40 cheaper. I was just wondering, how does a GTX360 perform against the PA120.3 ? :D

Sounds to me like you are trying to justify being cheap and not buying the PA120.3. There's no polite way of saying this... don't be penny wise and pound foolish.. just buy the PA120.3.

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Sounds to me like you are trying to justify being cheap and not buying the PA120.3. There's no polite way of saying this... don't be penny wise and pound foolish.. just buy the PA120.3.

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Well put, if you have the money to spend on the better one (its way better really) don't try to skimp and save the 30 bucks. Its either thermochills or step down to MCR, BIP, Coolingworks, the cheap stuff you know.

The quality of the PA120.3 is exceptional with equal performance. If you buy the PA you will not regret it and the rad will last you for many years. just my $.015

At mountain mods, they have at 129.99. 20 bucks cheaper than at Danger Den.
http://www.mountainmods.com/index.php?cPath=35_48

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At mountain mods, they have at 129.99. 20 bucks cheaper than at Danger Den.
http://www.mountainmods.com/index.php?cPath=35_48

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thx guys
I think i will just buy a PA120.3 :p:. screw the budget, i want the best quality :rolleyes: :toast:

btw.. i want a shop that can ship to my country (India) :rolleyes: recommend a good shop with international shipping :p:

Thermochill supports this board and vise versa, so any opinions on who is better will be bias. I have never used the PA120.3 but I have a GTX360 and it gets better temps than any PA120.3 with the same setup (E6600+8800GTX) that I have seen on this board.

Bottom line, find your own facts, don't trust what people say here. That's what I did and i'm glad that I did :)

( Don't bother flaming, I won't read it :) )

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Thermochill supports this board and vise versa, so any opinions on who is better will be bias. I have never used the PA120.3 but I have a GTX360 and it gets better temps than any PA120.3 with the same setup (E6600+8800GTX) that I have seen on this board.

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Perhaps its something called lower room temp? And also, perhaps its called DUAL 8800GTX???
Not to mention, there are people who actually OWN BOTH RADS and they found PA120.3 is better...

I absolutely detest that insinuation. That's downright defamatory.

It's impossible to compare two rigs, no matter how similar their set up is. There are too many factors that come into play including what blocks were used, mounting, ambient temp, fan cfm, pumps, restriction, tubing, etc. Go on the thermochill website and they have graphs of all the competing rads, and the PA series beats out all the competition in every test when fans are below 130CFM.

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I absolutely detest that insinuation. That's downright defamatory.

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LOL and that guy uses silenX fans... sorry, I did that to direct flaming towards you :p: quiet.

swiftech mcr220 user here...[ducks for cover] :lsfight:

Christ, the mcr series can't be that bad for $45 (triple is $60). CPU,NB, and a hot GPU in my loop, cooled by a double (oh my!) swiftech radiator and low-cfm loons. everything has great temps. who needs 120.3 PA? Anyways, if I could afford one, I would get the PA series. But for now, I'm being resonable.

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Perhaps its something called lower room temp? And also, perhaps its called DUAL 8800GTX???
Not to mention, there are people who actually OWN BOTH RADS and they found PA120.3 is better...

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I haven't even seen one person post that they OWN a GTX none the less compare it to a PA...

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Thermochill supports this board and vise versa, so any opinions on who is better will be bias. I have never used the PA120.3 but I have a GTX360 and it gets better temps than any PA120.3 with the same setup (E6600+8800GTX) that I have seen on this board.

Bottom line, find your own facts, don't trust what people say here. That's what I did and i'm glad that I did :)

( Don't bother flaming, I won't read it :) )

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Marci, the sales rep for Thermochill, posted a very extensive radiator review not too long ago. To my knowledge, it included all modern radiators, or at least the ones that people actually care about. The PA series never lost in terms of performance. I'm not going to use the search function and link you, because, quite frankly, you should have done your research before making such a bold accusation.

That means I have to buy a ThermalChill PA120.3! :p: The price is around $140. That is not a bad price for a great radiator. :)

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Marci, the sales rep for Thermochill, posted a very extensive radiator review not too long ago. Too my knowledge, it included all modern radiators, or at least the ones that people actually care about. The PA series never lost in terms of performance. I'm not going to use the search function and link you, because, quite frankly, you should have done your research before making such a bold accusation.

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I have seen those stats and I find it funny that they were made BY Thermochill, and every Rad other than the PA120.3 has restrictive barbs. Just funny to me. I want some unbias stats is all :)

You really think the barbs are what make a rad good or bad? You know what, since you have so much money to waste on silenx fans why don't you buy some rads and test them?

Unlike you serialk11r, I don't talk out of my ass about parts I don't own. I will buy a PA120.3 for my next rig in about a month, test it in my own (replace the GTX360) and post the results.

I have the GTX360 and it seems to be working fine for me. This is the Gen2 version, not really sure what that means. I have my QX6700 at 3.3g @ 1.45v. Ambient temp right now is 20c and I'm idleing at 39c and loads at 54c. Those temps are fairly respectable I think.

Funny thing is everyone says how you need high cfm fans to get the performance outta this rad. I only get about 2-3c difference between 30%-100% with my 71cfm fans. Anything below 50% fan speed and the rad is silent. I've been very happy with mine.

I still might have to buy a PA though...just to see for myself. :toast:

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You really think the barbs are what make a rad good or bad? You know what, since you have so much money to waste on silenx fans why don't you buy some rads and test them?

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Serial do you have a PA120.3? Have you tested rads yourself?

I dont feel like quoting cause I am tired but to whoever said that the PA series are better with anything less then 130 CFM... you are wrong... before you go and make up numbers please just back up and think for a minute. Tests done by BillA, Marci ect... show that around the 70-90 CFM mark All the top contenders close the gap on the PA series. Below 50 CFM however... nothing can touch the PA series rads.

And to whoever said Marci posted an extensive review... this does not include th e GTX series as of yet AFAIK. I will search into this as it has been a month or so since I have been reading regularly on here.

What it comes down to is if you want the "Best" get a PA series rad. If you are using 100+ CFM fans then the GTX series are an option. If you want silence then get a PA. I went with a GTX based on size alone... pic below will show why.

http://pics.livejournal.com/bun_bun/pic/0009y2tf

A thermochill would not fit in there lol. BTW I am using Panaflo's FBA12G12U's @ 7v in push pull...

Thermochill DOES NOT support this forum. Marci is NOT a sales rep. He founded thermochill like 5 years ago because he wanted a better radiator. He merely posts actively on this forum because he's an enthusiast like us. He posts on all the forums that are related to watercooling.

The PA series rads have been independently tested by BillA (during which tests he has results for a BI GTS for reference).

I have a swiftech rad because the thermochills are so darned expensive. If I had the cash, however, I'd get a thermochill rad. and you can't accuse bias from me, because I hate this forum. lol, jk.

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As far as the TC sponsorship, not even sure about that, and have my doubts.

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There is NO sponsorship deal between ThermoChill and XS. I was a member on XS long before ThermoChill ever existed, and have remained one since ThermoChill was founded.

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I have seen those stats and I find it funny that they were made BY Thermochill

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ALL testing on ThermoChill rads was done INDEPENDANTLY. The only testing done by myself was comparative of PA Model to PA Model and included NONE of the competitions' rads.

http://www.thermochill.com/PATesting - all tests done independantly by BillAdams of Thermal Management Testing - the guy who DESIGNED the Swiftech MCR series of Radiators, and the Coolingworks radiators... so highly doubt there's any bias going in ThermoChill's direction there.

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Bottom line, find your own facts, don't trust what people say here. That's what I did and i'm glad that I did

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Obviously the "facts" that you found weren't "facts" in the slightest *shrug*.

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Thermochill supports this board and vise versa, so any opinions on who is better will be bias. I have never used the PA120.3 but I have a GTX360 and it gets better temps than any PA120.3 with the same setup (E6600+8800GTX) that I have seen on this board.

Bottom line, find your own facts, don't trust what people say here. That's what I did and i'm glad that I did :)

( Don't bother flaming, I won't read it :) )

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I have a PA120.3 and a GTX 480. I've tried them both on my E6700 and 8800GTX in SLI. Although we aren't comparing apples to apples here (I don't have a GTX 360) the 480 beats the 120.3 hands down, no contest. If you're cooling a rig with dual 8800s and really want to get your temps down definitely go with 480 as the 120.3 does a mediocre job on that configuration. If you have a single 8800 it will probably be plenty, but not for SLI rigs.

Then again it depends what temps you're looking for. On the aforementioned hardware with no overclock I got temps up to 61c on the GPUs under load and it raised ambient room temps from around 21 to 25/26. On the 480 the gpu load temps would typically remain around 55c. There was an overall increase in CPU and MB temps as well, probably because of the hotter GPUs. Idle temps were a few degrees higher on the 120.3. Having that extra 120 on the end makes a difference with dual 8800s....would like to see a PA120.4 heh.

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I have a PA120.3 and a GTX 480. I've tried them both on my E6700 and 8800GTX in SLI. Although we aren't comparing apples to apples here (I don't have a GTX 360) the 480 beats the 120.3 hands down, no contest. If you're cooling a rig with dual 8800s and really want to get your temps down definitely go with 480 as the 120.3 does a mediocre job on that configuration. If you have a single 8800 it will probably be plenty, but not for SLI rigs.

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Let me get this straight. You are passing an overclocked Core 2 and two G80s through a single radiator? Good luck.

Incidently, from your empirical point of view, what's the differential between the GTX480 and the PA120.3 ?

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Let me get this straight. You are passing an overclocked Core 2 and two G80s through a single radiator? Good luck.

Incidently, from your empirical point of view, what's the differential between the GTX480 and the PA120.3 ?

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No overclock - just stock. Now that I have a 480 and a 120.3 I was thinking of getting an extra pump and using both. One for the CPU and one for the GPUs. Is it worth it do that or not really?

Btw, it wasn't empirical. I recorded idle and load temps using the standard apps, but I don't have them with me which is why I can't post them. The point of the post though is just to make a note that a 480 is a better choice for dual 8800s though, not to knock the 120.3, which I'm sure is fine for other configs. If you want lower temps on dual 8800s, especially if you're overclocked, then you really need a 480, two 120.3s, or something along those lines.

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No overclock - just stock. Now that I have a 480 and a 120.3 I was thinking of getting an extra pump and using both. One for the CPU and one for the GPUs. Is it worth it do that or not really?

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Of course its worth every penny. Putting two G80s together with a cpu on one radiator is not the best of ideas, no matter how good the radiator. You will do well to seperate into two independent loops.

You haven't answered my question though... how much better is the GTX480 compared to the PA120.3 ?

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Of course its worth every penny. Putting two G80s together with a cpu on one radiator is not the best of ideas, no matter how good the radiator. You will do well to seperate into two independent loops.

You haven't answered my question though... how much better is the GTX480 compared to the PA120.3 ?

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Don't have the 'official' numbers in front of me I can roughly tell you. About 6c on load with the GPUs, 4-5c on the MB, and 4-6c on the CPU. That's based on an ambient room temp around 21c. That's what I discovered this weekend. 480 is quite large though and unless you have a monster case it's difficult to mount, whereas the PA120.3 fits nicely on the top or inside many cases.

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Don't have the 'official' numbers in front of me I can roughly tell you. About 6c on load with the GPUs, 4-5c on the MB, and 4-6c on the CPU. That's based on an ambient room temp around 21c. That's what I discovered this weekend. 480 is quite large though and unless you have a monster case it's difficult to mount, whereas the PA120.3 fits nicely on the top or inside many cases.

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Thank you for the information. That was all I was after. Honestly, I would much prefer multiple Thermochills rather than relying on a GTX480. I have seen some people mount the GTX480 with a RadBox at the back, but it is quite unsightly.

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Don't have the 'official' numbers in front of me I can roughly tell you. About 6c on load with the GPUs, 4-5c on the MB, and 4-6c on the CPU. That's based on an ambient room temp around 21c.

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/me bites tongue

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Appreciate if you could share your expertise. We can all benefit from your knowledge and insights. Please don't muzzle yourself.

IIRC according to Marci the GTX480 starts to outperform the pa120.3 at the 1000-1200rpm mark.

LOL.

Okay. Here's my thoughts. Make of it what you will.

The only way that devices change in temperature by changing the radiator is through a change in the water temperatures. Flow rates also have an impact, but overall the radiator, especially a Thermochill, is going to be a very minor part of overall flow resistance. Low enough to be negligible in a loop with many blocks - so let's discount any changes in flow rates as being part of the factor, and focus on water temperatures alone.

Said person is reporting what appear to be a 5C delta (average) between the two radiators, corresponding to a 5C water temp delta. If we assume that the per-120.1 sectional cooling performance was equal between the two radiators, then this mathematically that the water temperature on the PA120.3 would have to be at least 20C above ambient.

At 20C above ambient, even with 3 x Nexus fans (38cfm) at 12v, we're talking a total heat load of around 650W required to generate such a large water temp delta, at the very least.

I cannot believe that there is 650W of heat load in such a system. I believe that other factors are at play.

I do not know what. I would be most curious to know the water temp rise above ambient air intake delta is.

Many thanks for the valuable insights.

but cathar, would temp differences on the cpu, gpu, and nb between systems necessarily be equal to coolant temp difference between same two systems? the thermal resistance of each wb would then make coolant temp diffs less, no? or am I stupid at math.

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but cathar, would temp differences on the cpu, gpu, and nb between systems necessarily be equal to coolant temp difference between same two systems?

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I thought we were talking about the same system here.

by diff systems I meant diff rads. I thought if you change the rad (and rad alone) it's a diff cooling system.

edit: so does what I'm saying not make sense?

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by diff systems I meant diff rads. I thought if you change the rad (and rad alone) it's a diff cooling system.

edit: so does what I'm saying not make sense?

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If it means anything, I sure don't understand what you're trying to get across. I'm sure it's a good point, I just don't understand it.

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by diff systems I meant diff rads. I thought if you change the rad (and rad alone) it's a diff cooling system.

edit: so does what I'm saying not make sense?

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I already explained, and factored in, the differences in the system with respect to changing the radiator. Re-read what I wrote.

Aside from the minor differences in flow rate, about the only thing that should change is the water temperature, given a constant heat load.

I personally think that something else was occuring in that setup. The differences in water temperature alone simply cannot be that large between those two radiators, with that sort of heat load. Controlled tests in fact show that for weak fans, there'd be little to no difference at all. For stronger fans, maybe some difference, but certainly not 4-6C. Something else is occurring.

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Serial do you have a PA120.3? Have you tested rads yourself?

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No but what I meant was, do you think the barbs affect the rad's performance more than the rad itself? If so then people wouldn't be buying better rads, they would be buying better barbs (which doesn't make that much sense lol).

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No but what I meant was, do you think the barbs affect the rad's performance more than the rad itself? If so then people wouldn't be buying better rads, they would be buying better barbs (which doesn't make that much sense lol).

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I seriously doubt the barbs are affecting the over all performance of the rad.

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I seriously doubt the barbs are affecting the over all performance of the rad.

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Exactly, that guy was saying the testing was biased because it was done with different barbs....

Cathar, all I was arguing was this point:

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Said person is reporting what appear to be a 5C delta (average) between the two radiators, corresponding to a 5C water temp delta.

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But now I think I'm wrong, nvm.

i'd much rather understand WHY cpu temp difference corresponds to equal coolant temp difference than just be told that it's the case, even from cathar. if wc forums have taught ME anything...

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i'd much rather understand WHY cpu temp difference corresponds to equal coolant temp difference than just be told that it's the case, even from cathar. if wc forums have taught ME anything...

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Ok, it's like this. You understand the concept of C/W right? For every wattage of heat that the CPU is putting out, the thing being cooled will increase by C temperature.

Ok, so if we've got that down-pat, what is all this relative to? What is doing the cooling? The water-block, right? What is it about the water-block that's doing the cooling? The water inside it. What about the water? It's temperature. If the water is hot (let's say we hooked it up to the hot water service and feeding it a never-ending stream of 60C temperature water), and the CPU is not putting out any heat at all (turned off) what will the CPU temperature be? Ultimately it'll get pretty damn close to the temperature of the water, right?

So we turn the CPU on. What will happen? It'll get hotter, because it's emitting heat. It started off at 60C (being the water temperature), and it'll increase in temperature by an amount proportional to the C/W of the waterblock.

i.e. the water temperature dictates the base-line above which the device's temperature will rise above.

Note: the above doesn't include secondary heat paths, such as the motherboard providing some measure of cooling based upon the ambient air temp, and heat from the CPU conducting across the MB and convecting into the air. For purposes of simplicity, we'll assume that it is a negligible proportion of the total cooling power provided by the waterblock when water temperatures are close(ish) to ambient. In practise, the motherboard generally provides between 1-10% of the total cooling effect on the CPU, depending on how effective the cooling device on the CPU is.

The upshot of all of the above is that if your water temperatures are cooler by 5C, then your devices will be pretty close to 5C cooler as well. In correlation, if your devices are all now 5C cooler than before, and nothing else changes (heat workload from the devices that is) then the water must now be ~5C cooler than before.

yes, I knew I could count on the most patient of the wc gurus.

i still dont see how you could not attribute an addional 120mm of rad to 5c.

assume for a moment the all mighty god of the gods pa3120 is equall in flowrate reduction and heat-dissipation at a given airflow rate to a gtx 360. could an aditional 120 be equal to that 5c?

did you change anything between the two tests other than the rads massa?

Of course the additional 120mm cannot equal 5C. 5C on top of all that would be like giving the rad 1500W. Sure 5C could happen, you just need 50C water:D Okay look I didn't do any hard math but I hope you get my point, just compare the surface area increase, the temperature increase of the water, the cooling capacities vs. temp difference, etc.

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IIRC according to Marci the GTX480 starts to outperform the pa120.3 at the 1000-1200rpm mark.

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No. According to RADICAL53's testing, the GTX480 starts to outperform the PA120.3 at the 1000 to 1200rpm mark when using YateLoon fans. I haven't said a word on the matter myself, and the airflow involved hasn't been mentioned as yet for this 480 > 120.3 comparison.

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PA160 with 1x Panaflo M1A @ 7v: CPU - 21 GPU - 22
HE120.3 with 3x ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ : CPU - 18 GPU - 19
PA120.2 with 2x ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ : CPU - 17.7 GPU - 18
2x PA160 with 1x ^^ on each ^ : CPU - 15.8 GPU - 15.1
PA120.3 with 3x ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ : CPU - 15 GPU - 15

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Note delta between PA120.2 and PA120.3 with fixed heatload (500-ish watts) in excess of that which we're talking here... 2.7 degrees difference for a surface area / airflow increase of a single additional fan... (see link in my sig for full figures...)

For reference, masaville's rig in question here works out to 373w heatload if it's an E6700, Dual 8800GTX's, all at stock, with an assumed 18w for pump heatdump... which (with a PA120.3) should be coolable to a 10 deg Air > Coolant Differential at the radiator by 80-ish CFM fans (Panaflo 120mm H1A @ 7v) assuming flowrate between 5 and 6lpm. In a room temp of 20 deg C, this gives a baseline of 30 deg C to start the c/w calcs from.

Just heard from masaville - he's using SilenX Pro fans on both rads - if that helps diagnose stuff Cathar...

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* Fan Swept Forward Fan Blade Design
* Smoother, Thinner Fan Blades
* Highly Efficient Hybrid Bearings
* Silicone Vibration Dampening Mounts
* Weighted Steel Screws
* Sleeved Power Cable
* 3rd Wire RPM Sensor
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The airflow and noiselevel figures are "questionable" at best based on SPCR's testing iirc... with those particular fans I'm guesstimating the PA120.3 would at BEST shift 300w of heatload... should also be noted there is an XSPC Passive Reservoir in the loop also, positioning of which if insufficient fans were used on the PA120.3 and XSPC res were in the airflow path would result in coolant being heated additionally, thus negating part of the radiator's cooling effect... XSPC Res = aluminium car oil cooler - http://www.xspc.biz/reservoirs.php

Yikes....this thread is way over my head. :eek: Sorry, I'm not watercooling guru and I'll be the first to admit that, but I can tell you what I tested with if that helps.

E6700 with dual 8800 GTXs in the loop
680i MB
850 Strider PSU
Dtek Fuzion block, DD 8800 blocks, XSPC passive res, Tygon tubing, OCZ 5+ thermal paste, MCP655 pump (at max setting)

Loop order is rad > res > pump > cpu > gpu > gpu >

For the tests all tubing was the same length and no other blocks, pumps, etc. where changed/removed. I simply swapped the reservoirs and bled them after the swap to make sure all of the air was out of the loop. In this case I used G200 coolant with distilled water, 80/20 mix (usually use Fluid XP, but I didn't want to waste it). Fans on the rads were Silenx Pros, 1400rpm, 72cfm (apparently, decent fans though) and rads were tested with fans at min and fans at max.

I can say that at max fan setting the 480 did outperform the 120.3 as mentioned earlier, but as someone mentioned earlier maybe there's a problem with the loop? Should the difference in temps between the two rads be that much and if not, what do you think the problem could be? I'll flush and clean the loop this weekend and redo it see if there was a problem.

Are there any threads on the board that anyone knows of with a similar rig/rad where temps have been posted that I can use for comparison?

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i still dont see how you could not attribute an addional 120mm of rad to 5c.

assume for a moment the all mighty god of the gods pa3120 is equall in flowrate reduction and heat-dissipation at a given airflow rate to a gtx 360. could an aditional 120 be equal to that 5c?

did you change anything between the two tests other than the rads massa?

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Nope no change at all. Everything the same, fluid mix to top off the rad replacement coming from the same jug. Just swapped the rads and topped it up, bled out the air, and loaded it up. I'm going to redo the loop this weekend and see what the results are. I'll be sure to post some concrete numbers for the board gurus to analyze heh.

Where are the numbers bro :rolleyes: i want them :D.

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thx guys
I think i will just buy a PA120.3 :p:. screw the budget, i want the best quality :rolleyes: :toast:

btw.. i want a shop that can ship to my country (India) :rolleyes: recommend a good shop with international shipping :p:

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Where are the recommendations. I want them bro. lol

But seriously now, you would pay almost 2.5-3 times as much for a PA120.2 or put up with a GTS240? That's how it will be inc. shipping from either DDstore or Themorchill.

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Where are the recommendations. I want them bro. lol

But seriously now, you would pay almost 2.5-3 times as much for a PA120.2 or put up with a GTS240? That's how it will be inc. shipping from either DDstore or Themorchill.

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Shipping for the whole will be like under 80$,

i can get a GTX360 for 126$ shipped
and a PA120.3 for like 171-175$ shipped. I mean thats a bit of difference, almost 50$.

Do any1 here have tested the GTX360 ? i really cant see even 1 test done.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by quiet

Thermochill supports this board and vise versa, so any opinions on who is better will be bias. I have never used the PA120.3 but I have a GTX360 and it gets better temps than any PA120.3 with the same setup (E6600+8800GTX) that I have seen on this board.

Bottom line, find your own facts, don't trust what people say here. That's what I did and i'm glad that I did :)

( Don't bother flaming, I won't read it :) )

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I call shenanigans. Back up your "data" please. We have hundreds of people always looking for the best performing parts. If what you said was true, Thermochill would have pulled off the dupe of the century fooling all of our hardcore enthusiasts here.

2) GTX's? Why bother when for the same price you can get Swiftech Rads. If you cant afford a PA, then the only other option is a coolingworks/Swiftech rad. I've found all other rad's to be crappy.

well idk where you are getting off accusing us all of being bought off by Thermochill, which is ridiculous, but there is some LOGIC as to why they are good:

-the Thermochill has more tube surface area, this results in inherently better cooling, why? because the fins (which GTX has a billion of) don't do all that much cooling, most of the heat wont ever get to the fins.

-the GTX has small tubes, they are MORE restrictive than the PA (albeit still providing decent flow)

- the GTX has so many fins that you need a delta fan to actually get the same air throughput of the PA.

these things I have said make sense by logic, please don't come in hear arguing against logic, or you will lose. It's universal rule #1

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Originally Posted by IanY

Sounds to me like you are trying to justify being cheap and not buying the PA120.3. There's no polite way of saying this... don't be penny wise and pound foolish.. just buy the PA120.3.

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AGREE 100%

thermochill FTW!:woot: :toast: :clap:

It's pretty reasonable to buy a BI radiator if you can't get a Swiftech one. That's why I have two BI rads: one of them only cost me A$25, I couldn't get postage on an MCR for that.

As for temps, you also need to thing carefully about the ambient temp. The effectiveness of any cooling device improves with temperature differential. My typical room temp is 22C or more: either I have the heating on or it's warmer than that just by dint of the weather. Suffice to say that fact renders a 17.5C CPU temp unachievable with vanilla w/c, and so I am quite happy with the temps I get (which are maybe 4C above ambient, but not like I measure with anything more accurate than TAT, I'm hardly fussed, my machine is stable).

Back on point: unless you control ambient temp, your temp readings don't mean a thing.

LOL guys... ok i give up.

Ordered a TC PA120.3 directly from their website, my friend ordered 3 of them 1 for me n 1 for another friend.

Ordering rest of the things tomo :) thru sidewinders.

Thx guys anyways.. i just found it hard to convince myself getting something inferior. :) :rolleyes:

you will not be disappointed, I have four blocks in my loop, and the PA handles them well. Granted I am using an RD30 to move water, so I am not quite sure how much that influences performance.

I might even add a 5th block, just to see what it can really do.

z z z z ANP you guys made the wise choice. z z z

no one ever compare these 2 RADS , and there r so much fight about the 2 , and PA120.3 always wins after those fight

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Originally Posted by ANP !!!

LOL guys... ok i give up.

Ordered a TC PA120.3 directly from their website, my friend ordered 3 of them 1 for me n 1 for another friend.

Ordering rest of the things tomo :) thru sidewinders.

Thx guys anyways.. i just found it hard to convince myself getting something inferior. :) :rolleyes:

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how much was shipping?

FOr me direct from Thermochill was over 1/2 the price of the product it self....

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Originally Posted by GMX

how much was shipping?

FOr me direct from Thermochill was over 1/2 the price of the product it self....

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Me n my friends bought 3x PA120.3s. So it was 76Pounds of shipping for the whole package n each PA costed 46Pounds.

So 46+25.33 Pounds for Each PA120.3 shipped.

Shipping was DHL Express worldwide 2-3 days :), (thats the reason why its expensive, i think they dont have any other shipping option :slap:)

[Edit]I just tracked the shipping n it has already arrived at my friends place :), he will ship it to me hopefully soon :p: man that was fast.
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As I have stated before when you have to compare a 120.4 to equal (or surpass) a PA120.3 what is the point? Now a PA120.4 would be the Godzilla of all rads. :toast: :toast:

ANP
Wow Things have changed since I shipped through Delhi in the '70s!
One side of the airport to the other took a week back then. lol

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Rads arrived.. :D

Being a GTX owner I thought I would come give my $0.02 even though you already chose and purchased a Thermochill.

I have a GTX240 and my only problems with it is it is a 240... wish it was a 360 but due to my case it was the best I could fit. I probably would have gone with a thermochill but it wouldn't have fit either due to how much bigger they are over the GTX.

Looking at my performace vs PA120.2 there doesn't seem to be much of a difference but I am also running 70CFM fans in push pull (gives about the same performance 114CFM Panaflo's in pull alone and is much quiter) as where the thermochill only needs 50 or less CFM.

Basically Thermochills are the low CFM optimized RAD and are the best out there. If you can fit it... get it.

Also some others have mentioned previously and I can now attest to... the desner fins on the GTX causes problems with dust and such... Last night I started stress testing and my water to air delta quickly climed to 6°C when it used to be 3°C... At closer inpsection of the rad I could see it was clogged with dust and cat hair... canned air didn't help but my vaccumm did :D pulled out a huge ball of cat hair and then my water to air delta dropped... This would be less of a problem with thermochills.

GTX are good rads and don't deserve all the bashing they have gotten. I am happy with my performace for now but my quad core really needs a tripple 120mm rad... That being said though... if you can fit it... and have the cash, there is no reason not to get a thermochill.

@Cathar's post regarding CPU temp vs water temp... It is not linear. There are secondary heat paths and other heat sources that are cooled. When my Ambient drops by 2°C my water temp drops by 3°C and my CPU drops by 3-5°C.