Feedback needed from everyone here PLEASE!

Since i've moved back to the Atlanta area, I haven't been able to find any work. This has been for 8 months now. I just got back my tax return, and was HOPING to have this little amount of money start a little, yet "successful" business, however this won't happen without EVERYONES FEEDBACK, so please continue to read this:

I have been dealing w/ building computers for 10+ years (like most of us here have) I have been pondering an idea of making / producing external W/Cing solutions much like the Koolance Exos units, but ones that perform exceptionally well w/ high OC's My units will all feature pumps, radiators, tubing, blocks (which might be optional) that are well known, and perform extremely well!

I am undecided about the case to house this all into, but am working REALLY hard trying to find something that is aesthetically pleasing, yet not to overly big. I would like to make it out of aluminum, but metal / plexiglass is possible as-well.

I would like feedback from everyone here if this is something you would be interested in, and or would be interested in purchasing? My target prices should fall into the 275-350 range if all goes right. Any tips or case ideas would be MUCH appreciated And if all works out perfectly (which I REALLY HOPE) my customer service will always be TOP NOTCH as im a very personable type of guy!

Thank you for spending the time to read this

Seth

so you want to build custom WC setups? sounds like a plan:)

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so you want to build custom WC setups? sounds like a plan:)

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Thank you:) . Just having a REALLY hard time finding the right case, and or building it. I bought a metal break, but cant bend it just right, and am getting really upset cause I really want to make a really nice looking case, but it isn't easy.

The case, maybe something like a Vapochill case be nice!

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The case, maybe something like a Vapochill case be nice!

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It could be, but I find that rather "bulky" and really to big for what it needs to be. I can keep costs down considerably if I can just find the right case, or build it right....

CM stacker is super easy to setup for OC, might be a little expensive for you?:confused:

PS check out Raidmax Katana series cases

It'll all come down to a rad, pump, res, whats used/offer then to house around it! Get that sorted, then do some layouts on paper and draw round them then draw a box around them.

Hope it works out for you dude. I just started to make my own MTB frames. 2 protos out being beatne now and all is looking good

I really think you need to think about this a bit more. Most people here don't buy pre-configured water cooled systems and those that do end up building their own eventually anyways.

I don't know, maybe it's just me and I don't want to burst your bubble, but I have virtually no interest in pre-configured external setups. And I think that most here would agree. Now maybe if you put together setups like Petra does and offer his level of support but then of course you'd be competing against Petra and that would be tough.

It comes down to the design really, a rad is probably straightforward and pump too, if you're not stupid. If you're making a housing then a res should be no problem either. But a problem with these things is that they're sorta, well non-versatile, and the user has less flexibility to adapt the stuff to their own use. I think an attractive case design with some kind of digital controller that tells you the temperature of the water, air, and tells you the pump speed as well as voltage, fan voltage, and pressure maybe would be really cool, squeeze it all on an LCD. Of course that would be pretty hard to do.

Maybe, but Petra is constantly bombarded with PMs and half of the stuff is out of stock in his online shop...

I'd say if I were to look for a custom wc setup, I would choose the guy who is just starting and has everything in stock and ready to go (you).

Come out and show people your work, if people will admire you, they will want to buy your setups. I've never heard of Vadim computers until of late, but once I saw their custom WC systems, I was sold.

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Maybe, but Petra is constantly bombarded with PMs and half of the stuff is out of stock in his online shop...

I'd say if I were to look for a custom wc setup, I would choose the guy who is just starting and has everything in stock and ready to go (you).

Come out and show people your work, if people will admire you, they will want to buy your setups. I've never heard of Vadim computers until of late, but once I saw their custom WC systems, I was sold.

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Thanks bud. Tomorrow im going to start another case design and see how it goes. This is obviously going to take some time, but i'll make it work:cool: goiing to make dinner now, i'll talk to you all later.........

I've actually gotten a few pm's on forums here and there from random people asking for my opinion on basically the same thing you're trying to do. So it sounds like a lot of people are trying to do the same thing. What you've said so far sounds like you're willing to go a lot more in depth though, which is a good thing.

Something I've been thinking about myself is how to design a case such that space is extremely efficiently used, while at the same time, no one component blocks access to another. For instance, in my current setup (using a free ultra wizard), I've got the radiator fitted nicely at the top of the case. However, to remove the motherboard, I need to remove the rear fan, psu, and radiator. When I had my ds3, I was able to finesse it out by using a dremel to make a notch in the lower inner lip of the case. To remove the psu, I need to drop the rad, and remove a fan. Everything is a real pain, but I can't see any better way to do it in my current case.

That's why I need choosing / making a good case design is so important. It's kind of like buying a poorly designed car, where changing the alternator will end up costing a grand in labor alone, because of all the work involved.

I wish you the best of luck.

An idea I've been having is to have the main side case panel actually be two pieces instead of just one. That way, you could have a lower or upper compartment with just a radiator on there, and it wouldn't get in the way of things. Hell, I've even thought about using a push-button controlled latch, and pneumatics to open the panel and support it open.

Good luck and keep us updated!

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I've actually gotten a few pm's on forums here and there from random people asking for my opinion on basically the same thing you're trying to do. So it sounds like a lot of people are trying to do the same thing. What you've said so far sounds like you're willing to go a lot more in depth though, which is a good thing.

Something I've been thinking about myself is how to design a case such that space is extremely efficiently used, while at the same time, no one component blocks access to another. For instance, in my current setup (using a free ultra wizard), I've got the radiator fitted nicely at the top of the case. However, to remove the motherboard, I need to remove the rear fan, psu, and radiator. When I had my ds3, I was able to finesse it out by using a dremel to make a notch in the lower inner lip of the case. To remove the psu, I need to drop the rad, and remove a fan. Everything is a real pain, but I can't see any better way to do it in my current case.

That's why I need choosing / making a good case design is so important. It's kind of like buying a poorly designed car, where changing the alternator will end up costing a grand in labor alone, because of all the work involved.

I wish you the best of luck.

An idea I've been having is to have the main side case panel actually be two pieces instead of just one. That way, you could have a lower or upper compartment with just a radiator on there, and it wouldn't get in the way of things. Hell, I've even thought about using a push-button controlled latch, and pneumatics to open the panel and support it open.

Good luck and keep us updated!

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You got it;)

I can see something like ddc2+ pump, double rad and a nice controller fit inside an aluminum box. if you can make it as compact and as good-looking as Exos 2 (performing MUCH better of course), I can imagine a lot of people showing interest in it, especially those who are too lazy to learn about the whole deal and just want a simple straightforward kit. it shouldn't be that hard...

I'm not convinced this will ever fly.
Personally, this is a hobby. As such, buying a kit would take all the fun out of it. I mean how do you justify a simple CPU block when there can be no agreement on this forum as to how the FuZion compares to the GT. If there is no standard, how do you measure the alternatives available in a kit. Just not sure of the value add you would bring to the table. If you provide multiple blocks in your kit, why would'nt I want to buy them from the manufacturer at likely a lesser cost ???

Then again, I've been wrong many times and just may need to chalk this up to ignorance.

Best of luck.

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I'm not convinced this will ever fly.
Personally, this is a hobby. As such, buying a kit would take all the fun out of it. I mean how do you justify a simple CPU block when there can be no agreement on this forum as to how the FuZion compares to the GT. If there is no standard, how do you measure the alternatives available in a kit. Just not sure of the value add you would bring to the table. If you provide multiple blocks in your kit, why would'nt I want to buy them from the manufacturer at likely a lesser cost ???

Then again, I've been wrong many times and just may need to chalk this up to ignorance.

Best of luck.

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There are still rich little teenagers who want the coolest (no pun intended) of things, and they'd be probably the biggest target audience. However, the problem with this is that they'll usually go for the more name brand assemblies, and as of such, most of them end up with a koolance or something and suffer poor performance, but yet could care less because they've got the coolness and can't be bothered to actually learn how to make it better (or actually want to make it better).

Hmmmmm. Rich Teenagers.
Being a father of one of those, I think I can understand.

I guess it's possible that teenagers are making buying decisions in some households, this just isn't one of them. She gets what I hand down.

Are you saying teenagers are dictating buying preferences? I know this to be the case with regard to cell phones, iPOD's but her computer is just what I give her. As a matter of fact, she seems grateful to have her own computer with DSL connectivity.

Just can't see her having water cooling requests, but maybe that is a guy thing to meet our overclocking requirements. Hmm. requests.

The problem is that with such a small niche, you'd need to go national. This would then get complicated if anything got damaged in shipping. Anyone in the market for a prebuilt watercooling setup is probably going to go with koolance.

You're much better off doing computer service and repair. It's pretty lucrative as long as geek squad continues to charge like 180$ to install an IDE cable. Just post attractive looking fliers on busy streets and in outdoor malls and maybe do a little local advertising to get started. Then you can rely on word of mouth to continue your success. Just make sure you're competent, cheap, and a nice person. Also, you may want to consider getting A+ certified or some other BS certification to make things look more professional. Creating a website would help as well. One of the main things you have to overcome is the blandness of most "mom and pop" computer repair/service companies. You're working with technology, so make it look like so. Wear a stylish uniform, use catchy advertising, and if you build computers use sleek cases.

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Hmmmmm. Rich Teenagers.
Being a father of one of those, I think I can understand.

I guess it's possible that teenagers are making buying decisions in some households, this just isn't one of them. She gets what I hand down.

Are you saying teenagers are dictating buying preferences? I know this to be the case with regard to cell phones, iPOD's but her computer is just what I give her. As a matter of fact, she seems grateful to have her own computer with DSL connectivity.

Just can't see her having water cooling requests, but maybe that is a guy thing to meet our overclocking requirements. Hmm. requests.

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I can't speak from the parenting front, but speaking from some people that I know of (probably a little older than your daughter), there are people... For instance, my friend's roommate picked up a large flat screen tv (40" lcd) to one up my friend's 42" plasma, matched up to his 5.1 sound system (why the hell do you need 2 5.1 systems in a triple dorm??), and so on and so forth. Kind of sickening.

Actually rich people don't necessarily treat kids like that. It depends on ethnicity and the parents themselves.
Okay look, theres this kid whos adopted by a super rich guy, and he has a 7000 dollar alienware computer (fx62, 7950gx2 sli), with that stupid koolance liquid cooling ('alien ice') and he's got a 30 inch screen for it. He's got his own 40" tv, a ps3, and his dad has a 72" tv... All in a nice big mansion...

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Actually rich people don't necessarily treat kids like that. It depends on ethnicity and the parents themselves.
Okay look, theres this kid whos adopted by a super rich guy, and he has a 7000 dollar alienware computer (fx62, 7950gx2 sli), with that stupid koolance liquid cooling ('alien ice') and he's got a 30 inch screen for it. He's got his own 40" tv, a ps3, and his dad has a 72" tv... All in a nice big mansion...

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So life is good in your house ??? To bad dad won't share the 72".
j/k I actually like the levity/sanity you bring to these forums.

Man I hear that. And it's even more disturbing to hear that from you, since we're now talking about 13 year olds with that kind of stuff. That's even more gruesome than seeing it from college kids

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So life is good in your house ??? To bad dad won't share the 72".
j/k I actually like the levity/sanity you bring to these forums.

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Why thanks for the complement, they are quite rare...

Don't know if this might help you out, came across it the other day.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/...ase/index.html

Good luck to ya m8.

Coming from a person that owns his own th your ownbusiness knows how hard it is to make a mark. If you decide to go withng with your own rather thenyou own WC system i suggest going on your own rather then selling someone else's. The thing with this is you will need to do a crap load of R&D. Im in the car performance business and it took me 3 yrs to R&D my own turbo kit. In the end your not kicking a ton load of money to a vendor who isnt giving you much of a discount over retail unless your buying in lots of a 1,000. Im not familar with the PC business end but i do know about business period as ive been doing this for 16 yrs. Ive seen guys start a business in their house and they're now one of the leaders in their field


Just a thought........

BTW, i love this site. Ive been into modding PC's for many years and im a member of quite a few of the big PC forum's and XS is by far the best, Hands down. Everything i need to know is here, any info i need..is here. Ive seen quite a few of my personal first........... Sorry, rumblin' on...Late night & im tired

-DreadZ:toast:

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No thanks needed. After 28 years of working on water cooled machines running everything from VS1 to VSE to VM to MVS to OS/390 to z/OS and z/Linux, yours is a refreshing voice. I get a real kick out of how seriously people take these little PC's we run as a hobby and at the same time I find myself doing the same thing. LoL. "Let's get serious about thermodynamics and fluid flow".

Our machines are so insignificant yet we take them soooo seriously. This radiator and that block. Who cares. No one in the real world uses these to run their business. Okay, a few lighthearted soles may.

Just do me a favor and maintain that enthusiasm. I find it very refreshing. You make the rest of us THINK.

Now go do your HOMEWORK! :slapass:

EDIT: BTW, its Compliment Check your spelling and feel free to correct mine.

Just want to thank everyone for all your ideas/comments/and your do's & donts. Today im going to find/make a nice housing and i'll post pictures when done. This might take me a few day so bare with me.

newls1,

Off topic, but Autozone just posted good earnings results. They are rapidly expanding and the Atlanta area is a high growth region. Perhaps you may want to contact them. The human resources manager for Georgia can be contacted at:

mailto: dchr.lavonia@autozone.com

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...rameters=STORE

I respectfully suggest that the job search should take precedence over computer building. I have been down and out before, and being down and out brings people to do irrational things. But its none of my business.

The very best to you.

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newls1,

Off topic, but Autozone just posted good earnings results. They are rapidly expanding and the Atlanta area is a high growth region. Perhaps you may want to contact them. The human resources manager for Georgia can be contacted at:

mailto: dchr.lavonia@autozone.com

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...rameters=STORE

I respectfully suggest that the job search should take precedence over computer building. I have been down and out before, and being down and out brings people to do irrational things. But its none of my business.

The very best to you.

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Thank you very much for this EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE REPLY, however I already gave autozone my app a few times, and nothing came about.

OK, I sketched out my case specs and sent them off to a company that *MIGHT* be able to produce them for me. Not sure on the prices YET, but im keeping my fingers / toes crossed that it will be affordable.

Just read a few posts in on the first page... A bit confused.

Are you going to take an existing case like a Stacker and modify it for watercooling, or are you going to make something that sits on top like the Koolance Exos system?

If you are going to make an Exos look-a-like, take a gander in the Phase Change forum and look at the cases people put single stage (SS) units in... get the name of their manufacturer and give them a call with your dimensions, if thats what youre looking for.

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Just read a few posts in on the first page... A bit confused.

Are you going to take an existing case like a Stacker and modify it for watercooling, or are you going to make something that sits on top like the Koolance Exos system?

If you are going to make an Exos look-a-like, take a gander in the Phase Change forum and look at the cases people put single stage (SS) units in... get the name of their manufacturer and give them a call with your dimensions, if thats what youre looking for.

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Im working with a few companies in designing my "OWN" custom enclosure! Should "being the key word" come out looking incredible. Im on the phone right now (on hold of course) with a company trying to figure some angles out.

Why try to re-invent the wheel? Given the resources I'd look to the future with some kind of compressor (not TEC) based water chiller system. Like those 1/3hp aquarium chillers, only in a Koolance EXOS sized case. Have it microprocessor controlled with a built in ambient temperature and humidity sensor that calculates the dew point, so that the water is chilled dynamically under load so the temperature never goes below the dew point (no condensation worries). Keep it <$500 or 60% the price of the cheapest phase unit and you'd have a winner - better results than plain water, not quite as expensive, finicky, or dangerous as phase. As much as I like building and tinkering with things, sometimes I just want to be done with 5 minutes of setup and get amazing results, you know?

The main thing with external systems is that you're basically limited to 3/8" ID tubing for a PCI pass through, unless you want to get into drilling/case modding or your case has grommetted pass throughs built in.

If someone that wants to take on your job of manfacutring something and they put you on hold..hang up!

I called 5 frame builders trying to get a deal on a proto made. Only one in Poland said we will call you back as we'll get the paper work here ready. Ten mins latter called me back and i have 2 protos now being made for free. Now that tells me they want my contact and money and can deliver

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If someone that wants to take on your job of manfacutring something and they put you on hold..hang up!

I called 5 frame builders trying to get a deal on a proto made. Only one in Poland said we will call you back as we'll get the paper work here ready. Ten mins latter called me back and i have 2 protos now being made for free. Now that tells me they want my contact and money and can deliver

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i'm giving everyone a fair chance first. The drawing that i provided these places is "less then steller"" So there will be some confusion;) . i'll keep you all posted. thanks again for everyones feedback

WOW, I cant believe how fast I can get confused when build a case, and trying to explain it to someone. Either way, just a FYI, I should have a case in my hands by next week, and will keep you all updated. Thank you

OK, here is an update: I found a local metal shop in my area today after going to home depot and asking "random" "good ol boys" if there is any one in the area that can custom bend, weld metal, and most of the people all came back with the same company:) . I got there number and as soon I did that, some Home Depot worker told me to leave the property cause I was soliciting:D . Well I got the info I needed so I took off, (now keep in mind, i'm new to this state as I just moved here from S. Florida) I called these people up, drove to the Alabama/Georgia state line where there shop is, and I will have a custom "made to my specs" case Tuesday. Wish me luck here please guys, and I'll post up pics as soon as I feel like its worthy enough to show pics of it.

Take Care

my bad never mind.

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Another Update: Going to pickup case today "hopefully" that its done at the machine shop. I've ordered all the wiring guts, and parts for the inside, and HOPEFULLY should be rolling with it soon.

I got my case today from the metal shop, I'll post pics in about an hour. I really hope it is a good design. Im sure you all will let me know. I can tell you it is made from steel, and VERY STRONG! The pics im posting will be of it in a rough stage, I primed it since, and will do a nice paint job on it.

sounds good

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I got my case today from the metal shop, I'll post pics in about an hour. I really hope it is a good design. Im sure you all will let me know. I can tell you it is made from steel, and VERY STRONG! The pics im posting will be of it in a rough stage, I primed it since, and will do a nice paint job on it.

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Well, the damn machine shop screwed up:slap: . They made the top 1 3/8ths inches to short, so now the RAD wont fit in there. Going back on the 20th, with the RAD in hand, so we can work with the RAD, and the case at the same time. I'll keep you posted, and thanks for the interest.

Will these be large enough to house a Thermochill rad or just a BIP/MCR?

NEW UPDATE!

I picked up my **RE-DONE** case today at the shop, brought it home, and ran into another issue, (well 2 actually).. 1st and for-most is that with the hoses all on, I cant get the hose to go to the rad with out it kinking VERY badly no matter what I did to prevent it, and just the thought of having such a tight bend didn't make me happy! 2nd, I came up with a second case design cause I decided I didn't like my original design that much anymore. I mocked my new case design out of cardboard, and will bring it to the metal fab shop tomorrow in the AM, and I swear after I paint it, I WILL SHOW you all pics. I hope you all like it, will have plenty of plexi-glass, and will be VERY strong. I hope to start selling these in the next 2 weeks.

I did what the "F" i wanted. In one case i built a wood box with two rads for a side put a table fan in the plenum area outside the rads and sucked. Works great. I ran a 120v pump Iwaki 20rzl at that bouth for $40 off eBay ...a used aquarium pump runs like hell and runs like forever...you do not want those Angel Fish to croak do you? Iwaki is a good pump. They rebuild if necessary.

Second cooler. Got a pump off eBay for $40. An I/R NIB that someone wanted to dump...basically the same as the Iwaki and rated at 5GPM. All the necessary stuff went in to a coffee table the PC sits on. I was not happy with the bougs rads i bought cheap off eBay so I got two heater cores and inlined those in the system AFTER I added 120v fans on the core. I made a 2g reservior. i only use distilled water. Leaking toxin UV dye is not my cup of tea.

SO WHAT YOU SHOULD DO:::::: Do what you want. Use a 120v pump and stick the stuff in and extra closet, the basement....in furniture....whatever.

HEAD is the power they sell pumps by. That is their rating. GO 5PGM. If you hae 30 feet head you can put the cooler in the basement and run it to the PC whereever it might be.

Do whatever you want.

You will have to buy kitter stuff to go in a case. Kitters have figured that all out.

You will find that Home Depot has PCV piping in all sizes. What I did for the rad is bush down wnd reducer down until I had the size for the 3/8" barbs....that is conceptually easy but you will need to think.

McMaster Carr is an online store that has all the fittings and tube BTW> Chicago to LaCrosse is usually a two day delivery for me.

Use McMaster Carr to find tube and barbs. They have a 3/8' double wall tube I love as you can make it into a pretzel and not kink it. $.25 per foot. [that is good] You can find 1/2' PCV screw fitting barbs and glue up barbs too. It is all there.

Thanks for the info:)

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Cast your eyes on that McMaster Carr catalogue. It really is all there. It is a matter of you acclamating to the [a] site layout [b] terminology.

One really good pump you could find actually cools a huge copier machine. Pumps are in the elaborate soda pop machine at fast food joints. Pumps and tube are everywhere.

Once yo get in the FAT PART of eBay that has 5gpm INLINE pumps [you want under and inch fitting to the pump to bush/ reduucder it to your size] you got it made.....you can make what you imagine.

You can flip your unit on with a switch or a relay in your PCI slot. Take you r pick.

Is anyone interested in what im building for the community:( . I feel like im the only one looking foward to this cooling unit. Sure its not a phase cooler for -52c cooling, but a reliable kickass cooler I would think would be surely welcomed:D . I really think this will be a great cooler for those of you that dont like to chop up your case, make everything fit, remove items just to make the rad fit, etc..... The only thing you will have to do is run my custom build cables to the unit, and I provide the PCI card slot bracket, and my custom made cables, so installation (besides filling it of course & bleeding it) will be extremely easy for anyone;) . Any hoo, back to the topic.

My new custom case design is at my fabrication shop this morning, and I made a batch of power cables today, so with any luck I should be rolling with a working unit next thrusday/friday:)

The more I think about this the more I want to say it: IF you go into the *Phase Change* section of this wonderful forum, you have your main guys that build those units, and have a great reputation, I know this first hand as I've bought a ChiLLy1 unit last year. I believe there are 2-3 guys that build units in that section of the forums and they have excellent feedback here. I would like to be the same way, but in the *Water-Cooling* section:cool: . Let me prove myself, as I think (hope) you all will like me.

Take care peoples'

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I'm interested :)

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I'm interested :)

waiting for pics

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Thank you:) Makes me going through all this hassle worth it:) As soon as I get my case back from fabrication, you all will have pics.

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Thank you:) Makes me going through all this hassle worth it:) As soon as I get my case back from fabrication, you all will have pics.

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I hope you're case comes along well.
Have you considered different "packages" like with different rads, pump, etc?

Sounds really nice Newls. Hope this works out for you...


Ply

I was going to get
Inland Robela ATX Mid Tower Case with Built-in Water Cooling Top USB, FireWire and Audio Ports http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...624&CatId=1509

I did not know much about systems but I found toms hardware review off google and so it started. In a hurry online shopping I made the wrong choices and will need to return two things. But when I was saw this case I loved it but cost alot but when I saw what it could do it was not that bad. But then after the reviews there where a few problem that they had so no. And now after a friend recommending this forum I'm now hear. So I know if I originally saw this case on tigerdirect I would have bought it not knowing better. Its hard to say but I don't think people are that supportive in this forum for this new system. I know that I don't want to custom mount hardware rads to my computer but I will because I want that extra power with half the cost of top end cpu. You people are crazy your probably in the 1&#37; of computer users. Ideas work marketing is another story takes time and a good service is hard to do a product easier to do but less money. I'm no expert or not even successfully but I know a little about business. If it can be thought of it can be done and there is a hugh market out there you just need to make demand people will follow. Who realy needs this stuff nobody a old computer will work fine who cares but people want carp they feel they need it. Consumerism capitalism that is what America is made of and it works. I have two suggestions find one or two people to encouraged you in business mentor instill hope if you have a sold plain. And two my idea for marketing is build a unit and talk to the top people online as far as the reviews things like cnet.com toms hardware review and pick out top 20 or 10 to send the unit to. Then ask them to personally review it for them selfs tell you what they think like so on then build a better cheaper whatever makes them happy. Maybe you need two let the pre reviewers have your case or something in return for there input but I bet they will understand your situations and be happy as a computer nut to do it for very cheap or free. Then after you send if off too a few big guys if they will do that then you have a sold case you need to patten the design as that would end this business venture very quickly. And then let them give it a full reviews officially and see what happens . After you have big reviews try to get it mainstream dell gateway so on or make your own online thing whatever. They will consider your case if it is one like cnet and other places because of the jones effect. That is one thing to try there probably is not much money in the case but there will be if you have mass sales. But any business takes lots of time you need good advice so you don't lose much needed money time and image building your name. Its not easy but if you have support it make it livable.

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I was going to get
Inland Robela ATX Mid Tower Case with Built-in Water Cooling Top USB, FireWire and Audio Ports http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...624&CatId=1509

I did not know much about systems but I found toms hardware review off google and so it started. In a hurry online shopping I made the wrong choices and will need to return two things. But when I was saw this case I loved it but cost alot but when I saw what it could do it was not that bad. But then after the reviews there where a few problem that they had so no. And now after a friend recommending this forum I'm now hear. So I know if I originally saw this case on tigerdirect I would have bought it not knowing better. Its hard to say but I don't think people are that supportive in this forum for this new system. I know that I don't want to custom mount hardware rads to my computer but I will because I want that extra power with half the cost of top end cpu. You people are crazy your probably in the 1% of computer users. Ideas work marketing is another story takes time and a good service is hard to do a product easier to do but less money. I'm no expert or not even successfully but I know a little about business. If it can be thought of it can be done and there is a hugh market out there you just need to make demand people will follow. Who realy needs this stuff nobody a old computer will work fine who cares but people want carp they feel they need it. Consumerism capitalism that is what America is made of and it works. I have two suggestions find one or two people to encouraged you in business mentor instill hope if you have a sold plain. And two my idea for marketing is build a unit and talk to the top people online as far as the reviews things like cnet.com toms hardware review and pick out top 20 or 10 to send the unit to. Then ask them to personally review it for them selfs tell you what they think like so on then build a better cheaper whatever makes them happy. Maybe you need two let the pre reviewers have your case or something in return for there input but I bet they will understand your situations and be happy as a computer nut to do it for very cheap or free. Then after you send if off too a few big guys if they will do that then you have a sold case you need to patten the design as that would end this business venture very quickly. And then let them give it a full reviews officially and see what happens . After you have big reviews try to get it mainstream dell gateway so on or make your own online thing whatever. They will consider your case if it is one like cnet and other places because of the jones effect. That is one thing to try there probably is not much money in the case but there will be if you have mass sales. But any business takes lots of time you need good advice so you don't lose much needed money time and image building your name. Its not easy but if you have support it make it livable.

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Thank you for your input :) all those seem like great goals, but just REALLY hard to reach. I wouldn't think DELL would want anything to do with external W/Cing?

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so when are we going to see some pics? Anything?

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I'm going to be picking up my 2nd designed case from the shop tonight (3/30/07) and will let you all know how it goes. As with fabricating custom cases, there will always be room for error, so I might not beable to take it home with me today:( But I shall see how good of a job this place did in a few hours from now.

Finally pickup my newly re-designed case today and I think it looks great. Im trial fitting everything in it now, and then will primer it, and coat the sucker:) These cases will have a "HAMMER" type paint, very strong and resistant to most scratches. I will do 3 coats for EVERY CASE. I will have pics up soon, I promise you.

Alright people, here are the pictures of my water case. Please guys be nice;) I have a lot of time into this as well as money, and I dont even have a job so money means everything to me right now:( . The case has its 2nd coat of finish and has yet to cure so I can't lay a 3rd coat down. Obviously I will be using a triple 120mm rad and very good parts I think you all will respect. I can't assemble everything yet due to the paint not "FULLY CURED" yet, and im still waiting for all my molex pins to show up so I can finish all my custom wiring. Im using all BRASS screws for the plexi glass so it will look VERY nice, and not EVER show any kind of rust. The case also has 3 coats INSIDE as-well, and will have fully sleeved cables (all made by me) Custom lighting, & drainage system:) , and many other really neat ideas. I dont want to go into FULL detail until I can present you a final product. I REALLY HOPE YOU LIKE IT, AS I PLAN (HOPE) TO MAKE THEM FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS EM:) I would love to make this a nice and small business;) Just like those phase change guys do with their units. I will be selling these with the D-Tek FuZion block, but you can choose from others as well, or no block at all. Anyways, here are the pics, and PLEASE be nice to me, I've literally spent the very last of my little bit of money in hopes I can make this work for me.

This is a 3 piece cover that I have had TIG welded into 1 piece, I love the way it came out (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0821eu0.jpg)

This is another view of the cover assembly (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0822ec9.jpg)

This is the inside of the cover piece still in the primer stage (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0824lr6.jpg)

This is the side of the case where the RAD will be (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0825ot7.jpg)

This is an inside view of the case. Only on 2nd coat, 3rd will be tomorrow (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0826kk7.jpg)

This is with the cover assembly on the case, but without using the screws cause the paint still isn't cured enough yet to put it on, and I didnt want any scratches. I put a rather large window of plexi on the top so you can see in and you can see in from the sides as well. I really like it, hope you do as-well. (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0827kk1.jpg)

I feel better now that i've shown you all the pics, however please keep in mind that this is still a work in progress. This case will fit perfectly on the top of any PC case as it is the same width (slightly smaller) and the length is perfect so it wont hang off the back OR if you have a large desk just keep it on the desk. For you benchers out there, I would think this would be a welcomed addition. The case is 100&#37; TIG welded for strength, and brass hardware through out;) . The paint im using is what they call a "HAMMER" textured paint EXTREMELY strong, and scratch resistant when fully cured. I have tested it on a piece of metal stock that I had laying around, I put the paint on the metal stock I had, and stuck it in the oven at 200 degrees for 30 minutes then let it sit out side to finish cooling, came back to it the next morning, I can literally take a pen to it press hard and nothing will scratch it. I think this will end up being a great paint.

Anyways, I want to thank the community here for allowing me to present this all to you, and hope you all think it is turning out nicely. Of course people are going to have mixed opinions, but lets keep it nice please:p: . As far as pricing goes, im not EXACTLY sure at the moment, but feel free to drop me a PM and I can give you an estimate. My direct email is newls1@bellsouth.net if you want to email me. Thank you everyone,

Seth D.

Wait a sec, it goes on top of the case? It looks very very nice though. I just don't think it would look good on top of a case.

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Wait a sec, it goes on top of the case? It looks very very nice though. I just don't think it would look good on top of a case.

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It can go any where you want it:) In person though I think it looks nice on top of my Aero cool case. Also I like your avitar

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It can go any where you want it:) In person though I think it looks nice on top of my Aero cool case. Also I like your avitar

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There will be LCD panels correct?

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There will be LCD panels correct?

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NO, and I knew someone would have asked that. I couldn't fit that in with my price range i was shooting for. I was thinking about using those 6 dollar P.O.S LCD readout display that are horribly inaccurate, but decided it was better to leave it out, you know what I mean.......

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that looks really, really, really very nice. excellent job. That will be incredibly appealing and sell very well to all newcomers if you can get your message out. That is very promising. great job again.

what i really want to see is all the parts and everything in. the most appealing thing is top of the line preassembled parts in a beautifully appealing enclosure. that is great. just a quick suggstion though- if you put a window on the middle panel of the cover that would add to it a lot

when do you think you will have all the paint and all the glass and parts in for pics?

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Of the 3 pieces of the cover 2 of which do have windows. I couldn't add a little window in that liitle middle section ( I DID AT FIRST MOCK UP) when we went to TIG it together, structurally the piece warped BAD, cause I guess to much metal was removed and the heat warped it. Keep the little middle section in tact, cured that issue.:) Thank you VERY VERY much for the kind reply. As far as a 100&#37; complete working unit, That should be late next week as im waiting for all my molex pins and adapters for all my custom wiring.

wow... anyone starting to get worried about the size/weight of this thing?

Full loaded with coolant, that thing might get very heavy. Can i ask how you intend to power this unit? Are you going to use a pico psu? or you going to custom a DC one all together?

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wow... anyone starting to get worried about the size/weight of this thing?

Full loaded with coolant, that thing might get very heavy. Can i ask how you intend to power this unit? Are you going to use a pico psu? or you going to custom a DC one all together?

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Not heavy at all. Its not like im using 3/8th thick steel:p: As far as powering it, I'll show you all when im all done.

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that will be a huge hit and sell very well, but the key is spreading the word and telling everyone. i am very supportive of this project because it has a great amount of potential. newcomers will be instantly attracted, and with the performance as well it will be great.

you need to start a website to spread this around and show it on many forums.

now i have a couple more questions:
you are preassembling absolutely everything in this and then selling it? that will cost a lot with all nice parts, and around 350 total. that is very expensive, but are you just selling just the enclosure or everything?

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I'll sell anything I can! If someone just wants a case, so be it.... I look at it this way: People can buy a kit like this (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=4619) triple 120 rad and all, and still be left with the question, "WHERE THE HELL AM I GOING TO MOUNT ALL THIS?" I simplify this by providing an external inclosure all top shelf parts, and should be around 350 as-well maybe a little more, or a little less, not exact on price yet. To answer your question above, I do assemble everything and sell the complete unit, but if a customer wants a different cpu block, different RAD fans then what I use (Yate Loons) I can try to help them out. Im a personable guy and have always be working in the retail arena, I'll provide great customer service (like www.shoppts.com) does, and hope to make friends along the way!

Are you having a machine shop make the cuts and bends? Some of the cuts look uneven, and the edges don't seem to match up. I like the idea and where you're going with it, but at this point it seems a little rough.

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Are you having a machine shop make the cuts and bends? Some of the cuts look uneven, and the edges don't seem to match up. I like the idea and where you're going with it, but at this point it seems a little rough.

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It isn't 100% exact, but I believe it looks just fine. They use a plasma cutter to cut out the metal, the pictures may make it look rough, but in person it is nice and smooth. When the plexi is on, it looks killer.

Calling it a night everyone, it is 10:25pm where im at and im tired. I have about 13 hours into this case today, and just want to pass out now. I'll reply to all posts in the morning

Take care everyone.

OK 100&#37; completed:D I feel so much better now. I think this cooler is freaking awesome, but of course my opinion is biased:D . I want to show you all the pictures, but im worried that someone might copy me?? P.S........I love my built in drain port!

Nice! Not the most modern looking piece of equipment though. Hopefully a few lights and switches will gussy it up. Theres a severe shortage of things like this around.

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Nice! Not the most modern looking piece of equipment though. Hopefully a few lights and switches will gussy it up. Theres a severe shortage of things like this around.

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Thanks....... I am here to help:)

So this is what Quoc has been telling me about for the past couple weeks! The basic shell looks pretty nice :)

Any chance you might be able to send us some photos of the finished prototype? :D

Maybe you could pm some people?

no pics, come on you know XS better than that, and we should know better than to steal. i just want to see how it turned out after those preliminary drawings you sent me cus it seemed like a cool idea :D or at least pm me them to see cus im excited to see it.

I would love to see this as well. I used to own an external box and absolutely loved it. Regret selling it to this day. The thing I love about external is you can get any case you want. And I'm a big time case whore. Would love to see you get this up and running.

Hey P8NTSLINGER676 & SOCCERSWIM8, I want to thank you guys for all your interest since I began this idea. P8NTSLINGER676, thank you for offering to help with the case at the beginning, but you know how ideas go, they change every minute, and it would have been to much of a hassle to keep sending you different case ideas, and i'm sure you understand what I mean. Here are 99&#37; complete pictures, the only thing left to do is hose clamp everything.

Imageshack seems to be down at the moment, so I cant show them to you all yet I guess.

Let me explain how you power this waterbox. The back of the unit has 2 MOLEX connections, and 1 switch (I'll explain the switch later) I provide you (customer) 2 molex cables (made by yours truly:p: ) and a PCI pass thru bracket. Simply install the PCI pass thru bracket into your PC, and then connect my 2 molex cables from the PCI pass thru bracket, to the 2 connections in the back of my water box. DONE! With those 2 connections made, your powering the pump, fan controller and the 2 4" CCFL's;) . The switch on the back of the unit controls the "ON or OFF" function of the lights. The only MOD you (the customer) will have to do is drill "2" 1 inch holes to your case as I ran 1/2" tubing for my waterbox so I could get every last drop of performance from it. People say use 7'16ths tubing as it doesnt hurt performance, but even If I did use 7/16's line, the tubing still gets squashed pretty bad going through the PCI expansion area, so I stuck with true 1/2inch tubing for everything. I provide the 2 grommets so no worry there:) . Also there will be an included allen key for the drain valve (and it works great, I've filled and flushed this system 3 times for testing purposes)

All the wiring inside the case is very neat and for the most part sleeved. The inside of this case has neon blue CCFL's, but different colors are always available. Taking the cover off the water box is a breeze, so filling the unit is very easy with the top of the RES being right in front of you. I personally kept the cover off till all the bleeding was done, and I find having the RAD on its side and slightly off level, made bleeding this unit MUCH EASIER then my personal PC which has pretty much the same stuff, but my RAD is on top of my case. I love my "thumb screw" usage for the RAD on the outside of the box, really breaks things up a little bit. Im using YATE LOON fans, so it is VERY quiet to say the least. Pricing is still something I have to go over, but will have the answer later today. I still have to make 1 more external power cable for this unit, but I cant right now as im out of molex pins:mad: . I should have those later next week however. As far as the paint color for the case, This type of paint (Hammer finish) comes in i think 6 different colors: BLACK, GREY, GREEN, AND I CANT REMEMBER THE REST, just wanted to let you all know, as this mock up unit is black, I just didnt want you all to think this was the only color. I also ship/use D-Tek fuzion blocks with these:D Let me see if imageshack is up yet...........?????

http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0830po5.jpg

http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0831zk5.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0832cv2.jpg

http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0833ml0.jpg

Pleases feel free to PM me, and if you want to talk I'll shoot you my phone number:) Im going to take one more picture to with the whole bundle of every thing you will receive with my water box, but i'll have to do it later, as I need to leave for a moment.

VERY impressive-looking! :D

BTW, I have an idea for that PCI tubing pass-through which would allow for the use of 1/2" tubing without reducing the crossectional area of the flow path (and it would work without case modification). If I have a chance this weekend, I'll take a shot at modeling it for you.

newls1,

Very nice work indeed!

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VERY impressive-looking! :D

BTW, I have an idea for that PCI tubing pass-through which would allow for the use of 1/2" tubing without reducing the crossectional area of the flow path (and it would work without case modification). If I have a chance this weekend, I'll take a shot at modeling it for you.

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Thanks PETRA, and to everyone else. I just enjoy this community so much, cause everyone here is helpful. PETRA, I just got off the phone with QUOC, im shooting off an email to you all, with other stuff.;)

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please start a new thread and post the pics with their URLs so there arent any links.

it will get more people to look at it and draw more attention to this great idea

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I can build a house, I can make my 00 camaro Z28 go 9.81 in the 1/4 mile, and build PC's, BUT I DONT KNOW HOW TO LIST THE PICS USING URL'S!:p:

Here is a pic of "ALMOST" the complete package. The only thing it is missing is a second molex cable I believe.

http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?i...scf0834ac8.jpg

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now that is awesome!!

i suggest starting a new thread to show everyone and getting the pic's url and posting them without links.

what is the flow line? pump>res> ?

and how does that power thing work? it looks awesome.

definitely start a new thread for this though

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The flow line is this RES-PUMP-RAD-CPU BLOCK-RES. I like this flow a little better.

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lol

when you post there is that mountain icon with a yellow background called "insert image"

right click on you pic in imageshack, press copy image location, and paste it under the insert image button.

wow that is some impressive stuff there! lol

now start that thread!

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Hey, thanks..... Is someone going to yell at me for starting a new thread about this:confused:

Sweet idea and nice look of it as well.

1 question, potential for swapping out parts? Different pump/res etc?

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Sweet idea and nice look of it as well.

1 question, potential for swapping out parts? Different pump/res etc?

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OF COURSE:) The RAD is held in with 4 thumb screws, and the pump is help in with velcro. The is still enough room to add BIGGER items if needed. Im not sure on the RES, but if someone is creative enough, you can make anything work.

OK, I'll work on that in about 20 minutes or so, I have to get a few things done first:)

How are temps? these should be as good as the kit inside them really, and not like the koolance exos etc.. in other words, the kit in this external housing should be as good as that kit inside the pc.

How about altering fan speed? not possible?

i had an idea of like a water level monitor to go in the res aswell, like if it goes below a certain level it could beep so you know it needs a top up or whatever.. not really essential though as you can see the res through the window anyway.

Seems really good, but wouldnt having a high end gpu & cpu all in one loop on a triple thermochill rad make temps go a little high?, especially if you are overclocking.. Shame 2 rads cant fit in there.

looks roomy enough for other types of res, like the multioption...
some sort of handle would also be nice...

It seems as though my thread got locked (the other thread i've made) for selling outside the classifieds. What do you all think I should do?

re post in the right thread next time.
at least the one here is still good, this is basically a watercooling idea.
don't mention pricing in this thread, do it via pms and emails, or
in the selling thread.

*i think in a reply above post you mentioned a price, better edit that said post.

hmm also nice case for and external pump rad res you got there.

OK......For pictures and buying of the product, please click this link for now on. It is my understanding that I broke a rule here (I apologize for that too) and started a thread in the classifieds section here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post2115921)

Thank you, and 1 more note to everyone...... I bought some new case cover screws to help in appearance, will see how they look in about 20 minutes.

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that link doesnt work.

just put up a thread with pictures and prices in the selling section

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A mod put my stuff in the SERVICES section:) I have new updated pics using new case screws (brass, threw out the sheet metal ones):)

Here is the link for everyone http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=139984
Not much going on in that section & to be honest with you all I feel like i'm in DETENTION, but I guess this is the only section for this to be in?

The screws do look a lot better but my suggestion would be to paint the expanded metal grill black.