Hi,
bought me this cpu today and want to test it a bit, hope it will work on this new mainboard i have recieved. :)
http://666kb.com/i/am3ssl6yrm9s6i9mc.jpg
http://666kb.com/i/am3t5pqgxweh6edro.jpg
Results later today. :toast:
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Hi,
bought me this cpu today and want to test it a bit, hope it will work on this new mainboard i have recieved. :)
http://666kb.com/i/am3ssl6yrm9s6i9mc.jpg
http://666kb.com/i/am3t5pqgxweh6edro.jpg
Results later today. :toast:
System booted first time! :cool:
http://666kb.com/i/am3uhzdc8u3qnp8ok.jpg
But bios recognize it as AMD Processor model unknown and pushes 1,5V stock through the 65nm cpu.. :slapass:
Yeah normally it should be 1,2-1,25V, but i will find this out after a bios update imho. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
Hope it will go high, but i mention that the mainboard will holding me back..
Why did you get that mobo ? this one and the M2N-E are known to be bad overclockers :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
DFI,ABit....no options ?
Didn't find anything to teh M2N-SLI to be honest and it was a question of money.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklord
All the other boards are much to expensive and i don't think the Abit nforce 570 boards will clock better?!
Yep, the 3800+ wasn't in stock. Well, lets see what i can manage.. It's still just for fun and to look at AM2. :)
After biosupdate, board still gives 1.47V.. :stick: But finally it recognize the cpu as an 3500+. CPU-Z don't know that cpu, too...
Now i do not really know waht the stock Vcore should be. AMD papers say 1.2/1.3/1.35V.. :confused:
http://666kb.com/i/am3wu6y4owvfnt644.jpg
Where did u get that sentence from? :p:
So it should be 1.20V.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
What was/is a good low voltage for the old 90nm singlecores with 2200MHz? Prime runs now with 1.18V.
Same.. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
wow!! Nice, can't wait to see this baby in action. And 07/05? That suckers hot off the press! :)
[edit]
I'm not sure about the voltage question. I know i could get my s939 X2 to ~1.3v or a little less and be stable at stock speed though. 1v looks pretty darn good to me though!
CPU has 24°C while priming! :D CoreTemp won't work on this cpu too..
Now i will try to undervolt the cpu a bit. Easier then starting to push the mhz up, bcs. i'm noob to AM2.. :p:
funkflix, check up your cpu with the latest Central Brain Identifier.
Mine is X2 3600+, TDP of 65W, defolt freq. Vcore bios - 1.00VQuote:
Now i will try to undervolt the cpu a bit. Easier then starting to push the mhz up, bcs. i'm noob to AM2.. :p:
http://www.imagesforme.com/thumbs/4160pic1.jpg
So, I think, you can expect even more, since it is single core and 35W TDP :)
Good luck
Thx, it works with the Central Brain Identifier! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
http://666kb.com/i/am406u2z6bpiewhmc.jpg
But i really need to get a working messuring point for the Vcore, this is confusing me to much..
funkflix:
Oh! Looks great! :clap: Thanks for the screenshot! It is much appreciated!
Well, maybe 1,184V is related to the Northbridge voltage? I don’t know definitely. So, I can’t help you in this question. Nonetheless, double click on the Voltage field under the Processor tab to change the voltage sensor line to another one.
Oh, check up Coretemeter. Maybe it will help you in temperature monitoring.
Good luck! :toast:
CBI and CPU-Z shows now 1.36V while PcProbe shows 1.52V... Setting in bios is 1,42V... I'm totally confused. :p:
http://666kb.com/i/am41jsfgk98m31gz8.jpg
Coremeter shows 207°C. ;)
One question to the am2 guys - What is the real dram-frequency on the following screen?
http://666kb.com/i/am46synvmdyqnwpbo.jpg
I think the calcualtor and Memset is right, but what is that Ceil Formula aka. 429MHz, that CPU-Z shows? :confused:
Here some 32M result:
http://666kb.com/i/am46v04c05nxmmmus.jpg
Finally i think i will trust all other tools except PcProbe for Vcore... But i really need that messuringpoint.
I have the same problem with my AM2-Mobo. Settings in bios are 1,42V, all windowstools shows 1,32V, but real it is 1,45V.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
Mobo is a Foxconn C51XEM2AA...
Measured with a DMM?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeLecT
funkflix:
You can activate CBId's Controller subtab and check the DRAM Clock and MEMCLK Ratio.Quote:
One question to the am2 guys - What is the real dram-frequency on the following screen?
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...4&postcount=24Quote:
Vorhin habe ich noch kurz das Multimeter aus dem Schrank geholt und nachgemessen:
eingestellt 1,350 -> gemessen 1,38 - 1,39 -> Windowsanzeige: ~1,23
eingestellt 1,450 -> gemessen 1,48 - 1,49 -> Windowsanzeige: ~1,33
Yes, it is measured, but from another user on HWLuxx
Hmm, but it is exactly the other way on your system/mainboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeLecT
Thx.Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
It shows 429Mhz too.
To be honest i'm get confused more and more, every minute longer i try to understand all this stuff... First the confusing Vcore now the memclock... :stick:
Time for a brake. ;)
Cool. That's a nice little program. :) And it's the ONLY program i've opened in Vista yet that doesn't require permission to open. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
funkflix, your processor has a Clock Ratio of x11 and a Clock Frequency of 3003,12 MHz. Your RAM operates at 333 MHz. It is a stock clock frequency of RAM, right? And as you probably know, there is the DRAM Interface Speed vs. CPU Core Clock Multiplier table well documented in “BIOS and Kernel Developer’s Guide for AMD NPT Family 0Fh”. According to this document, CPU/DRAM ratio is 7, because CPU Multiplier is 11. Now, we can calculate a current frequency of RAM by the simple formula: 3003,12 / 7 = 429,0 MHz.
Yes, it looks easy, but can u tell me please, why are > 50% of the other tools show me 455MHz, including nVidia Ntune?Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
2200 / 333 = 6.606 =~ 7 | 3003 / 7 = 429, it looks like the same it is on S939 with DDR1. :)
trust him on this one. the memory speed is set from cpu speed by an integer... aka cpu/x, where x = ceiling (cpu multi / memory ratio)Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
the memory ratio is 5:3, cpu multi is 11.. ceiling( 11 / (5/3) ) = ceiling(6.6) = 7
so cpu/7 gives 3003mhz / 7 = 429mhz
this is exactly how the memory controller has worked ever since the s754 days, just with higher memory ratios for ddr2 now :toast:
btw, anyone else notice that the stepping indicates that the core has 1mb L2 natively...? most curious.
Yes, i trust him. But i'm intersted in, how the other tools come to the 455MHz. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
curious that i'm OCX_ozzimark in your quote :fact: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
and unlocking would just be like trying to unlock the upper multipliers.. not happening unless you have that special tool. :(
it's more.. odd that they are making chips with 1mb L2. i suppose they're planning something that they're not telling us? i don't know.
fsb * memory ratio = memory speed for intel chipsetsQuote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
so 273 * 5/3 = 455
no surprises there :D
When a system synchronization clock is 200 MHz and a multiplier is x11 RAM doesn’t operate at 333 MHz, it operates at 314,29 MHz. Look at the picture below.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
http://jungle.mam.by/work2/CPU-DRAM.jpg
But if u do not want to use this table u posted, the other version of calculating works too, as it did on other A64s. :) (imho)Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
@coldbug
I hope someone will test the 65nm under subzero soon. But i think it has a horrible coldbug too.. :slap:
@cpu
Hmm, can't manage to get that cpu higher then 300xMHz. Will try more tomorrow and i hope someone can tell me a working mesureing point.
It is just to hot outside.. Maybe i should give that stuff to -De$troyeR- and he test it with his cascade.. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
This board is a great clocker imho! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklord
http://666kb.com/i/am4be1lg9lhpp7p4r.jpg
375MHz = reboot in windows / 372MHz = error in 1M. I think it is a great clock for a AM2 board, expecially bcs. u read that this boards suck at oc, all over the net! :confused:
At 365MHz cpu-z feels sick! :sick: It couldn’t detect motherboard’s sensor now, just FFFF. :D Cpu-Z’s system driver is unstable during your stress testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
Congrats, BTW! :toast:
Lol, thats really funny.. :D 1M runs, but CPU-Z is unstable.. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
Thanks. ;)
Ohh, my Board runs max with 335Mhz. 365Mhz is realy great ;)
are you sure it's not the ht link? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
also, why are you running 8x multi when you have 11x available for use? :D
and that 1m time is rather slow for the cpu mhz :confused:
@HT-LinkQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
It is on x3.
@Multi
Bcs. i can't get teh cpu > 300xMHz and i really need to know the real Vcore, before i start to push it more. ;)
@1M
Old XP from S939, 512KB L2, plus only 365MHz 4-4-4-8 1:1.
funkflix, run CBId, activate Mobility tab, now check Startup Voltage field in the Core Voltage / Core Frequency group. And this will be a default core voltage for your processor.
BTW, weather the P-States tab is enabled? (make sure Cool’n Queit option is enabled in BIOS, if it was implemented of course). It would be interesting to know what performance states are valid for Rev G1 processor.
Here is a screen with all the tabs opened, but P-States do not work. Do i have to install the Cool 'n Quiet driver in windows?Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
http://666kb.com/i/am529s9msoha34gl7.jpg
Startup Voltage is 1,1V. But don't know how the board handle that..
@M2N-SLI users, or maybe to all other Asus AM2 board users, i played around with timings now for about 4-5 hours and finally have found the fastest subtimings. Maybe it is usefull for someone. :)
I started with 11x273 DDR667 4-3-3-5 2T and all subtimings on Auto, this results in a SuperPi 1M time of 30.356s.
After i tweaked all subtimings to the max. i reached 28.984s with the same settings i posted above! :toast:
Some shots:
http://666kb.com/i/am528km3l06lnh6uz.jpg
http://666kb.com/i/am528v2ggzb44fh17.jpg
http://666kb.com/i/am5295s7kkifr6rjv.jpg
funkflix:
No, you don’t! Despite BIOS detects your processor (CPU String Name is constructed correctly), it doesn’t decompresses performance state tables into RAM, maybe because it is specific for legacy operation systems. Or maybe BIOS doesn’t know about all valid P-State tables. For example, when Cool’n Quiet option is enabled in BIOS of my ASUS K8V-MX, BIOS extracts P-State tables in RAM. CBId is able to scan memory ranges searching for the tables: Look at the picture below:Quote:
but P-States do not work. Do i have to install the Cool 'n Quiet driver in windows?
http://jungle.mam.by/work2/pstates.gif
Hm, I’m a little confused. Well, for mobile and low-power desktop AMD64 processors Startup Voltage shows a real startup core voltage of the processor. For desktop processors it shows a default core voltage, not startup. And as I see, your CPU isn’t desktop, because it has a startup multiplier of 5 that differs from the maximum one. This trait is specific for mobile CPUs only.Quote:
Startup Voltage is 1,1V. But don't know how the board handle that..
Therefore, we can determine a default core voltage using another simple method. Look at the Maximum Voltage. It is equaled to 1.400V. In most cases it is resulted after adding 0.050V to the default voltage. So, we can get a default voltage using another simple formula: 1.400V - 0.050V = 1.350V.
Nice shot! Congrats, funkflix :toast:Quote:
After i tweaked all subtimings to the max. i reached 28.984s with the same settings i posted above!
Thanks for all the explanations VVJ!
After all, i think that teh actual bios of the board does not fully support the cpu!
If the Vcore is set to Auto in Bios, Cbid shows me a Vcore of 1,296V, what could be true if the defualt Vcore is 1.35V.
What do u think about that Vcore thing? :)
funkflix, frankly speaking, I can’t imagine how BIOS supplies the processor with a core voltage of 1.296V. 1.300V is the middle voltage value between 1.250V and 1.350V defined for an Athlon 64 3500+ Rev G1. Perhaps, it is an optimal choice when the core voltage is variable and BIOS doesn’t know what voltage value has to be set.
Think we are talking about two different things, hehe. I mean, when i set Auto in Bios, Cbid shows me 1.296V under General Information --> Voltage and Core Voltage / Core Frequency --> Current Voltage, while Bios and PcProbe shows 1,47V to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
Anyway, if the Vcore is correct, which Cbid, Everest and CPU-Z is showing me, the CPU is really nice! But if the Asus stuff is right, and it needs 1.35V, then it is just a average clocker... Don't know if i will ever find it out?! :D
Prime95 LargeFFTs 2750MHz 1.184V(*)
http://666kb.com/i/am577vaycpompb6rf.jpg
(* who really knows teh Vcore.. :p: :D :mad: ;) :eek: )
where did you buy the processor at?
On a german online store, called www.alternate.de :)
whats the processor model number?
your prime is simply amazing, 2800MHz @ 1.2 :slobber: ^^
did you tried to sell the whole componets to destroyer...??? :p:
dont do that, at least the mb is crazy with this htt
Hehe, he is interested in the mobo.. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by son_of_liberty
Need 1,264V now for 2903MHz, prime runs about 30 minutes.
Hey, funkflix, I have just updated CBId 8.21 for you. Now it estimates a QuantiSpeed performance rating and correctly reports processor’s code name. Thanks for the cooperation! See you later!
I'm not sure why anyone would call the M2N-SLI a bad overclocker. bachus_anonym was able to hit a 400HTT here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=102595
In any case, I had reported some voltage observations in that thread. Now that I have made some measurements with a better multimeter, these are my most current observations:
1) The vcore runs slightly higher (.02-03v) than what it is set at in BIOS
2) PCProbe reports about .05v higher than actual measured vcore
3) 3rd party utils report about .15v lower than actual measured vcore
4) The BIOS automatically overrides vcore to add .1v when FSB is set greater than 250
Thx mate, i will take a look at it tomorrow. :) :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by VVJ
I wrote a email to asus bcs. of that problem, let's see what they will answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzo
If u set ur Vcore to Auto in Bios, what voltage is shows to u with DMM/PcProbe? (need to know the defualt voltage of ur cpu too)
Thx in adavnce! :)
Any news so far?!
Can you tell my whats the default C&Q Vcore of this chips if the stock is 1,2?
I sold the system. :(