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Hey I want a server / Lan rig in a mATX case, but my problem is that i need a kind of a great MB. I´ve looked at asrock ConRoe945G-DVI, but the features of FSB and vdimm etc. is very limited. Maybe the Gigabyte GA-945GM-DS2 is the best choice? Any nice oc features on that Gigabyte MB?
I will have to put my Crucial Ballistix PC5300 in the rig, so about 2-2,1 is nearly minimum voltage for the mems to run well.
i want the best mATX MB for C2D for the moment..
Any sugesstions?
Thx
you will not get any better than 350 FSB with even the best mATX mobo for Conroe
350FSB is okay... 333FSB is my goal, about 3Ghz on E6600. I just need a little oc, because the cpu cooler will run very slow
which MB can make those high FSBs on mATX..
Maybe some Asus? A bit confused right now
then I suggest the Biostar P4M890-M7
The best mATX chipset for the moment is the "old" 945G!
Indeed, it can handle 333-350 fsb with a bump of the pcie@112-120.
Asusboards are the only one that can do this!
Even the new 965g is below, this chipset hit a wall around fsb 320 (pcie@120).
you'll be lucky to hit 350, don't assume a few lucky people is indicative of the norm. for this board.
if you want to get it, its probably going to be 50 bucks well spent.
but don't say i didn't warn you.
the flaky clocking (not everyone is able to hit 330 or higher), isn't the only issue with this board.
but sadly there are no other alternatives that are any better, in fact they are just as bad or more so worse.
i suppose i would spend the 50 bucks and if i hit 300mhz i could honestly say i got my 50 bucks worth.
what i would be worried about is getting ram that can work with its limited voltages.
i dont recall what was the max vdimm?
the abit IP95 has actually had some really good success overclocking.
maybe look into that one, its only 60 bucks.
i am gunna think a bit more about getting it.
kk I´ll check that MB out. Any people who knows anything about Gigabytes DS2?
Which asus can do that? LinkyQuote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
No oc on Gigabyte S2 945G chipset http://www.pcstats.com/ArtVNL.cfm?articleid=2011&page=5 disapointing
this abit seems very good. I´ll buy this one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...-120-AB&tool=3
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Originally Posted by hot_fifty
there is no asus that can do that, infact there are maybe 1 or two boards that can actually go over 300 with any type of stability.
I'd go for the abit IP-95, personally.
Not true. I have seen ASUS P5LD2-VM SE be running 333FSB stable, but with raised PCI-E Freq Bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Hmm it is hard to find the best I see. The biostar seems good but has only 2 x DDR2. The Abit, which is the greatest oc, has not sata2 support and only 2 x sata.. hmm
i got the ASUS P5LD2-VM DH. Seems great
:nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I own 2 matx asus boards!
P5LD2 VM SE & P5LD2 VM DH(rev2.0)
Both can handle 350 FSB without hiccup pcie@120 (no sata nore onboard sound/NIC issues)
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6821/350bl3.jpg
These 2 boards only need pcie@112 to reach fsb 333...
http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/2707/333ab3.jpg
is the 2 MBs the same at oc?
while P5LD2VM DH has more bios tweak (vMCH, vDIMM), YES!
Both MB have the same overclocking capabilities!
kk. But I dont need raid so the non-DH would benefit, right?
the P5LD2 VM rev2.0 has the same chipset & performs as well ;)
(I know someone who runs this MB fsb@353)
but does it have RAID. I guess no
Yes it has raid but no Vii technology
nice I´ll go for VM non DH then.. Thanks m8
the P5LD2VM SE oces well too, right?
120mhz pci-e is just asking to hurt something.
you rarely ever see even the highest clockers use that high of a pci-e.
and you running 350mhz is not normal, any type of research into those two baords will show you exactly that.
these boards are hit and miss, like i said dont think a few peoples stellar results are indicative of the norm for these boards.
and considering the price of those two boards. (or what i saw them at last) it would be nutty to pay that much when you can get a much better atx board for the same price. i know your going for matx but be very mindful of the boards and do your research, please, dont just sit here with 1 guy saying he cna hit 350mhz at a very dangerous pci-e freq. look around the other forums you will see tons of people saying the sound dies and the NIC dies at 300 and above, oh and the sata dies also.
higher pci-e usually takes care of some of that as he said but 120mhz pci-e is just way too high.
you'll also want to be watching that SB temp as thats whats being overclocked when you raise the pci-e bus that high, not the NB, the SB.
its up to you all i am doing is speaking from my own research as i have been watching these boards and none of them with the exception of a few have done anything spectacular.
Abit has a new board coming out, and DFI has theirs in their Roadmap, but neither board is anywhere to be found, so, think hard and do the research.
word of warning with the asus boards, as already mentioned. Around 310-320, nic gets flaky and dies out. I suffered the loss of my buddy list because of irratic nic. Sound goes out around 330. Sata around 350-360.Quote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
I did get the system to work at 400fsb, but since no drive, all I could do was memtest. Also, word of warning: don't do 400fsb with integrated graphics ;)
In your case, its quite normal you loose NIC @310-320 because if it 's the P5L MX, there is no PCI lock in bios options like the P5LD2 VM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
I experienced not the weird issue PCIE@112 & FSB@333 which is my daily use!
No nic, sound nore sata problems as i mentionned earlier! although not perfect, the pci lock is better on P5LD2 VM than on the P5L MX!
whoa, bravo. you must have searched a thread i posted in or remembered?? Hmm, I could have sworn someone else had the p5ld2 and said they had to buy a nic still. Your rig is definitely a great testimony thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
supposedly Abit's already exsisting intel 945 board does 350 easy without any issues.
what is that the IL9 or something like that ?ok here is is
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813127017
via chipset, not the greatest, but i frequently talk with the guy who runs the mATX thread over at H and hes recommending this board until abit brings out their bad boy.
Even 945P MB from asus handle 350 fsb easily but that's no matx boards as the IL9 from abit!
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Originally Posted by pvhk
yeah teh matx boards are a different animal cuz of the onboard video. it changes everything, and why they never put a locking pci-e is beyond me.
they know full well if its a conroe board we overclockers are gunna buy it
they need to get with the program as they are missing out on a huge market of consumers who want a viable overclocking mATX board. without the stupid video.
Yes, totally agree with you! the culprid is this satanous IGP which interferes with the overclocking abilities!
Being bored and not having built anything new in months, I happened to read this post of yours and thought there was some merit to it. I have another mATX case that had never been used so I bought the Abit mb and put a 6400 in it. What a waste of time. The chip set is only single channel memory for starters. The vcore is only 1.3v and the max on memory is 1.95v. 533 is max speed for memory. OC options are very sparse. This board is the same as the ECS board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
This is not even a good cheap stock board as far as I can tell. Guy at H need to check into what he recommends.:slap:
Anyone who thinks they can make this mb fly, pm me and I will make you a good deal.;)
the max fsb of the Ip95 is 355 in bios, right?
but you cannot raised it above 300-310?
You are never going to hit 355 but that does not matter. Single channel memory makes it a loser from the start. The chip set will never support dual channel. Whoever even thought this was a board for oc'ers was not an oc'er.
When I was into AMD no one would have said get a 754 mb when 939was out.
Also, Abit does not do anything for the mb's that cost hundreds of dollars when it comes to bios updates, do you think they are ever going to do anything for a cheap mb not even taking the sc problem into account?