TUNIQ DESTROYED! Project_Infinity Triumphs! *56k*

Well, since my friend was upgrading his cpu, ram, cooler and video card, I asked him if I could borrow his new tuniq when he got it for testing purposes. He said yes, so now I dont have to buy one for testing :). This is the MOMEMT of truth for some people here. Here, we find out if all the work I put into modding my scythe infinity was worth it.

The goal of this experiment was to see if I could modofy the Scythe Infinity to be better than the tuniq at the same noise level. This is important to me because anyone can slap on two 220cfm delta's on the infinity and have the best air cooler, but kill his/her ears at the same time. So the noise level of two yate loons at roughly 1300rpms is 30dba. the full 2000rpms of the tuniq fan gets around 40dba. The fan controller on the tuniq was a bit odd. The rpm's didnt smoothly increase or decrease with the roatation of the knob. 60% of the dial will give maximum speed. I dont know why it does this...but Here are the settings I measured the speed at.

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The low speed setting gave roughly the same noise as two yate loons. I still tested medium and high fan speed since I wanted to see the max performance this cooler could yeild. If the speed was turned any lower than *low* it would be almost too silent, and probably would barely spin. So I didnt test anything lower.

When I was installing the tuniq, one of the screws decided to snap so I used the screws I mounted the infinity on the tuniq. Everything is screwed in until the bracket bends, and the motherboard is bending as well, maximum pressure everywhere.

Here are some pix of the tuniq with the modded infinity:

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Alright..enough talk, lets get to those temps...

temps measured using TAT, dual sp2004 load, 65f ambient.


- Modded Scythe Infinity, x2 1300rpms Yate Loons Push/Pull Config, As5, Custom Mount

2.4ghz, AUTOvcore
Idle: 28c
Load: 36c


3.6ghz, 1.6vcore
Idle: 43c
Load: 59c



- Tuniq Tower, as5, custom mount

2.4ghz, AUTOvcore

-Low
Idle: 30c
Load: 43c
-Medium
Idle: 29
Load: 41c
-High
Idle: 29c
Load: 40c


3.6ghz, 1.6vcore

-Low
Idle: 49c
Load: 71c
-Medium
Idle: 48
Load: 66c
-High
Idle: 48c
Load: 65c


SO! Based on the results, the tuniq pretty much gets its A55 handed to itself, especially when pumping high amounts of heat into it. Im feeling pretty good right now..beating a tuniq at full blast with something MUCH MUCH quieter.

Well...thats it for me tonight, hope you have all enjoyed the destruction of the mighty tuniq tower. ;)

not expected results IMHO to see the modded infinity beats the Tuniq by this LARGE margin

You have 2 fans on the scythe and 1 on the tuniq. Of course there is going to be a difference. Is the infinity lapped? Is the tuniq? I wanna see the complete test bed

try the tuniq with the same x2 1300rpms Yate Loons Push/Pull Config ;)

he is comparing a MODDED Inifnity with 2 fans against a stock Tuniq

So can I get an infinity, mod it like that, and have the same results

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

So can I get an infinity, mod it like that, and have the same results

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if you want...yes. The infinity is lapped true, I didnt have time to lap the tuniq, but perhaps today I will come home with a new lapping kit and try a lapped one with two, three fans on it. I was surprised be the large margin as well, especially under high heat loads.
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Originally Posted by SaFrOuT

not expected results IMHO to see the modded infinity beats the Tuniq by this LARGE margin

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not surprised myself, i have both tuniq and scythe infinity and infinity wins under load by 1-2C but tuniq is 1-2C cooler under load.

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Originally Posted by eva2000

infinity wins under load by 1-2C but tuniq is 1-2C cooler under load.

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something wrong here

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Originally Posted by eva2000

infinity wins under load by 1-2C but tuniq is 1-2C cooler under load.

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:confused: uuuhh, I dont get it :stick:

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Originally Posted by enz660

:confused: uuuhh, I dont get it :stick:

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You ain't the only one :confused:

I think one thing to consider is that wide spaced fins like on the infinity are better for low rpm/cfm fans while the more densely packed fins on the tuniq do their job better with higher rpm/cfm fans as more pressure is needed to push the air through. Obviously the Infinity is much more adaptable in respect to the type of fan that can be used.

Interesting project though :toast:

hmmm:rolleyes: Interesting! :)
However, I think your test setup for Tuniq is seriously flawed.:fact: :stick:
To be fair, there should be an exhaust fan, which is the typical installation of a tuniq 120.

I think my tuniq 120 installation is a typical one. The tuniq fan blows to a exhaust fan.

Would be interesting seeing a 3fan tuniq vs. 2fan infinity.:)

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Originally Posted by Scyth3

Would be interesting seeing a 3fan tuniq vs. 2fan infinity.:)

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:D
My point here is that the OP should compare his custom cooler to a typical tuniq setup a least. The tuniq is so big that it is very close to the exhaust window (as shown on his picture). It's natural to put an exhaust fan there.

The tuniq is crippled in his tests. :slapass:

i would like to see the tuniq with the dual fans and how well it does. also with it lapped to the same quality. im thinking about trying the tuniq but need to find out a little bit more info and see if i can still fit my HR-05 cooler on my northbridge. the tuniq would be interesting with 2 or 3 fans on it

I don't know much about this cooler other than getting mine yesterday and the reviews that inspired me to buy it but, this is indeed one bad ass cooler!
Beside the fact that this thing is huge and looks like Big Foots left shoe in my case and is louder than hell turned all of the way up the results are very impressive indeed! Here are my results without lapping the Tuniq base and the Artic Silver 5 just applied , compared to my old cooler.....

Zalman CNPS9500 @ 2800mhz 1.4 vcore Idle 31c Load 52c

Tuniq Tower @ 2800mhz 1.4 vcore Idle 23c Load 40c

Temps taken with Core Temp ambient temp @70F

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Originally Posted by \/icious

You have 2 fans on the scythe and 1 on the tuniq. Of course there is going to be a difference. Is the infinity lapped? Is the tuniq? I wanna see the complete test bed

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2 fans on infinity only give ~1-2C better temps than 1 fan on infinity from my experience so factor that in, and infinity would of still won by 2-4C at 3.6ghz load

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Originally Posted by enz660

:confused: uuuhh, I dont get it :stick:

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correction

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infinity wins under load by 1-2C but tuniq is 1-2C cooler idle.

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Originally Posted by eva2000

2 fans on infinity only give ~1-2C better temps than 1 fan on infinity from my experience so factor that in, and infinity would of still won by 2-4C at 3.6ghz load


correction

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so basically the infinity works better under high heat loads? Anyways..I home depot's highest grit sandpaper is 600 so Ill lap that tuniq soon. Im going to smother thermal paste in different parts of the base as well (just like the infinity). Going to try to make this more of an "apples to apples" test...

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Originally Posted by enz660

so basically the infinity works better under high heat loads? Anyways..I home depot's highest grit sandpaper is 600 so Ill lap that tuniq soon. Im going to smother thermal paste in different parts of the base as well (just like the infinity). Going to try to make this more of an "apples to apples" test...

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The contact between IHS and the cooler base is critical. :fact:
That's why people are reporting big decrese of temperature after laping IHS and/or cooler base, or using better thermal paste, Coollab liquid metal for example.

Make it a apple to apple comparison by all means before you draw any conclusions.

I do think the infinity should work better under high heat load because it has more heatpipes. An overclocked quad would probably show this.

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Originally Posted by GPSeek

The contact between IHS and the cooler base is critical. :fact:
That's why people are reporting big decrese of temperature after laping IHS and/or cooler base, or using better thermal paste, Coollab liquid metal for example.

Make it a apple to apple comparison by all means before you draw any conclusions.

I do think the infinity should work better under high heat load because it has more heatpipes. An overclocked quad would probably show this.

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lol..I know its critical man... I have the IHS already lapped, my question is if a finish with 600grit will be enough for now..I dont have anything higher atm.

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Originally Posted by enz660

my question is if a finish with 600grit will be enough for now..I dont have anything higher atm.

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I think you should lap it to the same finish as your custom infinity.
However, I think lapping the cooler base is much less effective/important than lapping IHS.

This thread makes me glad I bought an Infinitely instead for $20 cheaper than the Tuniq, really want to see the final testing result.:) Go INFINITY!!!!

gee, a heatsink with two 120mm fans does slightly better than a heatsink with only one... WHO KNEW

You can put 1000 fans on a stock heatsink and it can not cool any better than the Tuniq with 1. Airflow is not the only factor.:)

What the OP has proved with this thread is that anyone who is willing to put some thought and effort into modding any cooler can make it far better. However to come to the conclusion that "heatsink A is better than heatsink B" is near impossible with all the variables to take into account and no one is un-biased enough or has enough time to test all coolers in exactly the same conditions; mounting pressure, airflow, ambient temperature, thermal paste, lapping finish, etc, etc.. . Also the old saying of "Different horses for different courses" is very adaptable to heatsinks, as mentioned different fin densitys are better for different fans, some coolers are designed for low noise operation some are for high noise, some benefit from more case airflow, some don't. Then cmes the fact that not everyones case's and fan placement's are the same so ofcourse results will differ. What I'm saying is although the OP has done a good job with his infinity the results are not and cannot be good enough to draw the conclusion infinity DESTROY'S the tuniq with some mods. Sorry if I sound like an ass :p:.

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No offense, but this thread is not informative, or even slightly useful.

By your own admission in your own thread mounting alone was huge

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Originally Posted by enz660

I mounted the scythe with the zalman super thermal grease that gave me a bit better results than as5. The temps were....HORRIBLE! At least to my old cooler they were. They were overall 5c higher than the freezer's. At this point I want to rip the scythe off and throw it at my wall.

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Lapping a heat sink from a halfway decent manufacturer has been proven useless, all this is saying is that "more fans=lower temps" and who knows how much lower given the extremely large variable that is mounting.

Its really no suprise that proper mounting, and dual fans in a push pull compared to stock center fan of the tuniq is beating your modded scythe. I could do a modded tuniq and quite possibly beat the numbers your getting from the scythe in a similar setup.

So I wouldnt really say tuniq testroyed, nor would I say that teh Infinity is a bad cooler, more so that your test and environment arent verbatim. The mounting could be better, the push pull is forcing more air into the fins creating more heat dissipation, and your room temps could flucuate. Its a cool mod idea, but I would put my money on a modded tuniq to beat that.

Well I don't care who the king of the coolers is because I am happy with what I see and 10-11c drop under full load is staggering. and I am sure that once it sets up it will drop another couple of degrees and even more when I lap it!:D
But in all actuality I think that when I have the money I will go with water and tec colling because I am getting to old to be hearing these high speed fans full time and its starting to wear on my nerves!:stick:

guys guys, reelaaaxx! There are more updates comming soon. Im going to lap the tuniq, and add more fans, just like the infinity.... I just need to find some time between classes, homework & my job to do all this.

based on the vibes I'm getting from this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if someone said that the Infinity couldn't destroy the stock intel cooler...

:woot: , go stock cooler.

This test is unfair for the Tuniq, not just because its fitted with one fan, while the Infinity has two. More importantly than that, the way the fans are set up on the Infinity allows maximum air flow, with fresh air coming from the front of the case, and the hot air immediately blown out through the exhaust fan. Meanwhile, the only fan the Tuniq is equipped with looks like its about a centimeter or two away from a large video card. (DUH! No air flow!)

It doesn't use the air flow in the case efficiently. Its pulling air from the bottom of the case, off of the back of a video card that I’m sure adds some heat to the air that’s been sitting down there, unless you have some fans on the side panel. Also the exhaust from the cooler isn't moved fast enough out of the case, because the fan on the cooler is pointed right at a PSU. And we all know that PSU fans don't usually have very good air flow.

Also keep in mind, that heat rises. So, once the heat is blown to the top of the case, it’s going to be very hard for that exhaust fan to get it out.

This test is totally unfair, and completely biased.

The only possible way for this test to be fair would be to rotate the Tuniq 90 degrees, or give the Tuniq two fans and connect them with ventilation tubes to the intake and exhaust fans on the case, then use the same ventilation tubes with the Infinity. But even then it wouldn't really be fair for the Tuniq because the fans would have to work hard to get the air flow through the 90 degree turns in the ventilation tubing.

The only time a test result is unbiased, is when EVERYTHING is the same about the setup. That includes installation angles, fans, lapped surfaces, room temperature, air flow setup, etc.

i expect the infinity to beat Tuniq Tower 120, not by this large margin but i do think Infinity > Tower 120

why?

cuz the desing, most of the heat ( i would say about 90% of em) are gather by the little heatsink just above the CPU socket, not the big one, and thats what the infinity has over tower 120

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Originally Posted by enz660

so basically the infinity works better under high heat loads? Anyways..I home depot's highest grit sandpaper is 600 so Ill lap that tuniq soon. Im going to smother thermal paste in different parts of the base as well (just like the infinity). Going to try to make this more of an "apples to apples" test...

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i'd say so... infinity with 955XE heater http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=3211 :)

3.46Ghz 955XE Extreme Edition cpu quad stressprime 1+hr stable @4399Mhz at 1.476v vcore (bios)

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Scythe Infinity with 2x 120x25mm Thermaltake 81cfm 0.40AMP fans push-pull config

Bios value => Intel Desktop Utilities value (windows)
CPU idle = 79-80C => 55-56C
System Zone 1 idle = 38C => 35C
System Zone 2 idle = 31C => 31C

Intel Desktop Utilities value (windows)
CPU load = 79-81C
System Zone 1 load = 38-40C
System Zone 2 load = 31C

Room temp = 26.8C

Idle
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Load (click image for larger image)
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955XE at stock

Scythe Infinity with 2x 120x25mm Thermaltake 81cfm 0.40AMP fans push-pull config

Bios value => Intel Desktop Utilities value (windows)
CPU idle = 51-52C => 40-41C
System Zone 1 idle = 33C => 34C
System Zone 2 idle = 30-31C => 31C

Intel Desktop Utilities value (windows)
CPU load = 55-57C
System Zone 1 load = 37-39C
System Zone 2 load = 32-34C

Room temp = 26.1C

Idle
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Load (click image for larger image)
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Originally Posted by Judaeus Apella

This test is unfair for the Tuniq, not just because its fitted with one fan, while the Infinity has two. More importantly than that, the way the fans are set up on the Infinity allows maximum air flow, with fresh air coming from the front of the case, and the hot air immediately blown out through the exhaust fan. Meanwhile, the only fan the Tuniq is equipped with looks like its about a centimeter or two away from a large video card. (DUH! No air flow!)

It doesn't use the air flow in the case efficiently. Its pulling air from the bottom of the case, off of the back of a video card that I’m sure adds some heat to the air that’s been sitting down there, unless you have some fans on the side panel. Also the exhaust from the cooler isn't moved fast enough out of the case, because the fan on the cooler is pointed right at a PSU. And we all know that PSU fans don't usually have very good air flow.

Also keep in mind, that heat rises. So, once the heat is blown to the top of the case, it’s going to be very hard for that exhaust fan to get it out.

This test is totally unfair, and completely biased.

The only possible way for this test to be fair would be to rotate the Tuniq 90 degrees, or give the Tuniq two fans and connect them with ventilation tubes to the intake and exhaust fans on the case, then use the same ventilation tubes with the Infinity. But even then it wouldn't really be fair for the Tuniq because the fans would have to work hard to get the air flow through the 90 degree turns in the ventilation tubing.

The only time a test result is unbiased, is when EVERYTHING is the same about the setup. That includes installation angles, fans, lapped surfaces, room temperature, air flow setup, etc.

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the fan is placed so that it pulls air from the fromt bays and pushes then out, just like the infinity. Also, that video card fan helps, but only when its not under load.

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Originally Posted by Judaeus Apella

Meanwhile, the only fan the Tuniq is equipped with looks like its about a centimeter or two away from a large video card. (DUH! No air flow!)

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I take it you've never seen a Tuniq in person? You're kinda missing the big freakin fan in the middle of the tower dude. ;)

hey guys, im getting ready for a "round 2" thread where I have the Tuniq fully modded, and Im retesting the infinity as well. What types of fan configs do you want to test? Im thinking first the stock one at different speeds, then a yate, then two yates, then all three at once :p: Anything else?

Oops... I forgot about that. lol!

Look its a Tuniq made of solid gold! :eek: *points, runs in the other direction and hides*

:sofa:

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Originally Posted by enz660

hey guys, im getting ready for a "round 2" thread where I have the Tuniq fully modded, and Im retesting the infinity as well. What types of fan configs do you want to test? Im thinking first the stock one at different speeds, then a yate, then two yates, then all three at once :p: Anything else?

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Lap both HSs, then do a test with both running the same two yates only. IMHO that is the only fair comparison.

DDTUNG:cool:

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Originally Posted by theteamaqua

i expect the infinity to beat Tuniq Tower 120, not by this large margin but i do think Infinity > Tower 120

why?

cuz the desing, most of the heat ( i would say about 90% of em) are gather by the little heatsink just above the CPU socket, not the big one, and thats what the infinity has over tower 120

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Ypu'd think that but it doesn't make much of a difference.

Have you ever tested the thermal paste bath mod on it's own? I have more ceramique than I know what to do with...

Nice mods on the Scythe :up: