Love the Fuzion block!

Thanks to the forums I was able to lap my QX6700 using 120,320,400,600,800,1000,1200 somewhere after 800 I lost three finger nails and four of my finger tips lost enough skin to start bleeding. However the smile I saw in my reflection made it worth it. starting out lapping the cpu I noticed it was as wavy as a ruffles potato chip, its no wonder my prior heat sink the Koolance 305 water block had no chance of cooling it.
During the Fuzion block install, I noticed that the Fuzion block would bow the motherboard with only 5 full turns of the nuts on each post, it really does not take much force to bow the motherboard with their springs. The bowing caused the heat sinks to seperate away from the little voltage regulator chips surrounding cpu. I wonder if the Swiftech Challange guys on the first night did this same thing and caused the board to overheat. Now I dont know if the bowing of the Fuzion base which is convex caused the bowing of the motherboard or the actual spring tension on the mounts did this. Either way I backed off the tension of the screws to three full turns on each nut but it didnt really help that much. The cheap thermal paste on those heat sinks were a pink brittle glue material, I took it off and put AS5 on them but the bowing didnt allow for good contact. Here are some screen shots of before and after fuzion with lapping. My computer room is a constant 78F at all times year round. I really am pleased with the results the Fuzion helped tame the Quad core, the heat I was getting from OC the quad core was almost uncontrollable with it hitting +80C in TAT under load, now it gets to 70-72C max. My pump is running at 50% with fan speed at 5/10 which is pretty quiet. Before the fuzion I had to put the fan at 7 and pump at 75% just to idle at 56C and max 67C in gaming. Now I get 52C idle and 61C load. The AS5 has not broken in yet but the numbers are still good and the cores are close to each other for temps.
Here is my setup by the way:
EVGA 8800 GTX-SLI setup, XFI Fatality, EVGA 680i MB, Intel QX6700, PCpowercooling 1kw-SR PSU, Liteon 18XDVD, 10k WD raptors, Corsair 9136 5C dominator ram. Corsair Dominator Fan cooler. Koolance P4 1026BK case, Dtek Fuzion CPU cooling block and two Danger Den 8800gtx cooling blocks.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5...ppedcpu9bx.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8...dboard11kp.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7867/boardbow6ez.jpg
Before lapping and Koolance water block
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3...shutfan9cq.jpg
After lapping and fuzion installed, three hours stable doing orthos, tat, prime
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4...ockidle2oc.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6...stalled3dx.jpg

any results yet?

daaaamn those are some good ass coretemps for the vcore and clock

Realy nice temps, i can't wait for mine, it's stuck in custom here in sweden i think or just the postal service is lazy:)

seems you got a nice upgrade then ;)

I got a tripple rad from a single and lowered temp with 8degress celsius.

and can now runt hem at 5v also for low temp/noise.
helps with surfing.

Good example of difference beteeen blocks.

My system has been running those settings for two weeks straight without one random boot or bsod. The only issues I had were the temps would get out of hand before the Fuzion and I would have to open windows or turn up the fan to cool the system down.

I wonder since the Fuzion only has a mild bowing in the base and caused the mother board to bow like in my picture if the Apogee GT with its bigger bowing of the base would cause the motherboard to bow drastically. This could lead to overheat issues and BSODs.

The convex base concept definitely works to cool the cpu down but lapping on the Quad core IHS is a must. My Quadcore was high on the sides, low going towards the middle then the middle was high and low. I looked at my prior block TIM distribution and it was horrible. There were places in the middle of the chip IHS that had fresh AS5 not touched then spots where it was.

Notice on my system pics I put a business card between the nvidia north bridge fan to deflect heat away from the CPU block and towards the exhaust fan. Cheap mod and works! the block holds the business card perfectly.

Interesting stuff...

What rad and pump are you using?

What cooling were you using before the Fuzion?

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Interesting stuff...

What rad and pump are you using?

What cooling were you using before the Fuzion?

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I have the this case which comes with the cooling radiator and the koolance 300 cpu block. http://www.koolance.com/shop/product...roducts_id=304

The pump is made by liang which Koolance integrates into their system. The radiator is integrated into the case and is cooled by 3 120mm fans. I think if I would have lapped the cpu in the beginning it would have been better but either way I am happy with the Fuzion performance.

Here is my idling temps after playing 3 hours of COD2 online. Simply amazing before I did this Fuzion install it used to idle at 54C in NV monitor and 59C-61C in TAT, after several hours of gaming. My 8800GTX SLI with dangerden blocks never go past 52C under load and idle at 47-48C.




http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5...ckidle15vb.jpg

Any thoughts about putting a back plate on the board to help with the flexing? Would that possibly cause temps to rise? By the way, what coolant are you using to get that blue color?

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any thoughts about putting a back plate on the board to help with the flexing? Would that possibly cause temps to rise?

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Absolutely it would help keep the board from flexing. I'm really shocked that Intel doesn't provide a backing plate with the HSF system. I'm used to AMD which includes a metal backing plate. Can you get backing plates for the intel mounting system somewhere?

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Absolutely it would help keep the board from flexing. I'm really shocked that Intel doesn't provide a backing plate with the HSF system. I'm used to AMD which includes a metal backing plate. Can you get backing plates for the intel mounting system somewhere?

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I would like to know this also. I think with cpu water blocks going convex on their bases now, a back plate should be a simple mod to keep the motherboard from bowing. The water block companies should make one when they sell these blocks. Im thinking of modifying a Zalman back plate and seeing how I can make it work, if the screw sizes are standard maybe I could thread a post through the zalman screw holes.

The backplate should come with the block if you ask me. Giving us four #6 machine screws is very ghetto. The brackets get hung up on the threads so you can't be sure if you have a decent mount. Its just Mickey Mouse. Even Zalman hands out backing plates with their crappy blocks. I supose you could make one with an old waterblock bracket and some standoffs. There just isn't a lot of room beind a motherboard to work with for nuts and stuff.

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Any thoughts about putting a back plate on the board to help with the flexing? Would that possibly cause temps to rise? By the way, what coolant are you using to get that blue color?

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The blue water color is a proprietory coolant mix from Koolance. It voids your warranty for the case if you use any other type of fluid. Since Koolance uses aluminum radiators this coolant stops Galvanic corrosion. You can buy it on their website 15 dollars. www.koolance.com. The fluid is very clear and blue.

http://www.koolance.com/shop/default.php?cPath=37_58

Crap Koolance just released their new CPU cooler with a back plate! Darn it.

http://www.koolance.com/shop/product...roducts_id=402

I have a 775 backplate from my Zalman 9500........I think I will use this to stop the bow effect.

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I have a 775 backplate from my Zalman 9500........I think I will use this to stop the bow effect.

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That would be the easiset choice for modding the Apogee GT and Dtek.

Let me know if the standoff posts fit into the zalman back plates if you get a chance. Im going to order the Koolance 330 cpu block and try it out with the back plate. Ill post results when I get them.

If Dtek or Switftech was smart they would make a back plate and include it into their cpu blocks this would give one company an edge over the other since both blocks seem to be performing neck and neck.

The Zalman backplate is plastic and has threaded inserts. The inserts are tiny. Probably metric but about 4-40 or smaller. You would need to drill it out to get it to work.

I was thinking of taking a Apoge mounting plate and gluing four plastic washers onto it.

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The Zalman backplate is plastic and has threaded inserts. The inserts are tiny. Probably metric but about 4-40 or smaller. You would need to drill it out to get it to work.

I was thinking of taking a Apoge mounting plate and gluing four plastic washers onto it.

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Take some pics for us

I think this Thermalright backing plate would work nicely with any block (the piece on the left)... $5 USD...

http://www.thermalright.com/a_images/lga775/1s.jpg

Link

It's rediculous that a $2-3 part like this is not included with a water block when your $300-400 motherboard is at stake. Even the guys at the Swiftech challenge broke a board during mounting... if they can do it, anyone can. (And they should know better!).

Zalman's will not fit... I tried... atleast without drilling it. Part of why I loved the DFI NF4 series was the stiff backplate, Hmmm... maybe the backplate off a Thermaltake BT would work...

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I think this Thermalright backing plate would work nicely with any block (the piece on the left)... $5 USD...

http://www.thermalright.com/a_images/lga775/1s.jpg

Link

It's rediculous that a $2-3 part like this is not included with a water block when your $300-400 motherboard is at stake. Even the guys at the Swiftech challenge broke a board during mounting... if they can do it, anyone can. (And they should know better!).

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Ill order it and let you know. I hope the screw mounting stud posts fit in those holes. Thanks for the link but I cant see where you can buy it can you buy it straight from them?.
Im telling you guys once you get whatever blocks you get either the apogee GT or the Fuzion make sure the board is not bowing like crazy. It literally did not take much to bow the board. My tension screws are barely turned two turns and the board is bowing. I know its got to be the convex shaped bases causing this. I also bet the temps will be better if the motherboard does not bow away from the cpu block so reinforcing it with a bracket would give better temps due to better contact.

Here is another one.
http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/m...htm#acc_lga775

Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835999351

NCIX:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=THERMALRIGHT

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daaaamn those are some good ass coretemps for the vcore and clock

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those are idle temps though load is what matters, what are your load temps...

I also have the Dtek Fuzion on my Kent and after TIM cure temps are much better than my storm, I am also idling very low

Hassan what is your ambient temperature mine is 78F at all times.

If I open my windows and let the room get to 72-75 degrees I will idle at 38C-43C and under load will never past 52C. At room temperature of 78F TAT will hit 72-75C where it used to hit +80C. Under normal load my system hits max 59-60C after three hours of COD2 online. My ACS5 has not cure yet its only been on there for 15 hours.

Also if I turn my fans up from 5/10 to 7/10 I get more noise but the idle temps are the same as yours with max load temp of 69-70C in TAT and 60C in normal load programs like games. I like my room at 78F and fans at 5/10 settings for quiet internet surfing. Before the fuzion even at Idle I had to run the fan at 7/10 which was loud and I still had to open the window once in a while during gaming to control the heat.

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Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835999351

NCIX:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=THERMALRIGHT

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Lucky me I found that Thermalright LG775-RM kit sitting brand new in my computer supply closet. The plate is made out of steel. I will have to make bigger holes for the Fuzion screw studs. Do you guys now what size drill bit I need to make it fit the Fuzion screw studs? I have a friend with a drill press and he will do it but I dont know the right screw hole size to drill it out. I can have this mod done by tommorrow with pics if you guys tell me the drill bit size to use.

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those are idle temps though load is what matters, what are your load temps...

I also have the Dtek Fuzion on my Kent and after TIM cure temps are much better than my storm, I am also idling very low

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What were your temps like on the Storm?

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Lucky me I found that Thermalright LG775-RM kit sitting brand new in my computer supply closet. The plate is made out of steel. I will have to make bigger holes for the Fuzion screw studs. Do you guys now what size drill bit I need to make it fit the Fuzion screw studs? I have a friend with a drill press and he will do it but I dont know the right screw hole size to drill it out. I can have this mod done by tommorrow with pics if you guys tell me the drill bit size to use.

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I'm not sure. Can't you just guess? How did you determine they need to be bigger?

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Hassan what is your ambient temperature mine is 78F at all times.

If I open my windows and let the room get to 72-75 degrees I will idle at 38C-43C and under load will never past 52C. At room temperature of 78F TAT will hit 72-75C where it used to hit +80C. Under normal load my system hits max 59-60C after three hours of COD2 online. My ACS5 has not cure yet its only been on there for 15 hours.

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I'm curious... those pics you showed above are at idle it seems, nothing is running, tat appears to be in monitor mode, and games don't utilize multiple cores, I'm just trying to baseline your load temps, like this is after 5mins of prime 95 ver 25.1

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What were your temps like on the Storm?

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Within 1 or 2 degrees higher at idle, and 4-6 degrees higher on load, that was with many different mounts on the storm and the dtek mounted 36 hours ago for the first time. All else remained, y line, ddc+ w/ petra's top, mcr320 w/ delta 1212M @ 7V, 7/16" tubing and distilled with Pentosin. AS5 applied the same way also. And the cpu was lapped under the storm and the Fuzion. I still love my storm, now it'll finds its way above an e6600 :)

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I'm not sure. Can't you just guess? How did you determine they need to be bigger?

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The screws that came with that kit are half the size in diameter as the screw studs on the Fuzion block. Never mind though I have a solution, the fuzion block came with two mounting plates, Ill use the AMD mounting plate holes as a template for the drill bit size I need. Ill do it tonight and drain my system for this install tomorrow and let you guys know.

Hassan the pic I took was after I installed the cpu I ran those tests to let the system settle in then idle temps were posted.

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Within 1 or 2 degrees higher at idle, and 4-6 degrees higher on load, that was with many different mounts on the storm and the dtek mounted 36 hours ago for the first time. All else remained, y line, ddc+ w/ petra's top, mcr320 w/ delta 1212M @ 7V, 7/16" tubing and distilled with Pentosin. AS5 applied the same way also. And the cpu was lapped under the storm and the Fuzion. I still love my storm, now it'll finds its way above an e6600 :)

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Hassan what is your ambient room temp that tells alot about your temps also when you installed the Fuzion did you notice the motherboard bowed like in my picture?

Yes my P5B bowed like crazy, I had to loosen the nuts, I do not understand why they placed the tension limiters in the springs, I could not even get close as my board was heavily bowed, so I loosened the nuts to a little bowing, just past the point the block would not twist side to side. They have very stiff springs.

I'm in the low 70's ambient, as a matter of fact, I kept my window cracked open when I had the storm, and I don't need to with the Dtek, also no more random reboots... It is very obvious to me that the storm is not a good block for cooling my kentsfield, but is second to none for my conroes.

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Hmmm... maybe the backplate off a Thermaltake BT would work...

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That's a great idea, but if I remember correctly, at least for my storm, the screws weren't long enough when I had the backplate on. Its simple to get new ones, probably worth it too.

If anyone could confirm this that would be great.

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That's a great idea, but if I remember correctly, at least for my storm, the screws weren't long enough when I had the backplate on. Its simple to get new ones, probably worth it too.

If anyone could confirm this that would be great.

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for swiftech stuff, it won't work unless the backplate is threaded itself to replace to nuts, but for Dtek there's plenty of room on their mounting hardware.

Hang in there guys I have the thermalright backing plate and I drilled the holes to match the studs from the fuzion. It should work. The thermalright plate is solid steel. I just got to check the resister around the cpu area underneath the board to see if they will be smashed by this back plate but it looks good so far. Ill post pics and results tommorrow. If my theory is right I think I will get not only a safer install using the thermalright plate but also better contact with the convex shaped block so better temps will follow. By the way the proper drill bit size is 9/64 inch.

yahoo! backplate mod is a success

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post1972879

Hey guys, note about TAT.

There is word going around that on a quadcore it only loads two cores.

Check task manager while running it.

yes it does only load 2 cores, that's why prime 25.1 or 4 instances of sp2004 is still best for kents

Great thread and information up to this point! Thanks all that are participating. Getting more information to make a decision on staying with my Storm Rev.2 on this FX-55 or going with one of these Fusion blocks. Very happy with the Storm at the moment, but always looking to run cooler under load.

Back plate is a success and allows more tension on the screws and no bowing of the motherboard.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...79#post1972379

I had the backplate already from when I purchased the Thermalright Ultra 120. The backplate that came with the U 120 has threaded nuts mounted in the backplate already. I just purchased some matching bolts and threaded them through from the bottom of the backplate and then bolted it to my Striker, works perfect.

If using this backplate setup with a block (which is a MUST!!) I can't understand why you would bother with the stupid tension springs, they're just crap. A hard mount is the only way to go without doubt. Only takes one or two turns of the wingnut once you have made contact with the blocks mounting plate and your done.

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I think this Thermalright backing plate would work nicely with any block (the piece on the left)... $5 USD...

http://www.thermalright.com/a_images/lga775/1s.jpg

Link

It's rediculous that a $2-3 part like this is not included with a water block when your $300-400 motherboard is at stake. Even the guys at the Swiftech challenge broke a board during mounting... if they can do it, anyone can. (And they should know better!).

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That's what I use :toast: :clap:

I wish the guys that knew about this mod would have posted before I installed my waterblock its a major pain to pulll the motherboard out twice I have to drain all the water out.

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Great thread and information up to this point! Thanks all that are participating. Getting more information to make a decision on staying with my Storm Rev.2 on this FX-55 or going with one of these Fusion blocks. Very happy with the Storm at the moment, but always looking to run cooler under load.

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with a single die processor I would still use an impingement style block, with the next series of single die quad cores whenever they come, my Storm will come off the shelf and replace the Fuzion

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I wish the guys that knew about this mod would have posted before I installed my waterblock its a major pain to pulll the motherboard out twice I have to drain all the water out.

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Yea. If quick connects didn't impede flow rates so much, I'd place them coming off my reservoir and coming off my rad. This way one wouldn't loose hardly any water and it wouldn't be such a pita to remove the mobo when needed.

I figured out how to mount water blocks on quad core better.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...48#post1973448

:banana:

Any definitive results as to which block is more restrictive, between the Fuzion and Apogee GT?

The FuZion is by far less restrictive. Gabe (Swiftech Prez) himself said to Danny (D-tek Owner) at the Swiftech challenge that he couldn't believe how the FuZion flows.

Alrighty, thank you :)

Ok here are the new temps with the fuzion block mounted correctly, back plate install and lapping the cpu. Ambient temp is 25C. Water pump is 50% and fans are set on 5/10. Notice how the temps are so even. If you want me to open my windows and post those screen shots I can, the ambient temp will be at 23C you will see my system idle at 37c and load at 48C

IDLE and LOAD PICS

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7835/idle77fym1.png

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8...munbersyy1.jpg

Those are awesome temps.. how long were your running Orthos before taking that screen cap?

Cheers!

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Those are awesome temps.. how long were your running Orthos before taking that screen cap?

Cheers!

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Three hours I took several screens after an hour and several after three hours they all say the same temps 61C-62C max. I thought I shut off prime 95 the first hour but it was reduced in the system tray by the clock and was running for three hours while I was surfing the internet. I checked my temps and they were still 61-62 all cores and that freaked me out so I looked down and the prime 95 was still running in the background.

An extremely interesting block... where the Apogee GT is a direct iteratory evolution of the old swifty 5k series, this looks like a vastly improved swifty 6k series, at least on paper.

If I get a C2D I'll give one a go, methinx.

I'm glad I happened across this thread today as I was about to order a new WB for a conroe build I am ordering for. SVC has the Apogee Gt for $10 off this weekend (OC cyberdeals), so I ordered a Thermaltake backplate in the same order. I wouldn't have know to do this had it not been mentioned in this thread!

Just make sure to use a 9/64 drill bit to make the holes bigger for the screw studs that come with the Dtek Fuzion.

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Just make sure to use a 9/64 drill bit to make the holes bigger for the screw studs that come with the Dtek Fuzion.

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Is it possible to use the studs from mp-05? because i changed m-b just this friday and i don't want to rebuild that again(lazy) ;)

same studs can be used with Fuzion and MP-05.... I have both blocks. The Fuzion just has different springs and inserts that go inside them.

Well, I went back and forth between the FuZion and the Apogee GT. I bought two FuZion blocks and one Apogee GT. I spent two weeks mounting and remounting. I must have remounted blocks at least 20 times on my poor cpu. In the end, the Larger O-ring with the Apogee GT worked best on my Kenstfield. So, for my cpu, I must award the prize to the Apogee GT. I intend to use the FuZions on other cpus.

And block restriction has little correlation to ultimate performance. Otherwise, the Storm would be a horrible block, but its one of the or the greatest design ever.

Nice Post, I have same setup as you except I am using Koolance new 330 Block adn 8800gtx block (only have 1 8800gtx) here are my question

1. your tubing looks bigger then 3/8 is it if so how did u do that?

2. how long did it take to lap your cpu? I lapping mine with 1200 and its still has some scratches

3. are you stressing all 4 cpu at 100% to get those temp? I get like 72c on all 4 running 3466 at 1.52 volts

4. is the Fuzion really worth getting?

Thanks sorry all the questions

nice temps

by changing from a Storm to a Fuzion i dropped around 2-3C in CPU temps and my delta went from around 10C on my GPU to 4C. The extra flow sure is nice :)

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Thanks to the forums I was able to lap my QX6700 using 120,320,400,600,800,1000,1200 somewhere after 800 I lost three finger nails and four of my finger tips lost enough skin to start bleeding. However the smile I saw in my reflection made it worth it. starting out lapping the cpu I noticed it was as wavy as a ruffles potato chip, its no wonder my prior heat sink the Koolance 305 water block had no chance of cooling it.
During the Fuzion block install, I noticed that the Fuzion block would bow the motherboard with only 5 full turns of the nuts on each post, it really does not take much force to bow the motherboard with their springs. The bowing caused the heat sinks to seperate away from the little voltage regulator chips surrounding cpu. I wonder if the Swiftech Challange guys on the first night did this same thing and caused the board to overheat. Now I dont know if the bowing of the Fuzion base which is convex caused the bowing of the motherboard or the actual spring tension on the mounts did this. Either way I backed off the tension of the screws to three full turns on each nut but it didnt really help that much. The cheap thermal paste on those heat sinks were a pink brittle glue material, I took it off and put AS5 on them but the bowing didnt allow for good contact. Here are some screen shots of before and after fuzion with lapping. My computer room is a constant 78F at all times year round. I really am pleased with the results the Fuzion helped tame the Quad core, the heat I was getting from OC the quad core was almost uncontrollable with it hitting +80C in TAT under load, now it gets to 70-72C max. My pump is running at 50% with fan speed at 5/10 which is pretty quiet. Before the fuzion I had to put the fan at 7 and pump at 75% just to idle at 56C and max 67C in gaming. Now I get 52C idle and 61C load. The AS5 has not broken in yet but the numbers are still good and the cores are close to each other for temps.
Here is my setup by the way:
EVGA 8800 GTX-SLI setup, XFI Fatality, EVGA 680i MB, Intel QX6700, PCpowercooling 1kw-SR PSU, Liteon 18XDVD, 10k WD raptors, Corsair 9136 5C dominator ram. Corsair Dominator Fan cooler. Koolance P4 1026BK case, Dtek Fuzion CPU cooling block and two Danger Den 8800gtx cooling blocks.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5...ppedcpu9bx.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8...dboard11kp.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7867/boardbow6ez.jpg
Before lapping and Koolance water block
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3...shutfan9cq.jpg
After lapping and fuzion installed, three hours stable doing orthos, tat, prime
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4...ockidle2oc.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6...stalled3dx.jpg

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hate to derail slightly, but whats the name of that active ram cooling setup ya got goin on there? =)

Thats the corsair dominator ram fans. If you want it for asthetics, the OCZ XTC mem cooler is better, nice blue LEDs, and just 2 bigger fans.

Newegg sells those corsair fans for 20 bucks.

Very silent and effective.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835704001

Oh come on just take 2 80mm enermax fans and use epoxy!