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Anyone willing to give it a shot? :hsugh:
eww 2x512
oh thats lame balls crap.
But 2x 128 KB L1 cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
THAT has much more effect than the 512 versus 1024 KB L2 cache, which is basically useless.
I dunno, there was mixed feelings about it on the two reviews i seen on anandtech....
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2889
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2893
Awating someone here to post about em :)
I really want a 4000+ otherwise I might pick one up.
Where do you see 2x128KB L1 cache? K8 has always been 64KB I-cache, 64KB D-cache per CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
64KB instruction + 64KB data = 128KB of L1
You get an independent L1 per core so it's 2x128KB per dual-core CPU.
anyone want a 4600+ ? trying to get rid of mine.. lol, I went ahead and got the 5200 when it went on sale
I will be getting few x2 4000+ and 4400+ when they will be available in UK!
Hopefully next week...
I have air and water coolers so I hope to achive some good OC (only rubbish AM2 integrated motherboards :p: ).
hes got Intel fever..... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
"Theres not 20 MB of cache! It has to suck!"
~Mike
If these were for socket 939 I would've considered one :)
Under the specs tab, "L1 Cache 128KB+128KB"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Quote:
Originally Posted by granulf
I wouldnt have gone C2D! I liked my SLI-DR :slap: damn AM2..
Oh.
Sorry guys I wasn't thinking.
It's the same old, the 2x 128 on the specs indeed mean "128 per core", not "128 data plus 128 code".
I won't buy one. Why? Because I have tons of DDR RAM and no DDR2 RAM not in use. Maybe they give us a 939 part soon.
The same with me. I have around 9 DDR 512 ram sticks unused. I've been looking for inexpensive S939 dual cores but it hasn't been easy for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
And I like my DFI expert :eleph:Quote:
Originally Posted by wangerin
opty 165 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by alucasa
why would Newegg only sell that in a combo? whats up with that...seriously.
Those cost 200 CAD over here. For that price, I'd get something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by breakfromyou
A 3600+ X2 is only 3% slower then a 3800+ X2 but you can find them cheaper on another place. The eggman isn't the only store on the face of the world.
Update
Well... they updates the specs some time... so there are 2 ver's of the 3600+ one on 90nm runs at 2ghz with 256x2 of L2 and the 65nm runs at 1.9ghz with 2x512 L2.
Actually thats a very nice combo for clocking.
soo......anybody get one yet
jeah i wanna know how these babies overclock. some one.............Quote:
Originally Posted by buff
I saw the same thing here in Holland. A web-shop had a x2 4000+ with 2c512kb cache and 2.1GHz clockspeed. I ordered 1 last week when it had a 14 days delivery time on it. So i hope i'll get it sometime this week. I'll inform you guys when i get it! :)
im buying one tommorow
I personally don't think these early 65nm's are producing worthy enough gains. I havent really seen any tests with water or better, but air to a max of 3050 is what I have seen. That was with fairly mild voltages though so I guess lets get someone to spring for one and check out the results.
Hmmm... if I could sell my 3800 I'd give this a shot ;) hint hint
Has anyone tested one of these out in comparison to the Core 2 Duo? I was reading anandtech's article about these and according to what i read these things are crap compared to core 2 duo still, but the model seems to be different on new egg compared to what anandtech listed, they are listing it as Athlon 64 X2 3600+ and i believe anandtech said they were gona be sold as the 4600+ 4800+ and 5000+, also is the L1 cache different from what anandtech reviewed? New egg shows L1 Cache 128KB+128KB and heres anandtech's cpuz report
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2893
new egg is sellin these cores for 115 bucks so id really like to see if they perform comparable to a core 2 duo or if it is just worth it to wait till q2 for the E4300 to come down to around 130 bucks.
same thing sold at a different speed. it's still K8 regardless, so performance difference from what any other X2 would do at the same speed is minimal at most ;)
but compared to the c2duo, how is it, is it worth the 115 or wait for the E4300 or E6300 to come down in price a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
i just grabbed one from chiefvlaue, should be here in 3-4 days
Just wondering if anyone has tried this pin mod. Is it necessary though, considering available bios options?
http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?htt...m2_pinmod.html
There is one of the first OC results for the x2 3600+ 65nm.
They did 1,9@3,1GHz on stock cooling.
http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...ticle&sid=7132
Is there a need to update BIOS on AM2 boards in order to run these things. $115 seems to be a very tempting deal.
well I don't think this will win any hearts or minds but it sure is cool running chip
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...step2/cool.jpg
pfft, turn up the voltage a bit :D
this is a 24/7 dedicated cruncher with stock cooler and drawing under 90w (total for the system from the wall)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
That is an awesome bang/$ nn_step.Great OC and cool temps.
How much did it cost?(i assume it costs as the egg advertised :D )
I got it from chiefvalue for just $116.49 shippedQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
ha, fine. at least you got 2.9ghz with 1.3v :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Stock cooling.. 19c load.
do you live in an igloo? :toast: nice OC! . These things look really good so far.
nope, ambient is 15C (or 60F depending how you look at it)Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
both CPUs running WCG full load :D
That's crazy.
gotta be something wrong with core temp's interpretation.
Seems similar to the readings that of the guy who briefly tested the 5000+ back in dec.
I'll use a thermal probe, I'll report back in 5 minsQuote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
edit:
Yep it is 18C measured on the side of the IHS.
Lol, just ordered one from ChiefValue. I'm totally geeked just thinking about it...
Ply
There has to be something wrong with this, the delta just isnt right for full load, if this is true Giving this biach 1.6 or 1.7 would get you around what everyone else is getting @ stock on 90nmQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
My 3800 loads @ 65 with 1.3 @ 2.4 :( dual WCG....
But it does show Gr8 overclockability for 65nm
Lets give it like 1.5 or 1.6 and see what she does NN
I'll try tomorrow morning. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Philosophy
So no one has an answer to this? Do current BIOS support 65nm chips?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
I just installed the latest Bios from MSI and it ran right of the boxQuote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
Thanks;Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I will receive this board in a few days:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128020
for my backup and storage system. I was planning on just putting an old single core chip in there. But now, the 65nm chips' prices are so low, I might be changing my mind.
So what do you think are the chances of getting a brisbane in there and booting up?
probably pretty good, though isn't that board an overkill for personal backup and storage?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
Well, I guess it can be a little overkill; but I'm getting it as part of a trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
And the storage I'm refering to is going to be pretty hefty, probably with two SCSI controllers (PCI, speed is not paramout with these), one with RAID5, and possibly another PCIe SATA controller.
umm you do realize that SATA storage is a good deal cheaper than SCSI right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
And since it is just backup and speed isn't the highest requirement (since you be limited by Ethernet speeds) you could get away with EL Cheapo software raid
Yeah, I realize that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
But I guess for me, good reliablity of the RAID controller would be important in handling certain critical data that I need to make sure to keep; I may need to run RAID with some hot spares. And dual Gbit ethernet definitely helps too.
so, where's the results?
what exactly type of results are you looking for?Quote:
Originally Posted by flclisgreat
He said tomorrow, I wanna see this thing @ like 3.2 on air.. possibly more..
I want to see 3.4 on water & 1.5v haha
Soooo, are they coldbugged? ;)
NN_Step I would like to see results from Cinebench x64, WinRAR compression, PCMark5 and if you have time then pls try to boot OS @1.9GHz/0.9V ;) (CPU-Z screen would be awesome).
Fastest SuperPi 1M & 32M run please.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Super PI is kinda useless "benchmark".We need Cinebench x64 and Winrar.Also what MSI mobo is nn using with this baby?Quote:
Originally Posted by oicurafox2000
For "you" perhaps its worthless,but its what I'm interested in,so thanks for your opinion,but its just that "your opinion".Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
i want to see 4 ghz with dry ice or LN:DQuote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Well i meant it means almost nothing to the real world perf. Don't get upset:),i'm sure nn will post SPi results.We know how K8 performs in this synthetic test by now.It may be interesting to see the effect of L2 added latency of 2 cycles (compared to WIndsor).It might affect the results in Spi in 1-3% range.Quote:
Originally Posted by oicurafox2000
Thus far only 3.05Ghz with 1.5v, I'm gonna up it to 1.65v and see what it doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
Do you have any sophisticated cooling like water/fridge/winter outside your room?? ;)
http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...tid=282&page=2
3600+ @ 3.1ghz stock cooling. not bad :) :)
nope but I have 8C ambient or -18C ambient outside ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
No, but he has a starcruiser that he can hop in when he wants. He'll just have to fly to the ice planet Hoth and bench there with the beasties...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
:rolleyes:
I expected better OC results. :(
Mine does 2.85ghz (300x9.5) on 1.35v. I havent tried higher because my BIOS is having temp issues, says its at 60c (its obviously not, HSF Is cool to touch) so I dont wanna hurt my little cpu just yet.
Right now im running 290x9.5 @ 1.325v 24/7
As long as dual mprime runs stable you can't damage the CPU. It is unstable from heat much earlier than it breaks from heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillusion
Just watch mprime and tune the box down when mprime complains or crashes.
more available. up to the 4800+
Not bad at all. By the way, are you using stock cooling and have you tried reseating? :hm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillusion
Hey all,
Doing a quick and dirty with this 3600 Brisbane. Currently running 3ghz exactly. Amd been slacking on the ihs though. Not flat at all, looks like a tub of opened cottage cheese. Well, not that bad but you get the point. Going to do some serious lapping of this dude, just have to find the time. Between playing with this cpu and Vista, and long work hours, got no time left.
And definitely need a accurate temp program. Coretemp don't work in Vista and has wrong temps in XP anyway...
Ply
Okay one image real quick:
http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/932...9685156_rs.jpg
This is all ran under Vista 32bit. The o6mark is 400 points lower than XP was using my 3800 clocked at 2.8ghz. SuperPi stayed the same under both os's.
I have to say, so far not a bad cpu for under $120.:D Beats my 3800 x2 and I paid $170 for it. Also it runs MUCH cooler than the Windsor core. I can't say how much since no accurate temp proggies yet. But the air coming out of my little 80mm rads feels cooler, just slightly warmer than ambient. With Windsor under load it felt like somebodies hot breathe on your hand. So I think Amd has something going here for the low power crowd to.
All testing is being done on a matx SFF system. Check my sig for details...
Ply
how does it compare to the core 2 duo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plywood99
Is the Vcore reading on cpuz correct? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plywood99
actually the Vcore reading in CPUz is actually high ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by davidletterboyz
Wow, 3ghz on 1.3V is amazing :D . It's actually getting closer and closer to C2D it seems!?
so if i run my 90nm sempron at 90c and it's prime stable, i'm not damaging it? :wth:Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
Life span will be greatly reduced for sure. 90c is too much IMO, even for a poor sempron :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
he probably forgot about electron migration or figured it wasn't a significant factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Or maybe it's impossible to have a sempron prime stable at 90c, and that was the point he was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Are these results prime stable at 3Ghz, if so here comes another twist and turn when it comes time to upgrade. :toast:
i can do it, i promise you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
mine is 24/7 WCG stable and that is even harder on the system ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZhaoYun
Don't want to sound like a noob or anything but what is WCG?
AND, Do you think I would be better off going with the 4800 Brisbane or the 5600 I have on the way?
depends on your skill and williness to play the odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by M411b
If you have skill and are willing to take a risk, the 3600+ is the best pick
OK, good answer.
But still what is WCG?
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=207Quote:
Originally Posted by M411b
It will not run dual mprime stable up to 90 C. So if you follow my posting and only up frequency and voltage as long as you are mpriming away you are safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
thanks for taking the plunge.. Great cost-performance ratio.
Personally I'm going to wait for a 65nm opty with a non funky multi and 2x1 mb l2.
VERY nice lap job, btw.
@Plywood99 Are you going to put this CPU on Phase or DryIce?
Awesome clocks! (as for x2 3600+) :woot:
PS. What week of production and rest of info from IHS?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Yeah, DryIce is definite possibility. Just have to find the time for it. Hoping this weekend, but SuperBowl and other duties may take precedent. :p:
Here is a pic of Brisbane info. Note in the pic you can see the shoddy quality of flatness on the ihs:
http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/855...7756502_rs.jpg
Here is after a little lap action::D
http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/836...3297201_rs.jpg
Hopefully I'll have time to finish my new dice pot Saturday. She wont be pretty but will get the job done. Still have to prep the mobo also. On a side note, The CpuZ shot does indeed show the wrong voltage. Actual is 1.5v but have not yet tried to see how much I actually need for 3ghz. Might need less, or maybe 1.5 just happened to work. Wanted to work on lapping the ihs first.Still I AM NOT complaining. Gotta love a dirt cheap cpu doing 3ghz...
Ply
3ghz@1.5V is still very nice :) . I assume these cpus are soldered as well, leaving you with limited options to pop the lid?
Well I ordered me a 4800 Brisbane so we will see how far it will go.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step