Just read the review over at Hexus.net and quite interestingly the P4P800 is beating its 'big brother' - P4C800 - in all benchmarks!
3DMArk2001SE:
http://img.hexus.net/P4P800/3D.png
Compare URL for the P4P800 score.
Quite amazing I'd say!
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Just read the review over at Hexus.net and quite interestingly the P4P800 is beating its 'big brother' - P4C800 - in all benchmarks!
3DMArk2001SE:
http://img.hexus.net/P4P800/3D.png
Compare URL for the P4P800 score.
Quite amazing I'd say!
hmmmm......interesting....
what about the comparison that youdid?
odd.....
edit** got mixed who did the comparison (opp or you macci)
i find it weird :) isnt the canterwood chip > springdale
very weird indeed.
I already read similar results at OCworkbench.
Goddamnit this kind of crap is going to get me trying an ASUS board again and ending in tragedy :D
however I would like some overclocking numbers on it... I wouldnt be surprised they're using tighter timings, lowering the OC you can get in terms of FSB
I know it sounds wierd. Did a similar 875 vs. 865 test myself too (using DFI 875 and Albatron 865) and w/ both mobos running w/ a 3.0@4010MHz and overclocker R9800 the 875 was 1000Marks faster.
But its quite possible that ASUS has enabled certain performance related features on there 865PE BIOS. Also its interesting that Albatron just released a new BIOS for their 865PE mobo today...too bad I don't have the mobo here right now cos it would be interesting to see if the performance has been improved.
Whoa here is the said mobo doing 355MHz FSB
edit: and this is done using normal room temp aircooling
OMFG
is it stable?
Now you tell me ! hehe
It just seems...off. Every other Springdale board out there performs like it should...less that 875P. I have no idea what kind of tom ('s hardware) foolery Asus is pulling on that one.
Anand and Tech Report pretty much found the same things macci and I did about Springdale v. 875P.
OCWorkbench.com's P4P800 review. They got similar results too. P4P800 was able to beat the P4C800 which in turn beat the IC7.
I personally do believe that ASUS has just made a BIOS that uses the full potential of the chipset. Seems that other SPringdale mobo makers have in a way limited the performance. I could be wrong thou :D
But we'll see once someone gets it and does some serious benchmarking. I think its bye bye time for IC7 now :D
Have a feeling that the ASUS mobo will improve CPU overclockability a bit too ;)
For instance the P4T533-C I used a while ago can beat the crap out of this IC7 in terms of CPU overclocking: w/ P4T533-C I was able to hit over 100MHz higher 1.6A overclock (over 3400MHz now struggling to get past 3.3GHz w/ IC7).
Alright, I was looking for a new mobo. So this would be the hot Idem then?
Are they avalible? I haven't read anything yet, to excited:D
OPP
It just looks super-fishy to me. Perhaps they have some sort of FSB-jacking going on in there, like Tom found on the MSI 865PE board?
It just doesn't make sense though...why would they want to release a low-end board that smacks around their own high-end board?
Go get one, macci...Show us the truth ;)
@Opp
How many do you want P4P800 normal or deluxe :)
To bad shipping from here (Belgium) To US costs so much (even more with low $)
Readely available here
@Zroc
Well the 865P and 875P Asus both do the same amount of fsb jacking, both running @ 202pointsomething stock.
making a 3.00Ghz into 3.03
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2003/othe...ootout/fsb.gif
that accounts for increase in performance over other 875 boards, but not for the Asus P4C800
Another review HERE 34 pages long.
Same result : the P4P800 beats all other boards, including the P4C800 and IC7.
I still can't understand how a Springdale board can beat a CW board in almost every benchmark.
Also strange to see that the P4P800 outperforms the Epox 4PDA2+ boards in memory scores.
PCMark2002 :
ASUS P4P800 : 8589
EPOX 4PDA2+ : 6905
Sandra Memory :
ASUS P4P800 : 5027
EPOX 4PDA2+ : 4289
1600 and 800 points difference, almost seems to good to be true. :D
I wonder what ASUS has been up to. PAT is only supported by the Canterwood boards. Do you think they might have implemented it in their Springdale boards?? Just wondering.
I think PAT is enabled but then it deff is on the canterwood. so that can't account for the differance between both Asus springdale and canterwoodQuote:
Originally posted by Jupiler
I wonder what ASUS has been up to. PAT is only supported by the Canterwood boards. Do you think they might have implemented it in their Springdale boards?? Just wondering.
Looks like this board only gets to about 1.65 v-core and only 2.85 mem voltage. Anybody have links to Vmods on this mobo?
OPP
288fsb 3dmark run with R9700
pretty good results if you ask me
Quote:
lobby scores are slightly better than mine at 3.4 GHz/243 5:4 ... :eek:
goddamnit this is just going to get me to buy one :(
Contact me, might be able to get some cheap.Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
lobby scores are slightly better than mine at 3.4 GHz/243 5:4 ... :eek:
goddamnit this is just going to get me to buy one :(
Looking into some myself ;)
Just havent decided on Deluxe or not :D
I can get them right now in germany @ 139 , Factor can prolly get them cheaper but wont know till tomorrow. And I dont need any deluxe crap ;)
omg I will probably get one and it will sux. LOL I will jinx you all and buy one only to have Asus ship them with some regular bios and not the PAT enabled like I assume it is in the boards that got sent out for review
yeah, i see the non-deluxe over at axiontech for $129 + 8 shipped to CA, no tax :)Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Alright, I was looking for a new mobo. So this would be the hot Idem then?
Are they avalible? I haven't read anything yet, to excited:D
OPP
deluxe vs. non-deluxe: according to an article i found, only difference i could find was firewire, and an additional raid controller via. also, speculation that the non-D is built in china.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboa...514172512.html
All right, I'm going to M-Wave to pick one up right now. Maybe someone can get a hold of the v-mods for me so I can do them when I get back :)Quote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
yeah, i see the non-deluxe over at axiontech for $129 + 8 shipped to CA, no tax :)
deluxe vs. non-deluxe: according to an article i found, only difference i could find was firewire, and an additional raid controller via. also, speculation that the non-D is built in china.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboa...514172512.html
See yea boys later :D
OPP
Opp I've been looking around for the mods for the last couple of days with no luck :(
I suspect they may be the same as the P4G8X ??
what other boards do you have? can you compare the p4p800 to them? i'm about two clicks away from ordering.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
All right, I'm going to M-Wave to pick one up right now. Maybe someone can get a hold of the v-mods for me so I can do them when I get back :)
See yea boys later :D
OPP
i cant see any familiar voltage controllers on the board... I would hope its the chip at the bottom right corner of the socket (well the black plastic included), hard to see the scale, might be a HIP.
The controller on the EpoX 4PCA3+ is pretty hopeless :(
What is the date for the 865 BIOS compared to the 875 BIOS at present ? If it is a lot newer then it might be worth waiting for a new BIOS for the 875 before buying the 865 ?
Regards
Andy
That's not the FSB-jacking I'm refering to, Entuscan.Quote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
@Zroc
Well the 865P and 875P Asus both do the same amount of fsb jacking, both running @ 202pointsomething stock.
making a 3.00Ghz into 3.03
The one I'm refering to is the type of jacking that only happens applications are launched, and aren't detectable by CPU-Z/WCPUID/Intel CPU/Sandra and the likes.
Tom found it here:
http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20...800fsb-01.html
See? It's weird...the FSB gets jacked up 6.5% ONLY when an actual application launches. I don't rely on Tom's for much of anything, but I found that to be a pretty amazing find.
I'm not flat-out saying that's what's happening, but it certainly could be something to that effect. Or they could've found something to turn on PAT (that's be cool)...who knows?
All I do know is, this doesn't make any sense at all (particularly when they're beating their OWN high-end board).
We won't really know until somebody actually compares this thing to another board, and then takes a look at BOTH at different levels of overclocking at equal intervals.
If the thing falls off a ton when overclocking compared to another board, we'll know something's up. For that matter, if it won't OC as well to another board, it also could be a sign of trouble.
Looking forward to your report, OPP!
I'd advise any thinking of this board to wait until someone really puts the screws to it.
c'mon OPP, let us know.
Can anyone comment on the IS7 from Abit yet?
IOf it performs similar to the IC7, then I definantly will get the IS7 instead.
The vanilla IS7 even comes with LAn :D
Well I have the Asus siting right here. None of these IC chips are familiar to me. We need an expert on these mods. I'll hook it anyway and see what shes got going:D
OPP
Good luck Opp ! what cpu are you going to be using ?
I know you have the HyperX for ram.
All I have is a 3gig 800 chip.
OPP
Good luck Opp !
I picked up a 3.0c too yesterday so I'll be working this week end with a P4C800.
I'll keep looking for a link for some vmods but still haven't found any yet. I looked the board over and located the Vdimm regulator chip, but I'm not familure with it. I thought it might be the same circuit as on the P4G8X but not sure.
That was quick, OPP ;)
Actually, that's cool...I wanna see what you can do without modz anyway.
What board are you comparing it to?
If possible, compare the two at stock, and at different levels...let's see what Asus is pulling here.
You da man...
Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Well I have the Asus siting right here. None of these IC chips are familiar to me. We need an expert on these mods. I'll hook it anyway and see what shes got going:D
OPP
cant be any worse than this EPoX board i've been trying to get modded :(
tiny tiny legs on the Vcore chip which is like the most complicated piece of crap i've ever seen :(
try pin-tricking the CPU? didnt work on this board, but might work on the ASSus ;)
interesting find there zroc......
can you prove that FSB jack by 6.5% opp?
hmmmmm.....
AssM@N,
hehe guys nice work. Keep us posted
macci,Quote:
Originally posted by macci
I know it sounds wierd. Did a similar 875 vs. 865 test myself too (using DFI 875 and Albatron 865) and w/ both mobos running w/ a 3.0@4010MHz and overclocker R9800 the 875 was 1000Marks faster.
you hinted that you modded the vMEM on your DFI PRO875 in another thread could you post the details for all of us to see (in another thread or PM me or something)? Thanks. And, check your PM, please.
Sorry for the OT post.
No mods needed, unless you want to go above 1.95V.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Well I have the Asus siting right here. None of these IC chips are familiar to me. We need an expert on these mods. I'll hook it anyway and see what shes got going:D
OPP
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...threadid=45385
Phalanx28
I'm looking for a Vdimm mod
I have seen several posts saying that by increasing the Vagp that it also affects the Vdd ??? Sounds goofy to me but I hope its corect.
doesnt help ddr though
As Phalanx already informed us
http://www.asus.com.tw/support/downl...06.zip~zaqwedc
BIOS 1006
Dated 22-05-2003
List of Fixes:
1. Do not use Aflash.exe / EZflash /Afudos.exe to update BIOSV1006
2. Extract all the files into the floppy disk,and simply run P4P1006.exe under DOS mode,the BIOS update will execute automatically.Please refer to the readme file included in the zipped file for the details of BIOS update procedure.
3. Improve overclocking capability when FSB is greater than 300MHz.
4. Fix the system cant boot from bus powered USB ZIP-250 drive sometimes.
5. Improve overclocking margin for FSB set between 166 and 199MHz.
6. Correct FSB frequencies of a few Willamette CPUs.
7. Fix EZFlash failure if ATI 9700 Pro or 3DLabs Wildcat II 5110 are used.
8. Fix the system fails to boot from floppy drive A: after the first boot failure if an IDE CDROM drive is attached.
9. Support CPU VCORE adjustment up to 1.95V.
10. Update the boot ROM of onboard LAN controller.
11. Fix failure to initialize VGA after BIOS upgrade or the system is put in Mechanical Off state for 1 minute.
12. Support new CPU.
13. Improve Instant Music compatibility with different optical drives and keyboards.
14. Change onboard VIA RAID boot ROM to 6410v112.rom.
15. Fix "CPU Fan Failure" alarm if Intel boxed CPU fan is used.
The PROBLEM is all the links are broken at Asus, files are corrupted, and ftp is semi-corrupted. These are the same mods Asus put out for the P4C800 after working with "the MAD' on that BIOS.
If anyone HAS this BIOS please post it here or abxzone (asusboards). A lot of ppl are trying to set up this board and would love to get their hands on this new release BIOS.
That's true. Still, with Vcore to 1.95 (2.0V with over), it's one less thing to mod.Quote:
Originally posted by Ewok
doesnt help ddr though
Phalanx28
now if they would just give us 3.2vdimm
I ordered the P4P800 this am
should be here next week.
Hopefully I will get a damm P4 that will oc worth a damm too
Hmm, is it possible to achieve just by bios update ? If the mobo and circuits doesn't give more then only modding is your optionQuote:
Originally posted by Ewok
doesnt help ddr though
I suppose it depend on the memory voltage chip. Perhaps someone can find out what chip ASUS is using.Quote:
Originally posted by Frankie
Hmm, is it possible to achieve just by bios update ? If the mobo and circuits doesn't give more then only modding is your option
Phalanx28
I need that bios for the v-core, I'm stuck at 372x15, I think I'll be able to overclock the chip higher then the MSI. I'll need it, sofar the 3D scores are about the same pound for pound and at 272 they're lower then at 274 MSI.
OPP
good to know that the board doesn't tank with higher fsb oc's
plus it seems potential oc's are about the same, maybe even a bit better once vcore is fixed. Hopefully the board won't get neutered with future bios updates though. I ordered one today, it's my first Asus since the KT133 board. haven't been impressed with any of their boards from then till now. Hopefully mine won't be a dud.
This mobo has a problem with the reset and Prometeia if anybody wants to know:D
OPP
getting used to it with IC7 ;)Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
This mobo has a problem with the reset and Prometeia if anybody wants to know:D
OPP
I am curious about what kind of FSB you can do at what timings and such (if the BIOS offers a bit more than just 2-5-2-2 anyway)
I still havent found any board that'll do 285+ at 5/4 :(
But I guess with your multiplier you wont get to 285 damnit ;)
so you are saying same fsb the asus and the MSI 875 are equal, and when set to 272, they are slower than the MSI at 274?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I need that bios for the v-core, I'm stuck at 372x15, I think I'll be able to overclock the chip higher then the MSI. I'll need it, sofar the 3D scores are about the same pound for pound and at 272 they're lower then at 274 MSI.
OPP
I get the same memory overclock on this mobo as the MSI, It's topping out at around 235, must be my memory. 2-5-2-2 is as low as it goes by the way :)Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
getting used to it with IC7 ;)
I am curious about what kind of FSB you can do at what timings and such (if the BIOS offers a bit more than just 2-5-2-2 anyway)
I still havent found any board that'll do 285+ at 5/4 :(
But I guess with your multiplier you wont get to 285 damnit ;)
OPP
why don't u back off on the mem timings opp. Seems the 875's don't take hardly any hit with the relax'd timings. Does the p4p800 drop alot or is the bios not allowing the timing changes?
I'm saying that say at 270 for both mobos they are about the same. I'm saying that I can only do 272 so of corse the MSI at 274 is faster.Quote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
so you are saying same fsb the asus and the MSI 875 are equal, and when set to 272, they are slower than the MSI at 274?
OPP
I've used 2.5-4-4-8 same difference. I just rememberd though that I have only 2.8V so I may be able to do more memory with some voltage.Quote:
Originally posted by JNav89GT
why don't u back off on the mem timings opp. Seems the 875's don't take hardly any hit with the relax'd timings. Does the p4p800 drop alot or is the bios not allowing the timing changes?
OPP
I scrapped the Asus P4C800 early. Mine didnt work with reset as well.
can someone explain how I would run this board with my prommy then with this board assuming mine works well I might wish to swap out my 8RDA+ for this board. This reset issue seems to plague most 875/865 boards. What is the workaround?
Have you done a mem mod on your mobo Fugger?Quote:
Originally posted by FUGGER
I scrapped the Asus P4C800 early. Mine didnt work with reset as well.
OPP
I've been unplugging the reset plug, then I put a jumper on the reset pins and short it out untill I reach a good temp on the prometeia, then I just pull the jumper off.Quote:
Originally posted by JNav89GT
can someone explain how I would run this board with my prommy then with this board assuming mine works well I might wish to swap out my 8RDA+ for this board. This reset issue seems to plague most 875/865 boards. What is the workaround?
OPP
Heres the 1006 bios
http://mapage.noos.fr/bandamor/bios/p4p81006.zip
OPP
oh i get it
so jumper the cable coming from the prometia unit until down to say -33c or so then unplug the jumper, that isn't too bad
thanks OPP
sounds like this is the board to get
a vdimm mod would be all that is needed I think to make this the uber board, at least until some fatal Asus bug is found :rolleyes:
have u tested that bios
I would be interested to know performance differences if any there are between shipping and this new bios. To make sure there isn't a decline anyway. Also, does the increased vcore work and what about vdimm(still the same)
appreciate all your feedback OPP
I just stuck it in, I dought it has better performance, it does have more v-core so I'm going to see what this will do. Just getting started:D
OPP
Ok...because THAT's the really big question.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I'm saying that say at 270 for both mobos they are about the same. I'm saying that I can only do 272 so of corse the MSI at 274 is faster.
OPP
The buzz on this board is there because, in all the reviews, this lowly Springdale board is BEATING every 875P motherboard out there at STOCK speeds. Even Asus's own 875P.
Obviously, this doesn't make a lick of sense.
What I'd like to know (and I imagine, quite a few of us), is if the board holds up when overclocking.
If you could, please, let us know how the two board compare at stock speeds....I'd like to see if your own results match up with those around the web. Then, if possible, a moderate overclock (perhaps both at 250 5:4, equal timings), and then a high overclock.
In essence, if the board IS proving to be faster at stock speeds (even for you), but then reverting back to normal Springdale behavior (i.e. slightly slower than 875P) when overclocked....then they're obviously doing SOMETHING freaky at stock speeds.
Pretty important, really...if the board doesn't hold those same advantages it has at stock when overclocking, it might be a big waste of money, being it's the same price as an IC7 875P.
You input is HIGHLY appreciated.
Zroc
I think that one thing ASUS does is use really tight timings at stock speeds. They couldnt hold up under overclocking, hence they automatically slow down to normal levels (well, 875 levels, so still pretty good) when overclocked
Not staying in Reset (like IC7) or not comming out of it (like P4C)?Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
This mobo has a problem with the reset and Prometeia if anybody wants to know:D
OPP
With or without powerconditioner?
I didnt do the mem mod, I had too many other problems like the poor IDE performance with RAID 0 and you will find pulling the reset doesnt always work as planned. I wound up pulling the power conditioner if I had to reset a lot.
The P4C800 will "NO CPU INSTALLED, NO CPU INSTALLED" when the reset is held too long.
My IC7 works correctly.
What I'm saying is, the Asus 865 is beating every other 865 by a wide margin, AND every 875P, at stock speeds...and at dead equal 2/5/2/2 timings:Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
Zroc
I think that one thing ASUS does is use really tight timings at stock speeds. They couldnt hold up under overclocking, hence they automatically slow down to normal levels (well, 875 levels, so still pretty good) when overclocked
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2003/othe...ut/865pe-5.htm
I mean, it's not even close, compared to other 865's, and 200 points is actually a LOT for the Asus 865 to be beating the Asus 875P at stock speeds! I mean, this thing is 800 points faster than any other Sprindale?!?
If those stock results don't hold up for OPP at equal timings as well...I'd call some of this web info BS.
The main thing is, if this board ends up being SLOWER than his 875P at the same timings when overclocked...then Asus is simply doing something really screwy at stock speeds.
Again, what I'm trying to NOT let happen is...people buying this board, expecting it to be FASTER than every 875P out there, even when overclocked. Because if those huge advantages at stock speeds don't hold up when overclocked, a lot of people expecting it to will be pissed off, ya know?
on the other hand, it makes a lot of sense to maximize performance at stock speeds...... 90% of buyers will run stock, doing them a big favour. And from the looks of it, when overclocked the P4P is on par with the P4C .... also not bad
When you hit the power switch the reset doesn't stop the system from starting. It goes right to post, no hold.Quote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
Not staying in Reset (like IC7) or not comming out of it (like P4C)?
With or without powerconditioner?
OPP
As far as 3D03 the MSI seems to be stronger. I havn't done a clean install of Windows with this mobo yet so I may make up a few points.
MSI at 275 = 6158
Asus at 275 = 6144
On the bright side I'm 3D proofed at 276 = 6148
I still think I go farther with the CPU, feels solid.
This is only with 3D03, It may kick booty with 2001, we'll see.
By the way, what is my memory running at 276 5:4 divider :D
I missed that day in school when we did that math :D
OPP
221 MHz ;)
Thats it?? I thought it was in the 230 range.Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
221 MHz ;)
This is a great overclocker, Im at 277 3D proofed. The scores in both 2001 and 03 still seem less the my MSI at 275.
OPP
You need 290Fsb to be in the 230mhz mem range with 5:4 :(
288 = 230
personally I think 5:4 is a bad divider, i would have prefered a 6:5 option
You should be happy, I have to bench at 294 3:2 = 196 MHz memory :( :( :( :(
Auch, doesn't the Epox allow for some better benching then that ??Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
You should be happy, I have to bench at 294 3:2 = 196 MHz memory :( :( :( :(
Is't sacreficing some overall cpu power worth better memory?
not the EPoX, not the ABIT either.Quote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
Auch, doesn't the Epox allow for some better benching then that ??
Is't sacreficing some overall cpu power worth better memory?
highest I can bench 5:4 is around 284, thats 4 GHz. 4.1 GHz and 294 is a tad faster but not much... it would absolutely fly though at 5:4 but it seems to be impossible. Extra chipset voltage and cooling do absolutely nothing :(
Get me some R404A in the prometeia and I'll do 290 :DQuote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
You need 290Fsb to be in the 230mhz mem range with 5:4 :(
288 = 230
personally I think 5:4 is a bad divider, i would have prefered a 6:5 option
OPP
I agree...and disagree. If you ever deal with 'regular' customers, you know what I'm talking about ;)Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
on the other hand, it makes a lot of sense to maximize performance at stock speeds...... 90% of buyers will run stock, doing them a big favour. And from the looks of it, when overclocked the P4P is on par with the P4C .... also not bad
Just imagine...'I want the 875P, because it's faster'...'Yes, Mr. Customer, but this one miracle Asus 865PE is faster than all 875P's across the land!'...'I don't understand...'...'I don't either, Mr. Customer, it just is' ;)
In any event, OPP seems to have answered our question (though I'd like to know if you get the same funky results at stock as some of these web site are getting).
OPP's 3DMark2K1 and 2K3 scores at 277 with the Asus Springdale P4P800 are LOWER than his scores at 275 with his MSI 875P. This would seem to indicate that the P4P800 is 'reverting' back to normal Springdale-like results when overclocked.
Which answers my own question. Being that the P4P800 is same price as the IC7, the IC7 seems to be the better deal if overclocking.
Hey OPP...just for easy reference, for 5:4, multiply your FSB times 1.6 to get the mem speed. At 3:2, multiply times 1.33.
Quote:
Originally posted by Zroc
Hey OPP...just for easy reference, for 5:4, multiply your FSB times 1.6 to get the mem speed. At 3:2, multiply times 1.33.
Math is a b!tch isnt it ... ;)
I dont think they make any memory thÃ:banana:t fast yet
???Quote:
Originally posted by Zroc
Hey OPP...just for easy reference, for 5:4, multiply your FSB times 1.6 to get the mem speed. At 3:2, multiply times 1.33.
Why doesn't anybody just use the dividers and what they stand for
5:4 mem= fsb/1.25
3:2 mem= fsb/1.5
Funny im not having trouble with my IC-7 @ 292fsb 5:4 2,5,2,2 fast :D
MachII is due next week and i sold my normal Prommie so im out of action for a bit :(
Yes...apparently, OPP needs a comp faster than 4175 to perform those crushing computations ;)Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
Math is a b!tch isnt it ... ;)
Just ribbin' ya, OPP... :D
Quote:
Originally posted by toofast
Funny im not having trouble with my IC-7 @ 292fsb 5:4 2,5,2, fast :D
MachII is due next week and i sold my normal Prommie so im out of action for a bit :(
what CPU speed and CPU voltage...?
This epox board for example did 302 5:4 fastest settings with a 2.4C in a prom.
Jack it up to 4.1 GHz and you lose a whole lotta FSB :(
Well, you could do that...you'd need to multiply the result times 2.Quote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
???
Why doesn't anybody just use the dividers and what they stand for
5:4 mem= fsb/1.25
3:2 mem= fsb/1.5
It's just easier to go FSBx1.6 than FSB/1.25x2. Plus, a lot of motherboards list their ratios as 1.6 or 1.3.
Its a 2.8C JC @ 1.75v mem benchies will be about 65xx/65xx ish stoopid me forgot to do some :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
what CPU speed and CPU voltage...?
This epox board for example did 302 5:4 fastest settings with a 2.4C in a prom.
Jack it up to 4.1 GHz and you lose a whole lotta FSB :(
Ah Zroc
Well know I get it, You're talking in DDR speeds/rating
I (and many others) like to talk about effectiev MHZ for memory
So then indeed both are correct
x1.6 or x1.3 = DDR speed
/1.25 or /1.5 = Mhz
Cheers :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by Entuscan
Ah Zroc
Well know I get it, You're talking in DDR speeds/rating
I (and many others) like to talk about effectiev MHZ for memory
So then indeed both are correct
x1.6 or x1.3 = DDR speed
/1.25 or /1.5 = Mhz
I suck at math so I just do it the long and easy to remember way. Take the FSB and divide by 5 then multiply by 4 if your ratio is 5:4.
Or take the fsb and divide by 3 then multiply by 2 to get your ram speed. Same goes with any fsb:mem multiplier.
Say fsb = 274 and your running 5:4 cpu to mem.
If fsb = 274/5 = 54.8 then * 4 = 219.2 mem speed.
Now that I look at it, it's kind of confusing and long heh but it works for any cpu to mem ratio and you do not have to remeber decimals.
I don't thin k the MSI is useing a 5:4 ratio. This could explain why this asus can't beat it even 60Mhz faster cpu speed. On the MSI when you set it to 333 it shows the mem speed in DDR, when you set it to like around 275 it would show 460 (230Mhz). If it was true mem speed it would explain why I needed so much mem voltage and why on this Asus I only need the measly 2.8V.
What would the ratio be with FSB at 275 and the mem at 230?
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Hmmmm...
275:230
5:4.1818
But that margin is nominal. That difference falls into margin of variation in that test. Just 14 points of difference, I get 300 points variations if running 3dmark in a rowQuote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
As far as 3D03 the MSI seems to be stronger. I havn't done a clean install of Windows with this mobo yet so I may make up a few points.
MSI at 275 = 6158
Asus at 275 = 6144
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For average user that gap in irrelevant, but of course for you, dudes, that margin can be everything :D
3D03 doesn't vary much at all, in fact I can get the exact same bench one after the other. The point spread being 10 points with the card not clocked is a lot. It's not like 2001 benching.
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Actually, I think MSI's BIOS is just wrong (it says the same thing on the 865PE). It says the settings are 266, 333, and 400...but the 333 is really 320.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I don't thin k the MSI is useing a 5:4 ratio. This could explain why this asus can't beat it even 60Mhz faster cpu speed. On the MSI when you set it to 333 it shows the mem speed in DDR, when you set it to like around 275 it would show 460 (230Mhz). If it was true mem speed it would explain why I needed so much mem voltage and why on this Asus I only need the measly 2.8V.
What would the ratio be with FSB at 275 and the mem at 230?
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The ratio if it really WAS 333 would be 6:5 (5 divided by 6, x2 = 1.66. So 200 x 1.66 = 333).
But the BIOS is just wrong. Even Intel calls 'the 333 setting', but it's really 320.
Looks like Abit has released a new IC7 BIOS..
Where about macci can it be found pls? :)
I can find a Beta IS7 one released 23/5 but no IC7 one
Cheers
:)
[Edit: Found it :DQuote:
Beta BIOS for IS7-G, IS7G_13.B01 (524,288 bytes)
New Fixes/Features
1. Supported IS7-G/IS7/IS7-E mainboard.
2. Updated CPU micro code (CPU: 0F29H, ID=11H).
3. Added CPU multiplier 8X for engineering sample CPU and maximum CPU
frequency 412 MHz.
4. Revised setup menu for on-chip Serial ATA.
5. Fixed on-chip SATA boot issue while another bootable hard drives exist
and attached to IDE-1 or IDE-2.
6. Updated memory reference code and ICH5 BIOS spec to v1.2.
7. Fixed PS/2 mouse malfunctioning problem while the USB cable of Media XP
attached to mainboard.
8. Fixed DOS 6.22 booting failure from FAT16 partition.
9. Fixed BIOS hang-up problem which is caused by specific CPU cooling fan
reporting error RPM to BIOS when CPU FanEQ 60% enabled.
10. Revised the following default settings in BIOS setup page.
- Bootable Add-in Device: PCI Slot Device
- CPU FanEQ Active Temperature: 70 C
- CPU Warning Temperature: 85 C
11. Added 80, 85, and 90 degrees C into "Shutdown Temperature".
12. Enabled "IDE Block Mode" and hided the option.
13. Revised ICH5R RAID BIOS display issue.
14. Revised power-on delay time from 4~5 seconds to 1~2 seconds after AC
power lost and resumed.
15. Added description for "Bootable Add-in Device".
Quote:
http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/download/bios/dlbios.php?name=IC7&file=ic7/ic713.exe
BIOS release 1.3 for IC7/IC7-G v1.0
Release information:
[ENGLISH]
New Fixes/Features
1. Fixed DOS 6.22 booting failure from FAT16 partition.
2. Revised display mode of HTT CPU LOGO.
3. Fixed BIOS hang-up problem which is caused by specific CPU cooling fan
reporting error RPM to BIOS when CPU FanEQ 60% enabled.
4. Revised the following default settings in BIOS setup page.
- Bootable Add-in Device: PCI Slot Device
- CPU FanEQ Active Temperature: 70 C
- CPU Warning Temperature: 85 C
5. Enabled "IDE Block Mode" and hided the option.
6. Revised ICH5R RAID BIOS display issue.
7. Fixed COM2 device existing in Windows Device Manager problem.
8. Revised power-on delay time from 4~5 seconds to 1~2 seconds after AC power
lost and resumed.
9. BIOS Compile Date: 5/19/2003.
That would be exactly a 6:5 ratio. :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
when you set it to like around 275 it would show 460 (230Mhz).
What would the ratio be with FSB at 275 and the mem at 230?
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Thats what it is then. This is the reason for topping out with the 333 at around 278 on the MSI, it matches my one to one ratio top out as far as mem speed.Quote:
Originally posted by MCWB
That would be exactly a 6:5 ratio. :toast:
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